The #1 Reason You Will Not Buy EGO's Commercial Battery Series
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- The reveal of a commercial line of battery equipment from EGO Power Plus at the 2018 GIE Expo caused a bit of a stir, but this is the biggest reason why I can tell you that you WON'T be purchasing this equipment.
After a public reveal in Q4 2018 EGO announced new for the US market, a commercial battery powered lawn care platform with a 28AH backpack battery at its core. Powering an electric hedge trimmer, electric handheld blower, and electric string trimmer, this platform promised all day performance (7 hours hedge trimming, 6 hours string trimming, 1 hour 10 minutes blower full speed).
Initial concerns include the crazy price ($1300 for the battery pack and harness, $200 for the charger, which is sold SEPARATELY from the battery pack, and $400 for each tool) tipping out at $3,000 for one battery pack, a charger, and three tools, as well as the longevity and practicality of battery power for all day commercial use.
Expect a full lineup of videos on these products, including first looks and 30 day reviews of each of the individual units, a look at the pros and cons of the system, things you need to know and thing about before purchasing yourself, how the commercial battery pack works with current residential grade equipment, and much more.
Another goal is to provide a central resource for anyone searching for information on this platform, as currently there are only a handful of 4 or 5 GIE 2018 videos showcasing this equipment (which are fairly identical as far as the information given) and two videos showcasing demo blowers and backpack batteries (neither of which proves this is a replacement for a commercial backpack blower).
EGO Power Plus is a company with a long history of excellence in the battery powered OPE world, and while I have no doubt their products will perform well and customer service will be outstanding, I can't help but worry about the overall practicality of battery application in the commercial world as a replacement for gasoline equipment.
Don't get me wrong, I know it will happen in my lifetime...I just don't think we are there yet. Will EGO prove me wrong? Will battery beat gas? Stay tuned over the next month as we churn out the videos and test these pieces to the max!
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I’m 98 years old and I don’t have access to the gasoline station because I can’t drive but I do have access to a wall outlet and electricity. I love this product.
You won't like the battery backpack, I can tell you that much now!
98 year old ... go back to your video games
I got their weedeater,I love it, the best thing is I don’t have to jerk my guts and back out getting it started. Even got another battery. Worth it when you’re 67 yrs. old!
Awesome! Very glad you like it!
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Lets just say the cost of electric and gas is equal, I want the EGO. Why?, No stink from burning fuel and pouring mixing and storing fuel. Fire hazards , maintenance time and money on gasoline engines.Pain in the a$$ trouble starting . Just overall ease of use. Since EGO I got rid of all my gas powered equipment. I am not a contractor , just a home gamer. Snow blower , lawn mower , leaf blower , chain saw , all work just as good or better then my old gas stuff. Its 4-5 years old had 1 problem 1 battery called with warranty stuff they sent me a new battery in 2 days. No charge. Gas power is on its was out. I don't miss it.
I agree 100% with you, if gas and battery equipment are the same price, I'm taking battery.
@@CopperCreekCuts If there the same price you say? Oh , for you your saying. I can respect that. Well I am saying for me, even if the overall cost of battery equipment was more (its not)then the price of buying and maintaining the gas powered stuff, I would still want the battery operated. For many reasons, as I mentioned. The main reasons reliability , safety , overall hassle. My time here is very valuable to me , I don't want to spend my time buying , storing , mixing gas with oil , and routine maintenance and repair on gasoline engines. Thats not my thing . Getting my chores done fast efficient without hassle is important to me , That way I can get to some serious goofing off sooner, I don't care if gas is cheaper but takes more time and hassle . Life is short , gas operated equipment stinks! I will never go back. I think I see now why people who go to an EV never go back to gas cars. It will be a long before I can afford to go EV , but for me its a better way to go.
Im Based in San Jose, Ca and yes, fuel cost is around 4 bucks a gallon. We switched to electric (besides our lawn mower) due to city sound pollution regulations. Lame, I know. Our oldest piece of battery equipment would be our AR900 backpack battery from stihl. It's 4 years old now and I can tell you it still holds at least 80% of its charge. It's a huge chunk of change upfront, but worth it in my opinion. Although I know 90% of the lawncare community would disagree. I just uploaded a video using the HLA 85, love it over the gas counterpart.
Excellent feedback, I appreciate it a ton!
You make a reasonable point, but I paid extra for the EGO mower and weed wacker (over gas replacements) because they are quiet, and they allow me to do yardwork early on a summer morning, before it gets hot. Also, I hate trying to start a gas weed wacker, they are too temperamental.
Yeah, all great reasons! this video is directed to commercial users and EGO's commercial line, not their residential series.
Number one reason for going Eletric should be your lungs and body . Exaust is bad for you .
I hear you, but unfortunately that isn't usually the motivating factor for a business change.
and ears. less vibrations too, so you can add articulations.
its better, and fuel price will rise.
And so are exploding Lithium Ion Backpacks...lol...though I am prepared to take my chances.
Haven't you heard of Aspen? That's a pre made synthetical two stroke mix. It costs €20 for 5 liter. Every professional gardener uses it here in Belgium for hedge trimmers and string trimmers
Only heard of it from a UK gardener. Not at all common here in the states (at least for use by pros).
Thank God I don't live in Europe. That's insane.
Ya I started using Aspen a year ago and it also costs €20 here in Ireland
Any Alkalyte fuel is great. We sell ASPEN at our dealership and customers find it works a lot better than regular unleaded from a garage. I know Stihl and Husqvarna do a equivalent to ASPEN as well.
I’m have a small yard maintenance business, mainly residential, and recently purchased a hedger and 650 cfm blower from EGO. I personally am very happy with the equipment and will be purchasing a 16” EGO chainsaw with 5ah battery set soon. In my humble opinion, I probably wouldn’t stray away from my Honda commercial mower or my Shindiawa weed whacked but for my other auxiliary power tools I’m very happy with EGO. I do have a PV system at my home so my zero fuel cost is a bonus.
