My advice to ED on the crater problem is to add a crater pruning algorithm to DCS. Craters that overlap are prime candidates for removal. Lone craters should be left alone if possible. This would be better than turning off craters after a certain number. Instead, I would keep the number low enough using pruning.
Continuing the Vietnam era. There is the famous "Dragons Jaw" bridge that took years of bombing missions to bring down. Adding a bit of a GR twist, it might be an interesting gauntlet to run
The setup is like this "Here's a bunch of guns with wings. DON'T USE THE GUNS!" Oh well, video was good. Looking forward to updates where the crater glitch is resolved.
"I want a damn Din Bin Phu." Lyndon Baines Johnson on the Siege of Khe Sanh, in this timeline (The original quote is "I don't want no damn Din Bin Phu," apparently)
43:22 To be fair to Damp, he WAS coming in on the end of the runway with the landing marks, so theoretically, he was the only one who tried to land on the right runway. :D
Thank you for adding the JTAC to a comparable Vietnam era battle Cap! It really drives home the amazing step-up in CAS effectiveness and the impact it has on any enemy combatants who mistakenly bunch up too much during a modern conflict. We may have replaced the smoke rockets for highly trained JTAC special forces using optimized comms with GPS and grid coordinates, but the rockets served as a great analogue while also being period correct. The effectiveness of the A-10, even with the limited load out options is amazingly impressive. Imagine modern Air Force TACPs embedded with Tier 1 Special Forces directing highly trained USAF A-10 pilots with mission-specific loadouts and the required number of air assets per the mission. Then imagine if that stray drip from a certain damp sock didn’t leak out. 😊 I am one quite entertained valued viewer and once again your connection with your valued viewer community is quite unique and special compared to other YT channels. Thank you once again for the hours of entertainment since I found the GR!
Recommendation: Try running an ultra modern air superiority campaign with each side having a dozen or so legacy aircraft (F-15, F-16, MiG-29, SU-27/30/33/37) and a handful of modern stealth fighters (F-22 vs J-20 or Su-57). Players that were shot down while flying a stealth aircraft could respawn in any allowable legacy craft, players who were shot down in a legacy craft could respawn in any warbird of their choice. What tactics would serve best to keep the legacy craft relevant ? How easy would it be target and take out the enemy's stealth aircraft ? How screwed would an air force be once all its stealth aircraft were gone ? To make it even more intense keep the opposing airfields relatively close to each other (say 15-20 minutes flight time max) but limit each side to a maximum of just 20-25% internal fuel with no limit on externals. Do you REALLY want to screw your RCS by adding bags ? Can you afford NOT to ? Would taking out enemy stealth aircraft on the ground/returning from patrol be a valid tactic ? I'd love to see this played out.
Cap I have to make one correction, after the French lost it was only 5 years before the Americans were involved in Vietnam. We were involved long before 64 and the Gulf of Tonkin. Keep up the good work, it's fun watching the scenarios you do.
And one other historical comment - Dien Bien Phu wasn’t a last stand - it was meant as a trap the French thought they were setting! - the French thought if they set up a base in the middle of hostile territory, well fortified and provided with firepower and airpower they would be able to draw the Vietnamese into a decisive fight where the French could inflict serious damage on them. The French artillery commander was so confident that when offered more resources in the lead up to the battle he commented that he already had more than enough guns. After about the first three days of serious fighting he realised his mistake and blew himself up with a grenade…
So fascinating to watch! DCS needs an option for the mission editor to turn off bullet craters, and separate bomb craters as well i guess, so you can use all the weapon types.
Great video, I still haven’t actually bought this game yet BUT I’m more & more tempted by each new video I watch. Not sure how much it’s worth mentioning but I’m an ex British Army JTAC as we we’re called. We had to call in 9 liners which is the 9 lines of info required by the jets or artillery (naval & ground based) that includes the grid ref, bearing & range, type of targets (ToT) Etc. Keep up the great work & I may buy this game myself. Cheers 🍻
There's one problem : during the real battle of Dien Bien Phu, there was fog because it was the monsoon season. That's why the french air force didn't intervene efficiently. You should redo the same but with low visibility
Best one yet ,great angles (take off and infantry getting bombed) and awesome spotting by hueys and following ground attack. Well done all flyers looking forward to next giggle at what Damp does lol.
That was awesome to watch. Very nice teamwork and mission layout. I am looking forward to more like this and&or with aaa. Thanks to everyone, who participated.
Hi all. Don't forget the 3 or 4 ex- US Army, Chaffee light recon tanks. They knew they couldn't drive them in so they had them stripped down to the last manageable bit (hull, turret and gun mantle all separated as well) & flown in and put back together at the other end.
I'm sure the kill count would even be higher with less ordinance, if you had a organized attack pattern where everyone had an attack order. Instead of all diving and bombing the first smoke Ie Cap gets first run while #2 in the order starts after cap call bombs away then #2 can watch where Cap's bomb fall and tweak his approach to not drop his in the same crater. Plus will give time for the FAc Helos to clear the area.
