PLO LUMUMBA: Kenya's Problem Is Our Obsession With The Presidency
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A PLO interview is always a wealth of insight. Thank you for this one
Always great to listen to this great man PLO Lumumba.....
I follow this guy in all platforms,,
He deserves a seat in all African countries or president of United Africa
Apart from speeches what has he done to deserve the seat. Just give him a radio station and have him make those speeches all day. Let him motivate those who are actually doing things out here.
You should, perhaps, pay more attention to the gist of what he is saying, away from the bombast.
He was once in charge of anti corruption body.Whst did he do?
@@njuhinyararaofficial
Instead of growing some legal teeth and doing something against corruption using that powerful office, PLO went on his usual rhetoric and lamentations about how his work was being obstructed. *Blaming is easier than doing!*
His stint at the Anti-corruption Agency came down with a thud. It was quite underwhelming and unremarkable, whichever way one slices and dices it. He dashed everybody's hope and proved himself, in essence, as just one of them, or at best, a noise-making nuisance to the other fellow corruption club members.
@@ajwango478 are you in Kenya or were you in kenya during his time in office 🤔
PLO is a national treasure
Infact he's the continental treasure (world).
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PLO much salute for the wisdom you have 🎉
My mega question is how can there be peace where injustice prevails. People steal from public coffers left, right and are not punished. Infact are awarded with Government positions.
Some of the few professors l can listen to all day
What a towering statesman, doing civic duty. You spoke to my mind. Indeed Kenyans we need an overhaul in mindset. Ethnicity, mob rule and corruption would be a thing of the past.
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Professor PLO Lumumba has spoken well. The Supreme Court voted 7 - 0 to uphold the IEBC announcement on the presidential elections. Opinion polls may have suggested that RAO should have won. Our gut feelings may have suggested that RAO should have won. But we have to respect our institutions.
*@ellyobwaka2730*
From a standpoint of pure formality, yes! However, from the political reality of our country, we should stop pretending and desist from calling a spade a big spoon, like the Professor is seemingly inviting us to do.
Everything is not as clear-cut and as simplistic as you appear to be intimating. Formality, especially legalistic formality and pettifoggery, is what has played havoc with this country, and is what will finally do in this unfortunate country.
The clever unscrupulous mind manipulators amongst us have learnt that the most important thing is to appear to be formally right or correct; and they are exploiting this collective myopia to the hilt, by making us accept things which have no basis neither in commonsense, nor in empirical evidence.
How do you respect a rougue court.
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Exactly! The Professor seems to think that simply going through the motions is enough.
This is the trouble with reactionary African pseudo-intellectuals, with their pretentious know-it-all attitudes, coupled with total lack of imagination.
They get formal education, go into formal employment, behave in a formal, perfunctory way, and therefore, can never be agents of meaningful or earth-shaking, paradigm-shifting change, to make our countries scale the ladder to the next level. The rigidity of thought kills everything.
The professor, for example, identifies the Kenyan political problems correctly, but the possible solutions he advances are :- wait for this, more of the same!, essentially, or a slightly tweaked variation of the status quo.
The court system and many of the institutions in Kenya suffer from the same problem of *formality* of their approach and almost codified corruption and laziness of thought.
It would appear that people are not trained in our country to think, rather they are trained to be mere cogs in the wheel, with no agency over themselves, stupidly repeating the same mantras and treating offices and institutions as holy cows.
PLO speaks well but has not addressed the causes of post election stand offs! Lumumba's idea of political hygiene is not viable in countries where institutions ie IEBC are independent on paper, but are operating on the principle of the highest bidder wins. The staff are unreliable and are not neutral! Say if what we've been told by other commissioners are true, how can a chairman tally elections results privately and then declare a winner? Who is going to respect such a result? Is it that we just have to have "political hygiene" and move on!!?
Eii. I need a glass of water. Too much wisdom here!
Honestly I have not yet feel the freedom of my country and always put me in tears 😭 as I remember the way am taxed and get poor service in return and theft of my tax it pains really I can't imagine how I feel whenever i see injustice done to me or my fellow countrymen it's so sad really 😭😭😭
In the name of peace..Amen!
PLO, we are privileged to have a man of your type and full of wisdom in our country. The brightest man in our country.
People like PLO Lumumba and omtatah deserve all the good things in life. Just imagine if these kinds of people were the presidents and VPs of our country?
