Mastering The Darkside: Understanding The Sith Code
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 ส.ค. 2024
- My essay into why I think that the Philosophy of the Sith Order parallels to modern day Conservatism.
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To be a SITH is to be yourself and to never apologize.
You damn right
The difference between a Sith Lord and a Dark Jedi is a little bit different than what you state. A Sith Lord is trained by a Sith Master. (This was true even before the Rule of Two Sith). A dark Jedi comes to the Dark Side on their own. There are also practitioners of the dark side that are neither (The Nightsisters).
TH-cam comment system really sucks. But I'll answer your other comment here. You bring up a good point with the whole Dark Side Corruption angle. However you have to remember that there were plenty of Sith who did not suffer from Dark Side Degeneracy. Count Dooku, Darth Zana and Darth Maul just off the top of my head, yet all were extremely powerful Sith Lords. Even Sidious himself, before his battle with Mace Windu, showed no signs of Dark Side Degeneracy.
I agree
@@penaltyofdeathproductions5804 Dark Side Degeneracy is a thing made up to make it look worse imo
I agree
By that standard a dark Jedi would still be in line with the ideology of the Jedi which is the premise in question.
The argument than isn't are they dark Jedi, but do these tyrannical Sith Lord qualify as Sith given they have deviated from Sith fundamentals.
In fact the question is effectively the same as Protestants and Catholics debating which side are the real Christians.
If you take the subjectivist and often liberal ideology that that are all Sith, just as a Jedi and tyrannical Sith Lords would, than there is no such thing as Sith and you are taking the same liberal philosophy as the tyrannical Sith Lords and Jedi which proves the original point.
If you take an objectivist, and by extension conservative view, than you could still argue either way but you are actively denying the liberal ideology that both the tyrannical Sith Lords and Jedi hold.
Furthermore, to paraphrase one of my favorite Sith in all of Star wars and the Jedi she was debating with,
the Sith code requires the pursuit of greater power not the usurpation of the master. That she became more powerful following than she ever could have otherwise been. If one is truly powerful than authority comes naturally.
Not only is this conservative but it spits in the face of tyranny. It isn't about you being able to call that shots but you being what you are best suited to be for the greater good and long term stability of the empire.
It is inherently a meritocratic hierarchy, which when pair with restraint, wisdom, and avoiding tyranny actually is both stable and successful.
Every faction that wins in Star wars becomes this restrained free and powerful yet passionate ideal. Even when Anakin fights Dooku, the first time he is neither Jedi like nor sith like. Dooku mops the floor with Anakin. When they fight every other time, when Anakin is a proper Jedi he loses and when he is a proper sith he wins. But even when he faced Dooku the last time, Anakin was restrained. He had to be talked into taking Dooku's life by a liberal tyrant who instituted multiple aspects of a socialist regime when he took power. A liberal tyrant who took power by popular vote like a very specific angry mustached socialist who the emperor is based on.
Luke did exactly the same thing, infact it was Luke restraint and following of dark side principles that allows him to best his own father, free his own father from his sins, and dethrone the liberal tyrant.
Reinstituting a Republic and removing his new order of Jedi from politics completely but not ignoring the need to step in and fight off tyranny.
In fact the best argument to make against this position is that conservativism has always had a militant position of protecting the weak from tyranny foreign and domestic.
Traditionalism itself and militarizes designed to win and defend against any opponent. Sparta being a great example, as their philosophy was that her walls were her young men and their borders the ends of their spears. Sparta is also one of the primary influence on the American legal system as Athens was a pure democracy and a tyrannical one at that and like native American tribes that had two chiefs, one for war and one for peace, Sparta had two kings who competed and were deliberately kept as checks on each others power, Sounds very Sith like. Almost like a Sith to have the power and another to use it.
But even acknowledging this standard which Sith followed the rule of two and which one break it, which Sith protected people they loved and which ones used them for meat shields.
Raven, Ajunta Paul, Vader, Starkiller, Marr, all protected what they loved. Vader did the worst Job by far but ultimately they all have multiple examples of behaving this way, most particed both the light and dark side and all were minimally tyrants or not wholly responsible for the tyranny that happened while they were in power.
Sidius, Malak, Vitiate, Exar Kun, most of Ajuntas cohorts, and a long list of others all wanted total dominance and sacrificed family or loved ones willingly to achieve their supremacy which they used to abuse others.
In short the Sith who were more conservative in protecting what they value even if it is weak were not tyrants ordinarily. Vader is often a questionable example here, but those who literally sacrificed the ones a conservative would seek to protect were tyrants full stop.
Dooku is actually a perfect example of a dark Jedi. He gained significant power and even bested Obi wan and Anakin when he was acting as a proper Sith and lost when he was not.
He was actually motivated by an almost conservative value. The protection of the Republic by purifying it. He was tainted by both Sidiius and the Jedi make him too collectivistic and liberal minded to be a conservative but he was also not a total tyrant. He actively prevented organics from serving in the CIS military to preserve life that served better to pay taxes to feed the war machine.
He was not a perfect Sith or Jedi, and was neither wholly conservative nor liberal. He was all the weaker for it but he was no the monster either the Jedi or or his sith master were.