Great Video.... however, having studied a lot of FAC techniques from the Vietnam War, I'd suggest a couple of things: 1) if the P-47 can carry smokes, I'd use it; also have TWO FAC's in the mission(maybe give them respawns) so you have only a few set of rockets to deal with. Also, the FACs call in when the fighters can roll in and from which direction and pull-off.
This war games series really is great! Would love to see something about the A10 and changing Gallipoli or Somme? Maybe "How much could a modern CSG change WW!?"
Problem with those two scenarios is that according to what I've, they were both trench warfare, in game we dont have any suitable analogues for trench warfare yet.
Loved it Cap! Also great teamwork with FAC from huey's ^^ Its faster from a FAC from the air then from the ground, many factors that TACP have to consider before the first bombs or other weapons are deployed... Hope more CAS vids come up^^ A-10 or SU-25 ;) CAS on Khe Sahn? (Airfield defence) CAS in Korengal Valley? (Hill to Hill combat) CAS in Bosnia - Herzegovina? (Cas in urban envirement) Cas in urban area's the worst of all! Maybe a challenge for GR? ;) anyway nice Vid and loved to see the A-10 again ^^
Huguette--pronounced like "YOU-get", with a barely aspirated H at the start (if that. Depends on how casual your pronunciation is...in normal speech, you wouldn't notice the H at all.)
Isabelle was the LAST to fall. The FFL destroyed their equipment and broke out south to meet up with Condor (Relief Unit). I missed the AA that should have been all over you guys. The VM had quite alot.
Fantastic display of CAS effect. Only one thing that might increase the efficiency and maybe a bit more realism: Rotation and command. My take would be thus: 33% of aircraft on-site and fighting, 33% reloading on base and 33% en route either from or to the site. The last 1% would be my OSC coordinating the strikes in order to maximize weapon effectiveness. The AFAC could also implement a rotation with a 33,3% split thus ensuring effectiveness. Maybe even with their own OSC. An overall commander, to do the scheduling for all the components, is an important role to have with that rotation. He would need such things as regular ammo status reports by the OSCs. So the roleplay could be used for even more effectiveness. With such a short travel time as in this scenario, it would probably also work to do a split of 50/50. But with the results speaking for themselves it is not really necessary. besides Cap filled a bit of the OSC role anyway. If the server could take it it might be interesting to do the same with Vietnamese AAA present?
I think I would have used Napalm on some of the runs as one bomb released from a low-flying plane can damage an area of 2,500 square yards (2,100 m2). The added benefit would be no craters and the fire will work as a barrier preventing enemy troops from advancing on a position.
Enjoy your vids. Is it really Bien Dien Phu without AA? 6 battalions of 37mm AA And that's just the tip of the AA iceberg. Try it. Let's see the A10 vs heavy WW2 AA. The NV had actually managed to emplace 17 - 37mm AA at the end of the runway. Have fun landing or taking off through that!
@@grimreapers I meant just one modern ship, sat in battleship row unprepared as the rest were. :) Perhaps too similar a concept, I'll keep the thinking hat on.
1:55 As a German, I checked the cited source and it holds no evidence to back this claim. As a matter of fact, the cited source is about Western German politics towards Indochina and France's involvement, especially about recruiting thousands to tens of thousands Germans for the French Foreign Legion to fight in Indochina. There are no mentions of East German advisors.
It is ironic you make this study here. The A-10 was created as an answer to the issues encountered in Viet Nam, just not in time. Funny you have to limit craters. A B=52 crew member from the war I worked with told me on a mission (don't know which) the target was a mountain tunnel system and the were third from last in the bomber formation over target. The mountain was already gone from earlier bomb strikes.
I had about 20 French-military jokes all typed out, but that might get Cap demonitized for hating on the French even though it's all in good fun, and nobody takes it seriously. The French make fun of the English and the Americans, and the English and Americans make fun of the French. Gods help you if you actually attack any of them because they've been friends for so long that the other two will happily come kick your ass.
I can't wait for the Pimax 12K to come out. Having the ability to look around naturally will be great. What setup do you use? screen/screens with head tracking or VR?
Very interesting scenario. It's a shame the server couldn't handle the craters the GAU-8s would have made. That would have been fun to watch. I think the outcome would have been much different, if the bad guys had the AA weapons they did in real life. Excellent work as always.
I don't know if you realize that your handle might as well be a dolf hi tler. Just sayin. Mass murderers be mass murderers. You might consider a change.
@@hegemonycricket9549 Hey no offense meant bro! Read the book The Gulag Archipelago and let me know. I didn't mean to imply anything about you, just that Lenin wasn't a good guy. Sorry for the implication.
@@yuuzyerbrejn9603 Like I said, you dont know anything about me, my experiences, or my education. I have forgotten more about Russian history than you are likely to ever know.
Great video! Where can I get the mission file? Ps, really great job directing fire with the smoke! There was a lot of radio chatter though. Communication might be easier if there was a chain of command.
