Father Mawdsley, I am grateful for your video on the writings about this so called “Divine Will” movement and writings. I have been alarmed lately to see how many otherwise solid, good Catholics going down this path. I can’t help but think of the Pied Piper. I am listening now to some more of your videos. So many concerns on what is happening in both the world and the Catholic Church these days.
Thank you so much for bringing the question to light. It was well presented. As painful as it is to see what is transpiring, there is a certain comfort in knowing that what we are seeing is not right, meaning many are recognizing and know the teachings of the Church and what we are witnessing does not match up. It has also allowed us the opportunity to put into practice more arduous prayer, fasting and sacrifice for the Pope, the hierarchy, and our priests as well as turning to Our Lady more and more. Our Lady of Fatima, pray for us!
How wonderful it is to see Fr. Michael Rodriguez and Fr. James Mawdsley speaking together! Two very fine priests indeed. I sure hope to see more of the two of you presenting talks together. David, great questions! Thank you all for addressing this deep concern that many of us are having. I will continue to pray for the salvation of both bishops in Rome, and that we will soon have clarity on who the true pope is. Fr. James, advising that we talk to our priests if we are concerned was very good advice. Thank you! "We must disappear in Mary, so that we may find God alone". ~ St. Louis de Montford
False, catholic, apostate church - a different religion from Vatican 2. Catholic church infiltrated! See Bella Dodd testimony... True, Catholic Bishops must amputate dead, apostate church from True, Living Catholic Church.
Thank you Fathers and David for presenting this very important discussion. You have clarified many points which are being discussed within our family. God bless and protect you three fine men of God.
Thank you, Fathers, for speaking the truth. As our Lord Jesus has said “you know the tree by its fruits”. It’s so easy to tell what kind of Pope Bergoglio is by what he says, does, encourages, and the companies he keeps.
God bless you three men of good will! My take of this discussion, is for me, a Catholic lay woman, is to be faithful in my own vocation, and help others to love Christ and His Church.
God gave us the apparition and messages of Fatima for a reason. He knew there would be this confusion and He gave us Fatima as a way through it. We're supposed to ask these questions about this crazy situation that we are faced with as Catholics. Nothing to be hesitant about.
We have to raise the question because we are duty bound to be united with the Pope in order to save our souls. I am thankful that we are reminded by the three of you that charity and humility must be first. Yet a part of charity is truth. I hold with Benedict by virtue of Canon Law. I do not think unkindly of those who find otherwise. I love all my fellow faithful Catholics. St. Vincent and St. Catherine backed different men who claimed the Papacy. She was correct but they both are Saints. Neither condemned the other. There is no catechism for this crisis. I agree with these two holy priests.
I agree especially that we can't react unkindly to those who disagree on this. We didn't create these big questions all on our own. I often say when you're given bad choices you're going to make a bad choice. We have to look beyond and behind those choices to find the good and best choice. Moment to moment we have to live in accordance to God's will. That answer is easy to know but tough to live. If who is the Pope is tough to know then I accept an invincible ignorance of that, while knowing that doesn't detract from every other Truth we know and accept remains unchanged.
WRONG. No Catholic is "duty bound to hold with the pope." If a pope errs, promotes heresy, we are duty bound to ignore him and to pray for his soul. Years ago, through prayer and study, and listening to faithful, traditional, Marian priests, I learned that the NO hierarchy from John XXIII to the present apostate, Bergolio, comprise a COUNTERFEIT church. The late Frs. Malachi Martin, Nicholas Gruner and Gregory Hesse proved that the NO popes were Modernist heretics. Their words and actions are matters of PUBLIC record. The SPPV priest, Fr. William Jenkins has held this and taught ONLY doctrine, dogma, Sacred Tradition and Holy Writ for decades.
@@carecc7191 The great amount of space between the "WRONG", which is your 1st sentence, and the "If", which starts your 3rd sentence, is the issue the "op", and all of us including yourself, are dealing with. I don't see how your "if" is not an abandonment of your initial declaration of "WRONG". Also, please distinguish between what you "learned" and what you've read or heard. A massive error pervasive in all modern society is the idea that learning about something is "learning" it. The best example is the way music is taught in universities. It developed as wealthier people in post "enlightenment" society wanted to be taught about things, in this case music. Prior, music was taught primarily to children, mostly orphan and poor, over many years through training by the Church. The goal was to give these children a beautiful skill that met a need. The need was singers, musicians, and choir directors for churches. After Napolean attacked Rome, that system suffered. Into that void came comfortable people hoping to "learn" what they saw performed by well trained and selected professionals. The system that developed (Roman numeral chord symbols is a part of this) served to teach about music but could never replace or match the system that developed across the previous centuries that relied on singing for years before touching an insrument and the practical training that accompanied it over the maturation of the child. (Haydn being an example, maybe a very late example, of what that system could produce.) Instead we have people being taught about something who have not lived it to actually know it. It's the same system that is teaching about psychology, governance, business or economics, to (at best late-borderline) adolescents and sending them out to practice; as if learning about, from people who don't, is the equal of learning through doing along side those who do. We are all learning in very practical ways what happens when people elected in conclaves as Pope do not act in communion with the office of Pope (the legal analogy is when a judge or prosector and really the entire legal system act "under the color of law" while violating the law), as we are learning what happens when the worldly forces flood the seminaries with people who had no intent and were incapable of living up to then job of being a priest, bishop, or cardinal. This learning we're undergoing might be analogous to what had to be learned by the people as the religious authorities in the temple in Jerusalem abandoned God so fully that they refused to recognize Him right there in front of him. Maybe the current need among worldly authorities to change definitions to suit their own needs is similar to the changes made in the "masoritic" writings to hide the Truth from those who then rely on those texts.
Very well said. I'm a hardliner when it comes to who has the job of preaching and teaching Christs' truth in order to take us into our home for all eternity. As that's what we are on about here - salvation of souls, there is no other dictum! While charity and humility are the cornerstones of being pleasing to Christ, we HAVE to remember who and what we are - a Militant Church! Plain and objective language in truth, guided by Christ's admonition of "ye shall know them by their fruits.." is the both the clue, and remedy, to lay aside the subjective and adopt the objective nature of scripture! This is our armour and strength. To me there actually is a catechism for this crisis, but we either ignore, dismiss or condemn its nature: these are approved, decreed Heavenly warnings over hundreds of years, from Holy and declared saints of the Church, as to what we are to do. Quito is the great beginning for our era.
Lord, bless these priests who are really concerned about salvation of souls, Lord give us many and holy priests like them to preach truth to all humanity.
If every Catholic focused on their salvation and obeyed the commands of the Blessed Mother at Fatima, God will awaken from his sleep and destroy his enemies as promised! The Immaculate Heart of Mary will triumph and I pray that I live to see it.
What a wonderful advent to have these 2 fine favorite Priests on ask Father❣️ Loving my Fatima Center this year for sure, thank you. I offered my 3 Hail Mary's for you this morning
Our Lady said, “Pray for The Pope” I honestly don’t know who I’m praying for, so, I pray for the two of them, along with, the cardinals, bishops and Holy Priests. Kind regards to all of you, From, Dublin, Ireland 🇮🇪🙏🏻🇬🇧🇺🇸🇻🇦
This is a beautiful and necessary video. It is clear what we do know. And we do it. The key is do we know all? What is it we do not know ? Certainly God knows. For the sake of our souls we pray to understand what we do not yet know, while pastoring our flocks in humility patience and perseverance, until Our Lord lifts this confusion. The Church has endured trials! For I, through the law, am dead to the law, that I may live to God: with Christ I am nailed to the cross. For I, through the law, am dead to the law, that I may live to God: with Christ I am nailed to the cross. Galatians 2:19 All is known already which direction it reveals. Let us walk together in Love and fulfillment. You are all beautiful sons of Our Father and Triumphant Mother!
