I got Arrowhead on my Rapid Hit/Headseeker and Polygonal on the second Barrel option, but I would’ve preferred Fluted. I crafted my Disparity with Fluted a few seasons ago and that thing gave me a lot of confidence
And I've been telling myself it's "cope" since my best roll is fluted, ricochet, MT and HS, with a handling MW. It's not "thee" god roll, but I call it my demigod roll. Lol.
@@LittleShySky The dex mods are multipliers. So the higher your base handling, the more effect you get from the dex mods. And I’m pretty sure dex mods and other ones are suuuper buggy right now where they just don’t work at all. Wallah posted a video explaining it.
One of my all time favorite weapons in all of destiny. Absolutely adore the messenger. Nearly lost my mind grinding for my god rolls in trials but was worth it
If you don't have this, I highly recommend Vigilance Wing. It wrecks, and because your teammates drop like flies during normal crucible, you are constantly getting healed.
My very first flawless ever was this weekend. Managed to get richochet/high cal, perpetual and headseeker/desperado with a handling master work. STOKED
100% with you on moving target/headseeker, but didn't manage to get this weekend. My perpetual/ headseeker felt really nice, too, with the bump to handling and stability being pretty free and noticeable. The editor really got me with the laugh away the pain meme😅😅😅
I wasn't able to get an adept, but i got a couple normals from engrams. Ive landed on Perpetual Motion, Headseeker with ricochet and Chambered compensator. A quick access sling to help with ready. I didnt do much but it felt clean for one to just get bearings with. Hopefully a better roll in the future.
I was finally able to hop into this morning for my adept messenger because I was busy all weekend. Got to win 6, and lost twice to a cheater sitting in his spawn shooting me through walls with jotuun lol. Then I ran out of time 😢
I was curious to try it.. I am kind of hesitant to use perks that require kills now a days. SBMM and trials have pushed my weapon rolls to be more about consistency in duels
@@IFrostBolt id honestly give it a try if you have one sitting in your vault. I’m a controller user and I’m using a arrow head break, ricochet, moving target and encore/kill clip roll and it just feels nice. Even if this gun kicks like a mule on controller but ima tell you encore is fantastic with it.
my best adept was perpetual keep away, its actually been incredibly good, the accuracy keep away gives is pretty amazing, when I'm crispy its the most consistent 2 burst kills I've ever had
First time for me to experience The messenger(adept) I am loving it so far I got a perpetual motion/headseeker and helped me to go flawless a second time. My favorite pulse for sure.
You don’t have to go flawless. Adept are only slightly better than regular and this pulse has great stats either way. I’d just grind a card to 7 wins even if you loose and keep playing on that card. That will net you the most amount of xp and let you rank up faster for more engrams. Then just focus those for the messenger.
My personal god roll is high stability with moving target and headseeker (fix the handling with Ophidians). It's super sticky with all that bonus aim assist and the higher stability means that your accuracy cone growth is reduced and your bullets stay on target better making your aim assist more effective!
Moving target is invaluable on this. ESP if not on hunter. Agh frames suffer a lot from strafing and you can’t strafe effectively anyway. Moving target kind of fixes that. You can’t duel standing still anyway.
Messenger was my favorite gun in D1 so when they brought it back in chosen I knew I had to get a god roll. Been using moving target headseeker since then and that was two years ago. I can also switch headseeker for celerity
Great Gameplay Frost! I was trying Moving Target Headseeker and it was decent but when I put my Rapid Hit Kill Clip roll on, it was melting players like butter. Its so nice when you get those chain kills with Kill Clip active and even though I'm on console, Rapid Hit feels much cleaner to use
The base recoil direction on this thing kinda sucks, you either hope to roll Arrowhead Brake, or just use a counter balance mod, which sucks cause I can't use an adept mod in that case.
a little late but i have a moving target head seeker ( very solid) but another roll i got was a rapid hit keep away and it felt so buttery once i got rapid hit proc’d plus the keep away buff + it being adept with all those stat boost. it felt very strong
I got myself a couple god rolls one being headseeker moving target and the other being outlaw headseeker both having range masterwork and both having 100 range
I feel like messenger works just aswell without damage perks, for example a rapid hit or moving target/keep away roll secures very consistent two bursts for me
Almost the same I have but with flared mag and stability mw but I put range mod since the stability goes up to 89 so I hardly notice the weapon direction recoil
Honestly I love it, but the high impact pulse rifles feel like they lack differentiation between all pulse rifle archetype. Lightweights and standard 450s are strong right now. Adaptives are good too, but are in a difficult spot when it comes to ranged engagements of other pulse rifles. A very curious meta that we are in. How oppressive can you be?
