UK TRAIN CRASHES - PADDINGTON RAIL DISASTER - LADBROKE GROVE 1999
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- UK Train Crashes - "Paddington Rail Disaster" - Ladbroke Grove 1999 - Narrated by Richard Vaughan
The last video in our series focuses on the events relating to the UK's worst rail disaster in recent memory. In this programme from "Seconds from Disaster" every avenue and conceivable possibility is explored into the cause of why the driver of a local commuter train passed a red stop signal and collided head on with a high speed express train coming in the opposite direction.
RIP to all the people who died in this accident.
Lol
I was supposed to be on that train that day, but I thank God I missed it. Only to have my leg amputated years later due to sudden onset of severe illness ! If I didn’t get bad luck I’d have no luck at all !!!!
Wow thats like that horror film Final Destination. Still worse things could have happened if you was on that train. Hope your health is better these days!
Sorry mate but it sounds like you messed with gods plan
It’s sad. My parents worked at Reading Station Car Park at the time the crash had happened. They were told by their bosses if the press come in and ask for details, to tell them they don’t know anything. My parents knew a lot of people who they had spoken to every morning who got on that train, who sadly never made it out 😢
I’m sorry but why did they tell them not to say anything to the press? They were just car parking attendants what would they have known?? Sounds a bit weird to me
A friend of mine was killed in this accident. He was a school caretaker and very popular with the kids as well as many others in my home town. He was going to a union meeting and his union had paid for him to travel in 1st Class, which took the brunt of the impact. He was the first victim to be named. I found out in a staff room whilst watching the news. As soon as his picture appeared I said "Oh God, that's Bob". I subsequently came to know another friend who was also on the HS train. He was badly injured, but doesn't like to talk about it much beyond saying how terrible it was.
Personally, I've got to say that I didn't really appreciate some of the sensationalised commentary on this video... seemed to be in poor taste.
I’m so sorry for your loss 🙏
Oh my god, i'm so sorry about bob :(
I didn't even watch it because the first minute is Hollywood clickbait sensationalism. I'm sorry you lost your friend.
That sad😢
I used to take the 8:06 from Paddington to work every morning and sat in the front carriage. Left London shortly before this happened. I’ll never know the people that died in this accident but I would’ve recognised a lot of them I bet. So horrible.
I just came on to remind myself of what happened, as with the train crash in Greece , I couldn't recall anyone in Britain protesting . R.i .p to the lives cut short.
I noticed the crash and fireball they used at the start, was footage of the test train at Derby in the early 80s, that was deliberately sent on a collision course with a nuclear flask,to test the strength of such flasks ,and not the actual accident at Ladbroke Grove, which has been on Y-T, and captured on cctv next to the railway...
RIP to all of the people who died in this horrific accident my commiserations to the families or friends of the victims
Only a few seconds in but feel this documentary was made the American way, everything already seems over dramatised
This indicates the importance of all trains having automatic stopping systems if a driver goes past a red light. Leaving the interpretation of train traffic lights to drivers without having a safety mechanism to stop trains when the drivers do misinterpret them leads to inevitable disasters. Particularly no high speed train should ever allow the driver the whole responsibility of interpreting the train traffic light system. There should be automatic failback control of the train(to stop) when a mistake is made. These are accidents waiting to happen.
Since the mid-1990s the railway was already developing the concept of what was to become TPWS (Train Protection & Warning System) which does just that. It followed the Transport Secretary's agreement with the railway in 1994 that the safety benefits of Automatic Train Protection (ATP) as used on the Great Western and Chiltern lines did not justify the enormous cost of fitting it nationwide. TPWS is designed to achieve most of ATP's overrun protection capability at a fraction of the cost. Just two months before Ladbroke Grove, Parliament passed the Railway Safety Regulations mandating a form of train protection system and TPWS national fitment programme was all done with a couple of years. TPWS is very successful and was the railway's biggest single safety improvement project.
