Tim explaining how to boil frogs alive while Dave sits there like “wtf is happening rn” was the best part of the whole stream 😂😂😂😂 love you guys together always make me laugh
This stream was incredible. Had me intrigued and laughing and was so in depth. I love when either of you interject to bring back the symbolism lol. Great time watching live! Cheers to terrible plans, our man Quentyn Martell and to drinking wine alone in the dark etc etc etc.. 🔥
Thank you for a great stream. I caught some live last night and finished it up today. Honestly I was never much of a fan of the Quentyn chapters but now I’m a Quentyn convert thanks to the two latest streams. Quentyn is such a relatable character, similar to Sam Tarly. He’s like a normal person dropped into a fantasy epic.
Fast becoming my favourite duo - had me giggling into my tea several times.. nice one chaps. Also, imagine Quentyn had been successful in the capturing of a Dragon. How pissed would Daenerys be at him for stealing from her - pissed enough to question Dorne as an ally and see them as a threat? Seems like Quentyn's actions are the actions of a person behaving fundamentally at odds with their own predispositions, all to impress their father...the actions of a green (rookie/frog) boy..
Snuggeries probably refers to the old Irish tradition of snugs. Which were private rooms in a pub with entrances accessible from the street so women could enter the pub discreetly and partake in drinking
You guys are a good team! Your personalities, noticeably different, compliment each other and you guys seem to genuinely enjoy each other’s company. Keeping ASoIaF relevant and fun 👍🏽
Quentyn's adventure really did stink. Poor guy. I did enjoy his pov chapters, it gave another view of places and insight to the war happening outside Mereen. And the foreshadowing of his demise.. graphic too, love everything about it. Great stream as always! Thanks guys!
Great stream as always, Dave! You two have such amazing friendship chemistry. Your banter creates a vibrant energy that makes your duo streams extra entertaining, informative and fun! Well done, and thank you for continuing to create superior content! 👏🌞
28:36 talk about a parallel between Doran & Lady Mellario to Jorah & Lynesse Hightower. Lady Mellario born in a northern climate and didn’t acclimate well going South, then the opposite with Lynesse.
I thought the whole “dragons don’t poop” thing was mostly a joke but then I realized… there is no feces in their chamber. They are stuck in there, never let out and if they defecated like normal animals, the chamber should have reeked of dragon feves not just fire. Maybe they do poop but then, like their food and their dead, they incinerate it. Those bricks weren’t just black from being burned, it was a nice, thin layer of evaporated dragon dung!
Don’t you guys understand? When Q’s whip and hand are burning and he is screaming, he runs to one of the dragons, hops on its back and flys away. Nothin is more obvious than that!
I think Rhaegal being compared to a fat woman with jewels likens him to the Green Grace, who is responsible for the Sons of the Harpies, and possibly the woman in Aeron's vision of the woman with pale fire sitting next to Euron? I say this cos there's some great theories that Rhaegal will be the dragon Dany fights with Drogon (mirroring the Greens vs Blacks of the Dance of Dragons). Rhaegal is described as more aggressive than Viserion, who seems to be the smallest and most placid.
Loving your tag-team streams guys... would love it even more if you could do more of the synchronised stereo baton-handling with the lines, sounded epic!
@DavidLightbringer it was incredible and definitely seems unintentional and unnoticed by yourselves. It was seamless. Just need Timmy to be reading off the same page, so to speak!
The success of getting Tatters to side with Dany seems to be influenced by his knowledge of Barristan. Rumors of Bari's reputation could have spread to Essos. Barristan's endgame is to break the siege without losing the hostages. He may tell people not to think of him as a doting grandfather, but he kind of is to Dany.. He knows she cares for the hostages (especially Darrio) and does not want her to lose them.
A “small” point but like Quentin, who just says “Oh” when he unexpectedly realizes he’s completely on fire, Small Paul also only says “Oh” when he is fatally stabbed by the Other who attacks Sam, Grenn and him when fleeing the Fist of the First Men. Small point (haha) but seems to be a pattern in GRRMs writing. We all want Quintin to go back to Dorne and have the happy life he wants but his whole purpose I believe is to serve as a tragic figure promoting GRRMs desire for peace. I love Small Paul by the way. Maybe you could feature him in the Fist centric video. Not sure why I like him so much. Maybe it’s his uniqueness, his love of animals, his helping (saving really) Sam by carrying him and by (accidentally) knocking the sword out of the Other’s hand. Also love how he continues to carry Sam even when a passerby urges him to drop Sam and save himself. He says no because, he says, Sam promised him a bird. I want a bird that talks and eats corn out of my hand, he says. So sweet. Like Quintin, he just wants a simple happy life. Of course knocking away the Other’s sword allowed Sam to stab the Other with the dragon glass so Small Paul save Sam twice.