Honestly, once the hype wears off, it comes down to how long the batteries last during operation, and how long they last in life-cycle.
This is where gas generally wins, I can be in the middle of no where and refuel..... How many spare batteries can you afford with this system?
If this is a purchase just for carbon credits, so be it.....
Well said, thanks for watching!
Yup
@NonyaBusiness! I’m actually glad to hear that. I was worried about something closer to a two year lifecycle, and that would start to get expensive quick.
I can charge my spare in my truck while using the other battery. No problem.
Great break down, thank you.
I was always a gas guy for my lawn care. Now that I live on a city lot with minimum landscaping (mostly brick with some beds). I like the ego for just the ease of not storing gas and maintenance. For the nonpro homeowner I would recommend ego, but I think I’m the target market for electric landscaping tools.
EGO is a solid brand for sure, but this commercial series is giving me a little grief.
As to the "numbers" issue...if you factor in the time & cost involved in purchasing, storing, mixing & refuelling as well as continual maintenance costs for both parts and labour, then you'll see that they could've priced the fuel at $12 a gallon and it still would of reflected a true statistical comparison regardless.
While I don't think that is accurate, I understand what you are getting at. The bottom line is, if these numbers are to be trusted, the math needs to be shared.
I do own some e-go products, I don't use them commercially, although my 56 volt lithium ion battery is incredible. I used the hedger on my place the neighbors place, cut down saw grass around two retention ponds all season, I charged the battery twice. So I will safely say, not only will I continue using e-go, I will buy more products and spread the facts based on experience with them. E-go CEO if you need a traveling demo guy, I would be delighted to ride around and demonstrate the duribility, and quality of this product. This product is not just the evolution of lawn care, but the evolution of life, and an end of the need for fossil fuels. Hats off n thumbs up.
Very glad you experience with their residential tools was better than my experience with their commercial lineup.
I have to admit the residential tools are a lil weak. You were just wondering where they got their numbers from. Think about this, guy using fuel, pull up, get out, they have a well executed plan that saves time. Time is money. They grab the tools they will use sometimes fill up, then start pulling a rope. Old equipment will take a few pulls. Thats time wasted. When the e-go or any other company using electric tools roll up they get out grab equipment and begin working. Never the less changing a battery is ridiculously faster that a fill up. A well invested team would do well.
One other thing, we are old school, and no matter how its approached we always compare fuel to electric. Sometimes it might seem fuel is better other times electric. The facts are this, this is the evolution not only of lawn care but human life. I have learned that it makes things so much easier if I embrace the change and do what I have to do learn and get better. This is our life's experience. I my world I don't have problems. I have solutions. So lets make it happen. Good luck with the transition my friend. You do seem like a pro so it will be easy for you. And if you don't want your e-go products I would be honored to give them one hell of a run to see how many seasons can be got out of them. Take care boss. Also I mean no disrespect earlier. There are so many variables. Let me how it works out for ya, I'm interested to know. Thank you sir.
To me, cost isn't the issue, so I never even looked to see what their numbers are. Bottom line: it's more convenient. The fact that it's quiet is nice as well. But it's nice to not use a chain saw in two years, then need one and you just pop the battery in and go. Sure, if you maintain your gas equipment, you should be fine. But we've all been there. 14F outside, 15 inches of snow just dropped and the gas snow blower won't start. Instead of getting to work, you're trying to diagnose starting issues. Battery isn't perfect, but when practical, I prefer it over gas.
Good feedback, thanks!
I have the EGO push mower and I must say I have been super impressed with it. Keep in mind that I only had it since janurary 2019. I got a SUPER deal for a self propelled for $210 on clearance @ home depot. I live in north ga so when I first bought it I used it to scalp down my 4 inch tall dormant bermuda. I didnt go all the way down, I would lower the deck one setting at a time per week. Even though the grass was dormant I was seeing a better/cleaner cut than my old honda twin blade mower, not to mention that it bagged all the clippings nicely too. Fast forward to today and using it on the lowest deck setting still getting a clean nice cut when its green. Only gripe I have is I wish it would cut a little lower(Lowest setting is only 1 1/2 inches). I also bought the new mulch high lift blade and it really does a better job of sucking and standing up the grass blades better. Feels more powerful too. Another cool thing is on my honda self propellled mower the self propeled would always spin the back tires casuing the tires to wear out fast, On this you never have that problem. You can actually go with the pace alot better than the gas powered honda.
Excellent feedback, I appreciate it! Thank you for taking the time to watch and share your findings!
There's other benefits that I realize wont matter for everyone. You can store these tools in a van with out huffing gas everyday, they are far quieter, and 0 maintenance. I do see your points made here and 20 bucks a gallon is hilarious.
You make some very good points, thank you for watching and commenting!
I have EGO yard tools that are 8 years old, I use the residential EGO tools for maintaining my 3/4 acre property and my four rental houses as well, not quite what a lawn service business would do, but far more than a typical residential user. In that time only one battery no longer takes a charge at all and one only holds about half a charge. I bought the blower 8 years ago, the string trimmer 7 years back, the chainsaw 3 years ago, and this year I purchased the new dual battery lawn mower to replace my Honda CRX217 that was going to be $500 repair to replace a bent crankshaft. As for your concerns in the video marketing is more about the hype than facts, but there are a few possible solutions to the math: First EGO is a European country a simple error of using the math with Europeans pricing and lazily just converting to US$ would get numbers like that (not an acceptable answer but possible). Second as you mentioned no separate mention of maintenance costs were provided assuming they are included in the maths, what you didn't account for was the cost of labor for the maintenance (you are either paying someone as an employee or a business to do those repairs or you are doing it yourself and not including the value of your time spent doing those repairs). And last they were getting numbers from some government report which is based upon the costs that the government pays to do landscaping on its various buildings and the National Park Service, and as we all know government contracts have padded costs to increase profits for the businesses and thus increase donations for the politicians that approve those contracts. There are also intangibles that EGO provides over gas powered tools that are hard to quantify as Dollars, such as: less noise pollution which equates to happier employees and clients and potentially allowing for earlier start times for your business. no local air pollution which equates to healthier employees and clients. No chance of hazardous waste spills on the go or at your workplace. And depending on where your local electrical supply is generated less CO2 emissions overall which means that you can offer GREEN service which in many areas there are people that are willing to pay a premium for.
