JB, you said those that want more payload, dont want to move to a 1 ton, because they don't "need" a 1 ton. Well, if they want more payload, it sounds to me like they need a 1 ton and honestly, take the badging off the fender and nobody will even know the difference. Some states make you register 1 tons as commercial trucks, I get that (I would move), but the best setup out there is a 1 ton, longbed crew cab single rear wheel. I would never buy a 3/4 ton. Yuck.
The gvwr is more of a guideline i felt lol. What really matters is the axel rating which is listed on the same tag as the payload. They offer the mega if you want a bigger cab. But don't leave out the turning radius of rams crew is better than any of the others.
@@CornFed_3 who cares that's your f problem not mine tow a light trailer not a difficult thing to do and tow a light 5th wheel trailer also common sense aw that's right you people don't have it
JB, my off to the side thought is this rumor of Ram possibly reducing MSRP's up to 35%. If that starts to come to fruition on the heavy duty pickups I'll gladly buy one in dually flavor to haul my trailer and over-look lack of major updates.. Do you think the up to 35% thing is real?
Not sure if my first comment made it I got an era message Check you local dealer web site some are already selling their half ton trucks at over 25% off and hd trucks around 15 to 20 % off and I hear bigger discounts are coming as well as possibly better warranty coverage
Looks like Larry H Miller isn’t able to offer that discount yet or they are trying to see if they can get there franchise yanked like a dealer in Washington did last week for not offering the discount Hendrick in my area is offering the discount on top of all of the other discounts available which is making for some really good prices on trucks they are at or below 2017 prices
@@BigBadJohnDieselif you use your truck for work, you’re not contemplating a couple hundred pounds. You do what you have to do to get the job done. I don’t know anybody who looks at those numbers .
Agree JB. I am not including them in my decision for 3/4 ton now because of this. It the first thing I look at when truck shopping, I want towing and payload first in the smallest possible truck. That puts me at a Chevy 2500 right now. I don't need the the one ton or the diesel and I don't want to deal with the extra costs and maintenance of them. I am not the most knowledgeable on engines and want to know why don't the Big Three offer a turbo v8 gas or hybrid/boost gas in the 3/4 trucks? Is it cost reasons? Is an HD eco-boost not a realistic possibility? Thanks for the videos!
Stellantis, (a French/Italian conglomerate) that separately once made Peugoes and Fiats for the American Market, AND FAILED; have now also FAILED at making cars and trucks for the American Market at prices Americans are willing to pay. WHO COULD HAVE GUESSED??? (And what about making cars and trucks that don't SELF-DESTRUCT after 80,000 miles -- OR LESS???)
I still think Ram should offer an optional higher gvwr on the 2500. 10500 or 11000. That would solve the payload. But it would move the 2500 from class 2 to class 3.
EXACTLY. Simple solution. Offer the 1 ton with a 13.5k gvwr and give the 3/4 tons several different ratings, let the customers choose the rating. Voila, problem solved.
I agree 100 percent. If you’re going to 10,001 you may as well go to 11000.What we need is for the government to revise the classification of vehicles to reflect the curb weight and gvwr modern vehicles. When I was growing up a 10,000 gvwr truck was a 1 ton dual rear wheel truck . Now that’s a base 3/4ton 2wd , 1 tons drw are now 14,000 gvwr. I think it’s time to raise the CDL weights to 30,000 from 26,000. A new 1 ton drw with a 7 ton trailer should not require a CDL A to drive . 25 years ago that combination was 24,000 gvwr no CDL required,now it’s 28,000. Also the federal requirements for US DOT numbers should be raised from 10,001 gvwr to at least 14,001. Some states like PA have it at 17,001 which is nice it allows a 3/4 t pickup and a 7 k trailer to be legal without a log book daily and dot numbers .
I agree. RAWR is the most important rating to me. That said, I have seen many, many people sell 2500's due to payload limitations when in fact the truck is capable of much more than the factory says. Thats wrong, the factory should give a realistic rating of the vehicle, regardless of state regulations.
Dumbest thing they did IMO is making the Mega Cab exclusive to the Cummins. I would love to have the payload of a 3/4 or 1 ton gas truck with that mega cab, not to mention the savings over the diesel.