Think you couldn't see the wood for the trees at one point 😊 Barristan describing the rising sun after Quentyn's death looking like a bleeding wound... isn't House Martell's sigil a red sun?
"Dragons are fire made flesh", and fire doesn't poop. Also, dragons are magical creatures running at 100% efficiency so they don't produce waste. Praise Garth.
Glad to see some channel have enough courage to challenge Preston’s theory. Not saying that I dislike Preston but some of his opinions are absurd, like saying that Olenna killing Joffrey didn’t make sense.
Quentyn's three days of pain is interesting considering how three is an important number to Dany: three heads of the dragons, three treasons, three fires to light, etc.
If Quentyn is alive then what message does that give the reader? Make a dumb plan, make decisions from a sense of entitlement or duty, ignore the advice of friends/elders etc. Do all of the above and you win a Dragon. Thats not very George. Also his death plays into many of the apparent morals of the story - the prominent one being how Children should not be used to perpetuate the cause/sin/ambitions/desires etc etc of the parent. Even smart kids are dumb and lack logic, reason and the ability show restraint or put on the brakes so to speak. I see a lot of Joffrey here - Joff being the horrid kid and Quent being the nice kid... both essentially dying horribly.
Rhaegal burns Quentyn because he was annoying his brother 😂 I have empathy for Quentyn but after that chapter I was too annoyed with his actions, though I cried when he died in the Barristan's chapter. I was sad for his friends who had traveled so far with him and have to tell Doran he sent his son to his death. A horrible death at that.
Maybe Barristan is looking to bring the Windblown to Westeros with them by promising Pentos after Dany takes the Iron Throne. I'm not quite certain but I did notice that he has thought quite a bit about Duskendale in his POVs but not Maelys and so I have to think it's going to have to do with Illyrio and the Blackfyres but my brain hasn't quite connected all the dots yet. But I may also be WAY overthinking this one. 😂
❤ This is legit. 39:15. Old Nan came to Winterfell as a Lady in waiting. My theory is that she is from Skagos, hence old Nan=old tongue. It’s why she knows all the stories.
1:44:47 Yeah. Tim is right. I can confirm we have many lizards in Florida and they’re not your little tree lizards. We have big curly tails and these weird invasive ones now that are red and black called Agamas. They’re surreal if you’ve never seen one
Dragons are in fact genderless!!! The Last Dragon produced a clutch of 5 eggs. It was the LAST dragon!!! There were no other dragons around for it to breed with. That’s why it’s referred to as The Last Dragon. And it was still able to lay 5 eggs. I don’t think we even hear about any dragon laying as large a clutch!!
Those eggs could just be unfertilized. However we can't probably draw a too close parallel with any non-magical oviparous animals. The lack of information about dragon reproduction makes me wonder if no maester was ever allowed to study a deceased dragon's anatomy
I thought about it. We don’t know definitively but, imo all the evidence points towards dragons eggs are all fertile upon being laid. It takes a special person like Dreamfire Rhaena or Rhaenyra or Daenerys and the right conditions in order to hatch dragon eggs. And there’s no proof but I get the feeling the Last Dragon could’ve been bonded at some point to Daena the defiant. Which would make Daemon Blackfire and his children even more significant imo.
Excellent stream as always. I was thinking the hulking temple/woman decked in jewels could be an allusion to the idea of the Whore of Babylon. This would feed into the Night's Queen side of the Nisa Nisa symbolism. She is presiding over the "long night" that is occurring in Meereen. Quentyn is the dead sun, and his death is the black dawn. The whole ordeal seems like an Azor Ahai invading the Weirwood Net. Under the pyramid is a labyrinth, the door has the Nisa scream, we are entering the death realm, and the tables get turned on our AA figure.
Cat takes a lot over Jon. It’s earned. But just thinking that the Stark children are considered sheltered because they had NOT been fostered off. All we’re still at home with her when the crap hits the fan. Rob and Jon were around 14/15 yrs old and still at home. Sansa is home as well. All 5 kids safe and comfy at Winterfell. But she would understand that pain of sending a kid away as she and her sister had been promised away rather young as well.