Great feedback!
Conversion error is possible, but like you said, not very satisfying answer.
Around 4:30 I mention there might be a few hundred of labor costs for maintenance mixed in. As for air/fuel filter/spark plug, most pros are doing that themselves and not taking it to the shop. Probably a 1/10 on difficulty for all three.
I don't actually know WHERE they were getting their numbers from, that is the issue. If you have the report, please link it so I can study it. They don't cite anything anywhere. At least when I was doing my research.
Good points on the fringe benefits, unfortunately most pros are not really going to care about that so much as the bottom line.
Again, thanks for the great comment!
I just bought pretty much everything they had including the commercial weedeater. I’ve been in business for over 25 years and let me tell you this .... after using these machines now for 3 1/2 weeks with no two stroke and all the issues related with hot start ups with fumes and noise. I’ll never go back to gas. These machines are light and wayyyy much quieter and it so easy to just go up to the trailer and unplug one and grab any other machine and go right on about my business. I laugh every time I do it .... it’s a joy to have 100% reliability from the get go .....if I forget a mailbox and grab the weedeater I don’t Have to sit there choking it to get it back down to operating temperature before it will run right any more ..... When I grab these electric tools ........they are just like new every single time I grab a machine. I can go on and on about the positives I have found with this experience. So far it’s like this .... all my work is done and I can’t wait to go back and find more. These machines make it fun. Oh and by the way they have already paid for their selves and then some with in 3 1/2 weeks. So while I look at all the nice gas tools collecting dust on the shelf I’m like damn..... wish I would have had all this electric stuff 10 years ago. Mind you I just bought a brand new fs 240 sthil for $599 this year and it’s on the bench too. And it weighs 14lbs mind you. The commercial ego is very very light. I love weedeating when the wind is blowing clean air by instead of fumes! It edges like a dream. It is also a delight being able to not try to hold my breath while working.
I still after a month find my self by habit taking a breath before going around the corner and holding it so I don’t smell the fumes.
I find it delightful to take a breath now while working so hard. I can finally breath lol
You know what else I haven’t had is? That head ache related to over exposure to gas fumes all day!!!!!!!!!!!!! That alone and I’m sold. And my clothes done stink like fumes any more 😎👍👍.
Well, I am using this batteries for 3 years now, [not commercially] and they are performing perfect. I think it is important to not fully drain the batteries and cool them down before you load them. I always load them slowly, no fast loader. I understand that this may be impossible for a proffesional commerial gardener, but for a private garden this equipment is performing very good. Sold my Honda lawnmower and bought the 42 EGO mower. It's performs also very, very well. Side bonus is that I can load the batteries with solar power.
I did buy the back pack battery,,,that’s it,,I use it with my 650 and 580 blower,,,and string trimmer,,,love this battery,,,long run times
I also buy ethanol free gas, and use it in all my equipment. Last year I did buy the premix which ran me about 48 dollars a gallon. This year I am just mixing it. I do put the premix in my two stroke equipment for winter storage.
Oh man, you must be saving a boatload on fuel now! Thank you for the numbers, they help calculations a lot!
They are probably factoring labor into the per gallon price since an employee is on the clock when they are filling up gas cans at the gas station.
XD Maybe!
Reason #1 Price.
Disclaimer. I love their equipment. I haven't tried their commercial line.
After my videos you won't have to! ;)
i bougth ego because I hate the noise and smoke of the traditional tools.
They can be annoying for sure! Glad you like it!
19.45 a gallon is including the price of a new gas can everytime you mix up a gallon. lol
XD Ahhhh, that is where it comes from! :)
I fly my fuel in from Germany........ ;-)
my electric operating cost is $20.00 a week including gas for my car. my last commercial job using gas equipment our operating cost was about $200.00 Canadian... week. ;) th-cam.com/video/hNddX6P9SZQ/w-d-xo.html
I harvest my fuel myself
They are clearly using premixed fuel for the comparison. E.g. www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/product/vp-small-engine-fuels-pre-mixed-50:1-2-cycle-fuel-1-gal
The Ego numbers also fall apart once you factor in replacement batteries at year 3 or 4. Not sure about the commerical, but the larger battery for their push mower is over half the cost of the new mower & battery itself! At that point, I'd be trashing it for something else. If Ego offered a battery swap/trade refurbishment program, then I'd consider them. The batteries are simply too expensive to replace otherwise and destroy their long term cost metrics!
Great feedback, thank you for sharing! I think my father, who recently purchased a push mower with 7.5 AH battery, said something similar. He was looking at getting a second 7.5 AH and it was something like 2/3rds the price of the mower, charger, and battery combined.
lithium battery have a long life. I still have milwaukee batteries from 12 years ago.
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I appreciate your point of the inflated fuel cost and your absolutely correct, but in my humble opinion, the ease of use outweighs the marketing inconsistency.
This video could turn away the average home owner that’s on the fence about going with EGO.
Just give one of your crews a 650 cfm blower with 5ah batteries and ask for feedback in a month.
This video isn't for the average homeowner considering EGO. As mentioned in the title and video, this focuses solely on their commercial lineup, which is targeted to professionals.