I am Darth Revan, Dark Lord of the Sith. Those who use the dark side are also bound to serve it. To understand this is to understand the underlying philosophy of the Sith. The dark side offers power for power's sake. You must crave it. Covet it. You must seek power above all else, with no reservation or hesitation. The Force will change you. It will transform you. Some fear this change. The teachings of the Jedi are focused on fighting and controlling this transformation. That is why those who serve the light are limited in what they accomplish. True power can come only to those who embrace the transformation. There can be no compromise. Mercy, compassion, loyalty: all these things will prevent you from claiming what is rightfully yours. Those who follow the dark side must cast aside these conceits. Those who do not-those who try to walk the path of moderation-will fail, dragged down by their own weakness. Those who accept the power of the dark side must also accept the challenge of holding on to it. By its very nature the dark side invites rivalry and strife. This is the greatest strength of the Sith: it culls the weak from our order. Yet this rivalry can also be our greatest weakness. The strong must be careful lest they be overwhelmed by the ambitions of those working beneath them in concert. Any master who instructs more than one apprentice in the ways of the dark side is a fool. In time, the apprentices will unite their strength and overthrow the master. It is inevitable. Axiomatic. That is why each Master must have only one student. This is also the reason there can only be one Dark Lord. The Sith must be ruled by a single leader: the very embodiment of the strength and power of the dark side. If the leader grows weak another must rise to seize the mantle. The strong rule; the weak are meant to serve. This is the way it must be. My time here is ended. Take what I have taught you and use it well.
Yes, I agree, there are some comparisons between Sith and conservatives; but there are differences as well. Conservatives worship capitalism as a system. They also view work as a religion and look down on people who don't work. A Sith would not love or hate capitalism but just use it as one more tool. A Sith would never do work out of some obligation. They would have to see gain in it. A Sith being a working stiff all their life to collect some crappy paycheck is not something they would do. They are big game hunters not cogs in the wheel of some employer.
In relation to the Mind Trick, the Sith have their own variation despite being able to use Mind Trick as well. It is called Mind Twist. Compulsion vs Command essentially. Mind Twist can implant commands, emotions, sensations, or even false memories into a target. This leaves them in the palm of the user's hand. You can make someone believe they are on fire to the point where they actually burn up. You can even leave the person aware that you are controlling them for your own amusement.
Thanks for the info! Appreciate you watching!
We don't lack discipline I can assure you... have you ever fought four B-2 battle droids with a saber staff and killed them all with one strike? Nah neither have I 😂😂😂
Hey jokes aside this was really well explained dude.
Well done, I'm impressed with the research you done on all this
Thanks a lot man, I appreciate that, thanks for watching! Be sure to share the video too!
You forget that the entire statement was spoken to someone looking to keep one they loved alive. It was manipulation and thus we can't assume any of it was true. Now yes the Sith are not overtly evil, and what they believe is from a predators natural viewpoint, however this doesn't go to paint them as good either. This leaves the judgement of good or evil on cultural differences. It gets deep. But I like that you touched on attachments and other things.
Thanks so much for watching.
The jedi manipulate even more. "Don't feel. Do what we tell you. Dark side is bad, mmmkay."
Everyone is manipulating in other words. The sith do it in a more "let idiots assume" way. The jedi however are paving the road to hell with good intentions.
Good and Evil, IS always, and always WILL BE generally judged based upon cultural normatives. Real life has far more morally Grey areas in it, then it does Black and White.
Don't forget, a True Sith was a species, not just a point of view
Arguing about the Jedi and Sith for a better vernacular, is like arguing about the Vulcans and Romulans in Star Trek.
For starters the Sith and Jedi both draw upon the Force. A great energy found and binds in all things.
Just like the Vulcans and Romulans while distinctly different in philosophy? Draw from the same ancestry.
One is driven by both logic and higher rationality. Jedi focused outward upon the greater balance of the universe. Vulcans relying on science, enlightenment, philosophy to solve and deal with problems.
The other is passion, deception, intrigue, and sabotage to survive. Freewill, personal ambition as well with manipulating those to achieve personal or greater gain as a whole. The Sith do this through the Dark Side of the Force, and a bit of manipulative know how in shadow to succeed. The Romulans on the other hand use their emotions, charisma, cunning, to establish contacts, networks, and operate through agents to achieve their goals.
Whoever thought there would be parallels between space wizards, and space elves.
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Your right 😆. Thanks for watching.
@@penaltyofdeathproductions5804 Your welcome!
Working on a Star Wars fan fiction of a Sith Master, and Apprentice.
The master is more of Thulsa Doom, and the Apprentice is Conan. Sword and Sorcerer, Arcane and Assault. The big difference is more of a father/son arch within the order relationship. The father seeks to mold and shape the son in such an authoritarian spartan like manner. The son seeks approval, acceptance, and to excel beyond expectation. In the end the master dies like Thulsa, but with pride and satisfaction.
@@timothyhenegar7484 Sounds awesome!
@@penaltyofdeathproductions5804 The strange irony, in some Pagan practices, chaos/order are parallels of the natural cycle, and also the cosmic cycle. It is understanding the Word, Wyrd/fate, intent, all mean in putting power behind your words and your actions.
Now you might ask, can someone learn this power and level of thinking?
Not from a Christian point of view.
Yes I am Norse Pagan, and Conservative.
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The thing is vulcans have mental beakdowns for not allowing themselves to feel.
Those that don't let themselves feel are living a lie. They remain weak. The very fact the vulcan home planet got destroyed proves this as well. Just like how the jedi did. Hardly your best argument.
Sith are not even remotely like Romulans. They're more direct then that. Romulans are more like Russia in the cold war. Direct enough to put on a show, but also having a good secret service. Sith prefer not to hide if they can help it. Shows more courage and strength. They might let you assume though. And you'll defeat yourself that way. Pretty sure it's intended that way.
The Sith don’t use the “gentle” Jedi mind trick. Their version, Mind Domination, is absolutely brutal and the victim pretty much becomes a flesh puppet.
