@Edgycooyou ran away from our last chat, did that truth hurt. Can we please talk about how your scrums got bullied, which I told you before the game was going to happen 😂
@Edgycoo you still haven't told me why it upsets you so much your scrum couldnt handle the Boks scrum😂 ABs scrum got bullied, i told ya it was going to happen 😂
How lucky are we that we have a severe passion for something that invokes so many emotions. Thankfully right now our team makes it super special to support them.
Hell yeah 😁, the last time we won 3 in a row was 15 years ago, the last time we won 4 in a row was 1951, this bok generation is already up there with the best. 4 wins in a row against NZ added to 2 world cups and a lions series makes them contenders for the GOAT of bok teams.
Kids of today don't know the agony of supporting the Boks through some of the bad, tough eras. Long may this last.... and with the quality of depth coming through I can't see us dropping out of the top 3 of the rankings anytime soon. If NZ, IRE and FRA (and ENG?) stay as good as they are, and all dueling for the #1 spot, the global game will be better for it.
Very good point made. The Boks are doing what the AB used to do, winning matches they are supposed to lose coming from behind. This is a sign of a great team, winning when not at their best. Says a lot about their self belief.
The knockout game at the World Cup actually taught us something about this resilient team. I think that was the beginning of this trait with this Springbok team. They are something special. They are developing to something we may never have seen before. Especially if they defend the World Cup again!
Reminded me of the 1998 Tri-Nations game. Boks down 23-5 with 15 minutes left to play, Boks came back to beat the AB's 24-23. Funny enough last 3 tries in 1998 game were scored by scrumhalf, No8 and Hooker same as this weekend. 😂
I was at that match in 98 in Durban, I lost my voice for a week, it was a fantastic comeback against Taine Randall's all blacks and after the RWC final in '95 this thas the sweetest bok win in the 90's imo.
One big reason the Boks won the game, there’s no team in the world that could turn on the pressure like they do and forcing teams to make crucial mistakes period!
The Boks did the same against England in the last world cub...when the Boks were 8 points down with about 10 minutes to go...and they made a plan to force a scrum & then a penalty on their 25m, kick onto the opposition 15m, win the line out and then get that try with the forwards! They then forced another scrum penalty and Pollard performed, as usual, and kicked that important penalty!! This is what the Boks do and make a plan...and then just do it!! 🏉🤜
Scott Gibbs is a brilliant analyst , I like the way they underplay his career as an international.My Welsh mate still likes to mention him bumping off Os Du Rant as a Lions centre on tour here.
I was at the game, you could see in the first half, the SA pack was much much better than the NZ pack, the Kiwis got lucky with the ref making poor calls on the scrums. All of the game you had a feeling like the Boks are better and can switch things on at will. NZ is a fantastic side, but the Boks are just special.
Rule 11.5 b. A player rips or knocks the ball from an opponent and the ball goes forward from the opponent’s hand or arm. If you look at that rule, the tri stands.
If all the above events occurred 'over the line' then you may have credence ...but he wasn't! It could've been a knock-on anywhere on the pitch but his body still isn't over the line upon grounding. Not even a finger nail
@Mumbo_Jumbo_Kiwi.1 Why would the ref who is standing right there and would have a view better than anyone else call it a try if his body wasn't over the line? You can look at all camera angles till the cows come home, but he is the one who could see it best.
@@Mumbo_Jumbo_Kiwi.1 Please stop being stupid. No where does it say it has to be over the line and I quote. " b.5 A player rips or knocks the ball from an opponent and the ball goes forward from the opponent's hand or arm"
Peter steph de toit came through the middle of the maul with no obstruction, SA fans just want to try find something to overrule the knock on try from the boks
@nateepp2410 You're flat out wrong NZ pundits agree with OP 6min30: th-cam.com/video/WN2Rr0IFGlM/w-d-xo.htmlsi=OG6uZliXFfDQQw5z People like you just want to focus on bongis try so you can claim you were hard done by. Learn the rules
Great game, well done boks. ABs have raw talent and played well, but SA too good and are number one for a reason. This raw talent will learn a lot, and we need 12 months (ABs). You guys also have a couple of great new raw talent.
How often is a test match played with no less than three World Player of the Year winners. This is why we enjoyed such an epic match. Under such pressure are diamonds 💎 formed.
Bloody Boks winning all the moments down stretch!! ABs def got a lil tight an Boks did their thing… that 65 minute turnover an breakout was probaly key turning point in game that Hulk Hogan moment 😂😂 good stuff,much love from kiwi land go ABs back ur Bench razor regardless of experience and whomever it may be!
Bongi try was fine; rule 11(5)b, it wasnt a knock on. The ball is not knocked-on, and play continues, if: A player rips or knocks the ball from an opponent and the ball goes forward from the opponent’s hand or arm.
