Granted, my seminary experience is long past, but I can honestly say that my seminary time did little to prepare me to what I was going to face when I got into local church ministry. Perhaps there should be more classes on finance and time management and conflict resolution. Don't get me wrong--I'm a sola scriptura guy. I understand the necessity of studying the Scriptures and being able to share that information, but I was woefully under-prepared with some of the realities of "real" ministry. Perhaps we need to have more pastors teaching classes. That might cut back on the drop-out rate of pastors as well.
As a pastor that is not doing their doctorate, I absolutely agree with you. The theology is absolutely necessary, but so is all the other stuff like "conflict management."
When I attended Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary, every single professor I had except for Marriage counseling and Family Therapy was an ordained minister active in pulpit ministry from Naine to Marylamd and Los Angeles to London. True Story.
I don’t know why we would expect to learn finance and time management from a theological school. Pastoral ministry is complex. If you expect one school to “do it all” for you, it’s probably going to be sub-par in everything.
Why aren't the churches helping to pay for this? If a church is to receive an ordained pastor, why shouldn't they sponsor said pastor during his training?
Hello brothers, I just got excepted to Spurgeon College for the Excelerator program. I am very much against any form of debt, and as my wife and I are about to enter the mission field in Iceland, being supported and doing fundraisers, living on other support...My question is why or how does the price get so high to learn how to expose the word of God in these settings? Thank you for your time.
Tuition per semester hour AT RTS. $585.00. Just reduce the price. PERIOD. Secular schools and degrees have several funding support. Healtcare, Educational facilities and many other jobs pay for continuing education but not for Biblical and/or religious studies.
Don't worry the Holy Spirit will teach us all things.. 1 Corinthians 2: 9-13 .. v9. However, as it is written: “What no eye has seen, what no ear has heard, and what no human mind has conceived”- the things God has prepared for those who love him- 10 these are the things God has revealed to us by his Spirit.The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. 11 For who knows a person’s thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12 What we have received is not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may understand what God has freely given us. 13 This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, explaining spiritual realities with Spirit-taught words.
Currently enrolled in an online seminary program but I hope to attend a brick and mortar institution after my completing my current program. Dr. DeYoung expresses my thoughts exactly. RTS is toward the top of the list 🙂
Once again the comparison of a medical doctor to a preacher…not the same. Any christian who is saved should be able to share the gospel and not need a doctors degree. That is why there is a downfall in seminaries that attitude
Great discussion though I would have really appreciated if there were professors from other Reformed seminaries also brought to the table to talk on this topic eg WesCal, Covenant or WesPhil considering it's about the "state of seminaries"
Questions: where is one seminary in the Bible? Did the Lord Jesus Christ had one or He trained His disciples for free? Did Paul an apostle charged a lot of money to Timothy or Titus for teaching them biblical theology? Did Peter accepted money from Simon later on? (Acts 8:17-21) Seems to me, seminaries are money making business because equipping the saints and pastors should be free. Revelation 22:17 The Spirit and the bride say, “Come.” And let the one who hears say, “Come.” And let the one who is thirsty come; let the one who wishes take the water of life without cost.
I support academics but anyone can paint but not everyone is an artist. Sadly, many seminaries produce house painters but not artists. Practicing medicine is an art more than a science so is pastoral ministry. My comment after auditing a class from a prominent seminary was "and this had to do with what?" We need to really need a second reformation.
Segregation into different denominations plays a part in this, not only reduction of Christian population. Catholic seminaries don’t have much problem as the Protestants do. So it would be helpful if Protestants strive to have evangelical interdenominational seminaries.
One of the major problems is that many Bible colleges and seminaries that are supposed to be theologically conservative are embracing CRT. Christians in China pray that Christian institutions will remain biblically and doctrinally sound.
Need more of seminary education. Need to bring more Pentecostals into seminaries. I am talking about Indian Pentecostals. They really dumb down the faith.
There is a difference between reading books about the Bible and learning to be a medical doctor. If this is the best illustration you can come up with, then this seminary is in trouble. You did not offer a solution; your response did not do anything to entice students to spend 100 grand. You guys are stooges.
Isaiah 52:15 so shall he startle many nations kings shall shut their mouths because of him; for that which has not been told them they shall see, and that which they have not heard they shall understand. Leviticus 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that make an atonement for the soul. We couldn't see the extent of "IT IS FINISHED" the earth quaked the rock split at the foot of the Cross, Yeshua's blood was released by the Roman soldier who pierced his side. While Six hundred years earlier The Ark of the Covenant was moved.. Solomon prepared for its hiding and Jeremiah moved it precisely under the cross yet future! GOLGOTHA.