DBP base was in a valley/basin surrounded by hills upon which the NV situated their artillery which pounded the strip and supply aircraft. Shouldn't the A10 strike force go for them rather than infantry? Leave the NV infantry for the defending infantry? Armchair general speaking...
@@grimreapers Don't A10s have ability to loiter and detect ground heat emissions with IR when enemy firing and target them that way? Maybe not, I don't know just wondered...Also, if the guns were completely hidden, how did the NV find them? Ha ha just kidding.
If I remember, the French did not suspect guns as therefore were no roads to those locations, just jungle. The French were not even looking for guns until the shelling started. The NV had to first build roads to the location and then pull them up with ropes.
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They might have a tough time. The Viet-Minh had 24 37mm AA guns along with 50-70 heavy machine guns. The 37mm's were regularly hitting aircraft up to 10,000. Spooky and Spectre do great in an environment with little to no AA capability but DBP is a different story.
Wow I thought the FACs would make it better but wasn't expecting it to be so devastating. From attack alert to spotting and effects on target was like 2.5 minutes
Great video as always! "Huguette" is pronounced "Hu-get". The "gu" in French is a hard G so you dont pronounce the second u. A soft G would be in something like "courgette".
Did I miss what happened to the Cs and As in the actual operation? This looked like a huge amount of fun. It would be hard to choose whether to be a FAC or a bomber.
The numbers you provide for French aircraft are way too high. The French would have loved to have 600 aircraft in theater. GATAC Nord (Tactical Air Group North) which covered Tonkin had 107 combat aircraft on its books at the beginning of the battle. The Transport Command had approximately 110-120 DC-3s and C-119s, the number varies on the time frame. These aircraft provided transport for all of Indochina (Tonkin, Annam, Cochin, Laos and Cambodia). Those are number of aircraft on hand, the number operationally available are about 1/4 to 1/3 less than that. Boylan & Olivier in "Valley of the Shadow" cite 14 aircraft shot down, 9 lost to operational factors (such as engine failure, or bad weather), and 16 lost on the ground (artillery bombardment or commando raids).
The Viet Minh also had a significant investment of artillery in the mountains surrounding Dienbienphu. Also they French used Hellcats and A26 Invaders (Tbolts and Mossies?)
@@Andrew-13579 Armee de l'Air used F8F Bearcats and B-26 Invaders. The Aeronavale had a squadron each of Hellcats and Helldivers. In May a squadron of Corsairs came on station but the Hellcat squadron was withdrawn due to pilot shortages/fatigue.
Valued viewer request: what if the Russians sent back su 25s mi 24s and mig 29s to bring an quicker end to the vietnam war? Could the vietnamese have defeated the americans earlier?
It's a shame that the RN and RAF didn't have the benefit of zero wind and perfect conditions for their attempts. Several bombs did hit the ship but did not penetrate the deck. Incidentally it only took one Tallboy to put Tirpitz out of action, the Germans were unsporting enough not to acknowledge the fact. How about one Vulcan with one bomb?
I heard a pilot comment in the video, “can’t wait for the Corsair. 30 bombs in one load!” I think you mean the A-7. I don’t know if that’s a practical load, though. You guys can use the A-4E Skyhawks right now and get 18 bombs in one load…Mk-81’s. But the Mk-81’s smaller blast might be preferable here. Of course, there are many combinations that would be interesting. Try P-47s instead of A-10’s. The 8 .50-Cals can lay down a lot of precise fire. Or try A-4s with 18 AN/M81 frag bombs or SUU ‘lazy dog’ dispensers. Although, they are not very precise. The A-4 also can carry 3 20mm gun pods. The ‘new’ bomb computer makes bombing far easier than with the F-5 or F-86. (am I selling the A-4, yet? 😄)
If you're going provide air support for the French with A-10s, then its only fair that the Vietnamese have SAM systems and MiGs and Sukhois for air support and patrol.
Great video Cap. Wouldn’t it be interesting to compare these videos with what the results would be if you used era appropriate planes. I’m thinking p47 or p51 planes would be perfect for this sort of CAS, anti infantry, and propeller planes were used in that role. They could get down and up again quite quickly too. The question is how they compare to modern jets?
The A10 wasn't long in full production not long after the end of the Vietnam war. if only they took it to full production in the early/mid 60s when it was designed. Vietnam war ended in 75(?I think) and the A10 was entered into service in 76
The FAC(A)s need to have a rank order/flight commander. They then organise themselves in pairs. Targets are issued pair by pair for marking smoke. One bird drops smoke while the other watches for ground fire and covers with MG, The FAC(A) lead then calls the A-10s (who have been holding in a race-track, one by one and calls their fall of shot for the next bird. Coordination and communication will result in less doubled-up bomb drops and wasted bombs. The A-10 lead keeps his flight in order and assigns the bomb runs as they're called. The main problem with these simulations is people paying like it's Counter Strike and racing ahead and disarming the bomb makes you a legend and then your "team" wins. It needs to be more like Rainbow Six where the entire team works together at their jobs so the WHOLE team works.