I don't even understand what you're saying. Your comment is nonsensical or I am just misunderstanding. Are you implying that high impacts are inferior to the others somehow? Because that's quite literally the opposite of the reality we live in. Lightweights are not strong right now whatsoever. They have a slower ttk, don't peek shot as well, and usually cap out at low to mid 30s (in meters). Aggressive 4 bursts are solid, but are worse at peek shotting and have a slightly slower ttk. Once again, inferior to 340s. 390 adaptives are similarly poor. Slow TTKs without damage perks, and are used by people not confident enough in their primary shot to the extent that they prefer consistency over optimality. 340s are indeed oppressive at all the high levels of crucible
Ggs man. Trials was a complete dumpster fire for me. I got noobish teammates the entire time. Then I had people quitting at the beginning of matches. People just giving up and every team I played seemed to have thee most cracked players. Definitely my worst trials experience I’ve had since starting two years ago man. I’m prolly done even trying at this point. There’s literally zero point. LOL. So frustrating bro.
Fuck dude honestly same......Fucking i swear the latest trials the one of wormhaven was absolute dogshit....Like i had the worst teammates in destiny history and it felt like i was going up against people who were like All star MLG Tournament players who were playing like 20 million is on the line. Easily my worst trials week. Probably the only week ever i just gave up going flawless.
I don’t have a messenger with rapid hit yet, but I need one with keep away and kill clip. Only perks I want for it. Other than that I prefer moving target then perpetual motion. Killing wind keep away would be a great roll to have too got disjunction lol.
the one kill with desperado justified what I thought about the perk. I didn't waste my time, nor yours by continuing to use it. Kill clip has been considered the best option ever since desperado got nerfed. I tried it, out of curiosity. I didn't have the chance to clarify and go into my thoughts more. Hope that makes sense!
I really wanted to make Keep Away work because I have it on my Phyllotactic Spiral, but Headseeker feels much better for dueling and easier kills in Trials or a 3v3 setting.
Went flawless with my old faithful. New Purpose w/ hammer,ricochet, perpetual and desperado. Reload MW + bitterspite let’s me get to desperado fast. I love out dueling people with it because NOBODY uses it
I did as much as I could to go flawless this weekend but I had such a hard time with my teammates this weekend. I could only get the normal one this weekend
Deffo headseaker moving target. If you can hit 70 stability on controller the gun is a laser anyway. Even more so on mnk. Rapid hit is a waste unless decking it out with range which isnt needed. Edit- also run fluted if get the chance it makes it feel so much snapier. 50 handling is the sweetspot on every weapon other then snipers imo
This is the pulse i got this weekend its adept too i play on console do you guys think its a god roll or just close? Chambered compensator / Smallbore Ricochet rounds / Light Mag Rapid hit Headseeker / Kinetic tremors Stability MW
Definitely didn’t get 35 but somewhere between 12-15 adepts for me. Only one dropped with headseeker sadly but it’s first column perk was offhand strike or some other bad perk. Best I could get was moving target and keep away.
Damn now I’m salty that I didn’t farm a roll with moving target. I got a 5/5 rapid hit/head seeker & called it good. Next time it’s around I wannna try that roll
Got 1 roll worth anything. Hammer forged, ricochet, perpetual, and the option of keep away or desperado. With a range masterwork. Keep away feels better than desperado. And it has 90 range even when I put +10 stability mod. I think it’s to much range but unless I’m fighting a graviton, I out gun most other pulses.