I'd say the best evidence of Preston's theory of Quentin being alive is that it takes him 3 days to die and his eyes didn't explode. Everyone else we have seen hit by dragon's breath has died almost instantly from the heat and all of them have had their eyes explode or run like jellie down their cheeks. Quentin's eyes are scared, but not exploded and he doesn't instantly die from it. I would agree from all the foreshadowing of this chapter it does make him sound very dead.
I wonder if that has something to do with the fact that he does in fact have some of the blood of the dragon running through his veins. Or it might just be for symbolism.
Considering everything about the taming not working because of the context in which these dragons are (kept captive, not having familiarity with high valyrian, etc.) And not so much about the valyrian blood in Quentyn, it all really makes me wonder how it will turn up with Jon. He doesn't speak a word of valyrian for all we know, of course. Would it be like Danys walking into the pire?
I'm thinking it's because of Jon's super concentrated skin changer DNA combined with the Valaryian blood. Both the Targs and the starks are somewhat inbred so the combo of R+L = super fire resistance warg style DNA. Not saying he will ride a dragon, maybe warg one? who knows - only george
I think I know why we don’t get a conclusive description of Quentin Martell’s death, because writing a pov scene of a minor character burning to death would be a little much
I think "Oh" being his last conscious thought before screaming into burning insanity is legit. There are no rational thoughts in his head any longer past the "Oh"
Watching this stream made me rewatch PJ's Quentyn Is Alive video. Which I've never bought into cause it relies way too much on real world science, which GRRM has indicated is the wrong way to analyze ASOIAF. But it got me thinking about a much more probable theory on how Quentyn could've survived and claimed a dragon, and I'm surprised PJ never even touched on it. I'm not pitching this as an actual possibility but, Quentyn 's Targaryen blood could've afforded him some heat resistance. (Not immunity, I know that was a Daeny one off and that wasn't even immunity, more like extreme resistance. Did lose her hair) So if Rhaegol didn't hit him with a full blast, he might not have been burned fatally or to an extent that would debilitate him. And if he survived then Rhaegol might recognize him as blood of the dragon and accept him as a rider. That being said, although possible this scenario doesn't make narrative sense. Quentyn is definitely dead. ☠️🔥 RIP
44:27 I think it's interesting about the white city across from Kings landing. Cerise also has a dream or maybe desire to do the same. I have the feeling lord Butterwells had the same dream when designing his pure white castle 🏰 near Harrenhal if I remember correctly the wood was all done with weirwood as well which is surprising because I thought Harrenhal was the last talked about castle being built using wood from weirwoods that was not to long prior to Butterwlls castle I was always curious where they got so much weirwood to build to castle within maybe 100 year window. I don't think harrenhall was predominantly weirwood but I feel like I recall it saying it had some and they either left one for the gods wood or they planted one but its not to far from gods eye or high heart I wonder just how many weirwood left standing there really are in the Riverlands.
My head cannon is dragons produce Hydrogen and have Hydrogen sacks which they can ignite to breathe fire and also make flying easier , they are like living Hindenburg's basically 😅 Another great stream BTW (y)
I can see The Tattered Prince going home, to gather support and start to undermine Illyrio. If Dany lster learns, about the hole fAegon plot, we could hear about it of page that she supported a coup de tatters over there.
1:55:25 I wonder if dragon fire is related to wild fire. Like maybe dragons are metabolizing the chemical liquid used in the making of wild fire. Like what Cersei used to destroy the sept of Baylor. Not sure if this is just a show thing. I like JUST started reading book 1 on my own
Arya when with the Brotherhood without Banners, knew to follow orders. Dummy didn't let the dragons finish eating. You shouldn't mess with dogs, while eating. QM the Hotpie of Dorne!
Maybe it's just another layer of support from an ally 🤔 Clearly Dany thinks that Illyrio is her ally but the reality is he's plotting against her this whole time. Maybe Barristan thinks that having a second ally in Pentos is a good idea?
Twenty five minutes in. Love the look LML! Let that hair flow. Thank you both so much for doing this follow up stream. Think George is reverse foreshadowing SummerHall?
If we get twow ill be happy even if he doesn't get ados done. Maybe hes writing both and is waiting till both are finished or something i really hope he gets to finish ot cause it might be the greatest story of the 21st century. Maybe in the future it will be mistaken for true history
1:00:16 listen. Everyone needs to know about the lizard people you must be a lizard person in order to bond with a dragon. Telling everybody to go watch Draco morph theory.