Thank you good and holy priests I enjoyed listen to you but I should add I missed a prayer at the beginning and a blessing at the end maybe next time god bless all of us from australia
It distresses me that we need to have this discussion. When I saw the Pope approve of the idol, I was mortified. I am in no way a lesser sinner, however, to see the Pope and other leaders of the church to do and say things I grew up KNOWING it is wrong, to worship and encourage others to accept an idol and to receive the Eucharist with having committed a mortal sin without receiving absolution is against what we know to be wrong. I thank you for this dialogue, will continue to pray for the Pope, the Church, leaders of the church and most especially all our holy priests .
It is also important to do your homework and most Catholics fail miserably at learning and studying the faith. The late Benedict XVI was a Modernist heretic, an architect of Vatican II, who along with JPII, consecrated most of the heretical Modernist bishops in office today. Many of these men are also sodomites. The books of the late JPII and Benedict XVI are stuffed with heresies and those who READ the Church Doctors, know the DOGMAS and doctrines are not confused in the slightest. I am grateful to the late Frs. Malachi Martin, Gregory Hesse and Nicholas Gruner for revealing the counterfeit Novus Ordo sect decades ago.
My question is, who are you and what are you really doing? It's a question we all should ask ourselves. Who am I, and what is my legacy going to be. What will I have really done ten, fifteen, twenty years from now to show my allegiance to Holy Mother Church. There is an old saying that even a bad dog will not bite the hand that feeds it. Glory to God. ❤❤❤
Excerpts from Blessed Mother's Message No. 407 to Father Gobbi, Marian Movement of Priests (on 666 and the 3rd manifestation of Satan in human history): "In this period of time around year 3x666=1998, Freemasonry, assisted by its ecclesiastical form, will succeed in its great design: that of setting up an idol to put in the place of Christ and His Church. A false christ and a false church. Consequently, the statue built in honor of the first beast, to be adored by all the inhabitants of the earth and which will seal with its mark all those who want to buy or sell, is that of the Antichrist. You have thus arrived at the peak of the purification, the great tribulation, and the apostasy. The apostasy will be, as of then, generalized because almost all will follow the false christ and the false church. Then the door will open for the appearance of the man or the very person of the Antichrist.
I have wanted to enlighten you concerning the pages of the Apocalypse to prepare you with Me for the most painful and decisive part of the great struggle fought out between your Heavenly Mother and all the forces of evil which have been let loose. Take courage! Be strong, My little children. To you befalls the duty, in these difficult years, of remaining faithful to Christ and His Church, putting up with hostility, struggle, and persecution. But you are a precious part of the little flock, which has the task of fighting against and, in the end, conquering the powerful force of the Antichrist. I am forming you all, defending you, and blessing you!"
@@bobtosi9346 unfortunately, the majority of the laity are not well formed and don't have a clue that any of this is happening. I have come to understand this after attempting to bring up this subject many times to many "Catholics" and getting a look like we are nuts for thinking anything is wrong. The fight is left to those whose eyes are open to the situation.
Fr. Mawdsley's answers resonate with me. Lay people just need to carry on being Catholic, ignore Francis' words and put ourselves under the guidance of the Two Holy Hearts.
When I was a Baptist child, and my Dad wanted to make a point of truth, he'd ask "is the Pope Catholic?" I didn't know really what the Pope did or understand what the Catholic Church is then (we had a little aversion to all things Catholic), but I knew that the Pope is Catholic. These last few years, though (I've been a Catholic for 35 years, since I was 21 praise God!) this question of my Dad has come to my mind, and I have to really wonder, IS the Pope Catholic? I came into the "novus ordo" Church, not understanding what the TLM was all about, and had conversations with my SSPX Grandma that went nowhere. About 5 years ago, my Parish got a new Associate Priest who was fairly recently ordained. He wore a Cassock and was allowed to celebrate the TLM in the next county. My Grandma died. A couple years after Grandma's passing I absolutely KNEW I must veil because the Blessed Sacrament is all Holy. Then a couple of years later I KNEW I had to kneel to receive Our Lord. It was an absolute certainty and I couldn't NOT. We have a newly-ordained Associate Priest. Sadly he wasn't ordained with the ability to celebrate the TLM!!!!! 😡 What's WRONG with Pope Francis??? Is he a freemason or something? Or is he just a bad Pope? Is someone under him writing in his stead? Does he even know what's being said in his name? Why did he give interviews to that atheist Italian who never takes notes? Why did he mandate the jab??? And I saw a video of the imposter Sr. Lucy. I understand now. And WHAT are the "words odious to Me" in the new Mass that Jesus told to Marie-Julie Jahenny 60 years BEFORE Paul VI and the New Mass???
This is the conversation all traditional Catholics need to listen to. God bless these men for having it. Without hyperbole, and without finger-pointing, how do we keep in union with the Vicar of Christ when he is acting evil?
Yes I found this very helpful. My stand on Pope Francis is well expressed from the lips of Fr Rodrigues. It’s true that in the past, perhaps people didn’t know who the Pope was, but today this is different. We hear what he says, without difficulty. We look for information because we are often without good sermons, parishes, even people to pray with. We feel obliged to find a ‘community’ on the internet. This is another reason why there can be an obsession about Francis. Another point is that it matters and could touch the lives of lay people very badly if they were accused of saying the wrong things and tried to use their faith and conscience as a defence A lawyer could say that this is untrue. ‘Your Pope does not believe what you believe!’This is what has happened to the venerable Cardinal Zen in a big way. Certainly it could happen to us especially regarding abortion/vaccines/climate change etc. thank you for all you do in the Immaculate Heart.
Yes, excellent points. When I was fired from healthcare for following my conscience, i was told by my secular employer, your pope says you are wrong. Pure evil.
I love these two Priests. God bless and protect both of them. Thank you for talking about this issue. It is very true that at times it becomes very confusing to me about who is the Pope... And, I hear/ read of all the things Francis is doing wrong and against Church teachings better yet God's teachings and commandments I am not going to obeyed the Pope. I am going to resist the evil wicked godless agenda that is the opposite of God's laws and commandments.
My daily morning prayers I pray for the pope and the conversion of Bergolio.🙏😔 And why are we not investigating about the two Sister Lucia.😔 Amen! the law of prayer is the law of belief.
Thank you for all of the important things of being faithful. We must pray for Peter who is still standing in Rome. We are with God and believe in Jesus Christ. We pray for our pope.
Thanks be to God for the Fatima Center. May God bless and ptotect Fr Rodriguez and Fr Mawdsley, The Venerable Fulton Sheen said that the anti-Christ doesn't advertize himself as the anti-Christ. He will present himself as a peacemaker a charitable man, someone who respects al religions... On one hand we want to respect the authority of the Pope, but when it comes to the prophecies of Venerable Fulton Sheen, we are stuck and confused, to the point we don't want to believe it's happening!!! Lord, save Your Holy Church and save us!