Exactly! And I would buy the 6.4 mega cab 2500 in a heart beat. Now I won’t even consider a HD ram. Looks like I’m stuck with my 5th gen 1500. No new truck/ price is appealing to me really
Also something not alot of people have picked up on, it looks like the Laramie does NOT have fender flares on it... looks very dressed down... why did they remove this :(
JB Great video if you dive deep into the numbers, there are 1/2 trucks with 1800 pounds of payload. 3/4 should have over 2500lb of payload and 1 ton should have 3500lb.
What are all the landscapers who have 16,000# trailers supposed to buy to stay under CDL if all the manufacturers build class 3 trucks but call them class 2?
The ram 2500 payload was always bad and most people who tow alot got the 3500 anyway as the HO was not even an option on the 2500. I think the bigger issues are 1) the higher trim levels only have bright chrome unless you pay 2k for the limited with the night package (unlike denali ultimate or AT4x) and 2) the truck only comes with trash firestone 33s ( tremor and AT4X have 35s). The tremor and AT4X also have more features like a locking rear diff and I don't see any mention of this on the RAM configurator. The RAM price is literally almost more than both an F250 Tremor and a high spec 2500 sierra depending on the exact options too.
Power wagon actually has both front and rear locking diff which neither ford or gm have so I wouldn’t say their lacking in the department. It is a shame they come with 33s but switching to 35s isn’t too much of a hassle. Price wise the new rams are actually cheaper when fully loaded than the ford and gmc. Chevy is still the best value though
I'm going to test drive a few in March before I pull the trigger on an order for 2500 ZR2. I like the easier serviceability of the fuel and oil filters, but overall I'm not real impressed. I want to see a real 5th gen cab and bed. I would have liked to see the 1500 style seats in the new HD too.
I don't care what gvwr says I just load my truck til squats down just before the bump stop hits and load just below max tire capacity. They all have done fine for me. I've haul backhoe with my 25ft gooseneck on daily basis with my 2005 ram 2500 Cummins manual no problem. But I guess in ur area DOT cares about what you haul .😂 funny thing I have seen trucks with higher cargo capacity squat more then my truck that had lower cargo capacity . Idk what they really base it on .
These guys just don’t get it. Real working class people need reliability, longevity and ease of maintenance! That’s what Cummins and Ram focused on. Cummins/Ram stated they over tested on cooling, exhaust brake and transmission calibration. 1,075lb ft torque is all you’ll ever need. Cummins could build a monster of an engine if the wanted to, but they are trying to offer a package. Ram has the looks, interior, tech and the best engine available. Our 2022 GM Duramax has had nothing but issues. Transmission, harness, modules etc. people just want a truck that’s going to get the job done and last. That’s what the engineers are attempting to provide us.
This is a STUPID video. The reason Ram keeps the 2500 GCWR below 10,500 lbs is because exceeding that requires the consumer to to do additional paperwork when registering a vehicle in certain states. It's that simple. GM and Ford have chosen to exceed that number on their 2500s. No big deal. Ram on the other hand has chosen to let the customer decide. If they need the additional GCWR or don't mind the additional paperwork involved, then you can choose the 3500. If you don't want to mess with that and can get by with the GCWR of 10,300 then RAM is now the only manufacturer where you can get a 2500 and don't have to go through additional paperwork hassle for those certain states. Also, some folks have mentioned that this is also relevant to some HOAs. They may require additional fees or paperwork for vehicles exceeding that 10,500 lb threshold.
I don’t know what I takes to keep a f250 at the 10k gvwr rating but according to fords website you can get a f250 crew cab 4x4 diesel with a 10k gvwr. The thing he is saying is that’s the max on the ram 2500 where it’s the minimum on the f250 giving the customer an actual choice when buying a truck.
Other manufacturers.. (I know GM does) have decreased GVWR package to get under that number if registration is a concern. I saw one of those trucks on a lot out here a few months ago. I wouldn't bother getting it. But, I think what JB is basically saying... is RAM "should" at least offer some kind of "max payload" package... to compete with the other manufacturers in that respect. If they did, I would certainly consider. But my half ton truck has 1750 lbs of payload.... the 3/4 diesel GM I had, had 3303 lbs of payload. If I need to get a bigger truck to tow bigger things.... as a consumer... it matters. Under 2000 lbs for a 3/4 truck would not of met my needs, legally. My $0.02.
