Good info, thanks! I was skeptical about the Series 80 at first after listening to all the internet BS, but now I think I'd rather have a Series 80 after listening to you!
I've had a Sig Fastback Nightmare for about five years. The trigger is phenomenally crisp, and feels like two and a half pounds, even though it's four pounds. I just found out it's a Series 80. (Never bothered to investigate, and I still don't care.) So I'm with you all the way. If my Sig is a Series 80, then Series 80 is just fine. By the way, I've owned a Colt National Match. Nice gun, but the quality and trigger were no better than my Sig.
I am relatively new to the pistol community. Been shooting about 5 years and as many times as I have had someone explain the difference between series 70 & 80. You did so in about 8 1/2 min. Thank you! My first Colt is was a Colt Gold Cup Trophy Match .45 and the following year I bought a Colt Government Model.45 which is now my EDC. I love both of them! Again, thanks for the explanation. Great job!
rangehot, The best explanation thus far on YT between the series 70 vs the series 80 Colt 1911. You explained the difference in both pistols in down to earth, laymen terms. You certainly got my vote of approval. I just subscribed.
Yes, but without you watching and commenting it would be just me talking to myself so I see it as a symbiotic relationship. I shot this before I had a decent camera, bad audio equipment, and no editing skills. I feel like my newer videos are somewhat better but I still have a lot to learn about shooting and cutting video.
Just found this video. I agree that it is clearly the best video out there explaining the differences between the Series 70 and Series 80 Colts. This cleared up a couple things for me. I've got a 1986 stainless Gold Cup Series 80, and another Colt 1911 marked Series 80. The Gold Cup came with the collet barrel bushing which I have replaced with a standard bushing. It functions exactly like you described and demonstrated. The hammer on the 1911 has been replaced by a previous owner. The replacement hammer has the half-cock hammer hooks you talked about, so it's operating like a Series 70. Many thanks for the excellent clarification.
My ATI government model does not have a firing pin safety yet has a solid barrel bushing. I really like it, it was very cheap 320$, it is well made and works perfectly, It is a plain jane GI model, but that is what I wanted...
I've had both and you are spot on, both had great triggers. The one with collet bushing never broke in over 10,000 rounds but was changed in a rebuild after that along with most internals! Only malfunction ever was from the detention tube coming off a nickeled Colt with rubber grips that didn't cover it, and two cheap mag springs going flat after being left loaded for over a year! That's 3 fails in 15 years and who knows how many round of reloads, hot hollow points, Keith type lead type and you name it! I know I'm fortunate but my 2 Colts and 2 Springfield's both ran everything I put in them, I've only had to tuned the extractors on them and do light polish of feed ramps and one firing pin hole that had a issue!
Good info brother I stumbled on this vid cause I was having a mini meltdown, That delta elite I had posted on your fb page I bought a while back I was going over it tonight giving it a lil inspection because I think I'll have to replace the springs. Well in the process of looking at it, dry firing it etc etc I realized that it barely has a "half cock" position and as you described the hammer will fall from the half cock if the trigger is pulled. I was flipping out lol and I'm by no means a nooB with guns but you can learn something new every day!
Thank you for this fantastic clarification. So what would you call a pre-70 series pistol, like a mil-spec 1911 or 1911A1? Does it have a series #? Or do we just refer to it as a pre-series 70?
1911 if it was made before 1924 and 1911A1 after that. Pre Series 80 designates a Commander without a firing pin safety. There is no such thing as a Series 70 Commander, FYI.
I know this is an older video, but if you happen to read this comment that'd be awesome. What are your thoughts on the Colt CCU government 45? I'm talking about the matte finish solid triggers, not the three hole design. Thanks for the helpful information you put out, it's very much appreciated sir. 👍🏻🇺🇲
The CCU is a fine pistol. I have had the opportunity to run one a few times at Colt media days. If you were in the market for one I would not hesitate to buy it.