Lol 9 bucks a gallon on what continent!? My 91 octane ethanol free premium costs me 3.69 a gallon roughly. My cell phone battery needs to be replaced every couple of years, so ego also didnt factor in the cost of degraded lithium ion cells. Heat and charge cycling kills batteries. At $225 current replacement price for the 5ah battery, you would have to use a HUGE amount of gas to break even, and even then after a few years and say 500 charge cycles that battery will die. Especially for the homeowners who only use very little gas it will take like 22 years to break even lol. Not saying the ego is bad, they are well built, powerful, and you are really paying a premium for the convenience of battery IMO. Good run down though!
In some of the videos from GIE trade show they are saying 1,000 to 1,200 charge cycles, so hopefully it is closer to that and not the 500, but who knows? Thank you for the feedback, very helpful to have!
I just purchased an ego self propelled 21in used. The battery has a manufacture date of may 2017. I dont know any of the cycle history on the battery but 3 years later here in 2020 and the battery charges quickly and provides power the same as other reviews i have seen here on youtube. Gotta say im impressed.
I don't have ego commercial,but I do have the trimmer,chainsaw,and mower. I use it on all my accounts. Love how quiet they are. Don't have to fill them up with gas. I believe their using pre mix pricing. I have solar panels and so it cost me nothing to charge. Never ever have to worry about starting just push a button!
Wow. I thought you were going to give a legitimate reason why it’s not good or reliable. What a waste of time watching this lol.
You can watch the rest of the videos for that. As a commercial user this is very important to get out of the way first since.
@@CopperCreekCuts no I won’t watch the rest of the videos and I will specifically NEVER watch another video of yours agains.
And WILL not buy it?? Are you insane? How about “should” not buy it….???
You lost me when you started doing the numbers and I didnt see any straight lines or hedges being trimmed. Sorry
Haha, no offense taken, I understand! :)
Ha! ha! ha! All part of the business though. If you can't make the numbers work on equipment, it doesn't matter how nice your work is. ;-)
Yeah for me it seems like a bit of a click bait title.
I hope nobody is considering going electric for fuel savings. As adaption goes up, cost will come down. The opposite is true for fossil fuels.
Benefits of electric over petrol for me (simple home owner 100 square meters of back yard lawn), in order of importance:
1, Easy to start (no pull cord to break or use energy keep on pulling, or not knowing how or how much to pull).
2, No maintenance needed what so ever, (no annual service of change of oil, gas, spark plug, cleaning)
3, Save time and money in the above, as well as the hassle.
3, Electric machines are lighter, and easier to carry about / but give same performance.
4, Less noise,
5, Cost of buying petrol / oil,
6, Spilling the petrol / oil
7. Storing the petrol / oil, (dangerous /flammable fluids).
8, Less fumes on me / near children, change the clothes etc..
9. Less fumes, in the environment.
10, easier to re-sell, as explaining the above to the new customer will explain things to them, hopefully for a sale.
Thanks for the feedback!
My 4 amp mower battery gave out at 5 years about 250 charges I was bit surprised. However brought 5 amp replacement no maintenance needed and do not miss to impossible to start Petrol Weed whacker
The fuel cost my friend with all do respect is only half the real cost. The product "true fuel" and other synthetic blend fuels in florida run $22.00 per gallon. In addition cutting grass residential or commercial is in fact seasonal. Meaning companies that do not use true fuel or a synthetic blend fuel also have shop time on the equipment that isn't used. The life time on commercial products is one, possibly two years. Once there are companies that only use e-go platform for more than a year, only then will you be able to compare product life time and repurchase. According to my arithmetic they have added the fuel costs both ways, fossil fuel vrs synthetic, they got a broad spectrum number and cut that number in half. These people aren't just going to make a product and have the best engineered battery across the board and have the their statistics incorrect.
Unfortunately until they can confirm one way or the other I have to base the numbers on the information provided, which is what I did. Happy to be proven wrong or have EGO set me straight.
The only way I can see getting to ~$9 per gallon is if they're including the labor cost for an employee to drive to the gas station, fill up a gas can, mix 2-stroke adder, refill tools, etc... There probably is a modest time savings in refueling and maintenance when using batter powered tools over gasoline. It would be nice to hear their response if they ever respond.
Yeah $9.39/gallon is ridiculous. I run 93 in all my equipment, but STP 2-stroke mix isn’t that expensive so my cost per gallon is still barely half that.
I would recommend ignoring the misleading marketing and just try using the equipment to see if you like it. You will probably find that it performs similar to gas and you will love not carrying fuel everywhere and mixing gas. One thing no one mentions is no more fumes for you or your crew. Electric is coming you might as well embrace it, you might actually prefer it.
Take in to account the trip to the gas station and the store to buy gas and the mix.
All things concidered. If you didn't compare it with anything. Would it still be worth buying at 39 cents per hour. In the long term .YES. if you can charge your batteries between jobs & have enough energy all day. The time saving might mean an extra job for the days work.
Unfortunately charging batteries on the go require thousands more in investment that not everyone would/could make.
39 cents a gallon and when you have to buy another battery because yours no longer holds a charge you lost money compared to the guy using a 25cc 2 stroke or 4 stroke.
I purchased the latest self propelled ego mower and haven’t looked back since. I totally see what you’re saying here but honestly, I’ll never use a gas mower again at my house lol. Just like I won’t use a corded vacuum cleaner without a hepa filter. There is convenience and a premium user experience I feel using the products. i don’t think I even heard the comparison to yearly running cost I was tired of maintenance. I’m also purely a residential user. Good information none the less.
I can't disagree with you at all! And you point it out but commercial/residential are different animals. I can't say anything bad about their residential lineup. In fact, many of the commercial electric companies I know USE the residential EGO stuff, and have nothing but good to say about it. Which makes their commercial line up even more disappointing.
No one mentions the run time you get from a gallon of gas vs a charge from the (lets be generous) 7.5 ah battery. I run my business with 90% electric equipment but come leaf cleanup season and it's gas or nothing if in trying to finish my routes every week.
Good point, thanks for the comment!
This guy is a human leafblower- long winded and just blowing stuff around. Going on to next video. Thanks for nothin.
