Thanks Bud!! Cost!! It would have taken over 20 tubes of grease at about $5 a tube!! The waste oil was free!! And the oil is alot easier to clean up and dispose of!!☺
I guess you don't have a buddy with a back hoe or some such piece of hydraulic equipment that has a 'wet line' on it ? Hook that up and slowly, very slowly, apply the hydraulic power to that and see if that moves the piston. This line would have somewhere in the region of 1500 to 1800 PSI , What do you think of this ? That pumpkin in the tree is something I have never seen before, that too, is interesting in itself.
This 'wet line' attachment can be on almost any hydraulic powered equipment, even a mini excavator,...is there a rental shop around you. If so ask them if they have a mini excavator with a wet line . Then see if the cost is worth the try . Good luck .
It's weird how the oil is dripping from inside the piston, I'm wondering if there are through holes under the piston rings or if there's a cracked piston.
Just a suggestion - you can use a pressure washer pump to pressurize and remove that piston. The pressure wash pump will make over 1000 PSI. It will push water into the cylinder and force the piston out. Most home shops have a pressure washer, so that is usually an easily available source of high pressure fluid that is at fairly high volume. Glad you're getting it moving! That blind cylinder "headless" design is a real pain when the piston is stuck!
Do you suppose that if you took the crank and flywheels back off and put the rod back together, then stood the engine up with the rod in the air. Hook onto the rod with the engine hoist and lift carefully while heating the cylinder and applying penetrating oil around the skirt it would come apart?
You're on to something: Allowing the weight of the engine to supply force on that piston. Some taps could be added. From the beginning, another course might to use a hammer-drill on the upturned cylinder.....with heat and penetrating oil. Of course the drill's bit would be cushioned by a plate on top of the cylinder.... The jarring action is important is breaking the hold of rust....!!!
Although I've seen lots of pumpkins, I've never really thought about how they actually grow. You've inspired me to check out some time-lapse pumpkin vids :D Didn't know Lamborghini did push bikes :) I'm sure you'll get the piston out eventually.
Had a similar problem years ago, We filled it with oil, and then used a grease gun. We had a pressure gauge on it and we were able to build up over 2000 lbs with a regular grease gun. I made up all the fittings and it got the job done.
Should have used grease. And a pneumatic grease gun. (Pack it with a bunch of grease on top of the oil, or if the oil starts coming out again, ALL grease. Can take up some of the volume with chunks of whatever solids you want that will fit down there.
Fantastic! I love that moment when stuff just starts to break free. I was just thinking hook a log splitter or other hydro unit to it but the porta power is probably better with the slow and steady.
I hate it when you you try try to wiggle it in and out and don't get a happy ending! Good luck John, playing with it tomorrow. it's gonna make a mess, when it finally comes, out!!!!
Put a 2x4 through the spokes on the flywheels towards the water hopper side and lift the engine up until the back is off the ground a few inches and it sit over night. The weight of the engine pulling on it might pull the piston back further. I didn't see if you guys put the caps back onto the crankshaft.
Like the pumpkin tree as well that was neat to know. I would think if you kept the wheel jacked up with the eng. hoist the tension might just do it with a bit of heat to the cylinder. or it might just pop out over night just jacked up . Any way cool stuff to me thumbs up!
heres an idea, a biek for 2 but it has a 2 stroke engine in it so its a powered bike, but it has 2 50cc 2 stroke engines, the carbs would have to be synced and all that... but that would be perty awesome
I know this is old now but you would not be able to move it with the flywheels while you had the plate on the side, it needs to allow air in or out the let the piston move.
I thought you had it for sure. I knew exactly what you meant between stuck and seized up as soon as you said it, too. Thanks Roadking, this is turning out to be a lot of fun to watch.
That's great! A bug hurdle out of the way! I knew it would move, eventually! I've never worked on a motor that big, not with a single cylinder anyway.. But I have seen and loosened some pretty well rusted up gear.. With the right treatment and enough time, even the most solidly rusted up parts will move.
wouldt you want to dump the oil off the top side of the piston before you rock the crank? probably won't rock very well hydrolocked. looked like the plate and fitting were still on there.
ha... ok sorry... maybe with a little heat at the same time or have you considered using a pressure washer instead of the porta power? Water is a lot cheaper than oil... works just as good.. Good luck Buddy..