Well yeah but wait until they have driverless trains it will be a lot worse cos how are driverless trains going to be able to read signals
@@benconway9010 driverless trains don't rely on looking at the colour of the signal
R I P. All who died
Fatuous, that the signal company should be prosecuted and fined! There was a freak set of circumstances here, sun at a certain angle reflecting so as to leave an inexperienced driver with the impression it showed amber not red. Thousands of drivers had passed that signal prior to the tragedy; yes it needed correction but no there was no culpable negligence. The firm lost 4 million pounds that could have been used to make the improvement.
once the signal was installed it was railtrack property so it was railtracks who should have changed it
@@flee6818
Remember also that there had been a number of previous SPaDs at SN109, evidence that other drivers had particular problems with it. Indeed Railtrack/ Network Rail HAD changed SN109 (and others on same gantry) to its reverse L shape following one of those previous incidents, but the court agreed with the H&SE prosecutors that this was not enough.
I note the route was set for the Thames train enabling it to crash head on. It would have been safer if those points that were never mentioned had been set to straight ahead.
A tragic loss of life so easily avoided. RIP.
It’s sad what happened like
This film would have been so much better if it's script writers an researchers had actually understood how railway signalling works. They didn't even understand the difference between metric and imperial speed measurements.
So sorry to hear this 😢
For one of those 1990s British train collisions I attempted to deduct what had occurred from the news reports and I had it as commuters departing the crash site and simply wandering off, based on the wreckage, commuter numbers, and subsequent casualty figures.
They did?? 😮
It’s really sad what happened
39:00 If I had seen a SPAD in such a situation: I would put all signals to red and send the All Stop straight away
Yes that's the first reaction a good signaller. Safety first and not worrying about delays caused. But that all changed with privation.
When I left the UK and Network Rail in 2008, it was all about performance, the catch phrase was "Safe Performance" .
Luckily there was still the "Old School' in our Signal Boxes at Banbury & Leamington Spa who would throw a signal back in front of a train and then contact Control in reaction to any incidence.
I hate to think now 14 yrs later with all the fast track university graduates brain washed into performance figures how the signalling centres are run.
"Hey mate, just a call from Joe public about some cows lineside"
"Are they going cause a delay?"
"Not sure, but there are several dozen of them"
" OK better call a friend in Control to get some advise"
The signalling regs were subsequently tightened up to make clear that these actions must be done immediately.
I don’t understand why the interlocking didn’t revert SN146 when SN109 was SPAD and the TC occupied or how the points where set so the head on collision could happen as one train would have had to pass the other at some point if the accident happen happened. Would a signaller advise on this please?
You’ve put a watermark on content that isn’t yours 😂
Many people have reuploaded this video...
1. Wrong cab. 2. Why would he speed up if he knows the next one will be a red?
Probably thought it was a double yellow when in fact it was a red.
Because of sighting of signal SN109 if you watched it properly you would of known that
@Stu Pretty sure that the driver saw the yellow and would've gone, right the next signal is Danger (Red). Drivers should be trained / are trained that if you can't properly read the aspect, treat it like it's a danger / red aspect and report it to the signaller.
Exactly,if he thought it was amber then surely you'd continue with caution expecting a red signal next? 🤔
4:42 wait you can't do that. Red aspect changes to another red aspect through a red aspect
my grandpa nearly got on the HST at stonehouse to London for a meeting in islington but he got feeling something like this would happen and it did so he didn't get on
I remember this happening and unfolding in the news 😢
So tragic, 😢
Why does the 166 have the cab of a 412/ 313 Was it an older design? Or just a hilarious screw up? Also a main reservoir at 0 bar.
I think it was an old design
The had no footage of an 166 cab, I think.
It's a simulation - the general public don't know what the cab layout of a 165 is like
There are no 'amber' signals on British Railways - only Red, Green and YELLOW!
Well said John, I was going to comment on exactly the same thing. Also a Yellow signal is a caution meaning that the next signal is displaying a Stop aspect, therefore the driver should be slowing down NOT accelerating.
But you can't let facts get in the way of dramatic story !!
It's sad but a lesson is told Stand at the back of the train your on
And what if a train passes a signal and crashes to the back of another train? :P
Stand in the middle.^^
@@flyingboy8095 then what about a train spads and accidentally crosses the junction your train is crossing?
@@Tobu9105F That is not really possible in most countries with advanced train protection systems
In the Selby disaster the people in the front carriages survived. It's just luck or bad luck on the day...
