Confusion Over the Goodness of God, God's Anger and Lukewarmness

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  • @melissaphillis7247
    @melissaphillis7247 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

    I had the worst struggle with God being good, when we lost our 2nd daughter, Lauren, at 31weeks inutero. Noone could answer me, tell me that He was still with me, wanted me to call out to Him. Now I know , after 22 years, that He's Marvellous, after finding your books and videos. I'm His Daughter and Lauren is with Him❤❤❤

  • @marcydelgenio8169
    @marcydelgenio8169 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Im christian and im broken, but i also believe Jesus can repair and restore. Thank you, Mark. Also thank you to all of you who have decided to go on a healing journey!

  • @karolyazzie8488
    @karolyazzie8488 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

    I deal with anger issues myself. My anger was something that i didnt like about myself. I always gave into my anger but now im trying to learn to set boundaries like u said during my anger. Am i perfect at it, no, but ima continue to practice. Brother mark, you dont know how much your videos have helped me. God definitely used u to help us OCDers. Im grateful that God led me to you.

  • @angelablain3846
    @angelablain3846 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    I wonder why listening to your teachings just make me weep. But there’s this relief. And the encouragement. It really is the LOVE isn’t it.

  • @shotgun6160
    @shotgun6160 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    This video was such a blessing to me, especially the focus on the lukewarmness and what it really means. Being an OCDer I’ve been damaged so much by the distorted definition of lukewarmness, by people who mark some as lukewarm even in the comment section of various christian posts. They include you in the lukewarm category when by their definition they can be included in it as well. If we think about it, everyone can be part of the lukewarm category if we imply the meaning of lukewarm that people throw out. It is very damaging especially when i or someone else honestly opens himself up and reveals some struggles and some weaknesses, therefore becoming vulnerable and those people instead of taking care and manifesting the fruit of the Spirit when you expose yourself, like when you expose a wound, placing yourself in a place where you can potentially be hurt, they bash you and hammer you right when you’ve made your best to be honest and to open yourself up revealing yourself defenceless. Because of it i’ve made my mind that those people that hammer you with lukewarm might very much be lukewarm themselves, because those who go around swinging “lukewarm” to everyone are very much like the pharisees of Jesus’ times. This video is something that needs to be billboearded all around churches.

  • @kenziekober
    @kenziekober 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    I’ve been listening to these videos for the last few months, and just want to say thank you for what you do. As so many others have shared before, this content is truly life changing and the most help I have ever come across! May God continue to bless you and your family, and the work you are doing!

  • @kellyschroeder7437
    @kellyschroeder7437 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Thank you for the words on discipline. Grew up without direction, discipline and love. Would appreciate prayers for a heart that’ll respond to God and be open 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻✝️🙌🏻

  • @Graceandhope777
    @Graceandhope777 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    So glad you are doing this stream because these are issues I wrestle with because of a difficult life in part. Just saw your anger at God video from three years ago about how our shame is connected towards anger at God and you’re right-I had never made the connection. I want to see my relationship with God flourish and to love myself in a healthy biblical way.

  • @marktdejesus
    @marktdejesus  16 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    Timestamps:
    0:00 Intro
    16:52 The Struggle of Relating to God and the Scriptures with Distortions
    30:17 Infertility Issues the Struggle of Connecting with the Goodness of God in Trials
    1:10:35 God's Anger in the Old Testament
    1:48:00 What is Lukewarmness?

  • @GeraldaZainalvand
    @GeraldaZainalvand 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Thank you for sharing your wisdom. God bless you and your family.

  • @shawnboahene5231
    @shawnboahene5231 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Great message. I looked into what you said about lukewarmness and you’re right. I can’t believe so many churches peddle that false message.

  • @FlorenceLunsford-sk2nj
    @FlorenceLunsford-sk2nj 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    God's anger lasts a moment his favor last forever

  • @prisca5
    @prisca5 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Thank you for this relieving message.