You should be outgunning Gravitons, too. It has a higher ttk. I made it a mission to shit on as many Gravitons as possible this weekend... ...I did a damn good job of it. Lol. 1:39 1:41 1:42
Best I got was moving target/ kill clip (or desperado), I got so many rolls but no moving target head seeker 🙃 kill clip is nice but the consistency is a lot better w head seeker rather than kill clip for stuff like trials, great vid as always tho bro
PSA: the thing about messenger is you don’t really need adept for a god roll, as most people will use counter balance anyways. So don’t feel bad anyone who wants to grind messenger. Just focus for a normal one! IE: I’ll take a god roll normal messenger over an identical adept one with a reload MW.
Want an underdog good pulse. Insidious. 2 tappin machine. I have an adept with heating up rampage that melts. I need to get my crafted leveled up. But it’s very good. Pair it with a shotty or immortal. Solid pair
I two tap constantly with it with no damage perks rolling. Won’t disagree that those are better options in terms of stats. Was throwing out a pulse no one uses. Works for me. 🤷🏻♂️
So I got ricc rounds, perp motion and headseeker on my first trials drop, and just looking at the face value its eh. BUT Headseeker is NUTS ingame. Yeah I wouldve preferred moving target in the 3rd column for that juicy aim assist, but I cant be bothered farming trials. But yeah headseeker is the way to go because its one of the few dmg buff perks that doesnt need reloading to proc and I think its better than kill clip and other perks in the 4th column
I have those rolls, but pulse rifles are stationary beasts. These perk combos made more sense to showcase considering the entire archetype of the pulse is about being stationary to get accuracy improvements. I like perpetual on pulse rifle that are more fast paced
@@IFrostBolt that's confusing to me, because why would you recommend moving target if you were using this pulse while stationary? Plus even the slight strafe keeps perpetual motion procced, so I personally prefer it over something like rapid hit where you only get the benefits in the middle of a gunfight
the messenger is the only gun in PvP that i got 1k kills on. it remains one of if not the best pulse rifle in the game, competing with NTTE. head seeker, kill clip, desprado, rapid hit, outlaw. it has it all and it can do it all. this was my first ever adept, i went flawless this weekend on wormhaven for the first time and man was it worth it. i got kinetic tremors and outlaw for PvE and rapid hit and head seeker for PvP. the perks you choose to have on this gun does not matter, whether thats kill clip or desperado, itll melt anyone.
@@Hofey Perpetual Motion is not better than Rapid Hit. Have you even tried RH on a pulse yet? It’s like saying Opening Shot is better than Rangefinder on a HC. Learn your perks better before posting stupidity that isn’t true.
@@ambertellez3044 brother rapid hit only gives more stability after 6 headshots by then with the messenger they are already dead lmao. It’s not stupidity there’s a reason I’ve held top 500 multiple playlist multiple seasons, have a 200+ combat rating and over a 2.0 kd overall
The drop rate for these was horrible worse than any other trials weekend I’ve played. 93 wins throughout the whole weekend after flawless and got 8 drops and none with rapid hit🤦🏻♂️
I hope you know that h3ad seeker and rapid hit aren't and deposdro and rapid hit aren't going to be good soon in the next season because they are making different changes to the sandbox and deposdro is getting nerfed and if sand box changes happen next season good luck having a good messenger next season. If they do this moving target and kill clip will basically be god roll so probably will under over and kinetic tremors and rapid hit and kill clip that's are the only god rolls that will be good next season with the messenger js
@IFrostBolt yes, but what I'm saying for me at least is that more aim assist makes it harder to get the buff to activate, I usually aim for the neck so the next 2 shots will hit the head for an easy 2 tap, but with more aim assist its harder to get that body shot ya know.
@FAUXCUSpd you get a damage buff to headshots after a body shot, so if you land all headshots, you're not getting the damage buff, so why have headseeker at all, that why I'm saying aim assist can hurt you in that way. And that's how it is.
I use an adept stability on mine which brings it to 99 stability, while also having 93 range (41m). Recoil doesn't really matter if the gun doesn't kick.
@@callumbuckby8295 Comes down to preference. I have close to 8k kills amongst my messenger rolls and I hate not having counterbalance, especially considering stability doesn't really matter on the weapon anyways. Not worth running counterbalance imo only if you have arrowhead
theasiancow I completely agree, definitely comes down to preference. I would argue stability is key to the frame of pulse rifle tho as the 2 burst is what makes them so competitive with the 0.67ttk. As well as the more kick you have from having lower stability the more you'll feel the recoil direction.