Having a bias based on someone skin color falls squarely into the category of racism. Period. It may not be the Jim Crow law kind of racism, but it is indeed squarely on the spectrum of racism. And there is a spectrum. The problem is people giving and accepting a small slender definition of racism in order to excuse other behavior that is most definitely racism. David’s position around Nettles is instinctively fair and inclusive. That is fantastic. And it’s not like the fandom of fantasy hasn’t been suffering from the delusion that brown skinned people are either not present, or are only present in some basal level. In nettles case the bias come in thr for that she just can’t have high valarian blood because why….she’s brown skinned. That total BS!
thank you, yeah, it makes me uncomfortable, especially given that the story seems written so that we will view the people in the story who question Nettles as being biased by her looks. And then when you go deeper, it just makes no sense that you don't need dragon blood to bond with dragons
re gout discussion at 5:30 I love Tim but he seems to be wrong here. Apparently dietary causes account for about 12% of gout. (Other factors include genetics, physical trauma and certain medical conditions, esp. kidney related.) SO not really fair to Doran or RL gout patients.
I’m sorry, this has almost nothing to do with your stream but I DESPISE the term “Global South”. It’s meant to be a less offensive substitute for the term “Third World” and coming up with a new term to replace that one is fine. But I can’t stand the fact that they chose a direction as part of this new term, a direction many of the places you would use it to refer to are not. It just reads as wildly inaccurate to me and I think we can do better. “Global South” is a first draft AT BEST!
What up fellas!! Tim I’m liking your breakdowns!! Y’all bout to be mad at me. But more often than not Preston Jacob’s is closer to the truth than he’s not. First Quentyn is alive is not his theory even he has said that. I’m not sure y’all debunked the theory. I didn’t hear y’all mention the oil on the whip or anything. Arch’s hands are wrapped up right? So how do we know his hands are actually burned? What prisoner is Missandei told to cover up? Shouldn’t they have said to cover up the prince not the prisoner? I’m not saying I believe the theory. LML made an excellent point I’m not sure the theory accounted for and that’s dragonfire is no ordinary fire. It’s magical. I just don’t think we should be close minded to most theories until it’s really broken down and analyzed properly.
Tim explaining how to boil frogs alive while Dave sits there like “wtf is happening rn” was the best part of the whole stream 😂😂😂😂 love you guys together always make me laugh
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"Is that how you do it, Tim?"..
"....yup"
Got me good🤣🤣
Love ya Tim
This stream was incredible. Had me intrigued and laughing and was so in depth. I love when either of you interject to bring back the symbolism lol. Great time watching live! Cheers to terrible plans, our man Quentyn Martell and to drinking wine alone in the dark etc etc etc.. 🔥
Another great stream, perfect to listen to during a work day! 🐲
I know my calculus. It goes Dave + Tim = Deep Insight!
You plus me equals us
@@joshkellemen5931 hahaha you got it! 2Gether for life!
@@therunningman_UU upyh hoh😮ppp
Thank you for a great stream. I caught some live last night and finished it up today. Honestly I was never much of a fan of the Quentyn chapters but now I’m a Quentyn convert thanks to the two latest streams. Quentyn is such a relatable character, similar to Sam Tarly. He’s like a normal person dropped into a fantasy epic.
Fast becoming my favourite duo - had me giggling into my tea several times.. nice one chaps.
Also, imagine Quentyn had been successful in the capturing of a Dragon. How pissed would Daenerys be at him for stealing from her - pissed enough to question Dorne as an ally and see them as a threat? Seems like Quentyn's actions are the actions of a person behaving fundamentally at odds with their own predispositions, all to impress their father...the actions of a green (rookie/frog) boy..
Snuggeries probably refers to the old Irish tradition of snugs. Which were private rooms in a pub with entrances accessible from the street so women could enter the pub discreetly and partake in drinking
You guys are a good team! Your personalities, noticeably different, compliment each other and you guys seem to genuinely enjoy each other’s company. Keeping ASoIaF relevant and fun 👍🏽
Quentyn's adventure really did stink. Poor guy. I did enjoy his pov chapters, it gave another view of places and insight to the war happening outside Mereen. And the foreshadowing of his demise.. graphic too, love everything about it. Great stream as always! Thanks guys!
Great stream as always, Dave! You two have such amazing friendship chemistry. Your banter creates a vibrant energy that makes your duo streams extra entertaining, informative and fun! Well done, and thank you for continuing to create superior content! 👏🌞
I might have missed it in the video but the last Gardener died from his burns three days after the Field of Fire in AWOIAF
of course he did haha. his last words, on seeing the dragon, was surely "oh"
Another excellent stream fellas. Keep doing what you're doing. This stream has become part of my weekly routine.
I love this stream! “These dragons are just in a pit getting pissed!” Right!