B-52's carpet-bombing the surrounding hills would have kept AA fire down. A-10's and AC-130's would then have a field day. Bradleys and M1's would also have wrecked any Viet Minh who made it to close range.
(My pre-battle thoughts: re the acceptable casualty rate to deem the mission successful; US amphibious assault doctrine of the period planned for a 30 percent loss rate so I would think it prudent to go with your initial thoughts of inflicting closer to 50 percent casualties to win the battle)..... end result? LOL!!! No spoilers for those who read comments before watching. Great vid and performance from all involved!
Impressive mssion, esp the details of the setup. Too bad the server can't handle a more fulsome simulation, but you did good with what you had. I expect real life casualties would be lower owing not only to AAA, but also men digging fighting positions as they progressed toward the base. The friendly chopper kills show you need to work on your stack and "control" part of fac. Best!
I think I have a pretty simple to answer question. Can the WP rockets kill infantry? Is that modelled? It's not what they are for but WP will injure or kill irl.
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Hi great video can you do a ag performance video similar to the aa missile video
Lots done already, check out last few vids in here: th-cam.com/play/PL3kOAM2N1YJcR0yJfN82co23MADdkxXp8.html
@@grimreapers thanks
Amazing stuff, Cap. I'm stoked that you guys came back to revisit this so quickly and prove that team work and tactics are a massive force multiplier.
My advice to ED on the crater problem is to add a crater pruning algorithm to DCS. Craters that overlap are prime candidates for removal. Lone craters should be left alone if possible. This would be better than turning off craters after a certain number. Instead, I would keep the number low enough using pruning.
agree
Continuing the Vietnam era. There is the famous "Dragons Jaw" bridge that took years of bombing missions to bring down. Adding a bit of a GR twist, it might be an interesting gauntlet to run
The setup is like this "Here's a bunch of guns with wings. DON'T USE THE GUNS!" Oh well, video was good. Looking forward to updates where the crater glitch is resolved.
"Unfortunately, you're not allowed to use the gun today".
>A-10 has left the server
Very fun!, FACs made a BIG difference :)
"I want a damn Din Bin Phu."
Lyndon Baines Johnson on the Siege of Khe Sanh, in this timeline
(The original quote is "I don't want no damn Din Bin Phu," apparently)
"I'm givin' her all she's got Captain" Love it.
Also those two legends at 19:35, what kind of vests do they have on haha
Thank you for these videos, they're pantloads of fun to watch! Better than anything on TV!
that was a great video cap, keep up the good work my dude!
43:22 To be fair to Damp, he WAS coming in on the end of the runway with the landing marks, so theoretically, he was the only one who tried to land on the right runway. :D
Great 👍🏼 idea!!!
Love your channel Cap
Salut to you (🇬🇧)from across the pond(🇺🇸)
I loved this one Cap! Please give us more cooperative missions like this!
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Awesome job Cap and the Team
Thank you for adding the JTAC to a comparable Vietnam era battle Cap! It really drives home the amazing step-up in CAS effectiveness and the impact it has on any enemy combatants who mistakenly bunch up too much during a modern conflict. We may have replaced the smoke rockets for highly trained JTAC special forces using optimized comms with GPS and grid coordinates, but the rockets served as a great analogue while also being period correct.
The effectiveness of the A-10, even with the limited load out options is amazingly impressive. Imagine modern Air Force TACPs embedded with Tier 1 Special Forces directing highly trained USAF A-10 pilots with mission-specific loadouts and the required number of air assets per the mission. Then imagine if that stray drip from a certain damp sock didn’t leak out. 😊
I am one quite entertained valued viewer and once again your connection with your valued viewer community is quite unique and special compared to other YT channels. Thank you once again for the hours of entertainment since I found the GR!
Recommendation: Try running an ultra modern air superiority campaign with each side having a dozen or so legacy aircraft (F-15, F-16, MiG-29, SU-27/30/33/37) and a handful of modern stealth fighters (F-22 vs J-20 or Su-57). Players that were shot down while flying a stealth aircraft could respawn in any allowable legacy craft, players who were shot down in a legacy craft could respawn in any warbird of their choice.
What tactics would serve best to keep the legacy craft relevant ? How easy would it be target and take out the enemy's stealth aircraft ? How screwed would an air force be once all its stealth aircraft were gone ?
To make it even more intense keep the opposing airfields relatively close to each other (say 15-20 minutes flight time max) but limit each side to a maximum of just 20-25% internal fuel with no limit on externals.
Do you REALLY want to screw your RCS by adding bags ? Can you afford NOT to ? Would taking out enemy stealth aircraft on the ground/returning from patrol be a valid tactic ?
I'd love to see this played out.
cool!
Cap I have to make one correction, after the French lost it was only 5 years before the Americans were involved in Vietnam. We were involved long before 64 and the Gulf of Tonkin. Keep up the good work, it's fun watching the scenarios you do.
thx
The Japanese and Australia have Viet Min beat till French took over . A buff ark light could have changed it French Colonial Infentry with Legion.