I'm not sure how efficient the charging is for the backpack, but it only holds 15 cents of stored energy when full. So they may be using california electricity numbers for charging the product as where I'm at in TN 1 kwh is only 9.8 cents. The backpack can store ~1.5 kwh of energy. Usually these types of electronics are fairly efficient in charging so instead of their 39 cent number for me it'd probably be more like 25 cents or less per charge. I think my biggest gripe is the thing is only good for "up to 1000" charge cycles. So at 1300 dollars per unit, factored over 4 years time (assuming it can actually do 1000 which it won't be able to achieve that perfectly) is 27 dollars per month assuming you replace it when it goes bad. On top of that you're spending let's say 30 cents per day to charge. So that comes out to 33 dollars per month of operating cost. That's making several assumptions: 1: The tools you use with it never break (probably not going to happen) 2: It can actually achieve 1000 charge cycles (again probably not going to happen) 3: The battery pack doesn't break in any other way other than due to normal wear and tear (after the first 2 years).
My assessment is that battery power is better for the home user right now, I use Ego stuff for my house and I love it. However for commercial use the only way I can see it saving you money is that it's probably not going to break down as often as gas equipment can. Even in a 2 stroke there's more moving parts than electric so never having an issue and never taking you away from mowing could be a huge benefit. Downtime is money in any industry so it May be worth it.
Really happy to you see you using the equipment and can't wait for you to review it in the real world!
Hey, this was an awesome breakdown. Thank you so much for taking the time to watch and comment!
$20+/gallon is common forr those retail premixed fuels. Most people can't easily get pure gas at pump unless they happen to live near a marina. Even fewer will bother with Avgas. I just mix some regular 89, oil and stabilizer when I know it's going to go quick. Run some truefuel at the very end of the season before the equipment sits for a bit.
Such a crazy high price to base numbers for commercial guys off of. Thanks for the feedback, that helps!
This is gonna be a weird question. Who makes those pants you wear and that belt? They look professional and seem to hold up to you working in the yard with them.
The belt is Grip6 and the pants are UB Tech Travel Pants (found mine from Costco). Thank you for watching! :)
I'm going with electric.
It's vastly more convenient, no smells, much quieter. Most pieces of EGO equipment are lighter (sometimes much lighter) than the gas counterparts. They also store much, much easier than their gas counterparts as there's nothing to leak out. I stand my walk behind mower on end next to snowblower which also folds to compact size.....
Batteries are interchangeable to different tools which makes the cost per tool dramatically cheaper than dedicated gas machines. Also - no tune-ups, rebuilding carburetors, spark plugs, belts, etc.
Yes, I'm speaking in a residential format. Commercially these may not be your bag. But the low maintenance and ease of use suits me fine.
That's great! I think I said my viewpoint was on the commercial line, I have no issues with their residential line.
Good luck buying batteries every few years.......
im looking to convert my whippies to ego, i already use Ryobi pole saw and extended hedge trimmer and a chainsaw18volt and love them . reasons for the change are not really based on fuel savings but its more a easy convience tool , saftey and light weight being the biggest factor and maintenance.
Alot of guys say battery lacks power if u are maintaining properties weekly or by weekly how much power do u really need .
300 dollar hedge job for maybe a hour work on a light weight battery machine is money in the bank less fatigue aswell .
Nice vid mate. side note lol there commercial range im not a fan of the tools they paired up with it they should have made the combi system instead of the plain hedge trimmer. so i would lean more to there other equipment instead of the commercial line up.
It boggles my mind they didn't release their multi tool system with this. Such a missed opportunity!
I call BS on you owning a lawn service. I have mowed lawns for YEARS and their numbers for gas are pretty damn close to Wichita prices and things here are hella cheap compared to Florida!
Feel free to post actual numbers, but until you do I can't really say anything more than this video already broke down with numbers.
Here in the UK, where I am, about £5.85 per gallon ish for petrol/gas, which is about $7.45 and the aspen 2 stroke fuel I use is £17 for a 5 litres can, so even at them prices, ego maths is still a long way out.
Great video brad, looking forward to seeing the tools in action 👍
Thanks for the real world numbers, that helps a lot!
As a non commercial user the single "weed wacker" electric works good for my needs. I NEVER have to drive a vehicle to go get gasoline and I can have trimmer line shipped to my house.
Sounds like it works great for you! Thanks for sharing!
I’m a hairdresser and I bought a cordless clipper and only lasted no more then one ☝️ year not to mention finding the plug 🔌 to charged it forget I bought a regular clipper and is more powerful and still last for five years so far
Haha, I did the same thing. If you can't tell, I am bald and use no guard every week. The battery one was losing power! Went and bought a corded one. Problem solved.
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Let’s also look on the cost of the Lithium Ion Batteries.
Cost per kilowatt is $140 average. 54v, 2.5 amps, = .135 kilowatt * 140 is
$18.90. Amazon has 2.5 for $169.
54v, 5 amps is .27 * 140 is 37.80. Battery costs $249. Think
I got this right, total rip off.
Compare the Ego Power Station. Currents ECOFlow Delta 3600
watts can be had for a little over $1000. EGO unit is $600, 4 batteries at $249
and the converter unit $150. Comes out to a whopping $1746. Not even rocket
science. EGO is way overpriced.
I paid $450 for the mower and it cuts for 90 minutes, doesn't make me hotter, doesn't damage my hearing, doesn't suffocate me with exhaust fumes, won't give me cancer, and doesn't make my yard stink with exhaust.
That's great! Unfortunately the products I am dealing with are their commercial series, which is a completely different ball game than their residential.
Using a corded mower your energy cost will be even lower, the mower will be a lot cheaper.... and once you get used to dealing with the extension cord, it will bother you no more.