  • @estelleclements5515
    @estelleclements5515 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Thank you for speaking to my heart Mark - I needed this. 🙏🙏

    • @margaretgrosskreuz8687
      @margaretgrosskreuz8687 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @estelle. I really needed this too. Isn't God's timing just perfect.
      Blessings to you sis

    • @estelleclements5515
      @estelleclements5515 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@margaretgrosskreuz8687 Hey how are you @margaret, how's it going? Are you in UK like me? Yes God's timing is always spot on. Blessings to you & if you're ever near the West Mids (Worcs) it would be great to meet you. Blessings back at you. xx 🌹🌹

  • @daughterofChrist04
    @daughterofChrist04 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    I've just started this video not too long ago, but i have seen a lot of your other videos. You've touched on particular thought patterns and specific thoughts that i have been battling, and i had no idea another person would even understand. It helped me so much. I see things through such distorted lenses sometimes, that it's hard to believe anyone at all, because how would anyone know if they were seeing through the right lenses? so many people out there thinking they have answers and wisdom and yet, they are contradictory, and everyoneee is sure they have the right answer. it's harder to discern when it's Christians and they say they have the correct theology and have heard from God on specific things and their way is right because they are blessed by God. if they feel they heard from God when they didn't, where am I too messing up? probably everywhere. who is right? where do i go? it's hard to trust and read the bible if i don't even trust myself or how i perceive things. when i go to the bible it's like you said, all i hear in condemnation and i walk away feeling farther from God than when i first started. and it's crazy because i grew up in the church, saved from a young age. I've been close to the Lord for so long i had almost forgotten what it felt like to feel far from Him or that He would be angry with me. However, as challenges have met me as i have had problems with family and growing up, different situations and lots of things going on, anxiety fears and shame have sunk their claws so deep in my head, i feel i let myself slip so far in my lack of faith through heartbreaks and confusing situation. i have days where i feel totally ok and capable and close to God, but then most days it's an uphill struggle. i feel my horrible mental state is all my own fault, and yet that thought crushes me because if it is, that means God won't be happy to help with me til i get rid of it and show more responsibility. but then i feel worse because i think, how prideful can you be to think you can do it without God?? It's so sad to think about how confident and happy I used to be. now anxiety is a constant battle, and i don't know how I got here. I feel so guilty for my lack of faith and trust in God and yet there is anger and guilt for being angry. when I go for help it's all guilt guilt guilt, you got in this you can get yourself out. i know that is the enemy now, in a good state, but sometimes i can't tell what's me holding myself accountable or just condemning myself. sorry for that whole rant. I really want to grow in strength to work to heal if God doesnt heal me supernaturally.

  • @theresa42213
    @theresa42213 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +19

    HI MARK! l just got a ''Psychologist'' in the world to counsel me ......... and guess what? SHE"S A CHRISTIAN! How awesome is our Lord, that l would go into the world to get help, and HE would send a Christian? l'm SO happy! l told her about you too btw. :D Thank you for this stream.

    • @DwayneTM
      @DwayneTM 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@theresa42213 no need to yell. Alot of people go through what you are going through

    • @kevinspano7315
      @kevinspano7315 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      So glad you are on your journey. May God bless you make His face to shine on you. May He protect you and give you lots of favor 🙏🏼

    • @theresa42213
      @theresa42213 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@kevinspano7315 ~ Thank you Kevin! lts nice to hear that verse in Numbers 6 said to me. There is nothing l would like more than this, so it means a lot. ~ Canada :)

    • @margaretgrosskreuz8687
      @margaretgrosskreuz8687 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​@@theresa42213Yes. It is important that this psychologist is Grace-based. I will pray for that. Otherwise you could get a distorted view of God. Just saying
      Bless you Theresa ♥️🤗

    • @theresa42213
      @theresa42213 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@margaretgrosskreuz8687 ~ YES! She is. She made me write out six verses on Grace. l spent most of my time in Galatians, Ephesians, and Romans. l could have written 6o verses. lts the ''accuser'' who tells me ''you'll never make it, you're going to hell, God hates you''. lts REALLY LOUD. But l'm not listening any more and l think he's going away! :D Now l concentrate on loving God because He loves me. Not to escape hell. lts GLORIOUS! :D _ALL GLORY_ goes to The KING of kings, and LORD of lords!