American pilots flew over Dien Bien Phu dropping paras and supplies.
And one other historical comment - Dien Bien Phu wasn’t a last stand - it was meant as a trap the French thought they were setting! - the French thought if they set up a base in the middle of hostile territory, well fortified and provided with firepower and airpower they would be able to draw the Vietnamese into a decisive fight where the French could inflict serious damage on them. The French artillery commander was so confident that when offered more resources in the lead up to the battle he commented that he already had more than enough guns. After about the first three days of serious fighting he realised his mistake and blew himself up with a grenade…
Fire back at you?! Dang, by the second bomb everyone just wants to get away from the smoke. Feets don't fail me now.
So fascinating to watch! DCS needs an option for the mission editor to turn off bullet craters, and separate bomb craters as well i guess, so you can use all the weapon types.
agree
😱😭😱😭... The crater factor is a pain. It massively restricts our options.
Great video, I still haven’t actually bought this game yet BUT I’m more & more tempted by each new video I watch. Not sure how much it’s worth mentioning but I’m an ex British Army JTAC as we we’re called. We had to call in 9 liners which is the 9 lines of info required by the jets or artillery (naval & ground based) that includes the grid ref, bearing & range, type of targets (ToT) Etc. Keep up the great work & I may buy this game myself. Cheers 🍻
Please buy game and come join us :)
Been really enjoying your mission vids, kudos on the creative takes on history.
There's one problem : during the real battle of Dien Bien Phu, there was fog because it was the monsoon season. That's why the french air force didn't intervene efficiently.
You should redo the same but with low visibility
It's interesting that the closer the A-10 gets to the era she was designed to fight in, the better she does.
and the closer she gets to the role she was designed for
How is that interesting it's obvious wtf 🤣
Best one yet ,great angles (take off and infantry getting bombed) and awesome spotting by hueys and following ground attack. Well done all flyers looking forward to next giggle at what Damp does lol.
That was awesome to watch. Very nice teamwork and mission layout. I am looking forward to more like this and&or with aaa. Thanks to everyone, who participated.
Hi all.
Don't forget the 3 or 4 ex- US Army, Chaffee light recon tanks. They knew they couldn't drive them in so they had them stripped down to the last manageable bit (hull, turret and gun mantle all separated as well) & flown in and put back together at the other end.
And it is said, the names of those fire bases as such are after the commandants misstress lol
thx
This was awesome Cap!
I thought the J85 (powering the F-5s) was built for a Cruise missile, I just found out it was for the ADM 20 Quail decoy for the B-52.
cool
I'm sure the kill count would even be higher with less ordinance, if you had a organized attack pattern where everyone had an attack order. Instead of all diving and bombing the first smoke Ie Cap gets first run while #2 in the order starts after cap call bombs away then #2 can watch where Cap's bomb fall and tweak his approach to not drop his in the same crater. Plus will give time for the FAc Helos to clear the area.
Great Video.... however, having studied a lot of FAC techniques from the Vietnam War, I'd suggest a couple of things: 1) if the P-47 can carry smokes, I'd use it; also have TWO FAC's in the mission(maybe give them respawns) so you have only a few set of rockets to deal with. Also, the FACs call in when the fighters can roll in and from which direction and pull-off.
Roger
This war games series really is great! Would love to see something about the A10 and changing Gallipoli or Somme? Maybe "How much could a modern CSG change WW!?"
How many A-10s does it take to decimate a Roman Legion?
Problem with those two scenarios is that according to what I've, they were both trench warfare, in game we dont have any suitable analogues for trench warfare yet.
I supposed you could argue that this stage of Dien Bien Phu was trench warfare...
Loved it Cap! Also great teamwork with FAC from huey's ^^ Its faster from a FAC from the air then from the ground, many factors that TACP have to consider before the first bombs or other weapons are deployed...
Hope more CAS vids come up^^ A-10 or SU-25 ;)
CAS on Khe Sahn? (Airfield defence)
CAS in Korengal Valley? (Hill to Hill combat)
CAS in Bosnia - Herzegovina? (Cas in urban envirement)
Cas in urban area's the worst of all! Maybe a challenge for GR? ;)
anyway nice Vid and loved to see the A-10 again ^^
thx
Huguette--pronounced like "YOU-get", with a barely aspirated H at the start (if that. Depends on how casual your pronunciation is...in normal speech, you wouldn't notice the H at all.)
The feminine version of the name Hugo, which is normally pronounced close to the original in English
The letter "H" in English also does not start with an "H"; i.e. it is pronounced "aitch", not "haitch".
thxx
Isabelle was the LAST to fall. The FFL destroyed their equipment and broke out south to meet up with Condor (Relief Unit). I missed the AA that should have been all over you guys. The VM had quite alot.
Fantastic display of CAS effect.
Only one thing that might increase the efficiency and maybe a bit more realism: Rotation and command.
My take would be thus:
33% of aircraft on-site and fighting, 33% reloading on base and 33% en route either from or to the site. The last 1% would be my OSC coordinating the strikes in order to maximize weapon effectiveness.