The batteries are the main expense. Once the whole battery thing really takes hold, that price will come down. My original Ego mower is five years old now with original battery. Of course it doesn't hold the same run time as new, it does still charge and powers the mower just fine. It's paid for itself easily. The blade I sharpen is once per season and it cuts fine too. Don't let this guy fool you. Ego equipment, residential or commercial, is the best you can buy.
You are reviewing and recommending your experience with their residential line as a reason to ignore my bad experience with their commercial line. I am not saying you can't do that, just that it doesn't make much sense.
I use ego for commercial use, not even their commercial line stuff and its pretty awesome. I'd love to get my hands on the equipment you have here :(
You must not handle high end yards then.
@@mission51able yeah I've done multi million dollar properties.
It would make sense for them to include the labor associated with pumping the gas and filling the machine. That would be 2.50gas + 2oil+5.5 min labor per gallon. Makes sense.
No, that would still drive up the cost way too much. No telling until they share the numbers publicly.
@@CopperCreekCuts you think? It takes me around 2 minutes to fill and mix 1gallon of gas and it would easily take me 2.5 min to walk back to the truck each so 2-3times to refill depending on equipment. That's around 10$ or more a gallon.
I'm not a professional, just a homeowner, but no smell and less noise is well worth the premium price for me.
Dude I spend £19 for 5l ethanol free pre-made two stroke mix it's called Aspen
That is a pretty good deal! Thank you for the numbers, it helps with calculations!
i think i am getting a brain stroke the longer i listen to this guy
power tool batteries are a vendor lock-in ripoff hellhole, glad I don't have to deal with that
(specifically, the batteries that aren't tied directly to tool lines are wayyyyyyyyyyyy cheaper, and can be charged without some BS proprietary charging station)
Never knew you could use anything other than a tool line's specific battery. Thanks for watching!
@@CopperCreekCuts I mean using plug-in tools with a giant battery/inverter unit(see my recent videos)
The benefits of electric to me are that they're better for the environment, better for your own health, no smelly fumes, easier/less hassle to use, almost no maintenance, no gas to spill, quieter, and when it comes to their consumer line you start saving money a lot sooner and don't have to go anywhere to get gas.
Also makes more sense for homeowners in cold areas where the equipment gets stored overwinter. That can mess up gas equipment if you don't do it right.
Yeah just a lot less hassle. Time is money . Lol
It’s actually more harmful to the environment.
@@Ram-wo1ur Nope.
@@Ram-wo1ur Don't tell that to the green sheep. They think the batteries recycle themselves, the lithium mining is a clean process that isn't environmentally harmful and uses lots of diesel powered equipment, and that the electricity used to charge the batteries don't come mainly from coal or natural gas power generation plants..........
Here in Canada, gas is 1.30$/ litres
If I buy premix 2-stroke gas it's 25$/gal
Our electricity is the cheapest in North America though
I did buy the 28 amp battery and I use it a lot,,love my battery,,,,,just the backpack battery I got,,,,is amazing,,,,,use it with the regular ego yard tools,,the 580 and 650 and 530 blowers and the multi head string trimmer,,,,I have the dummie battery from the ego links system
One big reason not to buy the commercial line of equipment from EGO at the present moment is because it is actually less powerful than the residential versions. At least it is based off my some what crude examination of the stated specs. This may be deliberate to boost run times with the backpack battery so they can get a full 12-16 hour work day one 1 charge, but still worth examining.
I didn't even think to compare that angle, I appreciate this feedback!
It's likely to make the tools themselves last longer, especially when the target audience is more likely to know that specs on paper don't always translate to meaningful differences in practice. The candle that burns twice as bright burns half as long, and what not.
Marathon Watching 11/16/21 Great honest review from your own experience with the product !
You say your a Pro....that means your waking somebody up at all Hours...Invest in these quiet tools and let me efin sleep!!!....lol
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Don't worry Brad, you were just 2 years early in your calculations. In May 2022, these costs check out. 😅
The gas per gallon prices their using is the one at the boat gas stations. They are normally times 2 the price so all your math is wrong and there’s are wrong too. Based on the gasoline at the boat ramp the gallon should be $87 dollars.
LOL!
Obviously premixed fuel in a can sold right by the blowers.. is what echo and husqvarna recommend in their blowers and they last much longer and run better.
Looking forward to this (as I do all your videos) since I bought the 580cfm blower and the BA2800 5 Ah battery last fall.
I had also been looking at the Stihl gas machine but decided after research to go with electric. I'm so done with carrying around gas powered tools so I took a chance on it and am glad I did. But I'm just a homeowner with modest needs. I freely admit I bought it mostly for the convenience after I'd decided lithium cells had matured enough.
All that said, make sure you're adding in the cost of the batteries, it's ...uh.. shocking. I purchased the blower, battery and charger as a package from the HD for US$299 but the battery and charger alone will set you back US$219 (currently) and you'll definitely be looking at needing several to get you through the day. Real world cost can only be determined after a couple days (weeks?) of use. EGO's support crew monitors the HD Q/A forums and claim that despite not being able to really predict how many charge cycles you'll get, they do offer a 3 year warranty. That's pretty generous.
Prompted by your video, I'm going to run a full charge while plugged into a Kill A Watt device which allows me to program in my electric cost and measure how much it costs to charge it.
I get maybe 30 minutes use per charge but I lean on the "Turbo" button heavily. The highest speed is actually pretty effective but hit that Turbo button once and you're addicted.
Lastly, for the hardcore power tool geeks out there, there are a couple excellent YT videos of EGO battery dissections. They really are pretty sophisticated, and durable.
OK Brad, you can have your channel back now. Rock on.
Haha, I love it! Great feedback and very helpful. I have already seen what you say about the turbo button. It is the only way to go! :)
Yeah I used my friends backpack blower it’s got 600cfm and yeah once I hit that turbo button my finger got stuck pressing it down it is addictive
I bought at least half of ego's products so far, an the reason is not savings, but convenience. Just like the convenience of cordless drill compared to corded one
But the commercial system does have a cord ;) Just kidding, I knew what you meant.