Mostly correct, but it is more than paperwork, also significant money. I could actually really use the payload of the 3500 srw, but the suspension is crap compared to the 2500
@ exactly. My father in law has a 2022 Laramie crew cab long bed Cummins and my f150 has the same payload capacity. Now I know his truck is capable of way more but I try to stay within the lines. Really hate an insurance company not cover an accident.
In california i bought my 2021 ram and had the gvwr droped from 21000 gvwr to 10000 gvrw .in california you pay a commercial weight fee of 12 percent more over your 10000 gvwr .
I guess I'm just not hyper focused on these payload figures. If you have to go over by a few hundred pounds the truck won't spontaneously explode. Is all this attention being paid to this in case of a hypothetical situation of being pulled over by the DOT, taken to a weigh station and ticketed for being over the payload on the sticker?
I’m looking to get a new truck to pull a fifth wheel with a 2,060 lbs hitch weight. I like the ride and look of the Ram 2500 better than GMC, Chevy or Ford. Ford would be my second choice if Ram didn’t deliver. Ram is making this decision for me with this low payload…I’m likely going from a guaranteed Ram 2500 customer to a guaranteed Ford F-250 customer because Ford will give me 1,000 more lbs of payload in the same class of truck without having to move to a 1 ton truck. Smh@Ram 🤦
LOL, you think Ram stays at 10k for some paperwork? No, sorry, that’s not the case. Not only that, but Ram can do like the others and offer a 10,000lb GVWR package for those that can’t find the energy to sign their name 1 more time. What a stupid comment.
Who cares what the sticker says If ur not popping tires busting springs and burning up wheel bearings you ain’t loaded…jus load it till that bumper is dragging you will be jus fine heck with the weight rating no one looks or cares about those numbers it’s jus a number so jus drag that bumper!!!!!!
Load it how you want screw the law just load it till the back bumper is dragging and ur popping wheelies screw what that sticker says drag that back bumper!!!!!!!!!
My biggest issue is that Ram is still using those hydraulic lifters.
Honestly, I'm a bit disappointed. I'm part of the %30 who gets the S/C gasser. No updates on the 6.4....
JB, you said those that want more payload, dont want to move to a 1 ton, because they don't "need" a 1 ton. Well, if they want more payload, it sounds to me like they need a 1 ton and honestly, take the badging off the fender and nobody will even know the difference.
Some states make you register 1 tons as commercial trucks, I get that (I would move), but the best setup out there is a 1 ton, longbed crew cab single rear wheel. I would never buy a 3/4 ton. Yuck.
The gvwr is more of a guideline i felt lol. What really matters is the axel rating which is listed on the same tag as the payload. They offer the mega if you want a bigger cab. But don't leave out the turning radius of rams crew is better than any of the others.
So many variables to consider than just looking at the numbers. I agree.
GVWR and GCWR trump axle ratings every single time.
$400 off for "bed delete"?!?
WTF?!? THAT SHOULD BE $5000
You are not kidding I was in a crash with my 2020 and it was like 6500 for a new bed
@jasonriggleman9416 Heck yeah! I just had a bed put on my 07, cost me $4200.
So order it with the bed and take it off and sell it for $5000
Very good criticism. The payload thing is very disappointing
it's a 3/4 ton truck it depends on wut you get
@@mjoliver457, the trucks weigh a lot regardless. The 2500 truck GVWR is driving a lot of customers away.
@@CornFed_3 who cares that's your f problem not mine tow a light trailer not a difficult thing to do and tow a light 5th wheel trailer also common sense aw that's right you people don't have it
JB, my off to the side thought is this rumor of Ram possibly reducing MSRP's up to 35%. If that starts to come to fruition on the heavy duty pickups I'll gladly buy one in dually flavor to haul my trailer and over-look lack of major updates.. Do you think the up to 35% thing is real?