  • @kellyschroeder7437
    @kellyschroeder7437 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Thank you for soundness

  • @slcollazo.2911
    @slcollazo.2911 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Mark, I call it, “righteous indignation,” which provokes me to take action. 👍

  • @hawj89
    @hawj89 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I think what she meant by family opposing adoption is that adopting is not the same as having one of your own. My husband thinks the same. We don’t have kids yet and I’ve brought up adoption, but my husband said he wants his own kids (his own blood). So I get it even if I disagree with it.

  • @kellyschroeder7437
    @kellyschroeder7437 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    So so much 💔😢🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻💞💙

  • @FlorenceLunsford-sk2nj
    @FlorenceLunsford-sk2nj 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I feel like there's a ache in my heart and l know better to harden my heart the good lord really wants me to have a soft heart

  • @FlorenceLunsford-sk2nj
    @FlorenceLunsford-sk2nj 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I also feel like am wrestling with god and everything else

  • @AshantyLovesJC
    @AshantyLovesJC 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I Just donated on your website, im sorry it wasn't much. God willing i will continue too since i now consider you my church. Lol. I would really really love if we can do bible studies ? i love the way you explain passages its what i really need. please consider it. p.s the dance break when you went to go get water was awesome.

  • @margaretgrosskreuz8687
    @margaretgrosskreuz8687 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Mark i'm at 26:50 and loving it

    • @margaretgrosskreuz8687
      @margaretgrosskreuz8687 11 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I never had a brother. This is huge to me that I have a brother who deeply cares and sees our Father as loving and Gracious.
      Thank you

  • @ElizabethaSara
    @ElizabethaSara 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    The intro music is so beautiful!! Do you know where I can find it?

  • @kayling7077
    @kayling7077 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Starts@ 16:41 ❤️

    • @Nightwalker25-m3u
      @Nightwalker25-m3u 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Psalms 136:1-26 NIV
      [1] Give thanks to the Lord, for he is good. His love endures forever. [2] Give thanks to the God of gods. His love endures forever. [3] Give thanks to the Lord of lords: His love endures forever. [4] to him who alone does great wonders, His love endures forever. [5] who by his understanding made the heavens, His love endures forever. [6] who spread out the earth upon the waters, His love endures forever. [7] who made the great lights- His love endures forever. [8] the sun to govern the day, His love endures forever. [9] the moon and stars to govern the night; His love endures forever. [10] to him who struck down the firstborn of Egypt His love endures forever. [11] and brought Israel out from among them His love endures forever. [12] with a mighty hand and outstretched arm; His love endures forever. [13] to him who divided the Red Sea asunder His love endures forever. [14] and brought Israel through the midst of it, His love endures forever. [15] but swept Pharaoh and his army into the Red Sea; His love endures forever. [16] to him who led his people through the wilderness; His love endures forever. [17] to him who struck down great kings, His love endures forever. [18] and killed mighty kings- His love endures forever. [19] Sihon king of the Amorites His love endures forever. [20] and Og king of Bashan- His love endures forever. [21] and gave their land as an inheritance, His love endures forever. [22] an inheritance to his servant Israel. His love endures forever. [23] He remembered us in our low estate His love endures forever. [24] and freed us from our enemies. His love endures forever. [25] He gives food to every creature. His love endures forever. [26] Give thanks to the God of heaven. His love endures forever.
      bible.com/bible/111/psa.136.1-26.NIV Many blessing on this ❤ healing and freedom Journey. ❤🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉

  • @FlorenceLunsford-sk2nj
    @FlorenceLunsford-sk2nj 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    The ach of the dark pain am in my 40s

  • @LydiaTheBusinessWoman
    @LydiaTheBusinessWoman 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    My son has literally driven himself insane because of his ocd/scrupulosity. He's so angry with God, he shouts, swears, screams blasphemy at Him. It is terrifying to see. There is NOTHING I can say to him to make him see reason. All I can do is pray, and keep telling him God loves him. We've been stuck in this cycle for a whole year and I cannot see a way out of it....

    • @joyfulnoise4896
      @joyfulnoise4896 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Lydia that sounds really rough. I’m sorry for what your son is going through including you guys! I understand being angry with God and my own parents counsel me with my scrupulosity too. Maybe your son can’t see it for himself but may he see and come to understand your understanding of the Lord and may God calm his mind. May God give you wisdom and courage as well. I just prayed for him.