@@OskarBosco-o2w Wasnt a knock on though. We could pick it all apart for ages, like why wasnt NZ penalised for approaching Sacha before his runup on the conversion causing him to hesitate and the shot clock to run down. Boks lost the conversion points due to that and no penalty given either. Try stands and all fair on balance.
@@ad2040because they were trying to talk to the ref to say it was clearly not a try Sacha shouldve never taken the conversion anyways Jordi Barrett was clearly trying to hold the ball up clear separation as bongi lost the ball there was no applied pressure to knock the ball out of his hands so your rule doesn't stand
Thank you Gentlemen. I liked your Post Mortem on the match. My prediction is that some BIG GUNS will return for the Boks, with Sia and others out on crutches, Rassie has a free hand to juggle and Brew a Pot of BOKS to meet the AB;s head-on in a MIGHTY SHOWDOWN coming!
Think would be awesome to get Pollard and Willie a start this week, maybe pop Fassi on the wing with Kurt-Lee being on CP, but Mapimi will probably get the call up
For All Blacks supporters: In regards to Bongi’s try controversy, if you rewatch it in slow motion you will see although the ball was dislodged from him - the ball doesn't actually go forward - there is still enough downward force to deem it a try - was he in full control? No - but in theory it's no different than a player juggling a ball before regathering and scoring. Something we have seen time and time again. With that being said, fair enough, the ball was dialoged from him by an All Black hand but the ball never goes forward. And lastly there isn't enough separation - he still has enough control and downward pressure. According to Rule 11.5B, the ball is not considered "knocked-on," and play continues if a player rips or knocks the ball from an opponent, causing the ball to go forward from the opponent's hand or arm. Ball is always in contact with the forearm and also does not go forward. By the time it's grounded it's firmly in contact. It was a perfect try. Lost backwards and recovered. Perfect try. Makes up for the try that wasnt awarded to us at Mountsmart last year. 1. The Boks should have been awarded a penalty try. 2. Your flyhalf kicked the ball after the time had expired. 3. Your captain broke Kolisi’s cheekbone with a high tackle. 4. Sacha’s kick was disallowed using the same rule that allowed MacKenzie’s kick. So, claiming that the All Blacks were robbed is unreasonable. Even if that try had been disallowed, we would have still won the match. There were unfair calls for both teams. It also took 9 infringements before you got a team warning, we got a yellow card for our first infringement, so let's not talk about the ref. If we’re saying Bongi’s try shouldn’t have counted, then we should also say the All Blacks’ first try shouldn’t have counted because there was an obstruction during their lineout driving maul. There were two All Blacks players ahead of the ball in the maul, which I believe was incorrect when they came down. It's a technical infringement, but still an infringement-it's offside. A referee and TMO pair who were having a better day would have gone back and checked that. Plus, Damian’s conversion should not have stood since it was taken after the shot clock. 31-27. Take away Bongi's unconverted try because the shot clock was at 0, and take away Damian's conversion because that was after the shot clock and was allowed...It comes to SA 26 - NZ 25. South Africa win by 1 point. According to World Rugby Law 11.1(b), a knock-on occurs when a player loses possession of the ball and it goes forward. However, if the ball is dislodged but does not travel forward and the player maintains downward pressure, it is not necessarily a knock-on. Law 12.1(a) allows a player to legally score a try if they have possession of the ball, and if it’s judged that they had enough control and the ball did not go forward, the try stands. The crucial factor is whether the ball moved forward, not whether the player had to regather it.
@@HeeniKeke Considering Bongi’s try has been reviewed and confirmed by the referees post-game, it’s clear that the official decision stands. It’s surprising to see Bryan Habana, despite his expertise, misinterpret the rules here. Perhaps, in this case, it’s worth trusting the referee’s judgment over personal opinions.
@@TG_20014 As far as I’m concerned, too many decisions and calls by referee were wrong. Even our first AB try never should have been given. People need to focus on the real issue…and that is that there are too many rules now in rugby and it seems like lousy referee calls are now going to be epicentre of every game from now on. Hope all fans can stop attacking each other, because that’s fast way for people to move away from this great sport.
@@HeeniKeke It's true that rugby has a lot of rules, and refs can get things wrong. But dismissing valid tries and blaming everything on ref errors doesn’t help anyone. Instead of arguing, let's focus on making the game better and keeping the discussion fair.
After a request by Planet Rugby, World Rugby match officials confirmed that the Mbonambi try was the correct decision. Barrett knocked the ball on, it went backwards for Mbonambi and then he scored the try, just before the line, but then his momentum moved the ball over the line. So, contrary to the Cody Taylor try, Mbonambi's try was legit.
Come on dude. I'm as staunch a bok supporter as you can get but that was a knock on. Sometimes refs miss things. Feel thankful it's in our favour for a change.
Come on dude. I'm as staunch a bok supporter as you can get but that was a knock on. Sometimes refs miss things. Feel thankful it's in our favour for a change.
Yeah I also think that Barret moved the ball, he didn't dislidge the ball completely and Bongi still maintained contact with the ball until it was grounded, so that was a 50/50 call, the decision went the boks way this time whereas in the past we have had those close calls go against us.