In the Eschede crash in Germany, the 2nd carriage & behind were derailed, but the 1st was unscathed. 100 people killed, EXCEPT those in the first carriage.
Rest in peace
Pieces *
8:45 that sounds traumatising
A spiritual dimension? Sure... the very same sunlight that helped you find your way out of the wreckage, _caused the crash,_ making the driver think the crappy signal was amber instead of red.
Yep the sun certainly plays in mysterious ways
@@benconway9010 painful life-changing completely avoidable ways
44:04 HST sound on a Class 390 pendo
Because It is a Class 390
Yeah that genuinely made me laugh
My sympathies with all concerned or affected by this terrible crash. But I have to suggest a case of 'KEEPING THE JOB GOING CULTURE' still ruled then.
(OOPS!) When we passed a field of sheep, my friend pulled down the window and shouted 'MABLE'. Closed the window and sat down. Within 5 minutes we had the carriage to ourselves.
Bell 🛎️ end
Most of the train driving I did was on primarily freight lines that had both wayside signals and cab control signals that are integrated. If a cab signal dropped, the driver has a few seconds to reduce to authorized speed or there would be an automatic full service brake set (not emergency) therefore forced to stop. The "ghost signal" is a true thing. Some wayside signals can be difficult to distinguish at certain times of day. Not much problem when weather is a bit gloomy, or after dark and there's no reflections, but bright sun shiny days can be an issue. Several times I've been grateful for the cab signals and ATC. Then there's very dense fog, to the point you can't see the front of the locomotive and still running track speed. Pucker factor applies here.
Sorry - off-topic. A colleague and I were travaling north with 6 other bowler hatted who ray henrys.
Nobody wears bowler hats anymore. Especially not in a train. Try again.
Did the train drivers die ?
Why would amber ever mean go?
Yellow means 'caution, be prepared to stop at the next signal', it is a warning that the next signal is red. Trains are big and heavy, they take a long time to stop, the HST that crashed at Ladbroke Grove would have taken a mile to stop from full speed, and they cannot swerve or avoid obstacles. You therefore need plenty of advance warning to slow down. Modern brakes are better, but not that much better, especially in poor visibility or where there is low adhesion and anyway you don't wanna be going around using full emergency braking on a regular basis as it is dangerous for the passengers and on board staff who could be in the loo, buying food from a trolley, walking down the aisle, or just sat in their seat drinking their scalding hot coffee. Trains are not cars, railway signals are not traffic lights
@@LUAu101 thanks TIL
I think David died
NSE CLASS 465 VS CLASS 43
It’s a 166 not a 465
0:29 THAT IS THE EASIEST WAY TO GET FIRED!!!! THEY USED THE FLASK TEST!!!!! WHY NOT ANIMATION!?
4:42 That reconstruction of the signal is not accurate. It would actually be showing a yellow, double yellow, or green signal in reality.
No one really cares
Did cooper die
I was not threr
😂😂😂
When they replicated the crash they had a "cart", representing one train, crashing onto another "cart", representing the other train. The problem I notice that one crashed into another but one cart was not moving. It just sat there while the other cart crashed into it. Weren't both trains moving on the track towards each other. In other words, both trains were moving. In replicating the accident, only one cart was crashed into a cart not moving. How is this a replication of the accident? One cart moving into a stable cart. Both should've been moving towards each other. That would've have replicated the wreck. Both going towards each other. Not one crashing into a train not moving.
Yep very true and they would have to have been travelling the same speed as the train as well
Some car drivers speed up at the traffic lights and make it through but for a train that's longer and completely different to car driving its another story and you can't beat the lights. I think he had his wrong driving head on and sped up to beat the lights and the crash was the result. He also had only passed the test to drive the trains so this just added to it. He was inexperienced at driving a train so hadn't made the transition from car to train.
That wasn't a factor at all. It was the combination of an newly-qualified train driver, working in a very complex and busy layout, with some signals that were difficult to see because of various features causing temporary obscurations approaching them. After the collision most Paddington area signals were replaced with more compact LED units mounted a lot lower down to give uninterrupted sightlines, and some changes were made to the controls so that certain signals can no longer be approached simultaneously unless there are points available to divert any overunning train away from a collision path.