In Australia it is actually dearer than Ego's figures.
I am a residential line buyer and like their products but I can understand this gentleman's ire. Those figures are ridiculous and Ego's avoidance on answering those questions about gasoline costs appears shady. Ego designs and manufacturing are usually great but their customer contact channels suck. If only they had taken the time to talk with this gentlemen and corrected their figures.
I appreciate the comment and feedback, thank you for watching!
I think they are referring to using "TruFuel" 50:1 mix which is about $28/gallon...
I think they are referencing a ready to use gas/oil 50:1 mix in gallon containers which is sold at Lowes for just under $20.
It's called Tru Fuel and is sold in red one-gallon metal cans and in smaller sizes too. The red color indicates the 50:1 mix ratio.
If you watch the whole video I discuss that.
It only takes 5 secs to search for pre mix gas at Home Depot or Lowe's. I used to always mix my own, so I get it, but at least do some research, the cost at the store of pre-mix is very high if someone is unfamiliar or unwilling to mix it themselves. I love all the newer EGO 56V platform and will not be going back to gas, it's not if, but when it will breakdown. Sorry but we had a small engine repair shop years ago so I know very well. I am even done with my gas chainsaw, the EGO chainsaw is great, if only I did not have to sharpen the chain......lol!
Very glad it is working well for you!
Dang, I feel bad for anyone who has to pay $4.00 a gallon! We usually pay 3.50 with 2 stroke mix.
Same here, $4 a gallon for regular would be killer!
Maybe this was mentioned -- but would seem any commercial use would need lots of batteries in addition to the backpack -- and more importantly a method of charging these batteries from a vehicle? My guess is you would want a charging inverter system that only charges while the truck is on and in between jobs.
The battery is 'supposed' to provide all day use, so it is all you need. That being said, you come up with a lot of redundancy issues with only one battery powering your tools. What if it goes down, what if you forget to charge it the night before, what if your kid unplugged it from the charger, etc. All your eggs in one basket type deal.
Please Try Stihl With the ap 300 s batteries. I would love to go all in with batteries, but I am not going to do the backpack battery thing. A good sized battery like the ap 300s might be a good option. I am sure you would have to swap it out mid day, but I think it would be similar to a gas tank.
Hey, good to see you again! :) I answered on your previous comment.
I agree this i was wondering as well, I think in a video they take a lot more into account. Such as down times, times getting it started, and other un quantifiable things. But most commercial guys have they things streamlined and downtime is relatively low as long as you maintain it. Yeah I think it's a stretch. If I were to consider this, it would be for me for a few reasons just not dealing with gas and doing pulls, I would be working by myself. So yeah I dunno
And that is fine if they factor those things in, they just need to be public with it.
Even if their marketing is bad the numbers that you gave still do not advocate for your position as even if the additional initial costs roll into the next year its still a savings. Your title also doesn't make any sense for what the video is about.
The fact that they are either ignorant or deceitful about how they arrive at these numbers is a huge red flag for me personally since the numbers are what justify this purchase. If you can't clearly and plainly explain how your product is going to save and/or make me money, why in the world would I invest $3k just to take your word for it?
This is a big “so what” rant because even if you use YOUR numbers instead of EGO’s the battery equipment is still far cheaper.
Ehh, I wouldn't say far cheaper. And at least for me, there isn't any way you can justify misleading marketing.
Copper Creek Cuts Lawn Care - Ok, I hear your point, it would be nice if they had a break down of their numbers. However, calling it a “...reason you will not buy EGO’s Commercial Battery Series “ is a bit of a stretch.
If gas were that expensive.... I wouldn't be in business
XD You and me both!
True fuel is around $20 per gallon at Lowes or Home Depot
@@Warped65er so what you're saying further proves his point
*X-Files theme intensifies*
@@Warped65er I love batteries cus no fuel mixing and maintenance
Good video and breakdown. I’ve been using black and decker 20v system since 2013 and it’s great. I’ll never go back to gas. Can’t wait to see your reviews.
Thank you for the feedback and for watching, I appreciate it! :)
So I did the math. To pull off the road and fill up a 5 gallon jug is 4-7 min. Let's go with 4.
4min x 2 people equals 8min, but let's say he's solo.
4 min a week is 16 min a month x 7 equals 112 min at 75hr is 140$ a season.
Here's the kicker, if you fill up before every stop (commercial) it's about 4 min a day. If you wait or forget it's closer to 7 min. Let's go with the first since it's lower.
That adds up to 448min a season which is 560$ at 75hr.
Were at 700$ and we didn't include belts, oil mix, extra weight and space, gas cost, or storage or fondling of gas cans. (trailer less set up).
You going to count down to the minutes it takes to take backpack off and plug the batteries into the charge, then to take the Batteries off the charger and put them into the backpack.... he also has to put the backpack on and take it off every time he goes to use it.
Mt point is your really grasping at straws.
@@shortyorc121 you have to take a blower off to refuel as well so their isn't a difference there.
The comparison is less variable vs more. The electric not only has a cost savings overall but is also more customer friendly (stopping for passer bys and low noise). The gas run longer but cost more per hour to run.
If you have smaller properties (us) then battery will instantly make you more money. You'll see it in week one. Also lighter and easier on the guys and girls.
@@laymensgrowing2032 the cost of batteries kills it period. By the time my trimmer or blower spends $250 dollars in fuel would be years into its life cycle lol.....
I'm sorry bro it's not cost saving at all. Battery power trimmers are the 2nd coming for your average home owner who doesn't know how to properly maintain a small engine and that is all.
This product presently not available in India agriculture market. Farmers need cordless product range for Farming. Your product explaination is best, Thanks to you.
I hope one day you can get some! Thanks for watching and commenting!
Battery for home owners landscaping business workers/owners need gas equipment..runs longer (just for this simple fact)...