@@callumbuckby8295 Yeah I suppose. I personally can't tell any meaningful difference between 55 stability and 70. The gun feels really good. That's one of the big reasons I don't understand the obsession with rapid hit. With moving target instead, it doesn't even matter if you have very high stability if the hit box is significantly expanded.
Messenger can no longer get zen moment, so i kept my zen headseeker roll from season of the Chosen. With buffs to both perks it feels incredibly good
Yes bro! I got that and a roll with killing wind and it’s so wild~
I agree, Zen moment on controller feels so right. I had a last perdition with Zen moment and one without zen moment. Day and night difference.
Handling is the secret sauce on this Pulse.
I got Arrowhead on my Rapid Hit/Headseeker and Polygonal on the second Barrel option, but I would’ve preferred Fluted. I crafted my Disparity with Fluted a few seasons ago and that thing gave me a lot of confidence
And I've been telling myself it's "cope" since my best roll is fluted, ricochet, MT and HS, with a handling MW.
It's not "thee" god roll, but I call it my demigod roll. Lol.
You don't need handling. You can use dex mods and get similar results. If not, better. I'd recommend range or stability instead.
@@LittleShySky The dex mods are multipliers. So the higher your base handling, the more effect you get from the dex mods. And I’m pretty sure dex mods and other ones are suuuper buggy right now where they just don’t work at all. Wallah posted a video explaining it.
@MegaBeanHead0 Dex mods work fine for me. Also, dex mods are a guaranteed +25 handling for each dexterity mod, iirc.
6:53 both the "Bonk" and the wait x5 had me on the floor 🤣(thanks for the complement though, I never hear them because I rag on myself all the time)
One of my all time favorite weapons in all of destiny. Absolutely adore the messenger. Nearly lost my mind grinding for my god rolls in trials but was worth it
If you don't have this, I highly recommend Vigilance Wing. It wrecks, and because your teammates drop like flies during normal crucible, you are constantly getting healed.
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My very first flawless ever was this weekend. Managed to get richochet/high cal, perpetual and headseeker/desperado with a handling master work. STOKED
100% with you on moving target/headseeker, but didn't manage to get this weekend. My perpetual/ headseeker felt really nice, too, with the bump to handling and stability being pretty free and noticeable.
The editor really got me with the laugh away the pain meme😅😅😅
PSA: you don’t wanna suffer in trials, get Disparity (if u have the pattern even better) it can roll with rapid hit and headseeker too
Hands down love disparity more
Got ricochet, perpetual, headseeker/kill clip on mine. I also got a rapid hit and kill clip roll. They feel great to use.
I love my old zen moment head seeker roll I kept from back when it first came out
I wasn't able to get an adept, but i got a couple normals from engrams. Ive landed on Perpetual Motion, Headseeker with ricochet and Chambered compensator. A quick access sling to help with ready.
I didnt do much but it felt clean for one to just get bearings with. Hopefully a better roll in the future.
I would definitely try counter balance stock out. It would make the recoil direction more vertical.
I was finally able to hop into this morning for my adept messenger because I was busy all weekend. Got to win 6, and lost twice to a cheater sitting in his spawn shooting me through walls with jotuun lol. Then I ran out of time 😢
Hurts.
Gives Parthian shot vibes from d1. It was the vanguard pulse from rise of iron and it was a 2 burst monster.
Honestly I’d recommend encore as well. I know it’s not the best but when you get that first kill you feel the accuracy, stability and range.
Yeh bro I have an encore desperado roll. It’s so nasty at 4x encore almost like aimbot.
I was curious to try it.. I am kind of hesitant to use perks that require kills now a days. SBMM and trials have pushed my weapon rolls to be more about consistency in duels
@@IFrostBolt id honestly give it a try if you have one sitting in your vault. I’m a controller user and I’m using a arrow head break, ricochet, moving target and encore/kill clip roll and it just feels nice. Even if this gun kicks like a mule on controller but ima tell you encore is fantastic with it.