God said beware of Wolves in Sheep’s clothing there’s something going very wrong in the Catholic Church, when we could shop for food and the priests were not allowed to feed their flock even outside in the Church grounds in the open air 😢 God help us all
Fr Rodriguez you are a Priest don't you think the words" whom am I " from your mouth is not humility is offensive to Jesus? After all when you are on the Altar performing a Sacrement you have Jesus Power. When Pope Francis said " who am I to judge " comit grave insult to Jesus.
I have held , since 2012, that the Siri Thesis is the best explanation for what has happened since the death of Pius XII in 1958. When I accepted it I could see John XXIII telling a lie that the Church has no enemies.
@@marietheresa1709 I resisted the truth they spoke for about a year. I was Baptized in a Novus Ordo "parish" in 2021. I then went to a quite traditional TLM parish and didn't want to admit that it was also a fraud. The grace of God will replace your attachments to people and buildings with true peace and understanding once you accept His full truth. God bless.
Weak tea & a step forward, at the same time. I'd paraphrase it as "Look at us - we're discussing the question - it should be discussed - but we don't know the answer and who among us can know?" But to know - to reach a certain conclusion - is necessary & valid. You may arrive at the wrong conclusion. But the motive - the fact that you did your best to reach a conclusion - is absolutely right.
For me, it doesn't matter who the Pope is; it's more important to know our Faith very well, so that we know what is required of us, so that if a Pope making statements that are contrary to what Jesus has taught us, then we need to follow Jesus, rather than the Pope. Prayer is important especially to our Lady!
Thank you, Father Rodriguez, for speaking of the Athenasian Creed. I don't remember ever hearing of it, but that's clearly my fault. Who anyone in positions of power or authority are might come down to not by accepting someone else's word for it but by the fruits they bear.
The confusion is part of our purification 🔥Is very hard to be Catholic to stay and the only Jesus Church ⛪️ and not trust Francis, and pray for him ! 😢 But Jesus will put everything in order sooner or latter. We need to learn and to see the difference between being obedient and not obey certain things. I try to imagine Judas ! Jesus knew ! And he not reyected him ! Yes. We need you good priests! Thank you! God bless you! The three of you ❤️❤️❤️
St. Robert Bellarmine: “A Pope who is a manifest heretic automatically ceases to be a Pope and head, just as he ceases automatically to be a Christian and a member of the Church. Wherefore, he can be judged and punished by the Church. This is the teaching of all the ancient Fathers who teach that manifest heretics immediately lose all jurisdiction.” Wernz-Vidal - Canon Law, 1943 “Through notorious and openly divulged heresy, the Roman Pontiff, should he fall into heresy, by that very fact(ipso facto) is deemed to be deprived of the power of jurisdiction even before any declaratory judgment by the Church… A Pope who falls into public heresy would cease ipso facto to be a member of the Church; therefore, he would also cease to be head of the Church.” And also: “A doubtful pope is no pope.” Catholic Encyclopedia, 1913 “The Pope himself, if notoriously guilty of heresy, would cease to be Pope because he would cease to be a member of the Church.” Pope Innocent III: “The Pope should not flatter himself about his power nor should he rashly glory in his honor and high estate, because the less he is judged by man, the more he is judged by God. Still the less can the Roman Pontiff glory because he can be judged by men, or rather, can be shown to be already judged, if for example he should wither away into heresy; because he who does not believe is already judged, In such a case it should be said of him: ‘If salt should lose its savor, it is good for nothing but to be cast out and trampled under foot by men.’” Matthaeus Conte a Coronata - Institutiones Iuris Canonici, 1950 “If indeed such a situation would happen, he (the Roman Pontiff) would, by divine law, fall from office without any sentence, indeed, without even a declaratory one. He who openly professes heresy places himself outside the Church, and it is not likely that Christ would preserve the Primacy of His Church in one so unworthy. Wherefore, if the Roman Pontiff were to profess heresy, before any condemnatory sentence (which would be impossible anyway) he would lose his authority.” A. Vermeersch - Epitome Iuris Canonici, 1949 “At least according to the more common teaching; the Roman Pontiff as a private teacher can fall into manifest heresy. Then, without any declaratory sentence (for the Supreme See is judged by no one), he would automatically (ipso facto) fall from power which he who is no longer a member of the Church is unable to possess.” Edward F. Regatillo - Institutiones Iuris Canonici, 1956 “‘The pope loses office ipso facto because of public heresy.’ This is the more common teaching, because a pope would not be a member of the Church, and hence far less could he be its head.”
The constant refrain of “diabolical disorientation“ gets really old. What’s happening isn’t a matter of mere disorientation; it’s a matter of apostasy most foul.
Great discussion. Yes I question all these things. I have been watching some of the sedevacantists-Dimond Brothers talks on the papacy. Something to think about and discern. But staying close to Our Lord and our Blessed Mother for guidance always.
I contacted about a thousand Bishops - not one of them answered concerning my points which are about the Commandments of Christ according to the Apostles! Your respons will decide your Salvation! Father L.C. Remenyik
A good conversation and we see how even the finest and best informed struggle mightily in trying to figure out what is going on. To all those who claimed Benedict was still the true pontiff, what do you say now that he is buried? Is Francis a bad but valid pope or is the chair desolate? I pray for him daily that IF he is the pope he repents publicly, and that if he is not, it is exposed.
Thank you very much for covering this subject. Dr. Peter Chojnowski often appeared with Fr. Gruner at his conferences. Would you mind having a look at his Sr. Lucy truth evidence. May Almighty God bless you all. From Ireland 🇮🇪
I love being a traditional Catholic blessed to attend TLM. I'm a revert, cradle Catholic, and have searched a lot to return to the traditions I had received as a child. No more, no more, no more, making it up as the next Pope thinks.... Francis is going against the very Magisterium my forefathers died for. So, yes, I can have an opinion. I am not braindead. St. Robert Bellarmine clearly stated that a Pope becomes a heretic if he does not uphold the Traditional Magisterium. Stop stripping our duty (not just a right) of the Catachized and Confirmed Laity to defend the Faith. And Priests, before you were a Priest, you were Catachized and Confirmed. You are Soldiers of the Church militant. Defend the Faith. Otherwise, will Christ find Faith when He returns? Absolutely pray for the souls of both Bishops in White in Rome. But follow the traditional Catholic Faith. 🙏
I hope the few good bishops left will have this discussion also, and especially address the reasons why we are in this situation... the errors and heretical statements in the V2 documents. Especially dealing with false ecumenism, religious liberty & collegiality or trying to make the church a democracy instead of a monarchy. Or bring back & condemn the heresy of Modernism like Pope St. Pius X had warned us about!!
It is a big issue having an evil pope, we need a shepherd to follow, now we are like lost sheep, I pray for a holy pope, true faithful to our Lord and his teachings 🙏🏻
Bless you all gentlemen. One person, we know for sure knows the truth of his elevation and that is Jorge himself. Just as the cursed Marxists know that a man in a dress is a man, they don't want to prove that he is a 'woman', they only want to force you say he is a woman, the same sort just want you to acknowledge Jorge as Pope no matter what he does or does not do. Look to the source at what Jorge says himself: he doesn't claim to be the Vicar of Christ only the Bishop of Rome. He does't follow Canon Law making himself a criminal when all he need do is change the law to suit his purpose. He doesn't kneel nor genuflect towards the Blessed Sacrament nor explain why. Finally, when the real Jorge oozes out in anger, he will even strike his sheep with blatant spiritual violent (TC) or even physically strike them like that poor Chinese woman who clasped his hand. I take him at his word and behavior--that's not the Pope.