Purchase an EGO battery. 386.00 dollars 7.5 amp. If you worked on the commercial side. You will have to replace after a year. Good job on the video
I'm sure that EGO is using the worst case (highest prices) globally since they are selling their products worldwide. The point is that it is cheaper to go cordless electric (i.e. their commercial series products). I had been on the fence between EGO or GreenWorks. But, since EGO now has started offering a commercial series I have decided to go with them, mostly because of charge time vs run time for their back pack batteries compared to GreenWorks. The only thing I wish they had focused on for their commercial lineup release is zero turn mowers. I would love to have only, "Powered by EGO" on my trailer, but I can't. So I'm just trying to decide if I go with GreenWorks stand-on or Mean Green stand-on until EGO finally decides to offer a commercial zero turn. Either way it's a big investment and will need to save enough money in my equipment upgrade "account" to switch over, as quickly as possible, just in case they unveil a zero turn in a year or two.
I'm just really glad that they have a battery dummy plug adapter for the standard equipment until they have a full line-up of commercial equipment.
Thanks for all the feedback! I gotta admit, I am secretly hoping for an EGO zero turn at GIE 2019! ;)
Im looking at the commercial line up I'm entering the lawncare business and I'm in between going all ego 42 ego zero turn and commercial tool line up or a residential stihl 56rc string trimmer edger and a hedge trimmer and getting a toro timecutter 42. I all ready mow 5 lawns for people I know and make 40 to 60 on each lawn. I live in florida and the heat makes my scepter no spill cans inflate and when you go to burp the can it sprays fuel everywhere so I'm leaning towards ego. Also gas unleaded is 3.98 a gallon and non ethanol at circle k was 4.87 or 5.06 I don't remember but it's high priced for fuel atm great video tho
For the numbers part, I think they got the ppg from premixed oil and gas prices.
Yes, that is what I surmised in the video. Thanks for watching!
Their numbers seem to be spot on for 2022 gas prices lol
Maybe they’re basing their numbers off a mad max scenario 😂
LOL Could very well be!
I'm a home owner I have a ego trimmer and chainsaw and primarily use them for light duty stuff just for convenience. Recently had to do a big job took down two big ass pine trees and cut them all up with my gas Stihl chainsaw there's no way in hell I could have done that with the ego chainsaw even with a bunch of batteries
I think they're assuming you buy it pre-mixed in bulk.
Crazy thought process for them.
You're still spending $1300 a year on gas compared to the $100 for batteries. Are you this critical with all the numbers for the gas powered equipment you buy? If you're this triggered by a marketing teams numbers, you wouldn't be the lawn care business. Every single company fudges numbers to make themselves look better. You spent a 10 minute video to say you save over a grand a year with electric.
Don't take this the wrong way, but I don't think you are looking at this as a lawn care business owner, which is OK. However, that is who these tools are intended for, so you HAVE to look at them that way.
To answer your question, I am not that critical of gas marketing, because gas equipment doesn't require $2,000 to purchase one tool. I guess your logic is because every company fudges numbers it shouldn't ever be pointed out to help people make more informed choices?
Unfortunately, you DON'T save a grand a year. My example attempted to simply show these numbers are not trustworthy and require more research and calculations on your part. I used California, which has the highest gasoline cost at $4.00. The national average? $2.80. The figure I used for oil? $2.00 per gallon. My cost? Closer to $1.30. That puts the yearly cost at somewhere less than $950.00, so ~$850 difference per year. Now when you look at the fact these three tools are going to cost $2,900 versus gas tools which will cost ~$1,200, that is ~$1,700 to make up. So you break even in about two years. Two years is a LOOOONG time to wager the performance of three tools on one battery pack that can act up in cold or heat, be rendered useless if dropped, not to mention if it performs as well as the gas counterparts and all the headaches that come with batteries (like the fact that if you have two people working, they will never be able to use the $2,900 in electric tools at the same time because there is only 1 battery pack, etc.)
Again, I am not trying to be rude, but I think anyone who does this for a living or on the side will IMMEDIATELY see the glaring issue with these inflated numbers that EGO is putting out rather than trying to justify them or find fault with the guy pointing them out. That being said, I do appreciate your input and watching the video! :)
Marketing numbers way too high. If Copper Creek showed those numbers then said, look at these savings! Most people here would wonder about his business acumen
I think they're using pricing based on the fuel you can get at Lowes or Home Depot, not the gas station. TruFuel is a brand I believe..
I am not sure if you were able to watch the whole video but that is what I speculated as well somewhere after the 7:00 mark(even showed some shots of the TruFuel!) 😁
This video was the biggest waste of time. You should put your efforts into actually reviewing and testing the product, not wast 10 min of time complaining about their marketing. This is NOT a valid reason to not buy a product
I did review and test the product in multiple videos. As a commercial user, a company providing disingenuous or incorrect numbers to try and convince you the merit of their product, to me, is a huge deal and a valid reason to not buy. You are much more forgiving than I am in your business.
The ONLY way this has any weight is if they are comparing 'premium' using "Red Armor 110 oz. 50:1 Pre-mixed Ethanol Free Fuel" from HomeDepot @ $24.97 a "gallon" can (note: only 110oz, 18oz short of a full gallon), but to your point I cannot think a commercial client/user would be buying like that. Granted the Red Armor is 93 octane ethanol free stabile fuel.. still a far reach.
I agree, using the premix numbers get us closer, but like you said that is disingenuous of EGO since the pros they are marketing to don't use that.
I have a gas pressure washer and it takes me an hour to start it up because the string is too long.
Sounds like a pain!
@@CopperCreekCuts yes it is… my son comes over to help me it only takes him 45 minutes. He’s a lot faster at it because he’s 72. God bless his heart.
Makes sense for 5 Gallon tank
Glad to hear, thanks for watching!
Have to disregard the fuel costing here in ireland in 2022. We are upto 8.36usd per gal of fuel, plus 2stroke brings this above the egos math.