Hi guys nice to see you get it to move, Whats wrong with Dirtbike don't he trust you to borrow his stuff without adult supervision L.O.L. I kinda hope that piston and cylinder hasn't picked up and scored, when it cooled making it go tighter again with the burrs grabbing. My Buddy did that with a 2 1/2 " pin on an excavator cylinder without cooling it first. He proceeded to beat on it harder with a huge piece of steel rod as a punch, mushrooming the pin even tighter before i got the" Help me I'm stuck with this!" call. That turned into a real F'er of a job and more than one choice word in a few sentences trying to get it back out the other way with a 14lb hammer, heating / cooling to break the rust then adding penetrating oil to. When the pin was finally out you could really see the score/burr marks where it picked up. If he had heated and cooled with water,even a few times first, it would of come out in half the time and with less effort. Good luck and I'm looking forward to the next installment.
I think a 1/4" hard rubber gasket between the head and plate would've worked out better, it would conform with the warped surface and imperfections
good progress cant wait to see it up and running
Thanks Bud!!☺
The thing you gotta wonder is why do guys like us enjoy watching something get forced out of such a tight hole ? 😜
give those crank surfaces a courtesy emory cloth or something
Nice progress. What made you choose the portapower over the grease zerk?
Thanks Bud!! Cost!! It would have taken over 20 tubes of grease at about $5 a tube!! The waste oil was free!! And the oil is alot easier to clean up and dispose of!!☺
I guess you don't have a buddy with a back hoe or some such piece of hydraulic equipment that has a 'wet line' on it ? Hook that up and slowly, very slowly, apply the hydraulic power to that and see if that moves the piston. This line would have somewhere in the region of 1500 to 1800 PSI , What do you think of this ?
That pumpkin in the tree is something I have never seen before, that too, is interesting in itself.
This 'wet line' attachment can be on almost any hydraulic powered equipment, even a mini excavator,...is there a rental shop around you. If so ask them if they have a mini excavator with a wet line . Then see if the cost is worth the try .
Good luck .
Moving along. Last one I did, I filled it full of grease first, then switched to the porta-power. I had a headless Witte many years ago.
Thanks Bud!!☺
haha.. a pumpkin tree! pretty cool mannnnnn
I wanted to see how big it got before it fell, I think it's done growing though!!☺
good idea , but be carefull boy with that kinda pressure that piston could come outa there like a rocket
maybe make up a quick jig to hook the porta power on to the rod to pull it out by the big-end of the rod?
It's weird how the oil is dripping from inside the piston, I'm wondering if there are through holes under the piston rings or if there's a cracked piston.
Its probably just coming in around the connecting rod.
JimsEquipmentShed how?
Green Silver yeah
hay its jack an the beanstalk ..dont climb that tree roadking
Just a suggestion - you can use a pressure washer pump to pressurize and remove that piston. The pressure wash pump will make over 1000 PSI. It will push water into the cylinder and force the piston out. Most home shops have a pressure washer, so that is usually an easily available source of high pressure fluid that is at fairly high volume.
Glad you're getting it moving! That blind cylinder "headless" design is a real pain when the piston is stuck!
My grandma's butternut squash like to grow up into her pines like that as well.
Do you suppose that if you took the crank and flywheels back off and put the rod back together, then stood the engine up with the rod in the air. Hook onto the rod with the engine hoist and lift carefully while heating the cylinder and applying penetrating oil around the skirt it would come apart?
You're on to something: Allowing the weight of the engine to supply force on that piston. Some taps could be added. From the beginning, another course might to use a hammer-drill on the upturned cylinder.....with heat and penetrating oil. Of course the drill's bit would be cushioned by a plate on top of the cylinder....
The jarring action is important is breaking the hold of rust....!!!
Although I've seen lots of pumpkins, I've never really thought about how they actually grow. You've inspired me to check out some time-lapse pumpkin vids :D Didn't know Lamborghini did push bikes :) I'm sure you'll get the piston out eventually.
That's fhe first pumpkin I've ever seen climb a tree!!☺
Well I'd say that's great progress, well done. Bit more time and you'll have it out.