Can someone explain how it's possible to recognize a man as a legitimate pope, claim to be in union with that pope and claim to resist him at the same time? If you resist him, you're not in union with him. If you recognize a man as a pope and resist him, your soul is probably in trouble.
The Pope represents the faith that has come down to us from the Apostles. Union with the Pope means union with the Apostolic faith codified in the catechism. So if the Pope deviates from that faith we should resist him in order for us to remain in the faith. We are in union with the office of the Pope, and not with errors from any individual pope.
@@dragonfly656 For me, I definitely recognize the papacy and the full authority and stature of that role. With that in mind, I don't believe Francis is the pope.
@@dragonfly656 no that’s not how it works. The current pope is the proximate rule of Faith for the faithful. That logic makes you the superior of the current pope. Jorge is rule of Faith leads to Hell. So he cannot be Pope for that reason alone.
@@smurfred1 "we do not follow the pope." Wrong. When we follow the Pope, we follow Christ. That's what Christ taught. "He who hear YOU, Hears ME." Do we hear Christ when we hear Francis? Of course not, it would be blasphemy to suggest that we do. "If anyone thus speaks, that the Roman Pontiff has only the office of inspection or direction, but not the full and supreme power of jurisdiction over the universal Church, not only in things which pertain to faith and morals, but also in those which pertain to the discipline and government of the Church spread over the whole world; or, that he possesses only the more important parts, but not the whole plenitude of this supreme power; or that this power of his is not ordinary and immediate, or over the churches altogether and individually, and over the pastors and the faithful altogether and individually: let him be anathema." (First Vatican Council, Dogmatic Constitution Pastor Aeternus, Chapter 3; Denz. 1831.) Now imagine applying this to apostate Bergoglio. He is no Pope.
Thank you so much for this video. So much truth was said. Praise God! It was so good to hear priests not to be afraid to question what we obviously see as really bad moves in the church by Bergoglio and administrators in the Vatican. The only thing about this video that made me “uncomfortable” was that the positioning of the two priests, felt awkward. They looked like they felt awkward. I would suggest a different positioning of the guest commentators.
To our brother Catholics in China the question of Who is the pope is extremely important. Francis has given the nod to the CCP to crush Catholicism in China by his concordat
In the writings of Benedict XV there are warnings of one world government and a one world religion. I have often thought that the reason that Cardinal Ratzinger took the name Benedict XVI is because we are living under what Benedict XV warned of. Whether by his own intention or by Divine Inspiration. Pius X and Benedict XV, two great men from the same Era who warned of the errors of our era.
And yet Pope Benedict XVI accepted a completely new and unnecessary title which has produced great confusion instead of going back to his former title as bishop Ratzinger (the papacy is not a sacrament, after all) - this is discussed by bishop Athanasius Schneider in his book The Spring That Never Came. Pope Benedict XVI is a highly intelligent man, holy in many ways, but he has also made questionable choices.
Follow a good Bishop, he will always make a good decision on confusing topics, like “who is the Pope?” It is better to follow a Bishop, always. Brothers do not get lost. The Holy Catholic Church, His Church always has great Apostles, Bishops. Viva Cristo Rey!!!
How do you pray for the pope by name if you're really not sure which pope is the pope? I just pray for the true pope and then I don't worry. Thank you Fr.'s and David. I truly believe that when God wants us to know the truth about this, He will reveal it. I don't think He wants us spending our lives wringing our hands trying to figure out this riddle. I believe He wants us to know our faith and trust Him.
What a wonderful discussion. Maybe a future discussion can address how to defend the Church against Protestants who use our current "pope"(?) to attack the faith. It's hard to defend the papacy with its current occupant. Maybe we have to do a conditional union with the pope (like a conditional Baptism) at this point, as it seems obvious that there is definitely something amiss and we just do not know who the current pope actually is.
@@The12thSeahorse I'm pretty darn sure I'm a bit older than you are. It's an old designation from the 50's and early 60's. Not at all cruel. I'd prefer to be a pew potato than a "member of the laity." Ugh...😇
The question is easily answered by canon 332 par. 2. Benedict xvi has Not abdicated, he has kept the munus having resigned only from the ministerium. Why because he is being impeded to carry out his duties.
Father Mawdsley,
I am grateful for your video on the writings about this so called “Divine Will” movement and writings. I have been alarmed lately to see how many otherwise solid, good Catholics going down this path. I can’t help but think of the Pied Piper. I am listening now to some more of your videos. So many concerns on what is happening in both the world and the Catholic Church these days.
So glad we have The Fatima Center attended the Dallas conference.
I love these two holy Priests, thank you.
Pope BENEDICT is the real Pope.
That is my opinion.
Amen agree
Truth is truth
@@joanhooper95 what do you mean
We are in an interregnum seat is empty. Bergoglio is not Catholic not in the least how can he be a Catholic pope?
Thank you so much for bringing the question to light. It was well presented. As painful as it is to see what is transpiring, there is a certain comfort in knowing that what we are seeing is not right, meaning many are recognizing and know the teachings of the Church and what we are witnessing does not match up. It has also allowed us the opportunity to put into practice more arduous prayer, fasting and sacrifice for the Pope, the hierarchy, and our priests as well as turning to Our Lady more and more. Our Lady of Fatima, pray for us!
Hey Maureen! Don't you love these two priests?
Fathers, thank you for your courage!
How wonderful it is to see Fr. Michael Rodriguez and Fr. James Mawdsley speaking together! Two very fine priests indeed. I sure hope to see more of the two of you presenting talks together.
David, great questions!
Thank you all for addressing this deep concern that many of us are having. I will continue to pray for the salvation of both bishops in Rome, and that we will soon have clarity on who the true pope is. Fr. James, advising that we talk to our priests if we are concerned was very good advice. Thank you!
"We must disappear in Mary, so that we may find God alone". ~ St. Louis de Montford
I love those good Priests of God and not forgetting David Rodriquez. God bless you all at the Fatima Centre.
Thank you! God bless you.
Thank you Father's for sharing your discussion. God is not absent and lm clinging to the Blessed Mother 🙏
As a former "Wiccan", I immediately recognized a pagan goddess idol, and I was FURIOUS!
And you should be. Part of the job of the Pope is to protect us from evil spirits, to hand us over instead....deserving of Hell fire.
Thanks Joyce for pointing this out
Where’s the pagan goddess idol?? I hope you’re not referring to Our Lady of Fatima statue 🤔
@@ginniej48 No she is referring to the Pachamama statue.
Thanks to these 2 good priests for respectfully and rationally addressing this troubling topic 🙏🏻😔
Warrior Priests+!!!!
False, catholic, apostate church - a different religion from Vatican 2. Catholic church infiltrated! See Bella Dodd testimony... True, Catholic Bishops must amputate dead, apostate church from True, Living Catholic Church.
Two awesome Priests🙏
God is raising up great leaders and these two are among the best🙏
Glory to God🙏
Joining in prayer Cardinal Burke's Rosary warriors for intention "the Lord will hasten the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary."
These types of videos are helping to save many souls. Ty🌹
More blessings and more appreciation from Sydney Australia .