Scott Gibbs predicted a Springbok loss because he believed both Sacha and Fassi was inexperienced, and the AB's would exploit these positions. Nortje and Ben Jason-Dixon was also inexperienced but never mentioned them. Because of this I unfortunately wont take his opinions seriously going forward.
Boks should be just as frustrated w the TMO as the ABs. Kolisi has a busted face and the opening AB try shouldn’t have been given either. We shouldn’t be talking about the officiating but here we are, once again …..
Amazing how almost everyone assumes because a player loses control of a ball then there is no try however the rules state as the ball is dislodged in a contact situation (Barrett) as long as there is no knock-on (there was not) all Bongi has to do now is fall on the ball (he did) try is rightfully awarded.
Good points Guys.. Can you please resolve Scott's chair squeeck??. 1stly Bongi was not a try... 1st NZ try was also not a try. So NZ get 10min against 14 and +2points.... The Boks made alot of errors so id be afraid of them clicking at some point. NZ kicked on the backfoot ball and then the other kicks were to long at altitude, it was ill disciplined which is what cost them the game.... They were lucky not to have 2 more players carded for infringement in the red zone. Whenever Ardie is not making more than 2m a run you know the AB are beatable.. South Africa might make 9 changes next week, which is a horrid situation for the opponents and the coaching staff.
I feel that ball was ripped, then it's play on and Bongi falls on it. I don't see the issue. Quick question please watch the replay again and tell me why Bongi lost control.
Selection this week will definitely be different!! I reckon he'll pack on the experience (with a dash of new talent) to close this out. 🤞🏾 NZ will come back SWINGING!!!!!!!!!! 🙈
I watch the GAME again. I understand now what the Boks refer to as slow poisons. At 54min of the GAME, you could see the affect of the forwards on ABs. The GAME started to turned slowly. ABs had no answer for the Boks. Everyone is refer to the peak movement which was the last 65min of the GAME.
What about the tackle on Siya Kolisi? Sam Cane had a full-on head clash with him when he tackled him, which caused the possibly fractured cheek bone, and Same Cane didn't even receive a yellow card.
I am a Bok supporter, but you are wrong. Clearly not a rip. We were lucky with this one. Wonky decisions went both ways. The Boks won, lets just take it and hope they can make it 4 on the trot against the All Blacks. Was a great match. I am glad I purchase three very expensive tickets.
What you guys ignore is that the ball was knock out of Bongi's arm but went forward from the All-Black's hand. That brought advantage into play. Bongi then applied pressure on the ball and therefore a try
Hi guys.. I know most are saying that bongies try was not. However, too me. Bongies finger tips always stayed on the ball. Maby Tmo saw this too. If anything Abs were very lucky on many obvious calls like when the all black player was visually seen standing on the line when touching the ball. And others. 😊
Great show, everyone! What are your thoughts on Libbok getting a chance in the upcoming test? Let's not forget his impressive performance against the All Blacks at Twickenham. I suggest having either Pollard or Sasha at fullback for goal-kicking duties. Additionally, I believe Roos should be included on the flank.
Buuuuuuut, we botched 3: Jesse's forward pass; KLA not picking up in their 22; Fassi not passing inside. Opportunistic, but KLA nearly caught one from the kick-off. Could have been 4 x 7 on another day. I think the ABs played well. I think we didn't execute clinically, which is positive
Gents with respect , it should not be difficult for the Springboks to stay humble because they are not lightyears ahead of the rest . .. in fact luck ( some will call it grace) played a part in many many of their last games against the top 3 AB, Irish, France has been very very close .. granted as Gary Player said the more I practise ( prepare ) the luckier I get ....Brilliant show gents , thanks Scotty for your insight 👍
The Jeff Wilson, program, took out a chart, with all the rules, to show us, that the bongi try, was not a try. Only problem is, according to the rules, it was a try. There was no sepperation, between the forearm and wrist, there was downward pressure pressure, and the ball, never went forward. Enough said. There was a clear dislodging, between, the guys infront, of cody Taylor's try. So, if you take, those to scores, out of the game, the boks still wins. Enough said
I completely agree that the Bongi try was never a try, you could so clearly see it on his face no celebration. However, am I the only one who noticed that the TV director seemed more interested in showing the crowd than focusing on the game and replays? It felt like there were several missed replay opportunities and decisions that should have been reviewed more carefully.
Bongi try does not bother me, Boks were under advantage and even if the try was not allowed they would have gone corner again and maul should have scored and may even have caused ABs a yellow card in the process. So the ABs should be careful what they wish for.
Sorry, beg to differ in terms of '70 minutes and one team in it' It was anybody's game up until the last 20 minutes and WHO shifted into top gear in those last 20 ??? Don't know what game this comment heading was watching! Our Boks are skilful, brutal and fast! Always have been but only now the old schoolers are stepping back and permitting them to do so.