THE WITNESS OF THE BLOOD IN THE STARS.. REVELATION 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Yeshua.
The Rabbi's keep the tablets of stone and His blood (testimony) found on the mercy seat! I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourn for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. ENMITY exists now the solution is the Fathers witness! 1 John 5:8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. 10 He that believe on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believe not God hath made him a liar; because he believe not the record that God gave of his Son. th-cam.com/video/hnxmoF0UZhc/w-d-xo.html Rabbi Chaim Richman th-cam.com/video/qAFtormiU_0/w-d-xo.html 3 minutes th-cam.com/video/CsjusN6VVko/w-d-xo.html 56 minutes For it is by His grace we are rescued, through faith; and this is not of yourselves, but it is the gift of Elohim. (when opened). 9. Not of works, or else anyone glory (in themselves). 10. For we are His creation who are created in Y'shua the Mashiyach for good works which Elohim has before prepared for us to walk in. 11. Wherefore be mindful that you formerly were carnal Gentiles; and you were called the uncircumcision by that which is called the circumcision of which is the work of the hands in the flesh. 12. And you were, at that time, without the Mashiyach; and were aliens from the Devarim of Israel; and strangers to the covenant of the promise; and were without hope and without Elohim in the world. 13. But now, by Y'shua the Mashiyach, you who before were afar off, have been brought near by the Blood of the Mashiyach. 14. He is Himself our peace, who has made the two (become) ONE
Granted, my seminary experience is long past, but I can honestly say that my seminary time did little to prepare me to what I was going to face when I got into local church ministry. Perhaps there should be more classes on finance and time management and conflict resolution. Don't get me wrong--I'm a sola scriptura guy. I understand the necessity of studying the Scriptures and being able to share that information, but I was woefully under-prepared with some of the realities of "real" ministry. Perhaps we need to have more pastors teaching classes. That might cut back on the drop-out rate of pastors as well.
As a pastor that is not doing their doctorate, I absolutely agree with you. The theology is absolutely necessary, but so is all the other stuff like "conflict management."
Where did you attend seminary? Where would you have gone had you to do it all over again?
@@bezelapplegate4117 some pastors opt to do that and still send the young men to school
When I attended Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary, every single professor I had except for Marriage counseling and Family Therapy was an ordained minister active in pulpit ministry from Naine to Marylamd and Los Angeles to London. True Story.
I don’t know why we would expect to learn finance and time management from a theological school. Pastoral ministry is complex. If you expect one school to “do it all” for you, it’s probably going to be sub-par in everything.
Why aren't the churches helping to pay for this? If a church is to receive an ordained pastor, why shouldn't they sponsor said pastor during his training?
It is unethical for Seminaries to charge that much for tuition .
Hello brothers, I just got excepted to Spurgeon College for the Excelerator program.
I am very much against any form of debt, and as my wife and I are about to enter the mission field in Iceland, being supported and doing fundraisers, living on other support...My question is why or how does the price get so high to learn how to expose the word of God in these settings? Thank you for your time.
Such an amazing conversation. I wish congress was having a conversation like this regarding education as a whole.
Tuition per semester hour AT RTS. $585.00. Just reduce the price. PERIOD. Secular schools and degrees have several funding support. Healtcare, Educational facilities and many other jobs pay for continuing education but not for Biblical and/or religious studies.
Seminary is not like medical school, so that certainly doesn't help the argument.
This is an issue that is on my heart. Are you willing to take suggestions on how to lower costs for Seminary students?
Don't worry the Holy Spirit will teach us all things.. 1 Corinthians 2: 9-13 ..
v9. However, as it is written:
“What no eye has seen,
what no ear has heard,
and what no human mind has conceived”-
the things God has prepared for those who love him-
10 these are the things God has revealed to us by his Spirit.The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. 11 For who knows a person’s thoughts except their own spirit within them? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12 What we have received is not the spirit of the world, but the Spirit who is from God, so that we may understand what God has freely given us. 13 This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, explaining spiritual realities with Spirit-taught words.
Actually...what's a recipe for disaster is REFORMED Theology aka Five Point Calvinism!