    • @aliciahernandez6203
      @aliciahernandez6203 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Lydia may the Lord release Him soon and may he know the strength He has to fight in Christ. Have you considered a partial hospitalization program for OCD. Im currently in one and it’s intense but so helpful.

    • @LydiaTheBusinessWoman
      @LydiaTheBusinessWoman 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @aliciahernandez6203 thank you. No I haven't heard of such a thing, whereabouts are these (are they in Europe) and is this via your gp?

    • @LydiaTheBusinessWoman
      @LydiaTheBusinessWoman 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@joyfulnoise4896 thank you, God bless you too 🤲

    • @powersd453deven
      @powersd453deven 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I’ve got scrupulosity, and I never thought I’d get angry at God because i was too scared of him as a kid to question his ways, but when I was 18, all of that fear and doubt coalesced into deep anger toward him, and I’ve struggled with it ever since. It’d help if he’d make himself known in some tangible way. Hope he gets better, and recovers from the bitterness.

  • @FlorenceLunsford-sk2nj
    @FlorenceLunsford-sk2nj 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I got a lot of things up my sleeve

  • @FlorenceLunsford-sk2nj
    @FlorenceLunsford-sk2nj 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I stir up a lot of strife

  • @FlorenceLunsford-sk2nj
    @FlorenceLunsford-sk2nj 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    All try to support your channel if l can sometimes l don't have it to give

  • @FlorenceLunsford-sk2nj
    @FlorenceLunsford-sk2nj 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    All try to sow into your ministry sometimes l don't have it to give

  • @FlorenceLunsford-sk2nj
    @FlorenceLunsford-sk2nj 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I have been in a lot of surgeries

  • @ConnorCampbell-g8b
    @ConnorCampbell-g8b 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Hey mark I need your help I have been gonfused for 7 months now and I’m still lost on what to do I think I’m ashamed of the gospel and try to fix it but it is never enough and I can’t go up to people and talk about Jesus so I’m confused If I’m not going to heaven now

  • @FlorenceLunsford-sk2nj
    @FlorenceLunsford-sk2nj 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I have this pain am going through strange things going on

  • @FlorenceLunsford-sk2nj
    @FlorenceLunsford-sk2nj 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I get sucked into spiral out of control

  • @Hope-o3n
    @Hope-o3n 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Mark im curious what illness you recovered from?

  • @FlorenceLunsford-sk2nj
    @FlorenceLunsford-sk2nj 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I feel like am under pressure alot

  • @FlorenceLunsford-sk2nj
    @FlorenceLunsford-sk2nj 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I feel more sinful than I am sinless

    • @flowerchic1969
      @flowerchic1969 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Key word “feel”. You’re many times not going to feel the truths of Father & Jesus

  • @kellyschroeder7437
    @kellyschroeder7437 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    All the time spinning out

  • @FlorenceLunsford-sk2nj
    @FlorenceLunsford-sk2nj 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Plus l got bags under my eyes

    • @levellingUP-s2i
      @levellingUP-s2i 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Haha. Me too! Bags grow bigger exponentially with my obsessive compulsive behaviour that I'm lukewarm and heading for hell...Jesus is gonna spit me out😮

  • @FlorenceLunsford-sk2nj
    @FlorenceLunsford-sk2nj 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    My faith is so weak

  • @kintsugi-c6u
    @kintsugi-c6u 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I struggle with the goodness of God. I don't know if anyone here knows Nabeel Quereshi. He was a Christian apologist who died of cancer at 34. He left behind his wife and daughter. Millions of people prayed for him. He never got better. He died almost exactly when the doctors said he would. I just don't understand. I know God doesn't promise healing. But do our prayers mean anything at all? How can I trust God? With my depression and health issues. Everything seems like random chance. I'm heartbroken. I want to love God, but where is He?