When the tmo turns a blind eye to a no try you have to question the one sided penalty count against the Allblacks, to me it's plain cheating, prove me wrong by giving a logical excuse the tmo would have to not call that a knock on
I'm sure Scotty smokes zol...the way he breathes in before he speaks is a dead giveaway. Grew up listening to Hendrix and Zepplin. You should see how my dad holds a cigarette...
They got lucky ,the knock on try got them home ,the Ref was completely out of position and he should have called in the TMO to check which was obvious .NO TRY KNOCK ON.....
The Bongi try occurred under advantage... Also, it was not a simple "knock on" as claimed as law 11B has interpretation and if Jordie knocked the ball out, Bongi could have recorded and score as he did... Do you believe Bongi knocked it on or was it dislodged by Jordie... The ABs are crying over spilt milk and the karma pendulum has swung after decades where they got away with dubious tactics and biased refs... The Boks can get significantly better... Can the ABs really improve? #GoBokke
@@altaafkader9675 When du Toit wins a gold medal at the Olympics ,maybe I will change my mind.And du Pont playing with a fractured cheekbone, against the Boks,and losing by a point,due to his brilliance,is pnominal.👌👌
@@JimmieCooper-le6vj PSDT almost had his whole leg amputated. And he came back from that to beat France at home and give back to back man of the match performances against the all blacks, one in a world cup final and one where he played in 3 different positions and was still world class in everything he did. He is the fine margin that keeps the springboks above everyone else. Du pont can shove his 7s gold medal and settle for second best
It's getting to be a bit of a joke the difference in quality from South African pundits comments vs that from NZ. I really want to thank you for the balanced and well considered comments gentlemen. I hope to see the lot of you at SA Rugby put together a show with some higher production value and deeper analysis, guests etc. I'm sure you'll have the audience for it...
I really appreciate this mature approach to rugby podcasting. Old heads sharing their views. Very cool show!
PSDT is currently the most influential player in World Rugby.
Should be player of the year 2024
Man of the match in different positions week in, week out lol
@Edgycoo "most influential player"
@Edgycooyou ran away from our last chat, did that truth hurt. Can we please talk about how your scrums got bullied, which I told you before the game was going to happen 😂
@Edgycoo reality that your scrum went backwards. How many penalties did the Boks get in the scrums?😂
@Edgycoo you still haven't told me why it upsets you so much your scrum couldnt handle the Boks scrum😂 ABs scrum got bullied, i told ya it was going to happen 😂
How lucky are we that we have a severe passion for something that invokes so many emotions. Thankfully right now our team makes it super special to support them.
Hell yeah 😁, the last time we won 3 in a row was 15 years ago, the last time we won 4 in a row was 1951, this bok generation is already up there with the best. 4 wins in a row against NZ added to 2 world cups and a lions series makes them contenders for the GOAT of bok teams.
Kids of today don't know the agony of supporting the Boks through some of the bad, tough eras.
Long may this last.... and with the quality of depth coming through I can't see us dropping out of the top 3 of the rankings anytime soon.
If NZ, IRE and FRA (and ENG?) stay as good as they are, and all dueling for the #1 spot, the global game will be better for it.
Facts!!! 😊
Very good point made. The Boks are doing what the AB used to do, winning matches they are supposed to lose coming from behind. This is a sign of a great team, winning when not at their best. Says a lot about their self belief.
The knockout game at the World Cup actually taught us something about this resilient team. I think that was the beginning of this trait with this Springbok team. They are something special. They are developing to something we may never have seen before. Especially if they defend the World Cup again!
Fassi had a great game..made a difference in key moments..😊
Reminded me of the 1998 Tri-Nations game. Boks down 23-5 with 15 minutes left to play, Boks came back to beat the AB's 24-23.
Funny enough last 3 tries in 1998 game were scored by scrumhalf, No8 and Hooker same as this weekend. 😂
Yes, I remember that one. James Dalton scoring the last try. Legendary game. They just never gave up.
I was at that match in 98 in Durban, I lost my voice for a week, it was a fantastic comeback against Taine Randall's all blacks and after the RWC final in '95 this thas the sweetest bok win in the 90's imo.
Yep, it was Joosy, Bobby and Bullet that scored with Mallet as coach in what I think was his first match as bok coach against the AB's
PSTD is player of the year since 2019🏆
Our Number 10 and 15 came through with Flying Colors
Silent Hero..... The boxer himself...Kwagga
Don’t know if you meant it but 2 of my all time favourite songs; Sounds of Silence and yes, The Boxer. Simon and Garfunkel what legends
You guys are putting together a nice show. Scotty should dial in to stay part of it. Come on Scotty, do it for us...
One big reason the Boks won the game, there’s no team in the world that could turn on the pressure like they do and forcing teams to make crucial mistakes period!