BTW my opinion is that Dark Jedi are Jedi who turned more or less completely to the dark while Sith are dark side users who adopt the philosophy and the ways of the Sith. I’d say that while Dark Jedi would be a very mixed bag the Sith are very consistent in their goals and their quest for power. Dark Jedi would be former Jedi while Sith could have any origin.
I tend to be mostly conservative in my politics, and I do not take offense about the comment. Learning to be self sufficient is not a bad thing. The problem is that the sith allow their emotions to eventually be their undoing. You are right in that people need to learn how to be self sufficient but we also have compassion for others.
I agree with the emotions thing. But many I tend to think that the reason most Sith fail is not due to their emotions but their arrogance and over confidence. Think of Sidious, he fell not because he was over emotional, but because he got complacent. He thought he was invincible and let his guard down when it came to Vader. Complacency does indeed kill.
The truth is that all of us who love the dark side have some personal problems.
You never have to kill anyone as a Sith lord. But the Jedi can rack up the body count. To each there own.
Except the closest thing to a well-socialized Sith we have is a cutthroat businessman who wielded Force-specters fueled by a sapient being somewhere in the galaxy. A sapient being who *fell over dead* if the specter attached to them was dispersed.
Use of the Dark Side is much like communism in one specific respect. It seems like it could work out great for the practitioner…..on paper.
In reality, the *vast* majority of Force Sensitives who more than brush up against the Dark Side end up murderers with either zero impulse control, or an utterly amoral worldview that makes scorching dozens of life-bearing planets out of pure *spite* seem a reasonable course of action.
Say what you want about the Jedi, none of them ever extinguished all life on a planet without having Turned/Fallen first.
@@shawnpanzegraf5642 tell that to the Sith species that the jedi helped the old republic exterminate during the great hyperspace war.
they put an entire spacefaring interstellar civilization to the sword.
every last man , woman & child on those worlds.
The only difference between the jedi and the sith is that the sith don't pretend. That's why Anakin says the jedi are evil. Because they're hypocrites. Luke and Yoda are excepetions to this. They both accept their dark side instead of fighting it. Yoda's is shown in the clone wars show.
If all you do is go "Black and white" then you're still learning.
I agree, lol
I find this dissertation carries some weird biases.
Hey thanks for watching!
Nice video. Anyway, Sith lack discipline? What do you mean?There's many occasions where they stay in hiding for years and decades and only working from the shadows.
Your right, as I said, there's always exceptions. The Emperor was very disciplined in some aspects. But there are many examples of Sith Lords being very impulsive, Vader is a good example. Padme's death was preventable had he only acted more rational. He gained more patience as time went on, but in the beginning, he lacked serious discipline.
@@penaltyofdeathproductions5804 You must admit that Vader at that time was a "newly minted" Sith, with the zeal of a convert to the cause. He had been a Jedi for years prior to this.
A better example of a Sith with patience would be Emperor Vitiate.
@@shaydowsith348 A better example of discipline would be Marr. Vitiate, for all of his long planning, was truly unhinged in a variety of ways and did things that made absolutely no sense in the long run.
Ultimately how disciplined you are as a Sith lord is entirely dependent on your own moral fiber. The code doesn't prescribe discipline at all. Rather encouraging that you embrace emotional turmoil to explore its effects and make yourself stronger, but not at the expense of your own, personal goals.
The code is, at its core, three things: a refutation of Jedi dogma in its acknowledgement that emotions are natural and a part of what makes life worth living, a statement that testing one's limits is the only way to better yourself in the long term, and a reminder that power, regardless of its form, should serve a purpose.
I'd say the weakness of the Sith is less that they lack discipline and more that many lose sight of their purpose for pursuing power in the first place. Instead pursuing power for power's sake. Which is not what the code preaches, and "power's" place in the code makes that fairly evident. It is not "through strength I gain power, I shall rule over all," power is merely a means to achieving "victory" over circumstance (whatever that may be) and leveraging that victory in turn to become a freer being.
Darth Baras is an interesting example of a Sith who thinks that power is an ultimate pursuit, and you could also make a case for Malgus falling down this same path when he killed his wife to prune weakness. If power does not exist to protect what you value, then it is useless.
Even the first two lines of the code leads into the intended message here.
"Peace is a lie, there is only passion. Through passion I gain strength." This isn't necessarily literal (though with the force, it can be interpreted as such), but a point that passions are tied to worthy pursuits and can be used to fortify one's resolve. When you have a goal you are passionate about, you will be better equipped and more determined to achieve it. In order to do so, you seek the power necessary, which makes achieving victory possible and at the same time increasing your ability to meet the next challenge head on.
@@penaltyofdeathproductions5804 Except he wasn't Vader at the time. He wasn't a sith yet. Plus name me one person that isn't stupid when they're younger.
they are fueled by strong emotions, which takes away the need for discipline. the jedi need to rely mostly on discipline, because they try to let go of emotions.
The thing is, all these philosophies didn't come until they started to expand Star wars after the first three movies. It was simply good guy versus bad guy. I'm not surprised that later on they tried to make the sith look like good guys or at the very least just misunderstood.
Y'all know Revan redeemed himself in the end 😂
Vader as well!
i think their are probably 3 main branches of sith
1. the civilization sith such as the ancient sith who i would say practiced the best incarnation of the sith given how successful they were for thousands of years and were probably the most stable and cooperative incarnation possibly due to the original sith pure blood culture and/or genes most had which may have helped them cope with the chaotic influence of the darkside better given like i said they weren't nearly as chaotic as later versions tended to be otherwise they couldn't form and maintain civilizations for so long. i also think they saw the darkside both as a tool of combat but also something to aid in survival and similar possibly outlook differences compared to some others.