Thanks Mate!!☺
Dang, that restored mower is shiny! Tree-pumpkin is a good size for fall decoration! XD
Have to braze and face that sealing area later, eh?
Had a similar problem years ago, We filled it with oil, and then used a grease gun. We had a pressure gauge on it and we were able to build up over 2000 lbs with a regular grease gun. I made up all the fittings and it got the job done.
Slowly but surely. Good team work and progress.
Thanks Bud!!☺
That pumpkin up the tree is unusual for sure...The signs are looking good for a piston release..Good stuff RK.
Thanks Zig!! Yeah we ran outta time, but at least we know it'll come out now!!☺
Piaggio = Vespa
I had so much hope at the start of he video that it was gunna be outta there, maybe next time ☺️
We ran outta time!!☺
That was totally cool. I should be out in the shop but had to watch all of this one. Great work!!!!!
Thanks alot Bruce!!☺
Slide hammer?
Should have used grease. And a pneumatic grease gun.
(Pack it with a bunch of grease on top of the oil, or if the oil starts coming out again, ALL grease. Can take up some of the volume with chunks of whatever solids you want that will fit down there.
Fantastic! I love that moment when stuff just starts to break free. I was just thinking hook a log splitter or other hydro unit to it but the porta power is probably better with the slow and steady.
Yeah Buddy!! We can only use what we have handy!!☺
I hate it when you you try try to wiggle it in and out and don't get a happy ending! Good luck John, playing with it tomorrow. it's gonna make a mess, when it finally comes, out!!!!
Put a 2x4 through the spokes on the flywheels towards the water hopper side and lift the engine up until the back is off the ground a few inches and it sit over night. The weight of the engine pulling on it might pull the piston back further. I didn't see if you guys put the caps back onto the crankshaft.
Like the pumpkin tree as well that was neat to know.
I would think if you kept the wheel jacked up with the eng. hoist the tension might just do it with a bit of heat to the cylinder. or it might just pop out over night just jacked up .
Any way cool stuff to me thumbs up!
Getting closer! I used to have an Enerpac Hyd. pump with 22kps, it would get er done. Sold it to a friend and miss it now.
Yeah that would have work nicely!! We should have hooked up some kind of reservoir to that lil' porta-power!!☺
hey
heres an idea, a biek for 2 but it has a 2 stroke engine in it so its a powered bike, but it has 2 50cc 2 stroke engines, the carbs would have to be synced and all that... but that would be perty awesome
I was inspired by your video. I have the same engine. I can not for the life of me get a decent seal on the port. Anything special you can recommend?
That's great it moved a little ...keep at it and soon it will be out
Yeah Buddy!! Any progress is good!!☺
You might have better luck with a grease gun and grease that way it doesn't leak around the piston because the grease is thicker.
I know this is old now but you would not be able to move it with the flywheels while you had the plate on the side, it needs to allow air in or out the let the piston move.
I would have thought you would use a penetrating fluid to unseize it.
looking better each time
Yeah Buddy!!☺
You're getting there! :) Jack
Yeah Buddy!! A little at a time!!☺
Okay that's it, I've made up my mind I will do my best to grow a pumpkin tree next year.
That's the Spirit!! What's life without a little adventure eh!!☺
Nice effort gentlemen! To mill that block could you do it on site, or do you have to take it into a shop?
Thanks Bud!! I think we can massage it back into shape on Site with a Big File and a good gasket!!☺
A remote umbilical pumpkin. Kool!
It was nice seeing that piston loosen up .
As my grandfather used to say " A lot of cussedness and perseverance", it would be good to see the piston out after all your hard work RoadKing :)
Thanks Bud!!☺
I thought you had it for sure. I knew exactly what you meant between stuck and seized up as soon as you said it, too. Thanks Roadking, this is turning out to be a lot of fun to watch.
Yeah we just ran outta time, we'll get it!!☺
Awesome that it's moving now!! That tree pumpkin was interesting!!
Yeah we should get it out next time we mess with it!!☺
Just a thought, Can you not use air with the cyl full of oil? air over hydraulic is how all the in ground car lifts and elevators worked...
Yeah air over hydraulic would work but it's a little more involved than just hooking up an air hose!!☺
Where are you located?
very interesting videos buddy, keep em coming
Thanks Bud!! NJ!!☺
Hey RoadKing, like your vids. Maybe you could try grease to push it out.