The Boks did the same against England in the last world cub...when the Boks were 8 points down with about 10 minutes to go...and they made a plan to force a scrum & then a penalty on their 25m, kick onto the opposition 15m, win the line out and then get that try with the forwards! They then forced another scrum penalty and Pollard performed, as usual, and kicked that important penalty!! This is what the Boks do and make a plan...and then just do it!! 🏉🤜
Scott Gibbs is a brilliant analyst , I like the way they underplay his career as an international.My Welsh mate still likes to mention him bumping off Os Du Rant as a Lions centre on tour here.
I was at the game, you could see in the first half, the SA pack was much much better than the NZ pack, the Kiwis got lucky with the ref making poor calls on the scrums. All of the game you had a feeling like the Boks are better and can switch things on at will.
NZ is a fantastic side, but the Boks are just special.
Completely agree
Totally agree😊
100%
The Boks are scrapping through games thanks to the refs, including the RWC final, they are frauds.
Saffas are a special breed arent they
Great show. Thank you.
Cheers from Durban.
I got it completely wrong! New Zealand was stronger than I expected! Thoroughly enjoyed the game ❤
Rule 11.5 b.
A player rips or knocks the ball from an opponent and the ball goes forward from the opponent’s hand or arm.
If you look at that rule, the tri stands.
If all the above events occurred 'over the line' then you may have credence ...but he wasn't! It could've been a knock-on anywhere on the pitch but his body still isn't over the line upon grounding. Not even a finger nail
@Mumbo_Jumbo_Kiwi.1 Why would the ref who is standing right there and would have a view better than anyone else call it a try if his body wasn't over the line? You can look at all camera angles till the cows come home, but he is the one who could see it best.
@@danemyburgh the ref was behind the touch down &, to add insult to injury a Springbok player cowered over Bongi to disguise the short call.
@@Mumbo_Jumbo_Kiwi.1 Please stop being stupid. No where does it say it has to be over the line and I quote. " b.5 A player rips or knocks the ball from an opponent and the ball goes forward from the opponent's hand or arm"
@@freddiemmc9251 fair play, I'm just say'n
First to one of my favorite shows.
Any comments on Cody Taylor's try that were supposed to be denied because of double banking. Sia made an appeal to the ref, but he ignored that.
Peter steph de toit came through the middle of the maul with no obstruction, SA fans just want to try find something to overrule the knock on try from the boks
@nateepp2410
You're flat out wrong
NZ pundits agree with OP 6min30:
th-cam.com/video/WN2Rr0IFGlM/w-d-xo.htmlsi=OG6uZliXFfDQQw5z
People like you just want to focus on bongis try so you can claim you were hard done by. Learn the rules
I really hope @@nateepp2410you saw what happened there. Do you even understand what double banking is?
Great game, well done boks. ABs have raw talent and played well, but SA too good and are number one for a reason. This raw talent will learn a lot, and we need 12 months (ABs). You guys also have a couple of great new raw talent.
😂😂 a couple.
New team week in and out 😉 talk about raw we South Africans have it really for 6years 😊
Oh, don't forget discipline 💪
And Siyas broken face...it wasn't something...it was Cane's high shoulder..again!?
Na siya face to soft
@@KIWINZ2024 tsek troll
Blackadder was so good I was convinced he was cheating somehow 😂
How often is a test match played with no less than three World Player of the Year winners.
This is why we enjoyed such an epic match. Under such pressure are diamonds 💎 formed.
Going to miss Scott ❤
Bloody Boks winning all the moments down stretch!! ABs def got a lil tight an Boks did their thing… that 65 minute turnover an breakout was probaly key turning point in game that Hulk Hogan moment 😂😂 good stuff,much love from kiwi land go ABs back ur Bench razor regardless of experience and whomever it may be!
Good luck in Cape Town next week mate. What a game that was
From NZ congrats to SA on their win in the 1st
See you's at the 2nd
💪
Bongi try was fine; rule 11(5)b, it wasnt a knock on.
The ball is not knocked-on, and play continues, if: A player rips or knocks the ball from an opponent and the ball goes forward from the opponent’s hand or arm.
Don’t have a dog in this race but naw, sorry. He doesn’t even get it on the line anyway.
@@OskarBosco-o2w Wasnt a knock on though. We could pick it all apart for ages, like why wasnt NZ penalised for approaching Sacha before his runup on the conversion causing him to hesitate and the shot clock to run down. Boks lost the conversion points due to that and no penalty given either. Try stands and all fair on balance.
@@ad2040because they were trying to talk to the ref to say it was clearly not a try Sacha shouldve never taken the conversion anyways Jordi Barrett was clearly trying to hold the ball up clear separation as bongi lost the ball there was no applied pressure to knock the ball out of his hands so your rule doesn't stand
Thank you Gentlemen. I liked your Post Mortem on the match. My prediction is that some BIG GUNS will return for the Boks, with Sia and others out on crutches, Rassie has a free hand to juggle and Brew a Pot of BOKS to meet the AB;s head-on in a MIGHTY SHOWDOWN coming!