@@zackxfrostyyUh, what? You're straight up lying. Encore and Desperado are in the same column 😂
Rapid hit and keep away is my roll and its just so consistent. Its like encore but without the kill requirement to use it
the perk selection on the first roll is EXACTLY what i have on a roll that was available in WQ before being out away then coming back
my best adept was perpetual keep away, its actually been incredibly good, the accuracy keep away gives is pretty amazing, when I'm crispy its the most consistent 2 burst kills I've ever had
First time for me to experience The messenger(adept) I am loving it so far I got a perpetual motion/headseeker and helped me to go flawless a second time. My favorite pulse for sure.
I love vicariously through these kinds of videos because I have never been flawless in trials and will never be able to attain these weapons lol
You don’t have to go flawless. Adept are only slightly better than regular and this pulse has great stats either way. I’d just grind a card to 7 wins even if you loose and keep playing on that card. That will net you the most amount of xp and let you rank up faster for more engrams. Then just focus those for the messenger.
My personal god roll is high stability with moving target and headseeker (fix the handling with Ophidians). It's super sticky with all that bonus aim assist and the higher stability means that your accuracy cone growth is reduced and your bullets stay on target better making your aim assist more effective!
1:43 gotta love that polegal rifling…
Moving target is invaluable on this. ESP if not on hunter. Agh frames suffer a lot from strafing and you can’t strafe effectively anyway. Moving target kind of fixes that. You can’t duel standing still anyway.
Arrowhead/flaredmag/rapid hit/head seeker/handling mw - adept handling. Feels crispy.
Messenger was my favorite gun in D1 so when they brought it back in chosen I knew I had to get a god roll. Been using moving target headseeker since then and that was two years ago. I can also switch headseeker for celerity
Perpetual motion really surprised me over rapid hit, worked better on my hunter. Handling really helps
Great Gameplay Frost! I was trying Moving Target Headseeker and it was decent but when I put my Rapid Hit Kill Clip roll on, it was melting players like butter. Its so nice when you get those chain kills with Kill Clip active and even though I'm on console, Rapid Hit feels much cleaner to use
The base recoil direction on this thing kinda sucks, you either hope to roll Arrowhead Brake, or just use a counter balance mod, which sucks cause I can't use an adept mod in that case.
Adept counterbalance gives 35 recoil direction and puts it at 95 but you lose 10 range
a little late but i have a moving target head seeker ( very solid) but another roll i got was a rapid hit keep away and it felt so buttery once i got rapid hit proc’d plus the keep away buff + it being adept with all those stat boost. it felt very strong
I got myself a couple god rolls one being headseeker moving target and the other being outlaw headseeker both having range masterwork and both having 100 range
I feel like messenger works just aswell without damage perks, for example a rapid hit or moving target/keep away roll secures very consistent two bursts for me
Hammer-Forged, Armor-Pierce rounds, Per-motion, Headseeker, with a Range masterwork (adept counterbalanced mod)
Almost the same I have but with flared mag and stability mw but I put range mod since the stability goes up to 89 so I hardly notice the weapon direction recoil
Armor piercing made that roll useless but still a 4/5 roll
Honestly I love it, but the high impact pulse rifles feel like they lack differentiation between all pulse rifle archetype. Lightweights and standard 450s are strong right now. Adaptives are good too, but are in a difficult spot when it comes to ranged engagements of other pulse rifles. A very curious meta that we are in. How oppressive can you be?
Disparity walks in the room...🤔
Differentiation ? That's the process of showing difference. The word you were looking for is differentiate. Go back to school kids.
Lol
I'm having war like flashbacks to the claws of the wolf meta back in the day lol
I don't even understand what you're saying. Your comment is nonsensical or I am just misunderstanding. Are you implying that high impacts are inferior to the others somehow? Because that's quite literally the opposite of the reality we live in.
Lightweights are not strong right now whatsoever. They have a slower ttk, don't peek shot as well, and usually cap out at low to mid 30s (in meters).
Aggressive 4 bursts are solid, but are worse at peek shotting and have a slightly slower ttk. Once again, inferior to 340s.
390 adaptives are similarly poor. Slow TTKs without damage perks, and are used by people not confident enough in their primary shot to the extent that they prefer consistency over optimality.