The AFAC could also implement a rotation with a 33,3% split thus ensuring effectiveness. Maybe even with their own OSC.
An overall commander, to do the scheduling for all the components, is an important role to have with that rotation. He would need such things as regular ammo status reports by the OSCs.
So the roleplay could be used for even more effectiveness.
With such a short travel time as in this scenario, it would probably also work to do a split of 50/50.
But with the results speaking for themselves it is not really necessary. besides Cap filled a bit of the OSC role anyway.
If the server could take it it might be interesting to do the same with Vietnamese AAA present?
Yes looking forward to Ho Ci Min attack thanks guys great run
Nice! I was going to ask if you could do one with siege of Khe san (spelling?) and B1s with JDAMs
Here's the proper spelling. Khe Sanh
nice
I think I would have used Napalm on some of the runs as one bomb released from a low-flying plane can damage an area of 2,500 square yards (2,100 m2). The added benefit would be no craters and the fire will work as a barrier preventing enemy troops from advancing on a position.
Enjoy your vids. Is it really Bien Dien Phu without AA?
6 battalions of 37mm AA
And that's just the tip of the AA iceberg.
Try it. Let's see the A10 vs heavy WW2 AA.
The NV had actually managed to emplace 17 - 37mm AA at the end of the runway.
Have fun landing or taking off through that!
Fair point
The Hueys are flying rather close to the bombs exploding... too close?
Love the series! Could a Ticonderoga or Arleigh Burke class teleported back in time to pearl harbour have stopped the attack I wonder...
we did this in Vid 44a, 44b & 44c: th-cam.com/play/PL3kOAM2N1YJdV_JwZaN1yGScRAb_yUTHx.html
@@grimreapers I meant just one modern ship, sat in battleship row unprepared as the rest were. :) Perhaps too similar a concept, I'll keep the thinking hat on.
Nice job.. Only thing I think would/should be added is friendly smoke. But I think that may just be nit-picking on my part.
1:55 As a German, I checked the cited source and it holds no evidence to back this claim.
As a matter of fact, the cited source is about Western German politics towards Indochina and France's involvement, especially about recruiting thousands to tens of thousands Germans for the French Foreign Legion to fight in Indochina. There are no mentions of East German advisors.
There was a c46 commando transport which was wrecked by shell or mortar fire and became a sort of landmark.
It is ironic you make this study here. The A-10 was created as an answer to the issues encountered in Viet Nam, just not in time. Funny you have to limit craters. A B=52 crew member from the war I worked with told me on a mission (don't know which) the target was a mountain tunnel system and the were third from last in the bomber formation over target. The mountain was already gone from earlier bomb strikes.
Let's see Hard Core Mode! With Anti Air!👍
I don't think GR are good enough Hog pilots for that.
@@grimreapers lol awww c'mon on Cap ya gotta have the faith! Plus if all fails it'll still be entertaining, watching the carnage ;)
I had about 20 French-military jokes all typed out, but that might get Cap demonitized for hating on the French even though it's all in good fun, and nobody takes it seriously. The French make fun of the English and the Americans, and the English and Americans make fun of the French. Gods help you if you actually attack any of them because they've been friends for so long that the other two will happily come kick your ass.
lol :)
I can't wait for the Pimax 12K to come out. Having the ability to look around naturally will be great. What setup do you use? screen/screens with head tracking or VR?
This was great, you should try it with the AAA on. Isn't the Warthog supposed to be a flying tank? Put it to the test.
You'd have some equipped with Mavericks to hit the AAA.
I'd like to see the A10's in dogfights against vietnam era migs...how A10's would've done rather than f4 phantoms?
Vietnam era migs would easily destroy the A10s, the A10 is slow and sluggish, even slower than some late ww2 prop aircraft
The F4 was an interceptor. The A-10 is a ground-attack aircraft, not a fighter.
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If you could force the migs down low, the A-10s would stand a chance.
Very interesting scenario. It's a shame the server couldn't handle the craters the GAU-8s would have made. That would have been fun to watch. I think the outcome would have been much different, if the bad guys had the AA weapons they did in real life.
Excellent work as always.
I don't know if you realize that your handle might as well be a dolf hi tler. Just sayin. Mass murderers be mass murderers. You might consider a change.
But as Cap said, those would have been the first thing hit, from miles away by Mavericks.
@@yuuzyerbrejn9603 That is your opinion. You know nothing about me or my background. I suggest you mind your own business.
@@hegemonycricket9549 Hey no offense meant bro! Read the book The Gulag Archipelago and let me know. I didn't mean to imply anything about you, just that Lenin wasn't a good guy. Sorry for the implication.
@@yuuzyerbrejn9603 Like I said, you dont know anything about me, my experiences, or my education. I have forgotten more about Russian history than you are likely to ever know.
BEST VIDEO I HAVE SEEN YOU GUYS DO!!!! More Vietnam FAC and CAS missions. I hope DCS do the A1 Skyraider, A7 and F105 Thud
That was some good FACing work.