Enjoy Scottie input on the podcast...keep it up chaps !
Think would be awesome to get Pollard and Willie a start this week, maybe pop Fassi on the wing with Kurt-Lee being on CP, but Mapimi will probably get the call up
For All Blacks supporters:
In regards to Bongi’s try controversy, if you rewatch it in slow motion you will see although the ball was dislodged from him - the ball doesn't actually go forward - there is still enough downward force to deem it a try - was he in full control? No - but in theory it's no different than a player juggling a ball before regathering and scoring. Something we have seen time and time again. With that being said, fair enough, the ball was dialoged from him by an All Black hand but the ball never goes forward. And lastly there isn't enough separation - he still has enough control and downward pressure.
According to Rule 11.5B, the ball is not considered "knocked-on," and play continues if a player rips or knocks the ball from an opponent, causing the ball to go forward from the opponent's hand or arm.
Ball is always in contact with the forearm and also does not go forward. By the time it's grounded it's firmly in contact.
It was a perfect try. Lost backwards and recovered. Perfect try. Makes up for the try that wasnt awarded to us at Mountsmart last year.
1. The Boks should have been awarded a penalty try.
2. Your flyhalf kicked the ball after the time had expired.
3. Your captain broke Kolisi’s cheekbone with a high tackle.
4. Sacha’s kick was disallowed using the same rule that allowed MacKenzie’s kick.
So, claiming that the All Blacks were robbed is unreasonable. Even if that try had been disallowed, we would have still won the match. There were unfair calls for both teams.
It also took 9 infringements before you got a team warning, we got a yellow card for our first infringement, so let's not talk about the ref.
If we’re saying Bongi’s try shouldn’t have counted, then we should also say the All Blacks’ first try shouldn’t have counted because there was an obstruction during their lineout driving maul. There were two All Blacks players ahead of the ball in the maul, which I believe was incorrect when they came down. It's a technical infringement, but still an infringement-it's offside. A referee and TMO pair who were having a better day would have gone back and checked that. Plus, Damian’s conversion should not have stood since it was taken after the shot clock.
31-27. Take away Bongi's unconverted try because the shot clock was at 0, and take away Damian's conversion because that was after the shot clock and was allowed...It comes to SA 26 - NZ 25. South Africa win by 1 point.
According to World Rugby Law 11.1(b), a knock-on occurs when a player loses possession of the ball and it goes forward. However, if the ball is dislodged but does not travel forward and the player maintains downward pressure, it is not necessarily a knock-on. Law 12.1(a) allows a player to legally score a try if they have possession of the ball, and if it’s judged that they had enough control and the ball did not go forward, the try stands. The crucial factor is whether the ball moved forward, not whether the player had to regather it.
Not reading that
It was clearly a knock on, if it happened to the japies the tmo would be lynched
Bryan Habana says Bongi try was not a try. Dare you to go tell Habana he doesn’t know what he talks about.
@@HeeniKeke Considering Bongi’s try has been reviewed and confirmed by the referees post-game, it’s clear that the official decision stands. It’s surprising to see Bryan Habana, despite his expertise, misinterpret the rules here. Perhaps, in this case, it’s worth trusting the referee’s judgment over personal opinions.
@@TG_20014 As far as I’m concerned, too many decisions and calls by referee were wrong. Even our first AB try never should have been given.
People need to focus on the real issue…and that is that there are too many rules now in rugby and it seems like lousy referee calls are now going to be epicentre of every game from now on. Hope all fans can stop attacking each other, because that’s fast way for people to move away from this great sport.
@@HeeniKeke It's true that rugby has a lot of rules, and refs can get things wrong. But dismissing valid tries and blaming everything on ref errors doesn’t help anyone. Instead of arguing, let's focus on making the game better and keeping the discussion fair.
Andrew Brace rode NZ.
Evening gents... Great show as always... Sorry to hear you'll be leaving us Scotty... Just like to point out as well that I called the right score...
I remember him calling the 7.5 like saying 2k on it saying tighter than we think doubled his cash
After a request by Planet Rugby, World Rugby match officials confirmed that the Mbonambi try was the correct decision. Barrett knocked the ball on, it went backwards for Mbonambi and then he scored the try, just before the line, but then his momentum moved the ball over the line. So, contrary to the Cody Taylor try, Mbonambi's try was legit.
Bongi's try was legit. Check rule 11 (5b) .Jordie dislodged the ball, hand directly on the ball. If he hit Bongi's arm, I'll agree with you
Nonsense. That was not a deliberate rip. It was a loose carry, it went forward. No try.
Gee no wonder south Africa is rated poorly in terms of education
Come on dude. I'm as staunch a bok supporter as you can get but that was a knock on. Sometimes refs miss things. Feel thankful it's in our favour for a change.
Come on dude. I'm as staunch a bok supporter as you can get but that was a knock on. Sometimes refs miss things. Feel thankful it's in our favour for a change.