Currently enrolled in an online seminary program but I hope to attend a brick and mortar institution after my completing my current program. Dr. DeYoung expresses my thoughts exactly. RTS is toward the top of the list 🙂
Once again the comparison of a medical doctor to a preacher…not the same. Any christian who is saved should be able to share the gospel and not need a doctors degree. That is why there is a downfall in seminaries that attitude
I have studied under DR. Bill Vinson of SWBTS out FT. Worth and the 4Disciples was a masterful study to me and it was free.
Brother you will regret becoming a slave to the lender by going to a Seminary. If it's Gods will it's Gods bill.
Great discussion though I would have really appreciated if there were professors from other Reformed seminaries also brought to the table to talk on this topic eg WesCal, Covenant or WesPhil considering it's about the "state of seminaries"
Questions: where is one seminary in the Bible? Did the Lord Jesus Christ had one or He trained His disciples for free? Did Paul an apostle charged a lot of money to Timothy or Titus for teaching them biblical theology? Did Peter accepted money from Simon later on? (Acts 8:17-21)
Seems to me, seminaries are money making business because equipping the saints and pastors should be free.
Revelation 22:17
The Spirit and the bride say, “Come.” And let the one who hears say, “Come.” And let the one who is thirsty come; let the one who wishes take the water of life without cost.
I support academics but anyone can paint but not everyone is an artist. Sadly, many seminaries produce house painters but not artists. Practicing medicine is an art more than a science so is pastoral ministry. My comment after auditing a class from a prominent seminary was "and this had to do with what?" We need to really need a second reformation.
Thanks for the video RTS!
Segregation into different denominations plays a part in this, not only reduction of Christian population. Catholic seminaries don’t have much problem as the Protestants do. So it would be helpful if Protestants strive to have evangelical interdenominational seminaries.
Grace and peace! ✌😎✌
This is a good one.
Open up a campus in Philadelphia, 🙏.
One of the major problems is that many Bible colleges and seminaries that are supposed to be theologically conservative are embracing CRT. Christians in China pray that Christian institutions will remain biblically and doctrinally sound.
your invited to more theology at Nugget of Truth..thanks for your posts :)
No thanks.
Need more of seminary education. Need to bring more Pentecostals into seminaries. I am talking about Indian Pentecostals. They really dumb down the faith.
There is a difference between reading books about the Bible and learning to be a medical doctor. If this is the best illustration you can come up with, then this seminary is in trouble. You did not offer a solution; your response did not do anything to entice students to spend 100 grand. You guys are stooges.
Isaiah 52:15 so shall he startle many nations kings shall shut their mouths because of him; for that which has not been told them they shall see, and that which they have not heard they shall understand. Leviticus 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that make an atonement for the soul.
We couldn't see the extent of "IT IS FINISHED" the earth quaked the rock split at the foot of the Cross, Yeshua's blood was released by the Roman soldier who pierced his side. While Six hundred years earlier The Ark of the Covenant was moved.. Solomon prepared for its hiding and Jeremiah moved it precisely under the cross yet future! GOLGOTHA.
THE WITNESS OF THE BLOOD IN THE STARS.. REVELATION 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Yeshua.
The Rabbi's keep the tablets of stone and His blood (testimony) found on the mercy seat!
I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourn for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
ENMITY exists now the solution is the Fathers witness!
1 John 5:8 And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one.9 If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his Son. 10 He that believe on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believe not God hath made him a liar; because he believe not the record that God gave of his Son.
th-cam.com/video/hnxmoF0UZhc/w-d-xo.html Rabbi Chaim Richman
th-cam.com/video/qAFtormiU_0/w-d-xo.html 3 minutes
th-cam.com/video/CsjusN6VVko/w-d-xo.html 56 minutes
For it is by His grace we are rescued, through faith; and this is not of yourselves, but it is the gift of Elohim. (when opened). 9. Not of works, or else anyone glory (in themselves). 10. For we are His creation who are created in Y'shua the Mashiyach for good works which Elohim has before prepared for us to walk in. 11. Wherefore be mindful that you formerly were carnal Gentiles; and you were called the uncircumcision by that which is called the circumcision of which is the work of the hands in the flesh. 12. And you were, at that time, without the Mashiyach; and were aliens from the Devarim of Israel; and strangers to the covenant of the promise; and were without hope and without Elohim in the world. 13. But now, by Y'shua the Mashiyach, you who before were afar off, have been brought near by the Blood of the Mashiyach. 14. He is Himself our peace, who has
made the two (become) ONE
Stick to the true Church Christ established and become a Catholic