2. the hmm sith cultists? the ro2, darth brotherhood or the ro1 sith. smaller scale i also suspect they didn't practice many of the true sith traditons and were more darksiders who took the name sith but had little relation to the original sith other then studying them for their knowledge of the darkside (well other then the brotherhood which is one reason they were the weakest "sith"). and because of this least some like the dark brotherhood didn't have the same unity as the civ type sith, as well as treated the darkside more as a tool of destruction then a tool for survival so often preferred the more flashy, reckless and destructive aspects of the darkside one reason why it seems to me at least they were actually less skilled with it for example most had trouble learning force healing abilities, alchemy etc compared to the civ type sith overall.
3. dark jedi. fallen jedi who tended to be exceptionally unstable probably the most unstable of any of the groups if consider they often become just machines of slaughter and such and burn out extremely fast. i also think this trait that tends to pop up among dark jedi is probably in part due to the flawed beliefs of the jedi which causes dark jedi to follow patterns being worse then your typical darksiders unknowingly just behaving what they were led to believe darksiders are like so they act like it without realizing it. also in the case of ajunta paul i suspect he also spread this trait to the sith purebloods making them worse off then they were especially in the long run. also most simply took to calling themselves sith to spread their infamy least in later eras where the sith culture was ether in hiding or had been destroyed.
So basically…. Palpatine for President 2024???
Let's Make The Empire Great Again 😆
@@penaltyofdeathproductions5804 he made a great Senator and emperor I mean it’s the logical next step to lead the greatest country, a true power move, am I right or am I right
It's got to be better then what we already have.
Sith don't do voting though. You want something? TAKE it. Might makes right. So let's get him to kill the current leaders to replace them instead. He'll have a laugh about it.
@@danvitty5442 Worst country actually. The U.S has the worst health and prison system in the world. Job system is near the bottom too. China's is worse there though.
Denmark has a good prison system. Finland has housing first. UK has JSA/universal credit that isn't timed. So on and so forth. The problem with the U.S.A is that it's too much ground to cover. They'd be better served seperating the states into different smaller chunks to operate more independently. Some day it will be another civil war for some reason.
Those have the highest death rates. It's basically why Russia and Ukraine are fighting. People don't want it again. But it's bound to happen at some point. It's not a question of "if". It's a matter of "when". Probably not in our life times. China and Russia are keeping America too busy for it anyway.
Emperor Palpatine is currently in office
If I lived in the galaxy far far away and could use the force I couldn’t be exclusively bound to either philosophy. I’m the same way in real life. I do what works best for me individually.
@leogolive Well if you live by that individualistic philosophy, than you my friend live by the Sith Code. That's what they're all about, what is best for them as an individual.
Dark side Forever 🐍
I do agree the Jedi are heavily flawed in their approach of abandoning their emotions. If the force is life then it's unnatural to deprive yourself of feeling and experiencing life. That flawed view did in fact end them in the clone wars.
Agreed, thanks for watching.
Exactly. If live isn't even worth living then what's the point? The sith will at least want you to feel something.
That’s not what the Jedi teach, maybe they lost their way, but the Jedi teach is to control your emotions, but you can still care. Friendships develop and the master-student relationship is a very close almost parent or grandparent or sibling-like depending on how old the master is.
First, I gotta gove it to you for writing such a well researched and thoughtful dissertation. Most people who go to bat for the Sith abandon all sense of nuance and end up sounding like Anakin going, "From my point of view the Jedi are evil!", which gets really annoying when were talking about genocidal space nazis.
That being said, I still wouldn't classify the Sith's ideology as 'natural'. Sure it's Darwinian, but no natural creature takes their pursuit of self reliance to the extent the Sith do, and i believe that excess is what makes them evil or at least act in evil ways.
I've been an avid Star Wars fan since elementary school and I can't recall single instance of a Sith being 'sated' in the same way predators are after a successful hunt. They're constantly pursuing greater power and control, usually over others. This lack of restraint coupled with their equally lacking compassion or selflessness leads to them, pretty much universally, destroying the stability of the ecosystems they exist in, which doesn't seem very natural to me. It would be less like an apex predator hunting to survive and more like a rabid beast attacking anything in its way.
This is on top of the fact that Lucas himself has explained that the dark side is inherently a perversion of the Force, which is why it corrupts and destroys those who use it. However, that's not really what your vid was about so I'll simply leave it at evil or not, the Sith are bad guys who ruin the lives of others for personal gain.
Thanks for watching.
The only real difference from the Jedi and Sith, is that their views can be misconstrued, their texts can be mistranslated. And their actions can be misunderstood.
Very interesting.... truly.
Excellent episode. Thanks for sharing.
The DarkSide of the force is the key to life not only in the Star Wars Mythos but in real life ✅.
The Sith Code will propel you to great heights in personal life success , they are superior in every way.
The Jedi are weak due to them always lying to themselves , keeping themselves down & holding themselves back due to them being afraid of their true potential in life 🤷🏾♂️.
The Jedi are nothing but Deceitful Nice Guys that are like those secret haters that wanna be overtly aggressive but hide it due to it not being “socially correct” or looked at as more “Ugly” so in your face they will stab you behind your back with a smile on their faces but attempt to contain their inner evil however A SITH WILL NOT 🤦🏾♂️.
The Sith are the heroes of the StarWars Universe & the Jedi are the true villains , it’s facts.
Never apologize for telling the truth
Sith ideology is cool for you if you live in the wilderness.. It doesnt work well for a society tho.. Sith ambition had them killing each other for many years.. Its why Revan and Bane boiled the order down to 2
Society grows when people balance competition with cooperation.. That cant happen because "Treachery is the way of the Sith"
Indeed, that's why the Rule of Two was so successful for so long. Sith Ideology works very well, but it must be under the proper circumstances, otherwise it's doomed to fail.