Yeah I also think that Barret moved the ball, he didn't dislidge the ball completely and Bongi still maintained contact with the ball until it was grounded, so that was a 50/50 call, the decision went the boks way this time whereas in the past we have had those close calls go against us.
Scott Gibbs predicted a Springbok loss because he believed both Sacha and Fassi was inexperienced, and the AB's would exploit these positions. Nortje and Ben Jason-Dixon was also inexperienced but never mentioned them. Because of this I unfortunately wont take his opinions seriously going forward.
Maybe write him a strongly worded letter and stand with a sign outside his house for a week.
He was almost correct. I commend someone for going against the grain and invoking some reaction ;)
Yes you are right. Money man should bring an actual fortune teller on the show
Scotty does know!!!😂
Boks should be just as frustrated w the TMO as the ABs. Kolisi has a busted face and the opening AB try shouldn’t have been given either. We shouldn’t be talking about the officiating but here we are, once again …..
Yeah on reflection the boks really came off second best when it came to the sub standard officiating
Sam Cane should have not finished the game 😢😢😅😅
Amazing how almost everyone assumes because a player loses control of a ball then there is no try however the rules state as the ball is dislodged in a contact situation (Barrett) as long as there is no knock-on (there was not) all Bongi has to do now is fall on the ball (he did) try is rightfully awarded.
This team resembles the 1924 invincibles. Most consecutive wins is beckoning indeed
I'm gonna miss Scott even if he did call an All Black win.
With regards to Bongi's try or should've not been a try the same could be said for NZ double banking so effectively cancelled itself out
Good points Guys.. Can you please resolve Scott's chair squeeck??. 1stly Bongi was not a try... 1st NZ try was also not a try. So NZ get 10min against 14 and +2points.... The Boks made alot of errors so id be afraid of them clicking at some point. NZ kicked on the backfoot ball and then the other kicks were to long at altitude, it was ill disciplined which is what cost them the game.... They were lucky not to have 2 more players carded for infringement in the red zone. Whenever Ardie is not making more than 2m a run you know the AB are beatable.. South Africa might make 9 changes next week, which is a horrid situation for the opponents and the coaching staff.
I feel that ball was ripped, then it's play on and Bongi falls on it. I don't see the issue. Quick question please watch the replay again and tell me why Bongi lost control.
He does lose control. But anyway, it’s also short.
Selection this week will definitely be different!! I reckon he'll pack on the experience (with a dash of new talent) to close this out. 🤞🏾 NZ will come back SWINGING!!!!!!!!!! 🙈
Not perfect, but it was BRILLIANT ❤
I watch the GAME again. I understand now what the Boks refer to as slow poisons. At 54min of the GAME, you could see the affect of the forwards on ABs. The GAME started to turned slowly. ABs had no answer for the Boks. Everyone is refer to the peak movement which was the last 65min of the GAME.
What about the tackle on Siya Kolisi? Sam Cane had a full-on head clash with him when he tackled him, which caused the possibly fractured cheek bone, and Same Cane didn't even receive a yellow card.
Hopefully Dixon gets another chance
Sam Cane high hit on Siya was a red card!!
Indian Ocean - Australia - Pacific Ocean - New Zealand - splitting hairs.
Majority of Australians live on the East coast, Pacific Ocean.
DDA was responsible for the pass that led to the interception, not Dixon..
My bad
Its not a knock on if the ball is ripped forward by the defender. That's rule 11.5b I think.
I am a Bok supporter, but you are wrong. Clearly not a rip. We were lucky with this one. Wonky decisions went both ways. The Boks won, lets just take it and hope they can make it 4 on the trot against the All Blacks. Was a great match. I am glad I purchase three very expensive tickets.
We haven't won the freedom cup in 10 years so lets get that before making crazy changes
The Boks were veeeery lucky. ABs had them and they let it go
Where is Scott going? Will he be back on the show or is he gone for good?
He will be back mate.
What you guys ignore is that the ball was knock out of Bongi's arm but went forward from the All-Black's hand. That brought advantage into play. Bongi then applied pressure on the ball and therefore a try
The forwards slow poison from the Boks pack makes it virtually impossible to stop them in the last 20 minutes
Hi guys..
I know most are saying that bongies try was not.
However, too me. Bongies finger tips always stayed on the ball.
Maby Tmo saw this too. If anything Abs were very lucky on many obvious calls like when the all black player was visually seen standing on the line when touching the ball. And others. 😊
NZ need to find a new Zinzan Brooke 🖤
Great show, everyone! What are your thoughts on Libbok getting a chance in the upcoming test? Let's not forget his impressive performance against the All Blacks at Twickenham. I suggest having either Pollard or Sasha at fullback for goal-kicking duties. Additionally, I believe Roos should be included on the flank.
Only people that don't know the game would think PSDT is overrated 😮
Buuuuuuut, we botched 3:
Jesse's forward pass;
KLA not picking up in their 22;
Fassi not passing inside.