28:36 talk about a parallel between Doran & Lady Mellario to Jorah & Lynesse Hightower.
Lady Mellario born in a northern climate and didn’t acclimate well going South, then the opposite with Lynesse.
Yeeees. My thoughts exactly
I thought the whole “dragons don’t poop” thing was mostly a joke but then I realized… there is no feces in their chamber. They are stuck in there, never let out and if they defecated like normal animals, the chamber should have reeked of dragon feves not just fire. Maybe they do poop but then, like their food and their dead, they incinerate it. Those bricks weren’t just black from being burned, it was a nice, thin layer of evaporated dragon dung!
Also seems like Doran sent his young, inexperienced kids on suicide missions! Idk…?
Don’t you guys understand? When Q’s whip and hand are burning and he is screaming, he runs to one of the dragons, hops on its back and flys away. Nothin is more obvious than that!
Just finished class, gonna cozy up with a cup of tea for a good listen. Last stream had me in stitches 😂
Man this channel is just so amazing. I’ve been listening nonstop for two months.
I think Rhaegal being compared to a fat woman with jewels likens him to the Green Grace, who is responsible for the Sons of the Harpies, and possibly the woman in Aeron's vision of the woman with pale fire sitting next to Euron? I say this cos there's some great theories that Rhaegal will be the dragon Dany fights with Drogon (mirroring the Greens vs Blacks of the Dance of Dragons). Rhaegal is described as more aggressive than Viserion, who seems to be the smallest and most placid.
okay that's interesting. or you might say they share an archetype perhaps. I'll give it thought
Great stream! Looking forward to the Monday stream!
"THAT'S NOT ENOUGH TIME TO STEAL A DRAGON TIM!" 😆
Loving your tag-team streams guys... would love it even more if you could do more of the synchronised stereo baton-handling with the lines, sounded epic!
yeah I saw that in the chat they were saying we synced up somehow
@DavidLightbringer it was incredible and definitely seems unintentional and unnoticed by yourselves. It was seamless. Just need Timmy to be reading off the same page, so to speak!
I have been super sick this week with a serious tooth infection. Listening to you two last night really cheered me up! 🖤
The success of getting Tatters to side with Dany seems to be influenced by his knowledge of Barristan. Rumors of Bari's reputation could have spread to Essos. Barristan's endgame is to break the siege without losing the hostages. He may tell people not to think of him as a doting grandfather, but he kind of is to Dany.. He knows she cares for the hostages (especially Darrio) and does not want her to lose them.
DRINKING A BUNCH OF ALCOHOL BEFORE FACING A FIRE BREATHING DRAGON, lit up like a candle
the read throughs are always my comfort listen while i’m at a noisy ass construction site
just keep everything in front of you, that's the takeaway from this chapter
Sticky fire ignited by liquids - Dragon fire is napalm
Your videos are brilliant. Thank you so much for going deep with this series.
Props for bungle mention! Patton is a vocal god!
A “small” point but like Quentin, who just says “Oh” when he unexpectedly realizes he’s completely on fire, Small Paul also only says “Oh” when he is fatally stabbed by the Other who attacks Sam, Grenn and him when fleeing the Fist of the First Men. Small point (haha) but seems to be a pattern in GRRMs writing. We all want Quintin to go back to Dorne and have the happy life he wants but his whole purpose I believe is to serve as a tragic figure promoting GRRMs desire for peace. I love Small Paul by the way. Maybe you could feature him in the Fist centric video. Not sure why I like him so much. Maybe it’s his uniqueness, his love of animals, his helping (saving really) Sam by carrying him and by (accidentally) knocking the sword out of the Other’s hand. Also love how he continues to carry Sam even when a passerby urges him to drop Sam and save himself. He says no because, he says, Sam promised him a bird. I want a bird that talks and eats corn out of my hand, he says. So sweet. Like Quintin, he just wants a simple happy life. Of course knocking away the Other’s sword allowed Sam to stab the Other with the dragon glass so Small Paul save Sam twice.
Think you couldn't see the wood for the trees at one point 😊 Barristan describing the rising sun after Quentyn's death looking like a bleeding wound... isn't House Martell's sigil a red sun?
a bleeding wound and a black day - if that's supposed to represent the state of Quentyn Martell, Id say it's apt. That sun isn't shining anymore.
"Dragons are fire made flesh", and fire doesn't poop. Also, dragons are magical creatures running at 100% efficiency so they don't produce waste. Praise Garth.
and there it is
Always down with the aviators/fear and loathing in Meereen 😎🤘🖤
Glad to see some channel have enough courage to challenge Preston’s theory. Not saying that I dislike Preston but some of his opinions are absurd, like saying that Olenna killing Joffrey didn’t make sense.