Why the hell is the light for go amber and the light for stop red ? It seems insane to me. I don’t get it. Why would you use two colours ( and shapes ) that are relatively similar? For example , you could make the go lights square and a bit smaller and green , make the light flash when it’s stop or any other number of simple things to make the lights for go and stop as distinct and as different as they could possibly be. Red and amber can easily be confused in sunlight , so why use those colours? A static green light and a pulsing red light are much harder to make mistakes with. Surely you would want the maximum amount of difference possible between stop and go.
It’s like having a red wire for live in a plug and an orange wire for neutral or earth. Or having two football teams play with similar coloured shirts. One good example of this principle is golf when you shout Fore ! to indicate a ball is coming. The word Fore ! makes a loud sound and is easy to shout. In addition it’s a distinctive strange sound that is difficult to confuse with other phrases and noises so that people know Fore means ball incoming. The principle of distinct difference is why a cockpit should never have the switch for the ejector seat right next to the air con switch and the same size and colour. It’s a fail safe against human error.
And why is it not like road traffic lights ? Green is go , red is stop.
If you're really interested, red is danger: stop. Yellow is caution: proceed but expect to find the next signal at danger (red). Double yellow, where it occurs, is preliminary caution: expect to find the next signal at yellow and the one after at danger (red). Green is clear: crack on. It's yellow because it's a warning signal of a red to come. Different shapes will not be at all noticeable at any distance, it's a beam of light. There are signals which flash and they have their own meaning, but I wouldn't say having your stop indication dimming and brightening and dimming and brightening is the best idea, nor would it be as easy to pick out through fog or if it's partially obscured by sunlight or branches or any other factor which would mean you want that bright red light shining clearly for as long as possible. Yellow is perfectly easy to distinguish from red hence the billions upon billions of journeys which have been made over more than a hundred years, each of which passes dozens and hundreds of signals, where this hasn't been a problem. And it wasn't here either. The point was the sun washed out the red and appeared to reflect off the yellow lens. It wasn't that the red light was shining clearly but the driver thought it was yellow because they look similar. If you look at the examples in this video you can see that the problem occurs with all the colours and would be just as bad if not worse if one of them started flashing th-cam.com/video/5JlHdBkVS4k/w-d-xo.html
It was the sun that gave the impression the signal was yellow, and the red, being to the left, was probably not visible.. and of course the AWS did not determine the difference between red and yellow, which was normal practice at the time, if the driver had passed yellow signals since leaving Paddington, and the sun gave the impression he had a single yellow, that is why he accelerated, and was perfectly explained in the documentary. the signal was at red.
Bruh who cares😂😂😂😂😂
That's Not a Nice Comment How Would You Like It If You Were In That Situation and The General Public Laughed about It
This is disgusting. Made all "exciting" and "ooh, feel involved with what happened". Yeah, cos it was SUCH an adventure for our friends whose 26 year old son was in the front and so badly burned his body was only identifiable by one small part of him that wasn't mangled and burned - a tattoo he'd got of their family crest two days prior. Exciting enough for you? Walking away from this before I throw up.
How sad that you post this stuff
No it isn't.
"If there was a guard on the train he wouldn’t have ran the red signal"
Torie Privatization of the Railways Caused this Crash. Not an 'accident', was bound to happen. They should have Sued rhe Gov.
I am currently reading Woolmar’s book about this. You’re not wrong. Had a part to play in the signal people not having the facility to call the Thames train directly.
I really hate it when they say things like "they collided at a combined speed of..."
It makes no difference how fast both trains are going; when an object collides with another object, it's no different than colliding with a stationary object. If you were going 70 miles an hour in a car and you collide with another car going 70 miles an hour, then it's the same as colliding with a stationary object when you are going 70 miles an hour.
this dude clearly failed physics.
If 2 cars collide both travelling at 70mph it's the equivalent of one car hitting a stationary object at 140mph.
so where does all the force in the other car go then?
He can balance on waves 'if that's him' but not comprehend basic physics 😂
Now that happend in greece ... too many died...💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