@@rangehot Thanks for replying to my question, I very much appreciate it! I just hear a lot of garbage but I take information from people like yourself, Ken Hackathorn, Masaad Ayoob and some guys who have some experience with certain platforms. Have a nice day sir, again thanks for replying. 🇺🇲
@Constitutionalist1791 you are very welcome. I don't deserve to be on the list with Ken and Massad but I am also a student of their wisdom. You have to be able to sift through the BS on the internet as I am sure you are well aware.
terrific Hunter as always...i didn't know about the hammer half-cock differences in the "hammer hooks" on the Old Colts.....all my Para's have the firing block series 80 including my 10mm (both have terrific triggers)...question....what's your choice or preference? a Colt series 70 or Series 80?
So, which one to you recommend? I’m getting one for Christmas, and I don’t want to buy something that is going to have issues...I already have a Remington 1911 enhanced model , but I want a Colt.. plz let me know. Thanks
Absoulouty nothing wrong with the Colt 1911 and there are no problems with the Series 80 FPS. If you are looking for something a bit more custom take a look at Dan Wesson.
Im looking at colt Gold Cup National Match (45ACP) in 2020 on their web site and it has series 70 manual next to it. Im confused why are they selling new series 70s when series 80s is update and maybe safer? Still confused. Sorry.
Well was looking to buy a 1911 either a colt or a Springfield Armory. I like the new new colt royal blued the best. best bang for bunk I like the SA stainless mil spec. So many options and they don't always tell you if its 70 or 80s parts. So don't know enough to know what to buy yet.
Colt will be pretty clear if the pistol has the firing pin safety. I don't know if I would say the Series 80 is safer but it is an extra safety. Between Springfield and Colt I would for sure buy the Colt. A much better bult pistol with better quality small parts.
@@rangehot Thanks for the info. I like that new Royal Blued Colt I think its 70s. I don't understand why they changed it if its not any safer? Why not just keep the 70?
There's theory, and there's experience. Go with experience every time. I've been shooting a Sig Fastback Nightmare for about five years. It's a Series 80 design, and I've never had a problem of any kind.
Which is more valuable?!!?? MKIV-70 or MKIV-80!?!?!?!? Edit: very good info on these handguns. Butt, haaaa I said BUTT. Trying to stay in line with my Submariner father's senses of humors!!!! Just really want to know, if there is a difference in price/value, between the two " 'different' " series!??! And would like to know if I'm, even asking, the question, correctly.....!?¿¿?
+Tom Gandy John Travis has installed several on his Series 80 pistols but they are soft steel and must be changed ever few thousand rounds. As long as you keep an eye on them they work just fine as a filler to do away with the lawyer parts. I am not sure I would do it on a carry gun just in case God forbid you had to use it and it was brought up the owner removed a factory safety. I know that sounds stupid as hell but you know how slick lawyers are.
Best video that I've found explaining the differences between 70's and 80's.
Thank you very much, Perry.
Good info, thanks! I was skeptical about the Series 80 at first after listening to all the internet BS, but now I think I'd rather have a Series 80 after listening to you!
I've had a Sig Fastback Nightmare for about five years. The trigger is phenomenally crisp, and feels like two and a half pounds, even though it's four pounds.
I just found out it's a Series 80. (Never bothered to investigate, and I still don't care.)
So I'm with you all the way. If my Sig is a Series 80, then Series 80 is just fine.
By the way, I've owned a Colt National Match. Nice gun, but the quality and trigger were no better than my Sig.
I am relatively new to the pistol community. Been shooting about 5 years and as many times as I have had someone explain the difference between series 70 & 80. You did so in about 8 1/2 min. Thank you! My first Colt is was a Colt Gold Cup Trophy Match .45 and the following year I bought a Colt Government Model.45 which is now my EDC. I love both of them! Again, thanks for the explanation. Great job!
rangehot, The best explanation thus far on YT between the series 70 vs the series 80 Colt 1911. You explained the difference in both pistols in down to earth, laymen terms. You certainly got my vote of approval. I just subscribed.