Quentyn's three days of pain is interesting considering how three is an important number to Dany: three heads of the dragons, three treasons, three fires to light, etc.
If Quentyn is alive then what message does that give the reader? Make a dumb plan, make decisions from a sense of entitlement or duty, ignore the advice of friends/elders etc. Do all of the above and you win a Dragon. Thats not very George. Also his death plays into many of the apparent morals of the story - the prominent one being how Children should not be used to perpetuate the cause/sin/ambitions/desires etc etc of the parent. Even smart kids are dumb and lack logic, reason and the ability show restraint or put on the brakes so to speak. I see a lot of Joffrey here - Joff being the horrid kid and Quent being the nice kid... both essentially dying horribly.
Rhaegal burns Quentyn because he was annoying his brother 😂 I have empathy for Quentyn but after that chapter I was too annoyed with his actions, though I cried when he died in the Barristan's chapter. I was sad for his friends who had traveled so far with him and have to tell Doran he sent his son to his death. A horrible death at that.
I love vids with you two together!
Nice one. Always look forward to your read-throughs. Thanks guys.
Love your Reagar house guest bits. All great and funny.
Since the Martel’s sigil includes a sun, the black dawn likely symbolizes a Martell death
the hair is glorious. Definitely your best look XD
oh thank you! solid feedback
Where else can you get a deep dive into Dragon Sex and magical poop? Love these streams.❤
I got abducted by aliens for a few hours... still on the ship but the homies are watching David and Tim with me now...
Maybe Barristan is looking to bring the Windblown to Westeros with them by promising Pentos after Dany takes the Iron Throne. I'm not quite certain but I did notice that he has thought quite a bit about Duskendale in his POVs but not Maelys and so I have to think it's going to have to do with Illyrio and the Blackfyres but my brain hasn't quite connected all the dots yet. But I may also be WAY overthinking this one. 😂
❤ This is legit. 39:15. Old Nan came to Winterfell as a Lady in waiting. My theory is that she is from Skagos, hence old Nan=old tongue. It’s why she knows all the stories.
Maybe Tatters wanted the dragons released in a way similar to the show?
What good are dragons chained up in the basement during a battle?
1:44:47 Yeah. Tim is right. I can confirm we have many lizards in Florida and they’re not your little tree lizards. We have big curly tails and these weird invasive ones now that are red and black called Agamas. They’re surreal if you’ve never seen one
“Josh Tim it’s almost like you know stuff.” - DL
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And there are absolutely Unsullied in Pentos as well. Both Dany & Bobby B mention "pointy hatted eunuchs"
Awesome thanks
‚Let‘s stop talking about it‘, they said and continued … to talk about it 😂
I’ll be back. Gotta watch that livestream first! Thanks for the warning haha
Excellent stream as always!!!!! ❤❤❤😊😊😊
Another stream I missed, but I'm listening now, praising garth and climbing on the flying saucers.. gonna be a good stream.
Dragons are in fact genderless!!! The Last Dragon produced a clutch of 5 eggs. It was the LAST dragon!!! There were no other dragons around for it to breed with. That’s why it’s referred to as The Last Dragon. And it was still able to lay 5 eggs. I don’t think we even hear about any dragon laying as large a clutch!!
Those eggs could just be unfertilized. However we can't probably draw a too close parallel with any non-magical oviparous animals. The lack of information about dragon reproduction makes me wonder if no maester was ever allowed to study a deceased dragon's anatomy
I thought about it. We don’t know definitively but, imo all the evidence points towards dragons eggs are all fertile upon being laid. It takes a special person like Dreamfire Rhaena or Rhaenyra or Daenerys and the right conditions in order to hatch dragon eggs. And there’s no proof but I get the feeling the Last Dragon could’ve been bonded at some point to Daena the defiant. Which would make Daemon Blackfire and his children even more significant imo.
Dragons dont poop because fire is the purest death😉
Well done 🎉
Whoa! What happened to Dave?! Did Andre 3000 take over the channel? That hair is so fresh and so clean, clean!
Excellent stream as always. I was thinking the hulking temple/woman decked in jewels could be an allusion to the idea of the Whore of Babylon. This would feed into the Night's Queen side of the Nisa Nisa symbolism. She is presiding over the "long night" that is occurring in Meereen. Quentyn is the dead sun, and his death is the black dawn. The whole ordeal seems like an Azor Ahai invading the Weirwood Net. Under the pyramid is a labyrinth, the door has the Nisa scream, we are entering the death realm, and the tables get turned on our AA figure.