God bless you Father's and May Our Blessed Mother keep her protective mantle around you both. ☦😇❤
Thank you fr David, fr J Mawdsley & FrMichael. God bless you all.
Thank you Fathers and David for presenting this very important discussion. You have clarified many points which are being discussed within our family. God bless and protect you three fine men of God.
Thank you for these videos/important information. In addition, you bring a smile to my face. I think that peace has a way of doing that. :-)
Thank you, Fathers, for speaking the truth. As our Lord Jesus has said “you know the tree by its fruits”. It’s so easy to tell what kind of Pope Bergoglio is by what he says, does, encourages, and the companies he keeps.
God bless you three men of good will! My take of this discussion, is for me, a Catholic lay woman, is to be faithful in my own vocation, and help others to love Christ and His Church.
That's all we can do!! God bless you
God gave us the apparition and messages of Fatima for a reason. He knew there would be this confusion and He gave us Fatima as a way through it. We're supposed to ask these questions about this crazy situation that we are faced with as Catholics. Nothing to be hesitant about.
Thank you Fathers for addressing this issue.
We have to raise the question because we are duty bound to be united with the Pope in order to save our souls. I am thankful that we are reminded by the three of you that charity and humility must be first. Yet a part of charity is truth. I hold with Benedict by virtue of Canon Law. I do not think unkindly of those who find otherwise. I love all my fellow faithful Catholics. St. Vincent and St. Catherine backed different men who claimed the Papacy. She was correct but they both are Saints. Neither condemned the other. There is no catechism for this crisis. I agree with these two holy priests.
I agree especially that we can't react unkindly to those who disagree on this. We didn't create these big questions all on our own. I often say when you're given bad choices you're going to make a bad choice. We have to look beyond and behind those choices to find the good and best choice. Moment to moment we have to live in accordance to God's will. That answer is easy to know but tough to live. If who is the Pope is tough to know then I accept an invincible ignorance of that, while knowing that doesn't detract from every other Truth we know and accept remains unchanged.
WRONG. No Catholic is "duty bound to hold with the pope." If a pope errs, promotes heresy, we are duty bound to ignore him and to pray for his soul. Years ago, through prayer and study, and listening to faithful, traditional, Marian priests, I learned that the NO hierarchy from John XXIII to the present apostate, Bergolio, comprise a COUNTERFEIT church. The late Frs. Malachi Martin, Nicholas Gruner and Gregory Hesse proved that the NO popes were Modernist heretics. Their words and actions are matters of PUBLIC record. The SPPV priest, Fr. William Jenkins has held this and taught ONLY doctrine, dogma, Sacred Tradition and Holy Writ for decades.
@@carecc7191 The great amount of space between the "WRONG", which is your 1st sentence, and the "If", which starts your 3rd sentence, is the issue the "op", and all of us including yourself, are dealing with. I don't see how your "if" is not an abandonment of your initial declaration of "WRONG".
Also, please distinguish between what you "learned" and what you've read or heard. A massive error pervasive in all modern society is the idea that learning about something is "learning" it. The best example is the way music is taught in universities. It developed as wealthier people in post "enlightenment" society wanted to be taught about things, in this case music. Prior, music was taught primarily to children, mostly orphan and poor, over many years through training by the Church. The goal was to give these children a beautiful skill that met a need. The need was singers, musicians, and choir directors for churches. After Napolean attacked Rome, that system suffered. Into that void came comfortable people hoping to "learn" what they saw performed by well trained and selected professionals. The system that developed (Roman numeral chord symbols is a part of this) served to teach about music but could never replace or match the system that developed across the previous centuries that relied on singing for years before touching an insrument and the practical training that accompanied it over the maturation of the child. (Haydn being an example, maybe a very late example, of what that system could produce.) Instead we have people being taught about something who have not lived it to actually know it. It's the same system that is teaching about psychology, governance, business or economics, to (at best late-borderline) adolescents and sending them out to practice; as if learning about, from people who don't, is the equal of learning through doing along side those who do.
We are all learning in very practical ways what happens when people elected in conclaves as Pope do not act in communion with the office of Pope (the legal analogy is when a judge or prosector and really the entire legal system act "under the color of law" while violating the law), as we are learning what happens when the worldly forces flood the seminaries with people who had no intent and were incapable of living up to then job of being a priest, bishop, or cardinal. This learning we're undergoing might be analogous to what had to be learned by the people as the religious authorities in the temple in Jerusalem abandoned God so fully that they refused to recognize Him right there in front of him. Maybe the current need among worldly authorities to change definitions to suit their own needs is similar to the changes made in the "masoritic" writings to hide the Truth from those who then rely on those texts.
@@loulasher Great response, much appreciated.
Very well said. I'm a hardliner when it comes to who has the job of preaching and teaching Christs' truth in order to take us into our home for all eternity. As that's what we are on about here - salvation of souls, there is no other dictum! While charity and humility are the cornerstones of being pleasing to Christ, we HAVE to remember who and what we are - a Militant Church! Plain and objective language in truth, guided by Christ's admonition of "ye shall know them by their fruits.." is the both the clue, and remedy, to lay aside the subjective and adopt the objective nature of scripture! This is our armour and strength.
To me there actually is a catechism for this crisis, but we either ignore, dismiss or condemn its nature: these are approved, decreed Heavenly warnings over hundreds of years, from Holy and declared saints of the Church, as to what we are to do. Quito is the great beginning for our era.
Lord, bless these priests who are really concerned about salvation of souls, Lord give us many and holy priests like them to preach truth to all humanity.
If every Catholic focused on their salvation and obeyed the commands of the Blessed Mother at Fatima, God will awaken from his sleep and destroy his enemies as promised! The Immaculate Heart of Mary will triumph and I pray that I live to see it.
And that's the reality, thank you for an objective truth, as coming from heaven, and not the opinions of Men!
God will awaken from His sleep? God never rests!
@@MichElle-zc9tu lol he rested on the Sabbath
I think he meant that Christ (God) was asleep on the boat until the disciples awakened Him.
Insightful. Thank you. God inspire.
What a wonderful advent to have these 2 fine favorite Priests on ask
Father❣️ Loving my Fatima Center this year for sure, thank you. I offered my 3 Hail Mary's for you this morning
Our Lady said, “Pray for The Pope” I honestly don’t know who I’m praying for, so, I pray for the two of them, along with, the cardinals, bishops and Holy Priests.
Kind regards to all of you,
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You should do what our Blessed Mother is asking us to do.
She knows what she’s asking for.
Fr. Rodriguez,unity only in truth
This is a beautiful and necessary video. It is clear what we do know. And we do it. The key is do we know all? What is it we do not know ? Certainly God knows. For the sake of our souls we pray to understand what we do not yet know, while pastoring our flocks in humility patience and perseverance, until Our Lord lifts this confusion. The Church has endured trials! For I, through the law, am dead to the law, that I may live to God: with Christ I am nailed to the cross. For I, through the law, am dead to the law, that I may live to God: with Christ I am nailed to the cross. Galatians 2:19
All is known already which direction it reveals. Let us walk together in Love and fulfillment. You are all beautiful sons of Our Father and Triumphant Mother!
Thank you good and holy priests I enjoyed listen to you but I should add I missed a prayer at the beginning and a blessing at the end maybe next time god bless all of us from australia
I am glad this topic is finally being discussed. It shouldn't be a taboo.