40% of depression in schools. 63% of gun suicides in texas. People depressed because of "normal" instead of "being your own person".
I can gauntee that people that are pushed to fight their own battles in our real world learn to do better and stop claming moral high grounds. The "normal" people remain weak and pathethic. The sith have the right idea. Some might struggle more then others, but if the jedi's idea of living is to not even feel then that's even worse.
Soiciety will never be balanced. Ever. People operate on greed. Everyone has an agender. Hotdogs and burgers get pumped of chemicals that destroy DNA. 70% of people gobbling down sleeping pills suffer from dementia. THIS is society.
The only way to win is to play by your OWN rules. To not live by the expectations of others. That's what the sith are about. If you want a situation to change then DO something about it. It's made quite clear. The jedi on the other hand would go "Out on your ass" and "we betray your and discard you". The very fact that Dagan wakes up to that only proves it.
If you're not going to be there for your own then what's the point? If you stretch yourself too thin and can't do that then one of two things happen. 1: You meant to do it. 2: You're too incapable. Whatever you might think of the sith they get shit done. They don't mess around. They don't stop just because you don't like them. Submit. Fight. Convince. Those are the options.
Some of the best sith will go "Well done for beating me" and won't even kill you. Because they would have learned to overcome their anger. That's a phase after anger. After overcoming the self hatred.
Even Yoda learned this. He embraced and accepted his dark side. Jedi society wasn't the solution. It was the problem. You can see him doing it in the clone wars show. He accepts and embraces his darker side. Quite literary. Instead of fighting his true nature, like most people do when they remain weak, he accepts it.
Knowing the foolishness of black and white viewpoints he becomes a hermit. Obi does too. Noticing the pattern? The most capable are the ones going "Done with common viewpoints". Yoda then teaches Luke. Who learns to not see things in black and white with the test of the Vader illusion. Which pays off when facing the real one.
Don't buy into the "soicety" crap. It's designed to keep people down and trapped in the rat race. You're a mindless cog in a machine from bad habits. Or by design. Play the system instead of letting it abuse you. I personally exploit it to my advantage and don't work. I have more time for the things that matter. I don't owe anyone anything. And if you think people are going to buy into that "be selfless "nonense, then all they do is let themselves get taken advantage of.
The problem isn't being taken advantage of. People want to be useful. The problem is treating it like a "stranger obligation". It's not. Selflesshness only has a purpose when it's "in your face" directly. And even then, if you do it to "feel good about yourself" then that's ego and pride. Beware the hubris. Some sith know better (not the emperor clearly). Jedi seem to not learn that lesson as much though. The problem is ego. Pride is what will get you.
Funny how it works really. The jedi got wipeed out for their pride. Then the emperor did. I think the death star was a test to see if they'd try to beat him at his own game. He actually wants to lose. Sith get let down when they're not betrayed. So when Vader yeeted Sidious I bet he was glad even if he fell. "Finally. He finally did it."
It doesn't work in the wilderness either. The mother who eats her weak cubs is the mother starving because her pride has or environment could not support her. The projection of competition and hierarchy onto everything in nature makes you miss most of the important bits if you ask me. And if being boiled down to just two is the pinnacle of success cause it is impossible to survive as a group, that would tend to be considered a bad bad survival rate.
Kaans Brotherhood was weak. The Jedi merely cooperate. Groups tend to cooperate for the abstract principles propogated by their order. While this has some advantages like providing for the needs of everyone in a similar manner by sharing resources, ensuring survival of its weakest members, and getting everyone to provide towards something that can benefit the group in some way like it's reputation or popularity. The problem is with that is that it assumes everyone has the same needs and wants. And while cooperative grouos share in some distribution of the material gain, this ultimately allows their weakest members to weaken the group, weigh it down with ignorance, laziness, entitlement and arrogance. Competition forces everyone not neccesarily always to work together but only sometimes if one another interests align, and the great number of the rewards are given to those that earn it based on merit. Like aptitude and skill. Those who desire more and are ambitious leave a cooperative because hard to determine through group work who gets what or because the philosophical goals are too abstract, so it's not obvious who puts in the most work and who is doing the best. Competition also culls the weak, removes them from the order of things if they prove to be incompetent or just lazy. Someone with alot of weaknesses are ultimately exposed and removed through competitive struggle and challenges.
Sith therefore are somewhat ruthless and don't tolerate foolishness or passive and subservient behaviour if they cannot directly benefit from it. Sith will prune those who refuse to build themselves up, but on the brighter side they keep their group strong and freed from certain limitations. The pack is potentially only as strong as the wolf, the wolf is potentially only strong as the pack. Thus Sith value the rule of two because power concentrated in one, while the other merely craves it and seeks the strength, the power and the knowledge. As all people wish to have these things. The master is meant to be the gap between the apprentice and his true self. That's what masters, gurus and coaches.
Competition thus selects for the most strong/best or the most cunning. The Sith also value power or competence the most. This means that victory is always about potential, spirit or destiny. Cooperation doesn't select for strength and perfection, it breeds mediocrity, contentment and passivity. They also don't create a collective victory as some would think. They share victory is untrue. They breed less envy but envy is what makes one wish to be greater and too provide enough incentive to yearn for the reality whrkere power can be yours. If all are equal, then none are strong as Darth Bane said. But also, if all cooperate then none are ambitious since what earned is only wlquanitively because that is only thing that can be proportioned out. Only the most abstract goals can be said to be said to be "gained by all".