Went a bit wrong at the end.
Great video! Where can I get the mission file? Ps, really great job directing fire with the smoke! There was a lot of radio chatter though. Communication might be easier if there was a chain of command.
I no longer share the missions sorry.
DBP base was in a valley/basin surrounded by hills upon which the NV situated their artillery which pounded the strip and supply aircraft. Shouldn't the A10 strike force go for them rather than infantry? Leave the NV infantry for the defending infantry? Armchair general speaking...
My understanding also was the NV basically had longer range artillery. If you could take them out it would mean a full infantry assault.
Or do both.
Yes that;s a fair point. Problem is according to wiki, the guns were completely hidden, I doubt we would have found them?
@@grimreapers Don't A10s have ability to loiter and detect ground heat emissions with IR when enemy firing and target them that way? Maybe not, I don't know just wondered...Also, if the guns were completely hidden, how did the NV find them? Ha ha just kidding.
If I remember, the French did not suspect guns as therefore were no roads to those locations, just jungle. The French were not even looking for guns until the shelling started. The NV had to first build roads to the location and then pull them up with ropes.
Stealth Squadron's VS Star Destroyer Fleet!👍👍
Stealth Squadron's Center Front Formation--
Flying in Two Formations of Five-- Ten F-22 Raptors! Flying few miles behind in Two separate formations and few miles up-- Four YF-12A's! Flying underneath-- Five F-117's! Flying a few miles behind-- Eight B-2 Spirits, flying in formations of Two!
Right Flank-- Fifteen F-35's flying in Three formations of Five! Few miles behind-- Ten F-117's flying in Two formations of Five! And behind in the back-- Four B-2 Spirits flying in formations of Two!
Left Flank Mirrors The Right Flank with one exception-- The Millennium Falcon with Four X-Wing's and Two Y-Wing's all converging from the Far Left Flank To Help The Stealth Squadron's!! Please have a Stealth way in back with a Nuke if all else fails! ;)
Star Destroyer Fleet-- LOTS of Tie-Fighters, Good amount of Tie-Interceptors, Eight Tie-Hunters, and Four Corvette Raiders!!😁👍👍
This would be perfect for a couple C-130 gunships to circle.
They might have a tough time. The Viet-Minh had 24 37mm AA guns along with 50-70 heavy machine guns. The 37mm's were regularly hitting aircraft up to 10,000. Spooky and Spectre do great in an environment with little to no AA capability but DBP is a different story.
Happy New Year to you guys in the Grim Rapists! ;)
Should also see if it was possible to do the final flight from Flight Of The Intruder through the missile defences
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Imagine having F4 Phantoms and A1 Skyraiders in this too
Anyone would think that by the 1950s the French would have enough Experience to avoid Fixed Fortifications as a Plan.
Wow I thought the FACs would make it better but wasn't expecting it to be so devastating. From attack alert to spotting and effects on target was like 2.5 minutes
Great content Happy New Year
Nobody bomb the base, the base, nobody bomb it! Bomb the base, right on it! When your call sign is ‘Nobody’.
Great video as always! "Huguette" is pronounced "Hu-get". The "gu" in French is a hard G so you dont pronounce the second u. A soft G would be in something like "courgette".
Like "baguette" but with a "hu" instead of a "ba"
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Did I miss what happened to the Cs and As in the actual operation? This looked like a huge amount of fun. It would be hard to choose whether to be a FAC or a bomber.
The numbers you provide for French aircraft are way too high. The French would have loved to have 600 aircraft in theater. GATAC Nord (Tactical Air Group North) which covered Tonkin had 107 combat aircraft on its books at the beginning of the battle. The Transport Command had approximately 110-120 DC-3s and C-119s, the number varies on the time frame. These aircraft provided transport for all of Indochina (Tonkin, Annam, Cochin, Laos and Cambodia). Those are number of aircraft on hand, the number operationally available are about 1/4 to 1/3 less than that. Boylan & Olivier in "Valley of the Shadow" cite 14 aircraft shot down, 9 lost to operational factors (such as engine failure, or bad weather), and 16 lost on the ground (artillery bombardment or commando raids).
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I like the kayos, now that s realism. Production war crimes hear would be like handing out speeding tickets at the Indi 500!
The Viet Minh also had a significant investment of artillery in the mountains surrounding Dienbienphu. Also they French used Hellcats and A26 Invaders (Tbolts and Mossies?)
Main artilery composed of 24 105mm howitzer in dug in bunkers on the mountains, with numerous mobile 75mm
I think they used the F4U-7 Corsairs and F8F Bearcats, too, didn’t they? And some Curtiss SB2C-5 Helldivers, too. And the A-26s.
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@@Andrew-13579 : Excellent point. I was trying to think of what planes in DCS could sub for the Cat and A26.
@@Andrew-13579 Armee de l'Air used F8F Bearcats and B-26 Invaders. The Aeronavale had a squadron each of Hellcats and Helldivers. In May a squadron of Corsairs came on station but the Hellcat squadron was withdrawn due to pilot shortages/fatigue.