It distresses me that we need to have this discussion. When I saw the Pope approve of the idol, I was mortified. I am in no way a lesser sinner, however, to see the Pope and other leaders of the church to do and say things I grew up KNOWING it is wrong, to worship and encourage others to accept an idol and to receive the Eucharist with having committed a mortal sin without receiving absolution is against what we know to be wrong. I thank you for this dialogue, will continue to pray for the Pope, the Church, leaders of the church and most especially all our holy priests .
Great talk and exchange of views, clearing and worthwhile!
Great video, nice to see priest and laymen who love the truth
This is a huge question. You can see it weighs heavy on the priests.
It's a great relief to hear you good priests say that Bergoglia is not the Pope. I feel in my heart that Pope Benedict XVI is the true Pope.
It is also important to do your homework and most Catholics fail miserably at learning and studying the faith. The late Benedict XVI was a Modernist heretic, an architect of Vatican II, who along with JPII, consecrated most of the heretical Modernist bishops in office today. Many of these men are also sodomites. The books of the late JPII and Benedict XVI are stuffed with heresies and those who READ the Church Doctors, know the DOGMAS and doctrines are not confused in the slightest. I am grateful to the late Frs. Malachi Martin, Gregory Hesse and Nicholas Gruner for revealing the counterfeit Novus Ordo sect decades ago.
My question is, who are you and what are you really doing? It's a question we all should ask ourselves. Who am I, and what is my legacy going to be. What will I have really done ten, fifteen, twenty years from now to show my allegiance to Holy Mother Church. There is an old saying that even a bad dog will not bite the hand that feeds it. Glory to God. ❤❤❤
THANKU PADRES! WE LOVE U
LOVE THESE PRIESTS!
Jesus said you know a tree by its fruits. God bless you Fathers
Yes thank you
Thanks Fathers the Church is being destroyed from within.
Yep..freemasons plans from the get go
At the behest of outsiders, yes.
Excerpts from Blessed Mother's Message No. 407 to Father Gobbi, Marian Movement of Priests (on 666 and the 3rd manifestation of Satan in human history): "In this period of time around year 3x666=1998, Freemasonry, assisted by its ecclesiastical form, will succeed in its great design: that of setting up an idol to put in the place of Christ and His Church. A false christ and a false church. Consequently, the statue built in honor of the first beast, to be adored by all the inhabitants of the earth and which will seal with its mark all those who want to buy or sell, is that of the Antichrist. You have thus arrived at the peak of the purification, the great tribulation, and the apostasy. The apostasy will be, as of then, generalized because almost all will follow the false christ and the false church. Then the door will open for the appearance of the man or the very person of the Antichrist.
I have wanted to enlighten you concerning the pages of the Apocalypse to prepare you with Me for the most painful and decisive part of the great struggle fought out between your Heavenly Mother and all the forces of evil which have been let loose. Take courage! Be strong, My little children. To you befalls the duty, in these difficult years, of remaining faithful to Christ and His Church, putting up with hostility, struggle, and persecution. But you are a precious part of the little flock, which has the task of fighting against and, in the end, conquering the powerful force of the Antichrist. I am forming you all, defending you, and blessing you!"
It is being attacked because the laity has not embraced our duty to resist heresy to its face and fighting for the true faith.
@@bobtosi9346 unfortunately, the majority of the laity are not well formed and don't have a clue that any of this is happening. I have come to understand this after attempting to bring up this subject many times to many "Catholics" and getting a look like we are nuts for thinking anything is wrong. The fight is left to those whose eyes are open to the situation.
Just great, Fathers and David.
Really appreciate your answers and advice. May God bless you abundantly and our holy Mother protect you always🙏🙏🙏
Fr. Mawdsley's answers resonate with me. Lay people just need to carry on being Catholic, ignore Francis' words and put ourselves under the guidance of the Two Holy Hearts.
Spiritual Pride. Sometimes peole learn the truth of something and the Demon uses that truth to get the person to commit spiritual pride.
When I was a Baptist child, and my Dad wanted to make a point of truth, he'd ask "is the Pope Catholic?" I didn't know really what the Pope did or understand what the Catholic Church is then (we had a little aversion to all things Catholic), but I knew that the Pope is Catholic.
These last few years, though (I've been a Catholic for 35 years, since I was 21 praise God!) this question of my Dad has come to my mind, and I have to really wonder, IS the Pope Catholic?
I came into the "novus ordo" Church, not understanding what the TLM was all about, and had conversations with my SSPX Grandma that went nowhere. About 5 years ago, my Parish got a new Associate Priest who was fairly recently ordained. He wore a Cassock and was allowed to celebrate the TLM in the next county. My Grandma died. A couple years after Grandma's passing I absolutely KNEW I must veil because the Blessed Sacrament is all Holy. Then a couple of years later I KNEW I had to kneel to receive Our Lord. It was an absolute certainty and I couldn't NOT. We have a newly-ordained Associate Priest. Sadly he wasn't ordained with the ability to celebrate the TLM!!!!! 😡 What's WRONG with Pope Francis??? Is he a freemason or something? Or is he just a bad Pope? Is someone under him writing in his stead? Does he even know what's being said in his name? Why did he give interviews to that atheist Italian who never takes notes? Why did he mandate the jab??? And I saw a video of the imposter Sr. Lucy. I understand now. And WHAT are the "words odious to Me" in the new Mass that Jesus told to Marie-Julie Jahenny 60 years BEFORE Paul VI and the New Mass???
This is the conversation all traditional Catholics need to listen to. God bless these men for having it. Without hyperbole, and without finger-pointing, how do we keep in union with the Vicar of Christ when he is acting evil?
Yes I found this very helpful. My stand on Pope Francis is well expressed from the lips of Fr Rodrigues.
It’s true that in the past, perhaps people didn’t know who the Pope was, but today this is different. We hear what he says, without difficulty. We look for information because we are often without good sermons, parishes, even people to pray with. We feel obliged to find a ‘community’ on the internet. This is another reason why there can be an obsession about Francis.
Another point is that it matters and could touch the lives of lay people very badly if they were accused of saying the wrong things and tried to use their faith and conscience as a defence A lawyer could say that this is untrue. ‘Your Pope does not believe what you believe!’This is what has happened to the venerable Cardinal Zen in a big way. Certainly it could happen to us especially regarding abortion/vaccines/climate change etc. thank you for all you do in the Immaculate Heart.
Yes, excellent points. When I was fired from healthcare for following my conscience, i was told by my secular employer, your pope says you are wrong. Pure evil.
I love these two Priests. God bless and protect both of them. Thank you for talking about this issue. It is very true that at times it becomes very confusing to me about who is the Pope... And, I hear/ read of all the things Francis is doing wrong and against Church teachings better yet God's teachings and commandments I am not going to obeyed the Pope. I am going to resist the evil wicked godless agenda that is the opposite of God's laws and commandments.
Utube is watching. Had trouble opening this. Thanks.
My daily morning prayers I pray for the pope and the conversion of Bergolio.🙏😔
And why are we not investigating about the two Sister Lucia.😔
Amen! the law of prayer is the law of belief.
Watch this -- it explains a lot, quite clearly. th-cam.com/video/B7xiFCAgwTc/w-d-xo.html
Thank you for all of the important things of being faithful. We must pray for Peter who is still standing in Rome. We are with God and believe in Jesus Christ. We pray for our pope.