Thanks Bud!!☺
Love the pumpkin tree man ..LOL !! It's trying to come out of there .. Hope the piston is ok when you get it out ! Good work guys .. Thumbs up !
Yeah hopefully the cylinder is OK, it would be nice if the piston is good but if it's not, you can replace them pretty easily!!☺
Hope all is good King !!
It Moved!!!!!!!
Yeah Buddy!! A little at a time!!☺
I was sure that was going to come free....it will, more Jim Jones Juice! (JJJ)
Yeah Buddy!!☺
Fantastic to see it move! Well done guys, you never fail to inspire!
Thanks Mate!!☺
Vespa .....Viaggio? Close its Piaggio!
yay episode three
Pre lube that crank!!!!
A lot of little bits go a long way... keep at it boys....
Yeah Buddy!! Patience is key!!☺
That's great! A bug hurdle out of the way! I knew it would move, eventually! I've never worked on a motor that big, not with a single cylinder anyway.. But I have seen and loosened some pretty well rusted up gear.. With the right treatment and enough time, even the most solidly rusted up parts will move.
Yeah Buddy!! Just takes a little patience!!☺
+805ROADKING Yep, it always does! I've seen too many people lose patience and give up too early...
Its getting there, man that flywheel is a monster!
Yeah Buddy!! Mike and John lifted those wheels off, they weigh about 400lbs!!☺
It's Piaggio that build scooters not viaggio 👍
Lol!! I was close!!☺
Love that mower.
wouldt you want to dump the oil off the top side of the piston before you rock the crank? probably won't rock very well hydrolocked. looked like the plate and fitting were still on there.
The plate is still on, we took the fitting off and it lost about a ¾ of a gallon!!☺
i want to jump on one of them fly wheel spokes so hard right now... if a 300 pound gorilla jumping on the fly wheel wont budge it..
We tried that, it didn't work!!☺
i was thinking now that its stuck (from seized), it might move a little better, you might be able to knock some of the rust holding the piston back
Can't wait to see the inside. thanks for the video
Yeah hopefully it an too bad!!☺
Loosen the rod bolts... and use the weight of the flywheels to bump it out... works great!
We tried that, it didn't work at all!!☺
ha... ok sorry... maybe with a little heat at the same time or have you considered using a pressure washer instead of the porta power? Water is a lot cheaper than oil... works just as good.. Good luck Buddy..
Progress is always a good thing!
Yeah Buddy!!☺
Getting there. it'd be out by now if you used the Wurth Rostoff shit i told you about. cheers.
I don't think so Mate!! No magic potion is gonna make that piston move!!☺
805ROADKING I have used it on things that were locked up so hard it was going to be an impossible task and it worked. I really is a miracle in a can
viagio is the bycicle company piagio is the vespa crap
Lol!! I was close!!☺
805ROADKING yes you were
its moving at least,wont be long now
Yeah Buddy!!☺
Nice wont be long now
Yeah Buddy!!☺
amazing bubby... thanks
Thanks Bud!!☺
Progress! Soon...
Yeah Buddy!!☺
How old is it?
80-100 years!!☺
nice job
Thanks Bud!!☺
Hi guys nice to see you get it to move, Whats wrong with Dirtbike don't he trust you to borrow his stuff without adult supervision L.O.L. I kinda hope that piston and cylinder hasn't picked up and scored, when it cooled making it go tighter again with the burrs grabbing. My Buddy did that with a 2 1/2 " pin on an excavator cylinder without cooling it first. He proceeded to beat on it harder with a huge piece of steel rod as a punch, mushrooming the pin even tighter before i got the" Help me I'm stuck with this!" call.
That turned into a real F'er of a job and more than one choice word in a few sentences trying to get it back out the other way with a 14lb hammer, heating / cooling to break the rust then adding penetrating oil to. When the pin was finally out you could really see the score/burr marks where it picked up. If he had heated and cooled with water,even a few times first, it would of come out in half the time and with less effort. Good luck and I'm looking forward to the next installment.
Thanks Bud!! I told the Kid to take his Porta-Power with him!! I thought we'd be able to get it out with the mass of the flywheels!!☺