How victory really works is the best get to embody the power so much so that they are given the proper recognition and accolades, whose leadership, spirit, character and dynamism gets to be the proof that mere abstractions cannot replicate, to provide the widespread rewards or the benefits of power securing victory. You cannot mimic the rewards of inner control, discipline, sacrifice, duty, devotion, perseverance, determination and personal ambitions for instance. Cooperation claims to benefit all but really without such tangible Sith benefits it really has no one truly powerful to boast of the merit of one's principles, rules or ideals. These can only be claimed by a true Darth or a Sith lord who has undergone being tried, tested and proven, ie training and challenges. Otherwise victory has no substance and that all members can win is vapid and a false delusion propogated by the Jedi minded.
One of the things I find most confusing about Star Wars is what the dark side even is
A hotly debated topic indeed. Perhaps I'll do a vid about it later. But I personally believe the mantra of the Gray Jedi, The Force is just The Force, there is no physical Dark Side or Light Side. It's the way a Force sensitive interacts with it which determines whether it be Light or Dark.
I believe it's the user's way of using the force. Light obeys it, while Dark controls it, and harnesses it for power.
the grey jedi/users of the force find a kind of balance, while not entirely controlling the force, they can harness its power, while not loosing their rational thinking.
The reason the dark side confuses me is because some sources say that it’s the act of taking control over the force itself while other sources say that the dark side controls the user like when Darth Vader wanted to build a castle on Mustafaar and he took a talking helmet that belonged to an ancient Sith Lord named Darth Memnon who gave him the design for the castle and later had a bit of a story there and in the end Memnon told Vader that the sith serve the dark side
Honest monster. Devil you now. etc. That's all it is really.
People go through phases thoug. The first is always self delusion. Fear in a mask. Like how the jedi fear fear itself. That in itself is fear. And that is why their fear gave others the power over them in reality.
Once people stop pretending, anger is often what's next. The sith exploit this to their advantage.
There's a phase after that though. That only those most learned obtain. Some of the best sith manage it. The ones that are not angry. The one that go "Well done for beating me" and won't kill you for it. Ever seen a jedi do that?
That's the whole point really. It isn't anything. The force is alive. Think of it like air. It's everywhere, touches everything and everyone, but it's not dark, or light for that matter. It simply IS! Now how you use it, is when lines can be drawn. The true Jedi philosophy should simply be, "The force is." Weakening yourself by limiting your knowledge is self defeating, and strengthening only oneself is greed. There are no sides, or rather there shouldn't be. To choose one, is to push away the other, thereby weakening yourself again. "The force, simply, is." The only good thing to come from the sequel trilogy is the single sentence,
"Don't join!"
Experiment, seek, learn, grow.
Some interesting concepts, though perhaps a bit lacking. I’d certainly agree that the Sith are represent something more primal and impulsive then their Jedi counterparts. However I think you’ve not given enough towards the angle of their corruption. While their goals may initially be altruistic or with good intentions they tend to share a common trait. Succumbing to greed. Enough is never enough. Be it knowledge, time, wealth, etc. This type of hoarding is not seen in nature. Animals generally take what they need and little more.
Jedi ideology teaches the opposite, where you should only desire enough to maintain yourself.
Also worth noting that Luke fits the description more accurately as a “grey Jedi” or to use political terms, an independent.
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you mean how the Jedaii originally there . both the Jedi and Sith are extremints in the force originally there was no jedi or Sith just the Jedaii these preached balance of the force only after the Rakkatan infinite empire appear the first dark jedi there born as the lightsabers the Rakkants used there powered by the Dark Side
Animals do get greedy.
Ever heard of magpies? How about how rat infestations that devour grain and ruin food stocks?
A full predator will still not eat a deer nearby though. If only because it's full already.
A deer turning around to run into the lion shows courage. It doesn't get eaten.
Animals and people have more in common then you think. We ARE the animals. People just tend to not see it in animals because they're too busy looking at themselves when they self project.
@@taramaforhaikido7272 Magpies collect items to attract mates, not for their personal use or desire. At best its comparable to humans being suitable to support a mate with a stable job, house, etc. It's not excessive hoarding or greed.
Nor is an animal operating on a base instinct such as hunger. Gorging does not equate to hoarding. At best you could reference animals storing food for winter seasons. Still doesn't equate to constant desires for more and more, more then anyone could ever use in a single (or multiple) lifetime(s).
Also...a deer facing a lion doesnt get eaten? What bs is that, of course it would. Also not relevant to my original comment.
@@sentaukrai Think of a venus fly trap like money. It's tempting. It's there. SNAP! It's like the rat race. The "bait" doesn't really matter. What matters is that it's a temptation. They set traps. Just like people luring you in and playing you for fools. If you think the deer is odd how the hell does a PLANT learn this? Nature is more strange then I thought.
The difference with humans is that there's the "money trap". Male magpie shows shiny shiny. female falls for bait. Animals have their own traps. It's there. You want it. For whatever reason. Is it "honest" or "a trap"? Or even both. Doesn't have to get you killed.
It's true about the deer. The deer turned around and faced the lion. Birds coexist with cats too. It's like how people will face bullies and don't let themselves get bullied. If you're prey then it's because of fear. Show you're fearless then instead they get baffled and confused. But not confused enough that things are unclear. So it's an "honest situation". They can't intimidate you. They''re not THAT hungry. Suddenly you're "really different". Not like the others at all. So what else can they do other then look at you and go "Ok. Hi there." It is relevant. It proves humans and animals are more alike then people think. Your argument was about the difference between jedi/sith and animals. And therefor I am presenting evidence about how they're more alike then people think. You're just trying to dismiss it because of your trust issues. You didn't ask or try to find out or do your own research. I actually go out of my way to find the proof. It might not happen often (because, let's face it, such fearless creatures are rare anywhere) but it's there. And when people like you dismiss such fearless courage then it's no wonder it's not common enough. You can be wrong and are. I know the truth, I know what I saw with my own two eyes. It was also recorded.