DAMP: What is friendly? CAP: Who brought Damp along?
Valued viewer request: what if the Russians sent back su 25s mi 24s and mig 29s to bring an quicker end to the vietnam war? Could the vietnamese have defeated the americans earlier?
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CooL! now that was pretty damn great. 👍🍺🍺⭐🤸♂ CHEERS!
Is there a O-2 skymaster that can launch white phosphorus rockets in this game?
It's a shame that the RN and RAF didn't have the benefit of zero wind and perfect conditions for their attempts. Several bombs did hit the ship but did not penetrate the deck. Incidentally it only took one Tallboy to put Tirpitz out of action, the Germans were unsporting enough not to acknowledge the fact. How about one Vulcan with one bomb?
Did Damp get the most friendly kills again? lol
He bombed a helicopter, which is somewhat ironic.
I heard a pilot comment in the video, “can’t wait for the Corsair. 30 bombs in one load!” I think you mean the A-7. I don’t know if that’s a practical load, though. You guys can use the A-4E Skyhawks right now and get 18 bombs in one load…Mk-81’s. But the Mk-81’s smaller blast might be preferable here.
Of course, there are many combinations that would be interesting. Try P-47s instead of A-10’s. The 8 .50-Cals can lay down a lot of precise fire. Or try A-4s with 18 AN/M81 frag bombs or SUU ‘lazy dog’ dispensers. Although, they are not very precise. The A-4 also can carry 3 20mm gun pods. The ‘new’ bomb computer makes bombing far easier than with the F-5 or F-86. (am I selling the A-4, yet? 😄)
If you're going provide air support for the French with A-10s, then its only fair that the Vietnamese have SAM systems and MiGs and Sukhois for air support and patrol.
Valued viewer ❤️ gets me every time
huguette is prononce more like" UU get"
Great video Cap.
Wouldn’t it be interesting to compare these videos with what the results would be if you used era appropriate planes.
I’m thinking p47 or p51 planes would be perfect for this sort of CAS, anti infantry, and propeller planes were used in that role. They could get down and up again quite quickly too.
The question is how they compare to modern jets?
I doubt we'd get a single bomb on target, LOTS of skill required to use wwII planes for bombing.
The USAF equipped its first FACs in Korea with AT-6s. One guy to fly the plane and the observer to direct the supporting aircraft in.
GOOD HITS FIRE FOR EFFECT
This video needs some music, something about valkyries might suit.
PMSL. . Friendly fire will result in Cap giving "a good botty smacking".
And he just had to say that as I was taking a drink from my coffee 🤣🤣🤣🤣☝️
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Could a squadron of USAF B-1B bombers have success with daytime bombing raids over Germany during WW2?
The A10 wasn't long in full production not long after the end of the Vietnam war.
if only they took it to full production in the early/mid 60s when it was designed.
Vietnam war ended in 75(?I think) and the A10 was entered into service in 76
Compliments!! Very Realistic Mission
The FAC(A)s need to have a rank order/flight commander. They then organise themselves in pairs. Targets are issued pair by pair for marking smoke. One bird drops smoke while the other watches for ground fire and covers with MG,
The FAC(A) lead then calls the A-10s (who have been holding in a race-track, one by one and calls their fall of shot for the next bird.
Coordination and communication will result in less doubled-up bomb drops and wasted bombs.
The A-10 lead keeps his flight in order and assigns the bomb runs as they're called.
The main problem with these simulations is people paying like it's Counter Strike and racing ahead and disarming the bomb makes you a legend and then your "team" wins. It needs to be more like Rainbow Six where the entire team works together at their jobs so the WHOLE team works.
B-52's carpet-bombing the surrounding hills would have kept AA fire down. A-10's and AC-130's would then have a field day. Bradleys and M1's would also have wrecked any Viet Minh who made it to close range.
A bunch of mates dropping a lota lead.
(My pre-battle thoughts: re the acceptable casualty rate to deem the mission successful; US amphibious assault doctrine of the period planned for a 30 percent loss rate so I would think it prudent to go with your initial thoughts of inflicting closer to 50 percent casualties to win the battle)..... end result? LOL!!! No spoilers for those who read comments before watching. Great vid and performance from all involved!
Awesome video
Hey Cap, is FC3 compulsory in the brand-new Typhoon mod?
I think so
@@grimreapers ok thx
Amazing :D second go with AAA?
Impressive mssion, esp the details of the setup. Too bad the server can't handle a more fulsome simulation, but you did good with what you had. I expect real life casualties would be lower owing not only to AAA, but also men digging fighting positions as they progressed toward the base. The friendly chopper kills show you need to work on your stack and "control" part of fac. Best!
I think I have a pretty simple to answer question. Can the WP rockets kill infantry? Is that modelled? It's not what they are for but WP will injure or kill irl.
neg, it's just smoke in game.
Hello im from vietnam
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Did the Huey at the end give Cap a golden shower?
lol yup
Yes! My covid getting better Cap! please stay safe chums.
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