Cat takes a lot over Jon. It’s earned. But just thinking that the Stark children are considered sheltered because they had NOT been fostered off. All we’re still at home with her when the crap hits the fan. Rob and Jon were around 14/15 yrs old and still at home. Sansa is home as well. All 5 kids safe and comfy at Winterfell. But she would understand that pain of sending a kid away as she and her sister had been promised away rather young as well.
Three maimed Lannisters: Tyrion’s nose, Jaime’s hand, Marcella’s ear. The likable Lannister with all their parts is little Tommen.
I'd say the best evidence of Preston's theory of Quentin being alive is that it takes him 3 days to die and his eyes didn't explode. Everyone else we have seen hit by dragon's breath has died almost instantly from the heat and all of them have had their eyes explode or run like jellie down their cheeks. Quentin's eyes are scared, but not exploded and he doesn't instantly die from it. I would agree from all the foreshadowing of this chapter it does make him sound very dead.
I wonder if that has something to do with the fact that he does in fact have some of the blood of the dragon running through his veins. Or it might just be for symbolism.
What what what a live stream on a Wednesday!! Gah I missed you guys again 😢 oh well😅 got 3 hrs of you guys I ma ears whilst I work ❤
Considering everything about the taming not working because of the context in which these dragons are (kept captive, not having familiarity with high valyrian, etc.) And not so much about the valyrian blood in Quentyn, it all really makes me wonder how it will turn up with Jon. He doesn't speak a word of valyrian for all we know, of course. Would it be like Danys walking into the pire?
I'm thinking it's because of Jon's super concentrated skin changer DNA combined with the Valaryian blood. Both the Targs and the starks are somewhat inbred so the combo of R+L = super fire resistance warg style DNA. Not saying he will ride a dragon, maybe warg one? who knows - only george
You spoke about the 'screaming hinge'. The Wall is also described as the hinge of the world. Just thought that was interesting :)
Perfect stream to chill out to 🙏🏻
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Great show. Has anyone noticed the slight resemblance between David Lightbringer & Zachery Quinto?
I think I know why we don’t get a conclusive description of Quentin Martell’s death, because writing a pov scene of a minor character burning to death would be a little much
yeah we didn't really need to be in his head any longer than that Did we
I think "Oh" being his last conscious thought before screaming into burning insanity is legit. There are no rational thoughts in his head any longer past the "Oh"
Watching this stream made me rewatch PJ's Quentyn Is Alive video. Which I've never bought into cause it relies way too much on real world science, which GRRM has indicated is the wrong way to analyze ASOIAF.
But it got me thinking about a much more probable theory on how Quentyn could've survived and claimed a dragon, and I'm surprised PJ never even touched on it. I'm not pitching this as an actual possibility but, Quentyn 's Targaryen blood could've afforded him some heat resistance. (Not immunity, I know that was a Daeny one off and that wasn't even immunity, more like extreme resistance. Did lose her hair) So if Rhaegol didn't hit him with a full blast, he might not have been burned fatally or to an extent that would debilitate him. And if he survived then Rhaegol might recognize him as blood of the dragon and accept him as a rider.
That being said, although possible this scenario doesn't make narrative sense. Quentyn is definitely dead.
☠️🔥 RIP
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I think it's interesting about the white city across from Kings landing. Cerise also has a dream or maybe desire to do the same. I have the feeling lord Butterwells had the same dream when designing his pure white castle 🏰 near Harrenhal if I remember correctly the wood was all done with weirwood as well which is surprising because I thought Harrenhal was the last talked about castle being built using wood from weirwoods that was not to long prior to Butterwlls castle I was always curious where they got so much weirwood to build to castle within maybe 100 year window. I don't think harrenhall was predominantly weirwood but I feel like I recall it saying it had some and they either left one for the gods wood or they planted one but its not to far from gods eye or high heart I wonder just how many weirwood left standing there really are in the Riverlands.
12:27 Hey, I don't go around telling you how to enjoy your foods and beverages!
is this about the frogs
@@DavidLightbringer yes. Eating frogs and drinking in complete darkness is the best lol
37 mins Tyrion was super crafty as Hand.
Great stream!
My head cannon is dragons produce Hydrogen and have Hydrogen sacks which they can ignite to breathe fire and also make flying easier , they are like living Hindenburg's basically 😅 Another great stream BTW (y)
What an interesting scientific approach to dragons. I like it! Good on you!