Our obsession with presidency. I dare say the discussion is even suggesting the opposite, making the presidency less "powerful/relevant" by making local systems (devolution) work.
Its easy to imagine boss. They would quicky turn into crooks. Power corrupts absolutely and quickly. No one is immune. Tuache kudanganyana.
I can't say much about Omtata, but PLO has been tested and he failed the intergrity test while he was the CEO of EACC. He received a bribe from a person who was being investigated by EACC. He can only become a bigger bribe taker if he ascends to the office of the presidency.
@njuggiendeere4066 Not true, there are leaders in worldwide are not corrupt even in Africa
@@1andeyo OK. Name ONE leader in Africa who is not corrupt. One.
When PLO speaks, does anyone have a choice apart from to listen? His way with words always amazes me. Intelligent, wise, clever, smart, informed and always willing to give an answer even when you think the question is out of place! These are the people that needs to dominate our screens not politicians and other people who have no clue of the subject. We would be learning a lot
48:17 minutes "and always willing to give an answer even when you think the question is out of place!"
Big minds I LOVE THE KNOWLEDGE AND POLITENCE AND CALMNESS OF PLO 100%....I SALUTE U SIRS AND MADAM
Professor PLO is Kenya's precious treasure
Wise ,intelligent and very creative.
I love this man .His mind is extraordinary.
When Lumumba talk I can't fault anything but chew the truth and learn, that part of Matiba challenging result and disagree with the judges but accept the outcome and the words he used oooh my, those are the words leaders of today should listen to
This is a solid, mature and applicable discussion that can be harnessed in many African nations. Profound thoughts from PLO impressive!
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I can listen to this guy over and over until sunset. A quintessential lawyer, who has his words in order and understands the constitutional and political terrain of Kenya.
PLO,justice is greater than peace...we don't need to debate that ...where there's justice, peace align itself to it.
Mature talk. This's where you sit down and learn. I always look forward to this kind of intellect and dialogue.
As a Central Kenya resident I can confirm having one of your own at the top most seat in the land will never ever help a community. All I need now is to have a governor who knows his/her mandate in matters devolution
Yiu are wrong. Devolved govts receive only about 15% of national revenue. The rest remains with national govt. 15% over 47 county govt leads to only 0.3% per county while 85% remains with national govt.
I realized that Citi is as wise as PLO their conversation is top notch God BLess PLO and the entire crew of Spice FM
PLO Lumumba is the greatest man in Africa. He is a passionate lawyer. He is intellectual, brilliant, clever and patriotic but he is genuine and most lawyers lie. PLO can be a president and he is like natembeya
But prof, how can we have a robust parliament when defection is rife and opposition members are being bought like njugu. ?
He is a zakayo parrot...he cannot criticize him
MPs can belong anywhere
It's how they debate, support policy and hold govt executive to account
@@gwimbiumuteza5059exactly. It is all about policies and laws
The main question to Lumumba should be,should we trust our institution when we know time and time again it has failed us over and over again?Should we keep quiet on injustice just to veil ourselves on the idea of having a false peace ?
Lumumbas Philosophy is to maintain peace in the face of everything wrong with the institution,that is not a philosophy on which you lay your foundation,peace cannot exist in its true form without Justice.
Sometimes a revolt is needed or civil disobedience is needed as proposed by Henry David Thoreau because the government does not always deliver its mandate to the people and also the governemnt and its components are not omniscient,they get things wrong from time to time.
Lumumbas philosophy is too idealistic,we need to be very realistic about how we view institutions and if Kenyan institutions were Ideal,opening the server should not be looked at as a taboo thing for an opposition leader to ask,its his right as someone who participated in the election.The only way in this instance where as Kenyans we are going to trust the intitution is by IEBC opening the server and allows a forensic examination to be done,other wise what is there to trust in such an institution ?
I never get enough of this guy PLO
"Peaceprenuers" never fail to disappoint, they scare us with with peace so that we accept injustice...
Precisely! Peace does not mean justice and sometimes just means sweeping dirt under the carpet
@@wangarikariuki6522 , people like PLO Lumumba are some of the reasons Kenya is a mess. There can never be peace without JUSTICE - something that the likes of PLO never realize.
@@FredMugoneYou have wisdom and you have a great future too. He's smooth with words but the substance is empty. He can't understand what happened in 2002 when Uhuru conceded elections. Then he goes ahead mention 2007, 2017 etc as if he wasn't around. If you call him a scholar then something must be really wrong because he's playing cheap politics that will continue to destroy Africa. He finds comfort in the company of dictators like Museveni and he doesn't know any pain of giving birth and raising a family coz he's got none. A senior bachelor on a mission to destroy Africa.