340s are indeed oppressive at all the high levels of crucible
Busted out my old Messenger with Rapid hit/KC and got a we ran :) definitely one of my favorite pvp weapons
Ggs man. Trials was a complete dumpster fire for me. I got noobish teammates the entire time. Then I had people quitting at the beginning of matches. People just giving up and every team I played seemed to have thee most cracked players. Definitely my worst trials experience I’ve had since starting two years ago man. I’m prolly done even trying at this point. There’s literally zero point. LOL. So frustrating bro.
Fuck dude honestly same......Fucking i swear the latest trials the one of wormhaven was absolute dogshit....Like i had the worst teammates in destiny history and it felt like i was going up against people who were like All star MLG Tournament players who were playing like 20 million is on the line. Easily my worst trials week. Probably the only week ever i just gave up going flawless.
@@colonelace2901 skill issue
Mine was so close I got Outlaw instead of rapid hit but I did get headseeker and desperado on the same column
I got rapid hit and a choice between Headseeker and Keep Away, Hammer Forged, Ricochet or High Cal rounds with a stability masterwork, I’ll take it.
I don’t have a messenger with rapid hit yet, but I need one with keep away and kill clip. Only perks I want for it. Other than that I prefer moving target then perpetual motion. Killing wind keep away would be a great roll to have too got disjunction lol.
Bruh... Frostbolt literally got 1 desperado proc and that was the entirety of his review.
the one kill with desperado justified what I thought about the perk. I didn't waste my time, nor yours by continuing to use it. Kill clip has been considered the best option ever since desperado got nerfed. I tried it, out of curiosity. I didn't have the chance to clarify and go into my thoughts more. Hope that makes sense!
I really wanted to make Keep Away work because I have it on my Phyllotactic Spiral, but Headseeker feels much better for dueling and easier kills in Trials or a 3v3 setting.
True but It won't feel good because of the sandbox changes so it'll change alot of rolls next season js
Went flawless with my old faithful. New Purpose w/ hammer,ricochet, perpetual and desperado. Reload MW + bitterspite let’s me get to desperado fast. I love out dueling people with it because NOBODY uses it
I got arrowhead ricochet perpetual motion headseeker which is so good for 3v3 and my second perk if desperado which is brilliant for 6v6
Grinded my ass off this weekend just to not even once get a headseeker Messenger. Feels bad man
The roll I got on my Messager Adept has Outlaw & Headseeker. Me personally, I like it
I have a zen moment headseeker roll and for the longest time I thought it was bad but know its one of the best guns I have.
I did as much as I could to go flawless this weekend but I had such a hard time with my teammates this weekend. I could only get the normal one this weekend
Duo queuing is what I do when I can’t seem to solo it. It ensures that you have at least 1 good teammate, so you aren’t solo carrying 2 bots.
Deffo headseaker moving target. If you can hit 70 stability on controller the gun is a laser anyway. Even more so on mnk. Rapid hit is a waste unless decking it out with range which isnt needed. Edit- also run fluted if get the chance it makes it feel so much snapier. 50 handling is the sweetspot on every weapon other then snipers imo
This is the pulse i got this weekend its adept too i play on console do you guys think its a god roll or just close?
Chambered compensator / Smallbore
Ricochet rounds / Light Mag
Rapid hit
Headseeker / Kinetic tremors
Stability MW
I got 35 adept messengers this weekend but not that many good headseeker rolls 😢
RIP I'd delete d2 over that
Definitely didn’t get 35 but somewhere between 12-15 adepts for me. Only one dropped with headseeker sadly but it’s first column perk was offhand strike or some other bad perk. Best I could get was moving target and keep away.
Damn now I’m salty that I didn’t farm a roll with moving target. I got a 5/5 rapid hit/head seeker & called it good. Next time it’s around I wannna try that roll
I was using this godroll ever since I got the adept messenger before the origin traits.
Got 1 roll worth anything. Hammer forged, ricochet, perpetual, and the option of keep away or desperado. With a range masterwork. Keep away feels better than desperado. And it has 90 range even when I put +10 stability mod. I think it’s to much range but unless I’m fighting a graviton, I out gun most other pulses.
You should be outgunning Gravitons, too. It has a higher ttk. I made it a mission to shit on as many Gravitons as possible this weekend...