Not sure if my first comment made it I got an era message
Check you local dealer web site some are already selling their half ton trucks at over 25% off and hd trucks around 15 to 20 % off and I hear bigger discounts are coming as well as possibly better warranty coverage
Looks like Larry H Miller isn’t able to offer that discount yet or they are trying to see if they can get there franchise yanked like a dealer in Washington did last week for not offering the discount Hendrick in my area is offering the discount on top of all of the other discounts available which is making for some really good prices on trucks they are at or below 2017 prices
Never really looked at payload numbers on any of my trucks. I load whatever I need to move within reason obviously.
Most people don't.
@@BigBadJohnDieselif you use your truck for work, you’re not contemplating a couple hundred pounds. You do what you have to do to get the job done. I don’t know anybody who looks at those numbers .
Ram will need to go to an aluminum body like Ford to increase hauling and towing capacity.
Maybe The Rear Coil Spring Suspension Design On The 2500 Limit The GVWR To Around 10k
Bingo!
The reason for the huge price increase on the mega cab is it comes standard with the Cummins engine.
Thank you couldn’t wrap my head around the huge price increase. Makes sense because the Cummins is a 12.5k upgrade
Plus I wouldn’t own a diesel today unless deleted. So it’s really like 15k+ for the Cummins making it a moot point. I’ll gladly stick with the 6.4
Throwing a bed on a Base 5500 seems like best value and resale for a full size Ram right now.
Coil Springs. The answer to the light payload problem is Ram uses rear coil springs instead of leaf springs like Ford and GM.
Agree JB. I am not including them in my decision for 3/4 ton now because of this. It the first thing I look at when truck shopping, I want towing and payload first in the smallest possible truck. That puts me at a Chevy 2500 right now. I don't need the the one ton or the diesel and I don't want to deal with the extra costs and maintenance of them. I am not the most knowledgeable on engines and want to know why don't the Big Three offer a turbo v8 gas or hybrid/boost gas in the 3/4 trucks? Is it cost reasons? Is an HD eco-boost not a realistic possibility? Thanks for the videos!
Stellantis, (a French/Italian conglomerate) that separately once made Peugoes and Fiats for the American Market, AND FAILED; have now also FAILED at making cars and trucks for the American Market at prices Americans are willing to pay. WHO COULD HAVE GUESSED??? (And what about making cars and trucks that don't SELF-DESTRUCT after 80,000 miles -- OR LESS???)
@user-zo6xg8bx4l.......STELLANTIS makes 14 different brands of vehicles including Maserati !
I tried to build a short bed DRW 3500 and there was no option for that. Do you know if they discontinued it?
I still think Ram should offer an optional higher gvwr on the 2500. 10500 or 11000. That would solve the payload. But it would move the 2500 from class 2 to class 3.
EXACTLY. Simple solution. Offer the 1 ton with a 13.5k gvwr and give the 3/4 tons several different ratings, let the customers choose the rating. Voila, problem solved.
Still can’t believe they have not updated the body on the 2500 and 3500.
Me either it’s way over due an update
The actual 5th Gen HD trucks will come in MY26 or MY27 when they migrate to the 7.2L engine platform.
JB, If you had to buy a truck today with MSRP under 70 to tow a 31 ft trailer?
Ram 2500 bighorn 6.4 or GMC 2500 SLE? Or Ram 3500 6.4?
I agree 100 percent. If you’re going to 10,001 you may as well go to 11000.What we need is for the government to revise the classification of vehicles to reflect the curb weight and gvwr modern vehicles. When I was growing up a 10,000 gvwr truck was a 1 ton dual rear wheel truck . Now that’s a base 3/4ton 2wd , 1 tons drw are now 14,000 gvwr. I think it’s time to raise the CDL weights to 30,000 from 26,000. A new 1 ton drw with a 7 ton trailer should not require a CDL A to drive . 25 years ago that combination was 24,000 gvwr no CDL required,now it’s 28,000. Also the federal requirements for US DOT numbers should be raised from 10,001 gvwr to at least 14,001. Some states like PA have it at 17,001 which is nice it allows a 3/4 t pickup and a 7 k trailer to be legal without a log book daily and dot numbers .