You are right,they preach peace as though Kenyans have been at war since independence. They can't dare talk about the reason why there is lack of the so called''peace'' -which is justice the underlying issues - causative agents for wrangles in every elections are swept under the carpet. We only seek for temporary cure for otherwise a long time wound.
my fren. If you are soo brave, why don`t you go stone riot police? Let alone the police or government, just walk from Nairobi CBD, through Gikomba, to eastlands alone at night, say from around 9.00 PM on foot. After that dose with reality, go back to your safe keyboard and narrate the experience.
You have very many options another one that is more realistic is an invitation to visit wajir or mandera, far from major urban centers, hire a vehicle and just drive there sightseeing.
Acha ukumbaff.
If you cannot shut up for a few moments after a dose of wisdom such as the one delivered by PLO, then you are below contempt, very ignorant.
Good to have sober minds speak, reminding us we are still in a country called Kenya, people who know our rot, where we are coming from, where we are and the hole we are heading into.
I DONT AGREE THERE SHOULD BE RULE OF LAW AND JUSTICE WE WILL NOT ACCEPT CHAOS. PROF UOU MIGHT NOT LIKE RAILA BUT IN THIS ONE YOU ARE WRONG SUPPORTING IMPUNITY AND CORRUPTION IS THE PROBLEM
NO WITHOUT JUSTICE THERE IS NOTHING GET IT RIGHT PROF LUMUMBA PLEASE GET IT RIGHT
JUSTICE PROVIDES PEACE GET IT RIGHT. TOO PHYLOSOPHICAL . TOO WESTERN IN THINKING
TALK TALK TALK BUT DO NOT THINK OF ATTACKING RAILA PLEASE WE ARE NAD ENOUGH
OH STOP IT WE DONT HAVE TO ACCEPT CORRUPTION SPARE US
The Greatest of all times. PLO
I'm always not tied to hear from this professor and man of God! be blessed.
I wish presidency would rotate automatically to all different ethnic groups - just for 5 years to facilitate all groups lead without waiting for so long. Then we carry on the policies of the previous leader instead of always re-inventing the wheel in all matters covered in the 22 ministries, so policies SHOULD be made for common good for ALL.
Good wish. But not realistic.
Very intelligent PLO.
AWESOME TALK WITH PROF!
I can't believe Kenyans rejected this great man when he was at the helm of EACC
I think it's not Kenyans but a few politicians
@@gilbertiha6144who chooses those politicians?
Kenyans didn’t reject him, the imbeciles Kenyans elected created a difficult environment for him to do his job.
It was politically instigated
@@user-li7wb9ji6zwhat did we Kenyans do to punish those that removed him?we still admire them as our Kings 😂
Knowledge is in PLO Lumumba's brains, PLO Lumumba is the man who should be the president of Kenya.
Respect should flow out from leaders and politicians first not the other way round like you said.
Debate in parliament. That's the Key. HOWEVER, with the perennial eviscerating opposition in parliament through coercion, healthy debate has been starved. That's the elephant in the room.
Absolutely right.We elected hyenas, wolves and sheep and are now devouring and prostituting each other in parliament.
The story about alternatives from opposition that plo is talking about is total bullshit. And i respect the man so much that i don't expect such bull from him
Infact I thought by creating Counties the purpose was to distribute power to the people and strengthen power locally and stop making Central Government
The central government has never left the power and resources to go devolved units.. Counties only receive 15% of the revenue and central government takes 85%.
If it was about distributing resources to the people the government should at least give 35 % to all counties Equally but wait they cannot do that because they want to embezzle funds
Am kayigamba from Republic of Rwanda I like you Lumumba
It is good to listen to you, Sir.
As people comment on PLO's brilliance, I can't fail to also wonder the brilliance of CT Muga,that man is a deep thinker too. Luos are intelligent to be honest 😅
Intelligence has ethnicity Sir
Personally I struggle to find that in him
In fact, I always think he is the 'naive' one who is always thrown in to neutralise the brilliance of the other 2, the way radio stations fix comedians
I may be wrong regardless
Listening to the spice trio has been the best thing that happened to my adult life. The trio command and sobriety in topical issues in kenya is a helpful informed choice.