...I did a damn good job of it. Lol. 1:39 1:41 1:42
Best I got was moving target/ kill clip (or desperado), I got so many rolls but no moving target head seeker 🙃 kill clip is nice but the consistency is a lot better w head seeker rather than kill clip for stuff like trials, great vid as always tho bro
Got about 20 Messengers, only ONE had headseeker and ZERO had rapid hit.
PSA: the thing about messenger is you don’t really need adept for a god roll, as most people will use counter balance anyways.
So don’t feel bad anyone who wants to grind messenger. Just focus for a normal one!
IE: I’ll take a god roll normal messenger over an identical adept one with a reload MW.
Nice change to see a streamer actually give a shit about capturing zones. 👏
Top notch editing
I have a Heating Up/Headseeker roll from Witch Queen that I really like 👍🏼
Want an underdog good pulse. Insidious. 2 tappin machine. I have an adept with heating up rampage that melts. I need to get my crafted leveled up. But it’s very good. Pair it with a shotty or immortal. Solid pair
Disparity and Phyllotactic are better in every way. Insidious is ass
Insidious just has too low of handling and a clunky obstructive scope on it for me.
I two tap constantly with it with no damage perks rolling. Won’t disagree that those are better options in terms of stats. Was throwing out a pulse no one uses. Works for me. 🤷🏻♂️
So I got ricc rounds, perp motion and headseeker on my first trials drop, and just looking at the face value its eh.
BUT
Headseeker is NUTS ingame. Yeah I wouldve preferred moving target in the 3rd column for that juicy aim assist, but I cant be bothered farming trials. But yeah headseeker is the way to go because its one of the few dmg buff perks that doesnt need reloading to proc and I think its better than kill clip and other perks in the 4th column
Alter of flame is built for messenger or is it the other way round
Polikal rifling is my favorite barrel
Wsp frosty the snowman🤘🥶🤘
Perpetual headseeker!
Rapid hit feels really good on console 🔥💯👌🏻
We need that one dudes minion drip asap
Not a single perpetual motion role? Interesting. I think it’s best in slot.
I have those rolls, but pulse rifles are stationary beasts. These perk combos made more sense to showcase considering the entire archetype of the pulse is about being stationary to get accuracy improvements. I like perpetual on pulse rifle that are more fast paced
Perfect explanation! Makes all the sense
@@IFrostBolt that's confusing to me, because why would you recommend moving target if you were using this pulse while stationary? Plus even the slight strafe keeps perpetual motion procced, so I personally prefer it over something like rapid hit where you only get the benefits in the middle of a gunfight
@@IFrostBolt makes sense logically. Maybe it’s just different play styles. But I see what you mean with the high impact intrinsic trait.
If you vet a Discord Harmony roll id keep it as well. Very nice synergy and works well with a fusion or shotty
Does recoil direction matters more on messenger or range?
Recoil direction. 74 range puts you at 39.9m, which is more than enough for almost every D2 scenario.
I've got that roll on the older version 😁
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The best roll is the old messenger with zen and celerity on it.
the messenger is the only gun in PvP that i got 1k kills on. it remains one of if not the best pulse rifle in the game, competing with NTTE.
head seeker, kill clip, desprado, rapid hit, outlaw. it has it all and it can do it all. this was my first ever adept, i went flawless this weekend on wormhaven for the first time and man was it worth it. i got kinetic tremors and outlaw for PvE and rapid hit and head seeker for PvP.
the perks you choose to have on this gun does not matter, whether thats kill clip or desperado, itll melt anyone.
Congrats on your flawless. Solo queue?
@@wethepeople8280 yeah. Also to clarify it's not my first ever adept but my first flawless adept. The matches are tense though.
I got the 5/5 on my first run this week🎉
i got matched against frostbolt in quickplay and i said hellll nah. yup. it was frostbolt.
My rapid hit keep away is my baby.
You playing on controller it looks slow how you aim and flick wich sens are you playing and dpi when you play with mice
My roll on the messenger adept has 76 handling and I wouldn’t trade it for anything.
A counterbalance mod is enuf of a difference to recoil control
laugh away the pain.mp3 lol
I think... no.. I know I died to Toes's wards and knockout more then frost and everyone else on his team... :(
3:46 😂😂😂😂
Perpetual motion is way better than rapid hit. Max stacks of rapid hit has only 5 more stability than perpetual motion x2.