People think they need more money. That's the trap. It's bait. Animals and even plants lay bait too. Set traps. Ants will expand and even enslave other ants. They actually do that (yea, it surprised me too). They want more. They want to expand. Because their numbers get that large. Most other animals (or insects. etc) don't have those kind of numbers. Hence why you won't see it as much there. Humans enslaved people once. Still do even. Like sith and jedi. Except the jedi kidnap you at a young age. JUST like these ants do. Remind you of anyone? Anakin. Or any other youngling really. If you don't see animals and insects doing what people do then you're not looking hard enough. We're all biological beings. Thinking is only useful when it has a use. How to tell fact fom fiction? How to tell between irrational fear and expectations, and honesty with reality? There's only one way to remind anyone about honesty. Subvert their expectations. Become Jack Sparrow doing the most strange yet honest thing. Let yourself be a target. It's what Jack actually does. It works well. It works in real life too. Provided it's done correctly. It will work with people. It will work with animals. Just got to make sure the "honesty" remains intact while not coming across as "a threat". While showing courage and being fearless. That's the formula. One wrong move and you're toast. What is one of those wrong moves? Hesitation. So you don't have time to think either. ACT. Even if you die anyway at least you try.
The difference is control. Turn it around to your advantage. It's always possible. But it requires quick and decisive action. Without rushing and giving into desperation (hence while impatience is folly). Fear is that desperation. Being a coward thinking only of yourself and yourself alone. It garuntees a hunt. Ensures a kill. So what else can you do instead? Turn around and look death right in the eye. Provided it's done without fear (and I really do mean one has to have ZERO fear) then it works. The slighest whiff of fear, the slightest hint, any sign of doubt or hesitation and that's Vader striking you down with a saber. That's the shark smelling blood in the water. You got to make EVERY right move here. Or you're dead.
I'm also speaking as somoene that's stared down the barrels of guns and played with people that want to stab me. So it's why I looked it in nature more. How brave does a bird have to be to land in a crocadiles jaws to clean its teeth? Life is full of BS mate. Learn to enjoy it. Or you're just wallowing in it.
Having no fear means you are in control. The moment you hesitate is the moment to rethink. In this case the lion hesitated and could only stand and stare. It expected a hunt. The deer, this deer specifically, it was 100% fearless and 100% inquisitive. Quite calmly Looking at you. Finding the lion interesting. It's... interested in you. Yea, how can you kill that? Even Vader can't kill that. He tried with Luke. It didn't work.
When something comes over to you and looks you right in the eye then how can you not pause and rethink? It's pretty hard to argue against that. Just leave the good intentions behind. That's what will set the sith off.
Very enlightening point man🤙🏾
Plagueis used mind control in his novel. He did it both when he told a child to jump out a window and when he killed a prophet and told her followers to look the other way and he did nothing.
I wouldn't say what you're describing is conservatism, but rather an extreme form of individualism. Maybe even objectivism.
Conservativism is individualism...
@penaltyofdeathproductions5804 Not necessarily. Conservatism is a big house.
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Amazing video
Let's not forget that Palpatine used deception to lure Anakin to the dark side. Paplatine also killed our sent others to kill for him. It's against nature to take life. Lucas said the difference of the Sith and the Jedi was because they were influenced by anger fear and hate which all lead to suffering. The Sith were after pleasure while Luke was influenced by Joy. He depended on others for his survival. Palpatine was overconfident in himself and only believed in the dark side. Luke depended on his friends and others to rescue him like he did with Han Solo and Princess Leia. Palpitatine depended only in himself and thought he was invincible that no one could overthrow him. He didn't think that Vader could be moved enough to care about his son. So reverting back to being Conservative and Liberal, Vader went back to his cub who seemed weak for depending on him for his survival against Palpatine. Vader saved his cub who was in danger by the predator
Very good video! I'm now a subscriber. Both the Jedi and the Sith are remiss in their failure to prioritize having offspring. The Shakers were a celibate religious group that went extinct, like the Jedi. The Jedi Order was built on suicidal, unnatural ideals destined to die. Only the Sith live in accordance with natural law. The Sith would have benefitted from choosing to be Patriarchs. In my opinion, nature is the manifestation of God's will therefore the natural law of predators preying on the weak as well as perceiving prey as resources to be exploited is God's will. I'd like you to consider the possibility that flooding drugs into an environment, while spreading the mind virus of Wokism, and disease serves the interests of those that wish to cull the herd of the unhealthy gnostics, namely the psychologically weak. After the fall of civilization, far-right Conservativism will rise!
Dam straight.
Well I'll be first on the chopping block
I’m impressed
Thanks!
I think the Sith are far more accurately comparable to Communists. Real life Communists, not the fantasy ideals they espouse. Tyrannical dictators that rise to power through the guise of "peace and stability", while in reality it's about concentrating absolute power in the hands of a very few individuals. Manipulating the masses through the promise of safety and security and peace, while using fear as a tool to conquer.
Conservatives aren't big on "big government". I feel they would be more comparable to gray Jedi like Quigon. Not wanting to be controlled by tyranny or corporate overreach, they're more like the Mandalorians. A warrior-culture mindset but very much a "just leave us alone to do our thing" culture.
the sith and jedi are enemies but what makes the sith in my view evil is that even if the ideology isnt about ruling the galaxy but that was always the goal (sith are still cooler) also both sith and jedi are natural the world has both a good and bad in it
Not all Sith were about ruling the galaxy. The true goal of the Sith are about the acquisition of power and resources, that in and of itself is not necessarily evil. It what you do with that power that makes the determination.