Thank you very much, I really appreciate the support.
No. It is I who thanks you. A quality gun review channel for a change. Looking forward to watching more of your "no BS" reviews.
Yes, but without you watching and commenting it would be just me talking to myself so I see it as a symbiotic relationship. I shot this before I had a decent camera, bad audio equipment, and no editing skills. I feel like my newer videos are somewhat better but I still have a lot to learn about shooting and cutting video.
Just put in a call to Mel Gibson. I'm sure he'd be only too happy to help.
I see what you did there.
That’s what I understood before , now I’m better informed with your excellent explanation thanks for posting video.
Just found this video. I agree that it is clearly the best video out there explaining the differences between the Series 70 and Series 80 Colts. This cleared up a couple things for me. I've got a 1986 stainless Gold Cup Series 80, and another Colt 1911 marked Series 80. The Gold Cup came with the collet barrel bushing which I have replaced with a standard bushing. It functions exactly like you described and demonstrated.
The hammer on the 1911 has been replaced by a previous owner. The replacement hammer has the half-cock hammer hooks you talked about, so it's operating like a Series 70.
Many thanks for the excellent clarification.
You are very welcome Mike. Stick around and check out other of my videos please.
My ATI government model does not have a firing pin safety yet has a solid barrel bushing. I really like it, it was very cheap 320$, it is well made and works perfectly, It is a plain jane GI model, but that is what I wanted...
I've had both and you are spot on, both had great triggers. The one with collet bushing never broke in over 10,000 rounds but was changed in a rebuild after that along with most internals! Only malfunction ever was from the detention tube coming off a nickeled Colt with rubber grips that didn't cover it, and two cheap mag springs going flat after being left loaded for over a year! That's 3 fails in 15 years and who knows how many round of reloads, hot hollow points, Keith type lead type and you name it! I know I'm fortunate but my 2 Colts and 2 Springfield's both ran everything I put in them, I've only had to tuned the extractors on them and do light polish of feed ramps and one firing pin hole that had a issue!
Thanks for the info. Going to the Gun Show today to pickup a Colt 1911. Your info help me out. Thanks again. 🇺🇸🇨🇱
Andy betz awesome. You are very welcome.
Pulled out the firing pin safety crap, put in the shim. Got improved trigger pull and less unneeded crap in my weapon. Works great, easy to do.
Good info brother I stumbled on this vid cause I was having a mini meltdown, That delta elite I had posted on your fb page I bought a while back I was going over it tonight giving it a lil inspection because I think I'll have to replace the springs. Well in the process of looking at it, dry firing it etc etc I realized that it barely has a "half cock" position and as you described the hammer will fall from the half cock if the trigger is pulled. I was flipping out lol and I'm by no means a nooB with guns but you can learn something new every day!
Thank you for this fantastic clarification. So what would you call a pre-70 series pistol, like a mil-spec 1911 or 1911A1? Does it have a series #? Or do we just refer to it as a pre-series 70?
1911 if it was made before 1924 and 1911A1 after that. Pre Series 80 designates a Commander without a firing pin safety. There is no such thing as a Series 70 Commander, FYI.
Good lesson. Thank you!
Thanks for the info good video on the difference between 70 & 80 series it’s clear as mud
Glad to help
Great job!
just what i was looking to learn. thanks for the info.
I know this is an older video, but if you happen to read this comment that'd be awesome. What are your thoughts on the Colt CCU government 45? I'm talking about the matte finish solid triggers, not the three hole design. Thanks for the helpful information you put out, it's very much appreciated sir. 👍🏻🇺🇲
The CCU is a fine pistol. I have had the opportunity to run one a few times at Colt media days. If you were in the market for one I would not hesitate to buy it.