Payload means nothing it is the legal aspect of 26000 for a class 2 license you can be arrested for improper drivers license
I agree. RAWR is the most important rating to me. That said, I have seen many, many people sell 2500's due to payload limitations when in fact the truck is capable of much more than the factory says. Thats wrong, the factory should give a realistic rating of the vehicle, regardless of state regulations.
Dumbest thing they did IMO is making the Mega Cab exclusive to the Cummins. I would love to have the payload of a 3/4 or 1 ton gas truck with that mega cab, not to mention the savings over the diesel.
I have a 5.7 2500 mega cab it’s an 07 though figured they still have it
Exactly! And I would buy the 6.4 mega cab 2500 in a heart beat. Now I won’t even consider a HD ram. Looks like I’m stuck with my 5th gen 1500. No new truck/ price is appealing to me really
Also something not alot of people have picked up on, it looks like the Laramie does NOT have fender flares on it... looks very dressed down... why did they remove this :(
Preach it brother!! This GVWR situation is a major disappointment. Hopefully Ram is listening to you..
JB Great video if you dive deep into the numbers, there are 1/2 trucks with 1800 pounds of payload. 3/4 should have over 2500lb of payload and 1 ton should have 3500lb.
What kind of power plant does the Rebel come with?
Does the 3500 SRW have coil or leaf springs
What are all the landscapers who have 16,000# trailers supposed to buy to stay under CDL if all the manufacturers build class 3 trucks but call them class 2?
The ram 2500 payload was always bad and most people who tow alot got the 3500 anyway as the HO was not even an option on the 2500. I think the bigger issues are 1) the higher trim levels only have bright chrome unless you pay 2k for the limited with the night package (unlike denali ultimate or AT4x) and 2) the truck only comes with trash firestone 33s ( tremor and AT4X have 35s). The tremor and AT4X also have more features like a locking rear diff and I don't see any mention of this on the RAM configurator. The RAM price is literally almost more than both an F250 Tremor and a high spec 2500 sierra depending on the exact options too.
Ram had had locking rear differential for years
Power wagon actually has both front and rear locking diff which neither ford or gm have so I wouldn’t say their lacking in the department. It is a shame they come with 33s but switching to 35s isn’t too much of a hassle. Price wise the new rams are actually cheaper when fully loaded than the ford and gmc. Chevy is still the best value though
@bramvankampen5709doesn’t the power wagon actually have even worse payload?
They should make a 2500 camper special
I'm going to test drive a few in March before I pull the trigger on an order for 2500 ZR2. I like the easier serviceability of the fuel and oil filters, but overall I'm not real impressed. I want to see a real 5th gen cab and bed. I would have liked to see the 1500 style seats in the new HD too.
Great info!!!!! Looks like f250 for me
Just today bought an F350
Up here nobody buys a 2500 because you have to pay luxury tax. We just get the 3500 because it's considered a commercial vehicle.
BC?
I don't care what gvwr says I just load my truck til squats down just before the bump stop hits and load just below max tire capacity. They all have done fine for me. I've haul backhoe with my 25ft gooseneck on daily basis with my 2005 ram 2500 Cummins manual no problem. But I guess in ur area DOT cares about what you haul .😂 funny thing I have seen trucks with higher cargo capacity squat more then my truck that had lower cargo capacity . Idk what they really base it on .
These guys just don’t get it. Real working class people need reliability, longevity and ease of maintenance! That’s what Cummins and Ram focused on. Cummins/Ram stated they over tested on cooling, exhaust brake and transmission calibration. 1,075lb ft torque is all you’ll ever need. Cummins could build a monster of an engine if the wanted to, but they are trying to offer a package. Ram has the looks, interior, tech and the best engine available. Our 2022 GM Duramax has had nothing but issues. Transmission, harness, modules etc. people just want a truck that’s going to get the job done and last. That’s what the engineers are attempting to provide us.
This is a STUPID video. The reason Ram keeps the 2500 GCWR below 10,500 lbs is because exceeding that requires the consumer to to do additional paperwork when registering a vehicle in certain states. It's that simple. GM and Ford have chosen to exceed that number on their 2500s. No big deal. Ram on the other hand has chosen to let the customer decide. If they need the additional GCWR or don't mind the additional paperwork involved, then you can choose the 3500. If you don't want to mess with that and can get by with the GCWR of 10,300 then RAM is now the only manufacturer where you can get a 2500 and don't have to go through additional paperwork hassle for those certain states. Also, some folks have mentioned that this is also relevant to some HOAs. They may require additional fees or paperwork for vehicles exceeding that 10,500 lb threshold.