Opportunistic, but KLA nearly caught one from the kick-off. Could have been 4 x 7 on another day.
I think the ABs played well. I think we didn't execute clinically, which is positive
The Bongi try😂didn't the Springboks have a penalty advantage?
Gents with respect , it should not be difficult for the Springboks to stay humble because they are not lightyears ahead of the rest . .. in fact luck ( some will call it grace) played a part in many many of their last games against the top 3 AB, Irish, France has been very very close .. granted as Gary Player said the more I practise ( prepare ) the luckier I get ....Brilliant show gents , thanks Scotty for your insight 👍
Any chance you guys could join Zels and Keo for a joint session?
Nice call, a bit fortunate will that sitter of a penny Sacha missed at the end.
The Jeff Wilson, program, took out a chart, with all the rules, to show us, that the bongi try, was not a try. Only problem is, according to the rules, it was a try. There was no sepperation, between the forearm and wrist, there was downward pressure pressure, and the ball, never went forward. Enough said. There was a clear dislodging, between, the guys infront, of cody Taylor's try. So, if you take, those to scores, out of the game, the boks still wins. Enough said
SA-24 NZL-17
Btw, Scott, we did, your first visa to South Africa, way back then, your welcome
I completely agree that the Bongi try was never a try, you could so clearly see it on his face no celebration.
However, am I the only one who noticed that the TV director seemed more interested in showing the crowd than focusing on the game and replays? It felt like there were several missed replay opportunities and decisions that should have been reviewed more carefully.
You guys don't give the boks enough credit....
Bongi try does not bother me, Boks were under advantage and even if the try was not allowed they would have gone corner again and maul should have scored and may even have caused ABs a yellow card in the process. So the ABs should be careful what they wish for.
Its not a sign of the times the Springboks coming from 10 behind its variance .
Did no one get the score right, with the predictions?
I think 4 0r 5 got it right.
Sorry, beg to differ in terms of '70 minutes and one team in it'
It was anybody's game up until the last 20 minutes and WHO shifted into top gear in those last 20 ???
Don't know what game this comment heading was watching!
Our Boks are skilful, brutal and fast! Always have been but only now the old schoolers are stepping back and permitting them to do so.
Hey Money Man you must pay what you said. Score prediction??
All correct scores will be paid my friend
When the tmo turns a blind eye to a no try you have to question the one sided penalty count against the Allblacks, to me it's plain cheating, prove me wrong by giving a logical excuse the tmo would have to not call that a knock on
Is their No others refs japan or italy
Agreed ..also where are the SA refs on the international stage?
I'm sure Scotty smokes zol...the way he breathes in before he speaks is a dead giveaway. Grew up listening to Hendrix and Zepplin. You should see how my dad holds a cigarette...
They got lucky ,the knock on try got them home ,the Ref was completely out of position and he should have called in the TMO to check which was obvious .NO TRY KNOCK ON.....
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The Bongi try occurred under advantage... Also, it was not a simple "knock on" as claimed as law 11B has interpretation and if Jordie knocked the ball out, Bongi could have recorded and score as he did...
Do you believe Bongi knocked it on or was it dislodged by Jordie...
The ABs are crying over spilt milk and the karma pendulum has swung after decades where they got away with dubious tactics and biased refs...
The Boks can get significantly better... Can the ABs really improve?
#GoBokke
All Black’s poor discipline cost them the WC Final too…
Blackadder is immense! Watch him this weekend! Bok supporter moving to Christchurch!!
Pieter Steph du Toit is the best player on the planet. Screw dupont
Du Pont,is the best player by a country mile !!!
@@JimmieCooper-le6vj when he wins man of the match in a world cup final maybe I'll change my mind
@@altaafkader9675 When du Toit wins a gold medal at the Olympics ,maybe I will change my mind.And du Pont playing with a fractured cheekbone, against the Boks,and losing by a point,due to his brilliance,is pnominal.👌👌
@@JimmieCooper-le6vj PSDT almost had his whole leg amputated. And he came back from that to beat France at home and give back to back man of the match performances against the all blacks, one in a world cup final and one where he played in 3 different positions and was still world class in everything he did. He is the fine margin that keeps the springboks above everyone else. Du pont can shove his 7s gold medal and settle for second best
@@altaafkader9675 Whatever floats your boat !!
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Weldone beat me by a vew seconds. 😅😅
These 2 are the most inspiring gents commenting on the game ..unsubscribing with immeduate effect
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You'll be missed mate
Cheers
You will not be missed !!👌👌
Im sory moneyman, scott puts me to sleep. He should play or write rugby, but ffs 😴 another video i can't finnish.
It's getting to be a bit of a joke the difference in quality from South African pundits comments vs that from NZ. I really want to thank you for the balanced and well considered comments gentlemen. I hope to see the lot of you at SA Rugby put together a show with some higher production value and deeper analysis, guests etc. I'm sure you'll have the audience for it...