No.
@@ambertellez3044 no what? First sentence is an opinion. 2nd sentence is fact so no to what?
@@Hofey Perpetual Motion is not better than Rapid Hit. Have you even tried RH on a pulse yet? It’s like saying Opening Shot is better than Rangefinder on a HC. Learn your perks better before posting stupidity that isn’t true.
@@ambertellez3044 brother rapid hit only gives more stability after 6 headshots by then with the messenger they are already dead lmao. It’s not stupidity there’s a reason I’ve held top 500 multiple playlist multiple seasons, have a 200+ combat rating and over a 2.0 kd overall
@@ambertellez3044 I promise you that you could play 1000s of games and not get a 200+ combat rating
i have a rapid hit kill clip roll i never use.
The drop rate for these was horrible worse than any other trials weekend I’ve played. 93 wins throughout the whole weekend after flawless and got 8 drops and none with rapid hit🤦🏻♂️
aki momento
Fucking nutty shotty streak 😮😮😮😮
Disparity walks in the room..🤔
W vid as always frost
Bro the vid is 11mins long and it came out 2 mins ago. You haven't watched it yet lmao 💀
I didn’t need to that was the point.
Watching it rn too it’s dope ( as predicted)
@gabrielroussel9502 yeah true, Saywallahbruh and IFrostBolt are my two favourite pvp content creators. Actually make the crucible look fun
Nice.
alot of 3 burst to get your kills tho
Used to have it back in the day and I loved it but I'm tired of this grinding for shit rolls.
Rapid hit is overrated Killing wind is underrated. People abuse the range with pulses, they can compete up close as well really well
Ah yes. The best guns in the hands of only the best players.
I remember why I stopped playing this awful trash Eververse game.
❤
I hope you know that h3ad seeker and rapid hit aren't and deposdro and rapid hit aren't going to be good soon in the next season because they are making different changes to the sandbox and deposdro is getting nerfed and if sand box changes happen next season good luck having a good messenger next season. If they do this moving target and kill clip will basically be god roll so probably will under over and kinetic tremors and rapid hit and kill clip that's are the only god rolls that will be good next season with the messenger js
mannnnn trials sucked i could not get this pulse rifle for the life of me.
More aim assist hurts head seeker especially on roller
headseeker got buffed to literally give you more aim assist
@IFrostBolt yes, but what I'm saying for me at least is that more aim assist makes it harder to get the buff to activate, I usually aim for the neck so the next 2 shots will hit the head for an easy 2 tap, but with more aim assist its harder to get that body shot ya know.
@@trikotine358yeah but if you’re already hitting headshots anyway why do you need headseeker to proc?
@FAUXCUSpd you get a damage buff to headshots after a body shot, so if you land all headshots, you're not getting the damage buff, so why have headseeker at all, that why I'm saying aim assist can hurt you in that way. And that's how it is.
Stiill love my godroll immortal adept better
using adept range instead of counterbalance on a 60 recoil direction weapon is pure crackhead activity. Makes 0 sense.
Nvm, on PC guess it's easy to control
I use an adept stability on mine which brings it to 99 stability, while also having 93 range (41m). Recoil doesn't really matter if the gun doesn't kick.
@@callumbuckby8295 Comes down to preference. I have close to 8k kills amongst my messenger rolls and I hate not having counterbalance, especially considering stability doesn't really matter on the weapon anyways.
Not worth running counterbalance imo only if you have arrowhead
theasiancow I completely agree, definitely comes down to preference. I would argue stability is key to the frame of pulse rifle tho as the 2 burst is what makes them so competitive with the 0.67ttk. As well as the more kick you have from having lower stability the more you'll feel the recoil direction.
@@callumbuckby8295 Yeah I suppose. I personally can't tell any meaningful difference between 55 stability and 70. The gun feels really good.
That's one of the big reasons I don't understand the obsession with rapid hit. With moving target instead, it doesn't even matter if you have very high stability if the hit box is significantly expanded.
Why private matches! Would rather see some public stomping!
Nah I need handling on this fckng gun it’s too slow
I hear ya. That's why archetype's are a thing. I usually prefer to use adaptive frames for fun, because they allow you to move more aggressively