I don’t know what I takes to keep a f250 at the 10k gvwr rating but according to fords website you can get a f250 crew cab 4x4 diesel with a 10k gvwr. The thing he is saying is that’s the max on the ram 2500 where it’s the minimum on the f250 giving the customer an actual choice when buying a truck.
Other manufacturers.. (I know GM does) have decreased GVWR package to get under that number if registration is a concern. I saw one of those trucks on a lot out here a few months ago. I wouldn't bother getting it. But, I think what JB is basically saying... is RAM "should" at least offer some kind of "max payload" package... to compete with the other manufacturers in that respect. If they did, I would certainly consider. But my half ton truck has 1750 lbs of payload.... the 3/4 diesel GM I had, had 3303 lbs of payload. If I need to get a bigger truck to tow bigger things.... as a consumer... it matters. Under 2000 lbs for a 3/4 truck would not of met my needs, legally. My $0.02.
Mostly correct, but it is more than paperwork, also significant money. I could actually really use the payload of the 3500 srw, but the suspension is crap compared to the 2500
@ exactly. My father in law has a 2022 Laramie crew cab long bed Cummins and my f150 has the same payload capacity. Now I know his truck is capable of way more but I try to stay within the lines. Really hate an insurance company not cover an accident.
In california i bought my 2021 ram and had the gvwr droped from 21000 gvwr to 10000 gvrw .in california you pay a commercial weight fee of 12 percent more over your 10000 gvwr .
I guess I'm just not hyper focused on these payload figures. If you have to go over by a few hundred pounds the truck won't spontaneously explode. Is all this attention being paid to this in case of a hypothetical situation of being pulled over by the DOT, taken to a weigh station and ticketed for being over the payload on the sticker?
I would get a 3500 but can't get the red
Buying the 2025 Rebel in a few months.
Your AT4X is a 94k truck, thats a bargain compared to RAM, and even with all the off road goodies, your AT4X has a decent payload number.
they should have updated the cab
Might as well buy a 1500 Laramie as your not getting anything extra payload.
2027 will be the year! 100 percent new generation. Complete redesign from the frame up.
I’m looking to get a new truck to pull a fifth wheel with a 2,060 lbs hitch weight. I like the ride and look of the Ram 2500 better than GMC, Chevy or Ford. Ford would be my second choice if Ram didn’t deliver. Ram is making this decision for me with this low payload…I’m likely going from a guaranteed Ram 2500 customer to a guaranteed Ford F-250 customer because Ford will give me 1,000 more lbs of payload in the same class of truck without having to move to a 1 ton truck. Smh@Ram 🤦
I forget have to remind me how much of a ram heavy duty pick up is made out of aluminum nowhere near what the GM products and Ford products are is it?
LOL, you think Ram stays at 10k for some paperwork? No, sorry, that’s not the case.
Not only that, but Ram can do like the others and offer a 10,000lb GVWR package for those that can’t find the energy to sign their name 1 more time.
What a stupid comment.
I'm excited about it.
Big letdown. I hope with Kuniskis back they get with the program.
New ram HD is stupid. This is barely a refresh!
The 7.2 will be 200k when they come out
Thanks inflation
Typical fiat/Peugeot 3/4 ton trucks, over the payload of many of the "half ton" rated 5th wheels.
Yes that’s Dumb😝
Absolute disappointment
No one gives a shit about 2500s buy a 3500 or a 1500
First! wasssup
Who cares what the sticker says If ur not popping tires busting springs and burning up wheel bearings you ain’t loaded…jus load it till that bumper is dragging you will be jus fine heck with the weight rating no one looks or cares about those numbers it’s jus a number so jus drag that bumper!!!!!!
Load it how you want screw the law just load it till the back bumper is dragging and ur popping wheelies screw what that sticker says drag that back bumper!!!!!!!!!
Only 6 stupid colors?!….. and less hp on 6.4…. How stupid… update the 6.4 to a 7.2 & 500 hp