Thanks be to God for the Fatima Center. May God bless and ptotect Fr Rodriguez and Fr Mawdsley, The Venerable Fulton Sheen said that the anti-Christ doesn't advertize himself as the anti-Christ. He will present himself as a peacemaker a charitable man, someone who respects al religions... On one hand we want to respect the authority of the Pope, but when it comes to the prophecies of Venerable Fulton Sheen, we are stuck and confused, to the point we don't want to believe it's happening!!! Lord, save Your Holy Church and save us!
These 2 priests are brave as well of many other priests amen
God said beware of Wolves in Sheep’s clothing there’s something going very wrong in the Catholic Church, when we could shop for food and the priests were not allowed to feed their flock even outside in the Church grounds in the open air 😢 God help us all
Fr Rodriguez you are a Priest don't you think the words" whom am I " from your mouth is not humility is offensive to Jesus? After all when you are on the Altar performing a Sacrement you have Jesus Power. When Pope Francis said " who am I to judge " comit grave insult to Jesus.
I have held , since 2012, that the Siri Thesis is the best explanation for what has happened since the death of Pius XII in 1958.
When I accepted it I could see John XXIII telling a lie that the Church has no enemies.
Head On, Thank You!
Yes! Duty, Rosary, Scapular.
Bergolio’s words upon the passing of Hebe de Bonafini say everything one needs to know about this man. God help us
Prayers for the Holy Father.
“The work of human hands” - Fr Anthony Cekada
Most Holy Family Monastery was right all along.
That’s the first thing that came to my mind
@@marietheresa1709 I resisted the truth they spoke for about a year. I was Baptized in a Novus Ordo "parish" in 2021. I then went to a quite traditional TLM parish and didn't want to admit that it was also a fraud. The grace of God will replace your attachments to people and buildings with true peace and understanding once you accept His full truth. God bless.
Weak tea & a step forward, at the same time. I'd paraphrase it as "Look at us - we're discussing the question - it should be discussed - but we don't know the answer and who among us can know?" But to know - to reach a certain conclusion - is necessary & valid. You may arrive at the wrong conclusion. But the motive - the fact that you did your best to reach a conclusion - is absolutely right.
For me, it doesn't matter who the Pope is; it's more important to know our Faith very well, so that we know what is required of us, so that if a Pope making statements that are contrary to what Jesus has taught us, then we need to follow Jesus, rather than the Pope. Prayer is important especially to our Lady!
Agree about following Jesus, but the Fake pope is leading the weak to hell
We need to change the way the Pope is chosen.
wwJd?
Thank you, Father Rodriguez, for speaking of the Athenasian Creed. I don't remember ever hearing of it, but that's clearly my fault.
Who anyone in positions of power or authority are might come down to not by accepting someone else's word for it but by the fruits they bear.
The Athanasian Creed can be found on page 1799 of 1962 Roman Catholic Daily Missal. 🦘🌴
@@johnmorgan4313 thanks!
The confusion is part of our purification 🔥Is very hard to be Catholic to stay and the only Jesus Church ⛪️ and not trust Francis, and pray for him ! 😢 But Jesus will put everything in order sooner or latter. We need to learn and to see the difference between being obedient and not obey certain things. I try to imagine Judas ! Jesus knew ! And he not reyected him ! Yes. We need you good priests! Thank you! God bless you!
The three of you ❤️❤️❤️
Bishops voice !!!! We need them also !
This is a hugh test !
Prayers for all our church ! Saint Michael archangel! Pray for us.
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Great take on the issue. None of us know for certain who is the Pope.
St. Robert Bellarmine:
“A Pope who is a manifest heretic automatically ceases to be a Pope and head, just as he ceases automatically to be a Christian and a member of the Church. Wherefore, he can be judged and punished by the Church. This is the teaching of all the ancient Fathers who teach that manifest heretics immediately lose all jurisdiction.”
Wernz-Vidal - Canon Law, 1943
“Through notorious and openly divulged heresy, the Roman Pontiff, should he fall into heresy, by that very fact(ipso facto) is deemed to be deprived of the power of jurisdiction even before any declaratory judgment by the Church… A Pope who falls into public heresy would cease ipso facto to be a member of the Church; therefore, he would also cease to be head of the Church.” And also: “A doubtful pope is no pope.”
Catholic Encyclopedia, 1913
“The Pope himself, if notoriously guilty of heresy, would cease to be Pope because he would cease to be a member of the Church.”
Pope Innocent III:
“The Pope should not flatter himself about his power nor should he rashly glory in his honor and high estate, because the less he is judged by man, the more he is judged by God. Still the less can the Roman Pontiff glory because he can be judged by men, or rather, can be shown to be already judged, if for example he should wither away into heresy; because he who does not believe is already judged, In such a case it should be said of him: ‘If salt should lose its savor, it is good for nothing but to be cast out and trampled under foot by men.’”
Matthaeus Conte a Coronata - Institutiones Iuris Canonici, 1950
“If indeed such a situation would happen, he (the Roman Pontiff) would, by divine law, fall from office without any sentence, indeed, without even a declaratory one. He who openly professes heresy places himself outside the Church, and it is not likely that Christ would preserve the Primacy of His Church in one so unworthy. Wherefore, if the Roman Pontiff were to profess heresy, before any condemnatory sentence (which would be impossible anyway) he would lose his authority.”
A. Vermeersch - Epitome Iuris Canonici, 1949
“At least according to the more common teaching; the Roman Pontiff as a private teacher can fall into manifest heresy. Then, without any declaratory sentence (for the Supreme See is judged by no one), he would automatically (ipso facto) fall from power which he who is no longer a member of the Church is unable to possess.”
Edward F. Regatillo - Institutiones Iuris Canonici, 1956
“‘The pope loses office ipso facto because of public heresy.’ This is the more common teaching, because a pope would not be a member of the Church, and hence far less could he be its head.”
The constant refrain of “diabolical disorientation“ gets really old. What’s happening isn’t a matter of mere disorientation; it’s a matter of apostasy most foul.
Thanks you father for talking about what I'm thinking , the reference in the church is gone my God forgive them
Great discussion. Yes I question all these things. I have been watching some of the sedevacantists-Dimond Brothers talks on the papacy. Something to think about and discern. But staying close to Our Lord and our Blessed Mother for guidance always.
Go to Novus Ordo Watch.
@@connieaguayo9591 Are you referring to Mgr. Fulton Sheen's Warning of the future false church that he wrote about in 1948, and which he got right?
Fr Michael, could I come with you please on a Fatima trip, I am coming from Ireland
I contacted about a thousand Bishops - not one of them answered concerning my points which are about the Commandments of Christ according to the Apostles! Your respons will decide your Salvation! Father L.C. Remenyik
A good conversation and we see how even the finest and best informed struggle mightily in trying to figure out what is going on. To all those who claimed Benedict was still the true pontiff, what do you say now that he is buried? Is Francis a bad but valid pope or is the chair desolate? I pray for him daily that IF he is the pope he repents publicly, and that if he is not, it is exposed.
Thank you very much for covering this subject. Dr. Peter Chojnowski often appeared with Fr. Gruner at his conferences. Would you mind having a look at his Sr. Lucy truth evidence. May Almighty God bless you all. From Ireland 🇮🇪
VIVA CHRISTO REY🌹
To know who the Pope is, is of primary importance: it is the duty and the right of every catholic. (CATECHISM)
God is the only one who knows who is the Pope, but Christ is the head of the Church and I follow Him as well as tradition.