@@jayteeblues ahh thankyou! I thought that was sarcasm at first because of the poop comment! Science= Magic ✨
I can see The Tattered Prince going home, to gather support and start to undermine Illyrio. If Dany lster learns, about the hole fAegon plot, we could hear about it of page that she supported a coup de tatters over there.
1:55:25 I wonder if dragon fire is related to wild fire. Like maybe dragons are metabolizing the chemical liquid used in the making of wild fire. Like what Cersei used to destroy the sept of Baylor. Not sure if this is just a show thing. I like JUST started reading book 1 on my own
Do not go in there: The Quentyn Martell story😂
2:08:26 I thought Jace gets push into dragon dung in Fire and Blood when Vaegar gets claimed.
Arya when with the Brotherhood without Banners, knew to follow orders. Dummy didn't let the dragons finish eating. You shouldn't mess with dogs, while eating. QM the Hotpie of Dorne!
ohyeah the beatles with tyrion too
Maybe it's just another layer of support from an ally 🤔 Clearly Dany thinks that Illyrio is her ally but the reality is he's plotting against her this whole time. Maybe Barristan thinks that having a second ally in Pentos is a good idea?
Twenty five minutes in. Love the look LML! Let that hair flow. Thank you both so much for doing this follow up stream. Think George is reverse foreshadowing SummerHall?
" I am Dorne" and the belief he must be the hero ....echo of Egg and others convinced that they must be the hero, burn, and be the dawn?
If we get twow ill be happy even if he doesn't get ados done. Maybe hes writing both and is waiting till both are finished or something i really hope he gets to finish ot cause it might be the greatest story of the 21st century. Maybe in the future it will be mistaken for true history
Algorithm sacrifice 🎉
It was Zorn, Patton & Yoko
good knowledge
1:00:16 listen. Everyone needs to know about the lizard people you must be a lizard person in order to bond with a dragon. Telling everybody to go watch Draco morph theory.
Having a bias based on someone skin color falls squarely into the category of racism. Period. It may not be the Jim Crow law kind of racism, but it is indeed squarely on the spectrum of racism. And there is a spectrum. The problem is people giving and accepting a small slender definition of racism in order to excuse other behavior that is most definitely racism. David’s position around Nettles is instinctively fair and inclusive. That is fantastic. And it’s not like the fandom of fantasy hasn’t been suffering from the delusion that brown skinned people are either not present, or are only present in some basal level. In nettles case the bias come in thr for that she just can’t have high valarian blood because why….she’s brown skinned. That total BS!
thank you, yeah, it makes me uncomfortable, especially given that the story seems written so that we will view the people in the story who question Nettles as being biased by her looks. And then when you go deeper, it just makes no sense that you don't need dragon blood to bond with dragons
I always assumed the dragons were female Rhaegal / Rhaenys and Viserion / Visenya and then Drogon = Aegon
re gout discussion at 5:30 I love Tim but he seems to be wrong here. Apparently dietary causes account for about 12% of gout. (Other factors include genetics, physical trauma and certain medical conditions, esp. kidney related.) SO not really fair to Doran or RL gout patients.
I think the Dragons may have a parthenogenesis thing going on.
Excellent stream!
But you didn't answer my second superchat! 😢
I’m sorry, this has almost nothing to do with your stream but I DESPISE the term “Global South”. It’s meant to be a less offensive substitute for the term “Third World” and coming up with a new term to replace that one is fine. But I can’t stand the fact that they chose a direction as part of this new term, a direction many of the places you would use it to refer to are not. It just reads as wildly inaccurate to me and I think we can do better. “Global South” is a first draft AT BEST!
Lol he got the Rico from Belly cut
David you look so cute!
What up fellas!! Tim I’m liking your breakdowns!! Y’all bout to be mad at me. But more often than not Preston Jacob’s is closer to the truth than he’s not. First Quentyn is alive is not his theory even he has said that. I’m not sure y’all debunked the theory. I didn’t hear y’all mention the oil on the whip or anything. Arch’s hands are wrapped up right? So how do we know his hands are actually burned? What prisoner is Missandei told to cover up? Shouldn’t they have said to cover up the prince not the prisoner? I’m not saying I believe the theory. LML made an excellent point I’m not sure the theory accounted for and that’s dragonfire is no ordinary fire. It’s magical. I just don’t think we should be close minded to most theories until it’s really broken down and analyzed properly.
don't mess with animals when they're eating. even domesticated animals like dogs and cats are unlikely to tolerate it.
Just another example as to how un-thought-out this plan was. 🤷🏻♀️