You have taken the words right out of my mouth. I admire his ability to think independently and see alternative views in every situations no matter the expertise of the speaker
It's my first time watching your video and I love it!!
PLO is WRONG! The problem is not
" OBSESSION WITH PRESIDENCY". It is
" POOR GOVERNANCE"
No you are wrong it is presidential obsession as he said. The power and greed the presidency have
Both can be true at the same time
It is obsession!!!!.
Team Baba...hamwezi kubali ukweli😅😅PLO is absolutely right💯💯
Both realities exist in the same same sphere, the presidency is where billions of tax payers money is well looted well protected, everyone wants to be president of this crime scene banana republic called Kenya
I am a Kenyan but what I see in Kenya really makes me sick, everyday is just corruption,politics and so on.
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You finally did it,you brought the chosen one
Am happy that in Kenya we still have smart minds...thanks professor.
The Feel Good Effect Theory is very True
I have one question: What if our politicians are a representative sample of the rest of us?
Kenyans are peaceful in nature. That is why there was peace after the elections & supreme court judgement.
It is our leaders who inscite their supporters to cause violence
We are facing poor governance as a result of politicians utilizing intentional gaps left in our constitution. This can be easily noted by gradual use constitution amendment process(Referendum) to make new political formations. Why don"t we have a properly drafted constitution that brings political sanitation and bestows power to the people. We can borrow a leaf from South Africa.
Phantasmagoria to the Fullest
My professor ❤..i love your speechs outside kenya alot..africa love you
If Lumumba and Maraga runs for the highest office together, they will change kenya, at the moment, what we have opposition and those in power are just the same.
The country is better of ran by Economists than lawyers
@@eshiyosalat7211Why should choices be made between economists abd lawyers? Are those the only professional callings available? Should the presidency be a preserve of either of the two professions?
Who is maraga💩💩please don't make me vomit
@@eshiyosalat7211 and who are these economists currently in government? Gachagwa/Ruto?
@@mourice1669 Gashagwa knows nothing economics the guy was merely a D.o and a one term mp.
@ situation room Thanks for inviting PLO Lumumba to explore the geography and structures of our foolishness.
Prof. Has enlightened me on how ethnicity is embedded in my country Kenya
Does raila has to place on negotiation table miili ya wakenya... seriously!!!😮😢😢all the time.... that has been hallmark of his political career
Government kills it's own through gunshot and you blame it on Raila.
You should be next on line to see the psychiatrist 😢😢😢
If you have not known that the right to picket and thus demonstration is constitutional then more pity to your person😢😢
@@rosekoboge9766does picketing involve destruction of property? It's a shame that we close our eyes not to see injustice in our sides. Yes the government has not managed the situation well.
You will soon be blaming Raila for your genetically related stupidity. Try and put a little sense into your arguments.
@@Wakereu On sabasaba day there was a peaceful demonstration.
The demos are peaceful until the goons in uniform set on the people.
It's their duty to provide security to property and demonstrators.
So they are the ones that stolen sheep and cut trees at Northlands.
Reasoning can easily be manipulated for some with skewed views.
@@rosekoboge9766 why cant he get into handshake negotiating table before 1 live is lost... this are his political brothers they have personal phone numbers of each other,... sickening strategy
Prof is right,but our biggest handicap is at the party electoral process. Majority of the people who ended up as MP's were assembled for their leaders lustful ambitions but not the mwananchi and the country.
When outside Kenya, PLO is a wonderful speaker
Back home, he gambles.
Justice prevails peace.
Unless electoral injustices are addressed, we shall never have peace let alone any reasonable devpt.
"UnschooledProffessor"! You look and sound much more as a perfectly schooled one😊. You've summarised it in the tidiest possible way.
Africa we are blessed by God with PLO shame that Africa doesn't listen to him.
the bomas draft was hijacked...this is the most important convetsation.kenya must have
It's a fact the problem with our politics is not bad elections it's always going to be about" MTU WETU " I think people who are constitional experts should sit down and find a way every Tribe is represented in government through Nomination as compared to being elected
Rather borrow a leaf from our neighbors south of us.
But what is the point in appointing incompetence for the sake of accommodating every one. The problem in kenya is tribalism period and like racism it will never end
@@mourice1669 Is competence found only in some tribes? Wasn't 60 years of self-rule enough time for the Govt to ensure that adequate competencies are nurtured and encouraged to flourish in all communities?