    • @zaram131
      @zaram131 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Same struggle here.. yes I did know Nabeel Quereshi from his channel. I’m feeling bitter and angry as well. All I’ve ever wanted was someone to love me and I’ve spent my whole life hoping and praying, and it’s never happened and never going to. I can’t connect with people, so I have found comfort in my animals, as I’ve always been a huge animal lover. But now my pets are randomly dying one after another. Untimely deaths. Just today one of my dogs was hit and killed by a vehicle. 😭 and I honestly feel that God just hates me. He does not love me. Sorry I know I should be encouraging you but I feel so down. 😢

    • @paolamiranda9215
      @paolamiranda9215 14 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      My beloved,
      Nabeel isn't sick anymore, and all those who prayed for healing were heared by God, like children are listened by their Father, but the Father has the last choice. And I hope with time we can be certain that, in fact, he WAS HEALED (read Rev 21, 4). That, of course, isn't going to bring a father and husband back, but it's gives us faith (we live by faith, not by sight) that even in the midst of pain in this world, we are waiting for a new world when Christ is king and we are overflowed by Love. It's our hope and our certainty that there is not a better restoring that the one given after life.
      Please know that God is still the same God of love that gave you breath this morning and allowed you to see the sun. When a family member suddenly died at age 13, i felt shocked because I truly believed God would save him and raise him from the dead. But that didn't happen. With time (it's been almost 4 years) i've learned that God remains the same: He loves me when i'm heartbroken and mad at Him, He loves me when it's hard to breath, and when i don't think i can keep on moving, and when i get hopeful and grateful too. He loves me, us, in all of our forms (Romans 8:38-39: nothing can separate us from his Love)
      He loves you, and He is there in the middle of you struggles. He is not a God who looks away from the heartbrokened (Psalms 34:18-19). God bless you ❤ i recommend other Mark deJesus' videos, they are really good.

    • @paolamiranda9215
      @paolamiranda9215 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​​@@zaram131 I'm so sorry for your loss. It must be really hard to feel like the world and God is against you.
      I don't know if this helps you in any way: maybe Jesus Christ felt similar, he was abandoned when he needed company the most and was hated by almost everyone when he died. But he did it so we could be loved and sinless in front of the Father.
      God's love for you is everlasting (Jeremiah 31:3) and He is the Father of all comfort (2 Corinthians 1:3-4) He knows and is there when called, He understands (Hebrews 4:15-16)
      I hope you can feel loved in any way today ❤ God bless you.

    • @kintsugi-c6u
      @kintsugi-c6u 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@zaram131 No, don't apologize. I'm so sorry to hear about your dog. That's horrible. I find comfort in my pets, too, because it is difficult to connect with others. As much as I don't understand these things, I don't believe God hates you or me or any believer...but that's all I know. I hope you feel better soon. It's hard.

    • @kintsugi-c6u
      @kintsugi-c6u 14 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@paolamiranda9215 Thank you, friend. I'm sorry for your loss. I can't imagine that. I'm trying to hold on to what you said. I want to believe.

  • @FlorenceLunsford-sk2nj
    @FlorenceLunsford-sk2nj 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    My back hurts a lot

  • @FlorenceLunsford-sk2nj
    @FlorenceLunsford-sk2nj 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    My mouth is like diarrhea lol

  • @MichaelPetrone-ng5yx
    @MichaelPetrone-ng5yx 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    If you are cold what do you turn to -
    HOT - if you are hot what does that do - MELTS the COLD - Jesus spoke in the simplest of terms while proclaiming the Kingdom of Heaven on Earth - perhaps he was still speaking to John in that way considering he was speaking to the churches who are the earthly members of His Resurrected body - after this He took John UP and spoke to him with much different pictures - the Holy Spirit is not a system of theology for a system cannot make those connections for the simplest of word pictures -
    It's been my experience and I have to believe that God designed it that way - remember in Genesis at one time they all spoke the same language - in this sense God is both a genius and speaks to us in baby talk

  • @FlorenceLunsford-sk2nj
    @FlorenceLunsford-sk2nj 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    My life is little bit messy

  • @FlorenceLunsford-sk2nj
    @FlorenceLunsford-sk2nj 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    My disease and l open to association

  • @FlorenceLunsford-sk2nj
    @FlorenceLunsford-sk2nj 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I can't see god at work

  • @FlorenceLunsford-sk2nj
    @FlorenceLunsford-sk2nj 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    A lot of shame hits me