@@penaltyofdeathproductions5804 well the sith still choose to rule the galaxy more often then not old rebublic era had like 3 wars cus of sith wanting power they ruled the galaxy in canon at one point and after being beat they made a plan that would last millions of years to take out the jedi and take back control again with the rule of 2
But hey! It’s just a Theory!
So senator Armstrong was a sith secretly?
The way you compare Sith to RL conservatives made me think of the first few centuries of the Christian cult(the world at the time saw them as a cult..)
Most iterations after that were mostly attempts to coopt and control the faith are comparable to dogmatic Jedi. The OG Christians were pacifist, but passionate as well as compassionate, following a simple code free of rigid adherence to dogma.
We need to safebguard the works of George Lucas, star wars legends are true star wars
@spartan.prime.7878 I whole heartedly agree.
@@penaltyofdeathproductions5804 I am of the sith, darth weirdo
Sith are extreme (to the point of murderous & sociopathic tendencies & or lifestyle) devotion to a Nietzsche esque beliefs
wow defending conservatism the Sith and eugenics in one video
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Wrong question. The reason he's asking the wrong question is obvious, It's the same reason Jedi fan boys never ask the question. I don't know if he's really that biased, or just trying to sound edgy. Why in the world would he map Sith ideology over his own political ideology if the goal is to be objective? Anyone watching this didn't need told he was conservative, As, it's very clear he gets his idea impartiality from years of Fox News, or Breitbart. Which explains seeing the space fascists as heroes. Objective person only interested in actually knowing the truth would ask why this keeps happening on both sides.
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Exactly what a piss drinking Leftist would say, lol. I bet this clown can't even define fascism, let alone tell anybody it's true function. He clearly lays out that the Sith are not fascists but a representation of nature in it's most raw form, unless this roach considers nature itself to be fascist. You might try hopping off MSNBC for a while Gomer, it's rotted your brain on Commie propaganda.
You sound big mad! 😬
What does fox news or breitbar have to do with this? Your only accurate complaint was fascists as heroes.
Hitler saved a jew and tried to cancel the gas chamebers btw. It was HImmler that did that. Not Hitler. In fact Hitler's own command tried to kill him with that suitcase bomb. He's a prisoner. You try to save people you care about? Someone in your side is taking issue with it.
Both jedi and sith alike.
Jedi and sith fight themselves. Not just each other. I think people overlook this. It's probably what Sidious means when he says they're alike. You're as bad as each other. Sith just pretend less.
Sorry I disagree with you there. The Sith are evil. Look at how many people Vader killed. Besides the younglings, he killed a number of civilians while hunting for kenobi. Look at all the innocent people killed on Alderan by the Empire. Let’s also not forget about how Palpatine manipulated Anakin with the promise of saving Padme . How did that work out?!
When taking over a pride, male lions kill all the cubs of the previous ruling male. Not only to make room for they're own genes, but to eliminate the legacy of their rivals. Would you by the same token call a lion evil? Vader killed the Jedi younglings for exactly the same reason. He behaved as any predatory animal would out in nature. He doesn't kill just for the sake of killing. With most Sith there is method to the madness.
@@penaltyofdeathproductions5804 There's plenty of examples to the contrary, though.
Did Palpatine have to torture Luke in RotJ? He knew that he couldn't turn Luke, the reason he tortured Luke was because he wanted to. Palpatine had the advantage, Luke posed no threat at the moment, and there was no gain to torturing him since Luke would never turn. It's not the first time a Jedi died stubborn like that. So Palpatine should've just killed Luke quickly. To use your analogy of a lion, it'd usually just bite the throat of prey or maul it, in one motion.
Speaking of mauling, did Maul have to seek revenge against Kenobi? Obviously, self defense is important, but Maul wasn't acting out of self defense, he spent over a decade searching for Obi Wan. That is the pure definition of killing for the sake of killing.
Yet another example, Darth Vader killed pretty much everyone who saw his face. He was notorious for going through admirals left and right. Did he have to do any of that? Those officers were still loyal to the empire. Sure, they failed sometimes, but ultimately Vader was doing it because they looked at him the wrong way, or said something insulting to the force. And the empire proves that quantity is better than quality, so killing officers even if they are less competent, makes little sense. At least when we see it happening.
Jedha was another case of the Sith killing for the sake of it. Sure, it was to test the Death Star, but ultimately they didn't need to test it. They already planned to use it on the Rebel base home world, when they found out wherever it was. Rather than destroying part of a planet AND Alderaan, they could have just destroyed Alderaan. So once again, that was unnecessary. They could have used ground troops more effectively, to lest disaster.
Vader also killed Padme. Why? She posed no immediate threat to him. He felt betrayed, sure, but Padme still posed no threat to him as the most powerful force user at the time. His attention should have been on Obi Wan. Instead, he chokes his pregnant wife, so to his knowledge he killed multiple people, his own children which were innocent. This wasn't self defense, and there was nothing to gain.
70% of people gobbling down sleeping pills get dementia from good intentions. 40% of depression in schools because of good intentions. People living a lie and being desperate for fun and happiness only to end up in depression and despar because of "Just see good". Fake smiles and happy masks. Seeing what people want/expect to see.
What if good is the problem? At least with evil you know where you stand. No BS. No pretending. Just straight up facts of "Be strong or suffer the price". That or submit and be useful somehow.
because we are human@@stygianoatman
@@gavinlinville9691 I have no idea which part of my comment you're referring to lol. Yes, we're human. Sith see themselves as beyond that, which was essentially my point. They believe they're the best and if they ever fail to impose their will over others, they "deserve it"