@@rangehot Thanks for replying to my question, I very much appreciate it! I just hear a lot of garbage but I take information from people like yourself, Ken Hackathorn, Masaad Ayoob and some guys who have some experience with certain platforms. Have a nice day sir, again thanks for replying. 🇺🇲
@Constitutionalist1791 you are very welcome. I don't deserve to be on the list with Ken and Massad but I am also a student of their wisdom. You have to be able to sift through the BS on the internet as I am sure you are well aware.
terrific Hunter as always...i didn't know about the hammer half-cock differences in the "hammer hooks" on the Old Colts.....all my Para's have the firing block series 80 including my 10mm (both have terrific triggers)...question....what's your choice or preference? a Colt series 70 or Series 80?
Thank you very much brother. I am going to try and be less controversial, at least most of the time.
Send your series 80 into colt factory for trigger smoothing. There are not very many competent gunsmiths that know how to work on 1911's in my area.
You are the man!
So, which one to you recommend? I’m getting one for Christmas, and I don’t want to buy something that is going to have issues...I already have a Remington 1911 enhanced model , but I want a Colt.. plz let me know. Thanks
Absoulouty nothing wrong with the Colt 1911 and there are no problems with the Series 80 FPS. If you are looking for something a bit more custom take a look at Dan Wesson.
Good info. Thanks.
Thank you very much.
Im looking at colt Gold Cup National Match (45ACP) in 2020 on their web site and it has series 70 manual next to it. Im confused why are they selling new series 70s when series 80s is update and maybe safer? Still confused. Sorry.
Bob, many folks do not like the Series 80 parts and some believe leaving out the firing pin safety makes for a better trigger pull.
Well was looking to buy a 1911 either a colt or a Springfield Armory. I like the new new colt royal blued the best. best bang for bunk I like the SA stainless mil spec. So many options and they don't always tell you if its 70 or 80s parts. So don't know enough to know what to buy yet.
Colt will be pretty clear if the pistol has the firing pin safety. I don't know if I would say the Series 80 is safer but it is an extra safety. Between Springfield and Colt I would for sure buy the Colt. A much better bult pistol with better quality small parts.
@@rangehot Thanks for the info. I like that new Royal Blued Colt I think its 70s. I don't understand why they changed it if its not any safer? Why not just keep the 70?
@@Physics072 lawyers my brother.
series 80 more moving parts, can that be bad?
Not necessarily, if they are correctly fit.
rangehot.com what about dirt and might require more cleaning. I feel like buying one to compare
There's theory, and there's experience. Go with experience every time.
I've been shooting a Sig Fastback Nightmare for about five years. It's a Series 80 design, and I've never had a problem of any kind.
Which is more valuable?!!?? MKIV-70 or MKIV-80!?!?!?!? Edit: very good info on these handguns. Butt, haaaa I said BUTT. Trying to stay in line with my Submariner father's senses of humors!!!! Just really want to know, if there is a difference in price/value, between the two " 'different' " series!??!
And would like to know if I'm, even asking, the question, correctly.....!?¿¿?
There probably is not much difference in value but MK IV Series 70 would be a bit more valuable in my opinion.
Series 80 has 4 parts. More things to break and cause wear on them parts also.
Good info bud.
Thank you Robert.
What is your opinion on using a frame slot filler on a series 80.
+Tom Gandy John Travis has installed several on his Series 80 pistols but they are soft steel and must be changed ever few thousand rounds. As long as you keep an eye on them they work just fine as a filler to do away with the lawyer parts. I am not sure I would do it on a carry gun just in case God forbid you had to use it and it was brought up the owner removed a factory safety. I know that sounds stupid as hell but you know how slick lawyers are.
+rangehot.com Thanks, I appreciate the advise.
I got a 38. Super government model series 80
Your audio shattered the screen on my phone.
Yea Mark that is a way early video with a poor camera and an even worse microphone.
@@rangehot clearly!
The problem has been rectified. Video and audio gear is expensive.