If Bergoglio is not the true pope, we have a problem. If he IS the true pope, we have a bigger problem.
I love being a traditional Catholic blessed to attend TLM. I'm a revert, cradle Catholic, and have searched a lot to return to the traditions I had received as a child. No more, no more, no more, making it up as the next Pope thinks.... Francis is going against the very Magisterium my forefathers died for. So, yes, I can have an opinion. I am not braindead. St. Robert Bellarmine clearly stated that a Pope becomes a heretic if he does not uphold the Traditional Magisterium. Stop stripping our duty (not just a right) of the Catachized and Confirmed Laity to defend the Faith. And Priests, before you were a Priest, you were Catachized and Confirmed. You are Soldiers of the Church militant. Defend the Faith. Otherwise, will Christ find Faith when He returns?
Absolutely pray for the souls of both Bishops in White in Rome. But follow the traditional Catholic Faith. 🙏
Saint Malachy -Catherine Emmerich-Sister Lucia Fatima- Garabandal-Giuseppe Auricchia- Anguera (the blessed mother).They all tell us who is the pope
Confusion is not from God therefore Satan is involved.
I hope the few good bishops left will have this discussion also, and especially address the reasons why we are in this situation... the errors and heretical statements in the V2 documents. Especially dealing with false ecumenism, religious liberty & collegiality or trying to make the church a democracy instead of a monarchy. Or bring back & condemn the heresy of Modernism like Pope St. Pius X had warned us about!!
Is that a, "What Catholics Believe" pen? I know that was pretty random, haha. This was a wonderful episode. Deus benedicat.
For me Our Pope is still Pope Benedict XVI. Thank you Fr. JM and Fr. Rodriquez for clarification.
It is a big issue having an evil pope, we need a shepherd to follow, now we are like lost sheep, I pray for a holy pope, true faithful to our Lord and his teachings 🙏🏻
Bless you all gentlemen. One person, we know for sure knows the truth of his elevation and that is Jorge himself. Just as the cursed Marxists know that a man in a dress is a man, they don't want to prove that he is a 'woman', they only want to force you say he is a woman, the same sort just want you to acknowledge Jorge as Pope no matter what he does or does not do. Look to the source at what Jorge says himself: he doesn't claim to be the Vicar of Christ only the Bishop of Rome. He does't follow Canon Law making himself a criminal when all he need do is change the law to suit his purpose. He doesn't kneel nor genuflect towards the Blessed Sacrament nor explain why. Finally, when the real Jorge oozes out in anger, he will even strike his sheep with blatant spiritual violent (TC) or even physically strike them like that poor Chinese woman who clasped his hand. I take him at his word and behavior--that's not the Pope.
Can someone explain how it's possible to recognize a man as a legitimate pope, claim to be in union with that pope and claim to resist him at the same time? If you resist him, you're not in union with him. If you recognize a man as a pope and resist him, your soul is probably in trouble.
The Pope represents the faith that has come down to us from the Apostles. Union with the Pope means union with the Apostolic faith codified in the catechism. So if the Pope deviates from that faith we should resist him in order for us to remain in the faith. We are in union with the office of the Pope, and not with errors from any individual pope.
@@dragonfly656 For me, I definitely recognize the papacy and the full authority and stature of that role. With that in mind, I don't believe Francis is the pope.
@@dragonfly656 no that’s not how it works. The current pope is the proximate rule of Faith for the faithful. That logic makes you the superior of the current pope. Jorge is rule of Faith leads to Hell. So he cannot be Pope for that reason alone.
Ding, ding, ding. You cannot. The point of recognizing is following, otherwise he is a cardboard pope, for “display purposes only.”
@@smurfred1 "we do not follow the pope." Wrong. When we follow the Pope, we follow Christ. That's what Christ taught. "He who hear YOU, Hears ME." Do we hear Christ when we hear Francis? Of course not, it would be blasphemy to suggest that we do.
"If anyone thus speaks, that the Roman Pontiff has only the office of inspection or direction, but not the full and supreme power of jurisdiction over the universal Church, not only in things which pertain to faith and morals, but also in those which pertain to the discipline and government of the Church spread over the whole world; or, that he possesses only the more important parts, but not the whole plenitude of this supreme power; or that this power of his is not ordinary and immediate, or over the churches altogether and individually, and over the pastors and the faithful altogether and individually: let him be anathema."
(First Vatican Council, Dogmatic Constitution Pastor Aeternus, Chapter 3; Denz. 1831.)
Now imagine applying this to apostate Bergoglio. He is no Pope.
Thank you so much for this video. So much truth was said. Praise God! It was so good to hear priests not to be afraid to question what we obviously see as really bad moves in the church by Bergoglio and administrators in the Vatican. The only thing about this video that made me “uncomfortable” was that the positioning of the two priests, felt awkward. They looked like they felt awkward. I would suggest a different positioning of the guest commentators.
To our brother Catholics in China the question of Who is the pope is extremely important. Francis has given the nod to the CCP to crush Catholicism in China by his concordat
In the writings of Benedict XV there are warnings of one world government and a one world religion. I have often thought that the reason that Cardinal Ratzinger took the name Benedict XVI is because we are living under what Benedict XV warned of. Whether by his own intention or by Divine Inspiration. Pius X and Benedict XV, two great men from the same Era who warned of the errors of our era.
And yet Pope Benedict XVI accepted a completely new and unnecessary title which has produced great confusion instead of going back to his former title as bishop Ratzinger (the papacy is not a sacrament, after all) - this is discussed by bishop Athanasius Schneider in his book The Spring That Never Came. Pope Benedict XVI is a highly intelligent man, holy in many ways, but he has also made questionable choices.
We must reground ourselves often. As to not get obsessed.
Follow a good Bishop, he will always make a good decision on confusing topics, like “who is the Pope?” It is better to follow a Bishop, always. Brothers do not get lost. The Holy Catholic Church, His Church always has great Apostles, Bishops. Viva Cristo Rey!!!
How do you pray for the pope by name if you're really not sure which pope is the pope? I just pray for the true pope and then I don't worry. Thank you Fr.'s and David. I truly believe that when God wants us to know the truth about this, He will reveal it. I don't think He wants us spending our lives wringing our hands trying to figure out this riddle. I believe He wants us to know our faith and trust Him.
What a wonderful discussion. Maybe a future discussion can address how to defend the Church against Protestants who use our current "pope"(?) to attack the faith. It's hard to defend the papacy with its current occupant. Maybe we have to do a conditional union with the pope (like a conditional Baptism) at this point, as it seems obvious that there is definitely something amiss and we just do not know who the current pope actually is.
I'm wondering if there's more protestant in the catholic now than there was pre vat2!
@@nifty1940 Me too, since V2 and it's "mass" is protestant at its core.
At my FSSP parish we just pray for "the Pope." I guess they're leaving it up to the pew potatoes to choose who they wish to pray for. 🤣
Gee…..that’s a little cruel…..calling them pew potatoes 🥔.
@@The12thSeahorse I'm pretty darn sure I'm a bit older than you are. It's an old designation from the 50's and early 60's. Not at all cruel. I'd prefer to be a pew potato than a "member of the laity." Ugh...😇
The question is easily answered by canon 332 par. 2. Benedict xvi has Not abdicated, he has kept the munus having resigned only from the ministerium. Why because he is being impeded to carry out his duties.