❤❤❤ loved 🥰 hearing from PLO GOD BLESS.
Wow, what a great discussion, you should have the Prof on more often. Thanks.
PLO we need u as the advissor in chief 2 the precidency; position reserved 4 Artony general......
Correction PLO the Constituency Development Fund was a brain child of Engineer Karue then MP for Kipipiri long before the 2010 constitution. The good Engineer may have looked at the Ugandan version of devolution for inspiration. However, Martin Shikuku, he of the blessed memory, had way back in the eighties (or was it seventies) put up the Butere Constituency Development Fund with a monthly token of 10% from his then small Bunge salary. Karue's CDF had a smooth intro courtesy of late Oloo Aringo who helped to establish the Parliamentary Service Commission with own budget separate from the executive.
Former ol kalou mp.
Indeed, peace is necessary in our society.
There was nothing to debate in parliament PLO the numbers were one sided towards a particular goal not in favour of the citizens but to show who is in authority.
He writes before he raising a public complaint. I like that very much.
The victor still singing the war songs!!!
You mean Arap Carmago?
Exactly. You wonder what could even satisfy the rainmaker, probably a pound of flesh.
prof is excellent even if i rarely respond on You tube he's right communication is critical for any future president reading this Speaking less and communication and civic education is the basics of good governance infact when a president speak he has the biggest microphone and calm even the most least trustful person of him in the country
Awesome conversation.
This is so sad to hear that marginalized people don't understand what they have the things we need......
God bless PLO. Please keep on telling Kenyan politicians the truth.
What a brilliant conversation so informative and thought provoking .Well done
Lumumba wants to look at the constitution while he opposed the BBI.
PLO should be the first president of the Federation of African States. His ideas are very progressive.
We want Majimboism (federalism)
That’s great talking points by PLO Kenya people must wake up and follow the tribalism is really and must be addressed by creating constitutional office for each tribesmen!not one or two tribes take it All! But bwana mashamba ufisadi daima alliance Ruto mtapeli hatoshi kwa rais yeye akili ndogo!
Very lively conversation on the state of Kenya and good analysis of how to solve this issues.
Very interesting and insightful conversations. I admire the brilliance of PLO
What rumumba is forgeting is that the time ruto bought mps, that is when his idea could not work.
Good Prof
Civil learning experience is need in country. Writing letters on problems in nation.
I think the biggest blame is to the voters. Imagine the residents of Kamukunji Constituency rejected PLO Lumumba as MP in favor of Simon Mbugua. We get the leaders we deserve. It was great listening to PLO's wisdom.
Thank u, that was awesome,!!!
This is a good example of discussions that can serve the purpose of emancipating the political leaders and the electorate. Development of Kenya will start at the grassroots. Why are we not complaining about graft in our counties?
Love this content by the media
It's unfortunate we all blame Ruto after a six piece election.Even Governors,MCAs are demonstrating after being elected to serve Kenyans.Maybe Dr Oukot needs to bring back the Punguza Mzigo discussions.Why all these Leaders if we all want only Ruto to solve our Problems .
Kenyans MUST here this.....
There can never be a model of democracy that will work for Africans...we need to realize we are states out of convenience..in reality we are all people of many Nations and we need to embrace and appreciate our cultural social and political differences and let them be the foundation of all our decisions...we can never run away from our TRIBAL heritage we are an Ethnic and Communal people.
We can federalize. Each tribe to manage its affairs
NO MODERN JOB CREATION.
NO SOLAR POWER IN AFRICA.
NO INCINERATORS IN AFRICA FOR RUBBISH....
Firstly please note that Tanzanian republic started with far more tribes than Kenya. Under Nyerere's selfless and visionary leadership he taught Tanzanians to put Tanzania before their tribes. Kenya,with fewer tribes set about tribalizing the country and giving advantage to some tribes over others. Tribalism became a way of life. Kenya's curse is deficiency in leadership. Just the other day, Kagame started off with an extremely ethnically polarised country. In a few short years, he has forced/imposed an Rwandan identity and made Rwandans be proud of their identity and nationalistic.
@@georgeodhiambo598 we see CRAZY PREACHERS IN KENYA and SHAKAHOLA CULT etc
my all time mentor ,PLO...Making sense.
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All this talk is cheap without action,electorate maturity and integrity is core solutions to all our problems
Great episode!
Bravo 👏 👏 👏
PLO Lumumba out here oozing wisdom
I love this