Here's my take, In general, I feel like Kaiser is better than the other two, but Rin's performance spikes when he's under pressure or during the hot moments of the game, which clearly surpasses Kaiser. Isagi however, it may look like Isagi is at the level of the two of them but actually, Isagi's currently playing at his best right now only because the entire team is japanese. Remember how Isagi couldn't even do shit in the barcha match because He couldn't coordinate with the other team members? He literally needed Kunigami to do ANYTHING AT ALL. Even during the manshine city match, he needed Kurona, Yukimiya and Noa to make an impact. He needed Hiori to score in the Ubers game. Isagi couldn't strike chemical reaction or coordinate with literally any german player. He's only performing well against Nagi and Ubers coz he knows their "protagonism" which is once again thanks to how much times he has spent with them. He's known both his friends and foes for too long and that's why he's playing at such high levek in this game. It's almost been an entire game and Isagi is still vary of Charles. But Kaiser is different, even though the team is full of japanese, Kaiser is actually coordinating with the blue lock players and making them follow him. Rin was already PxG's CF in his very first match. What's difference between Rin, Kaiser and Isagi? Rin and Kaiser have to 0 to 1 of a striker and Isagi still lacks that quality. Barou made the entire Uber's team follow him. Kaiser makes the foreign japanese Cooperate and Rin does it with the fr*nch. Isagi however has only coordinated with japanese players. So my overall take is that Rin is kinda NG11 comparable to Kaiser. And Isagi still falls short compared to them solely because of his lack of 0 to 1. I do believe that now that Isagi has his TGV, it might also help with his 0 to 1. But it's still not at the level to become the centre of a team with overwhelming force the way Kaiser and Rin do.
What I think you are missing is the fact that the NG11 are judged and selected through the lense of The World Style Ego. So results results results, having talent is all well and good but do you provide results to your team everytime, do you not only stand out but contribute to your team on all levels etc. So for in that sense Rin is deffs on par in destroyer mode ability wise but providing results is what he lacks across an entire season not spurts of games.
@@aphrodi6311 dude new gen 11 lliterally means next generation of football stars . Current generation of stars are noel noa , snuffy , chris prince . loki is not among their generation , he is the next generation along with isagi and others . He defo can be considered a new gen 11 (ofcourse he will be the best among them)
@ bro you are the one whose not getting it , loki reached a level where his age means nothing , to put it into perspective , noa said himself loki is a huge threat to his throne , kaiser said that he is far away from noa and kaiser is new gen star . Do you think loki is new gen 11 after putting all pieces together ? Its not fair to put loki with new gen 11 because hes at same level of noa and chris and those guys , who are levels ahead of the new gen
I just had a crazy idea. What if they hold a vote between Rin and Isagi for the next NGW11? That could be a fun replacement for the salary system from the NEL.
@@TheAllFatherOdiisagi haters.. he’s top 2 in blue lock right now, you hating doesn’t change that fact, and he’s been back and fourth with Kaiser for like 3 games now..
I don't get it. How can you adapt in a 90 mins football match? Isagi is using spacial awareness and scanning and then makes runs but how is that adapting?
@@princetbz1102bro u are simplifying him, he adapts by taking in new information and adjusting to it. Example, karasu just got revealed to have metavision last chapter, isagi is already taking that information in and will be ready to account for it while others aren’t. Its pretty obvious how someone can adapt in the span of a match.
i can see those players from blue lock in world 11 : ( alot of yapping coming ) Rin at num 1 : Rin is easily the best player of blue lock i don't think anyone can disagree . Isagi : rin and isagi combo will be deadly . chigiri : this guy is just broken , carrying manshine . karasu : he's arguably the best cdm we will see in the series hyori : easily best midfielder in blue lock after sae i think the world 11 will have kaiser as striker , rin as striker , isagi as centerfoward or cam as he will be the main player of the team. as main strikers , hyiro and sae are center mids , karasu cdm . chigiri right back , lorenzo of course center back and honestly im pretty sure that world 11 team got another insane centerback and left back and goalkeeper .. ' why i chose those players ? because after NEL ends im pretty sure we can safely say that rin and isagi are the top of blue lock , and since we know they can work together especially after isagi showed he can drop his ego , the team built around rin will have isagi as beating heart who understands everyone , even sae said isagi is future . however you got insane players like shidou and barou etc. . they don't work well with others , for an world 11 team this kind of play isn't acceptable they would be kicked . that's why they secret weapons players i didn't choose and why : gagamaru : im 100% sure world 11 got a real top notch goalkeeper barou : he doesn't work well with others , same with shidou , they can be at bench nagi and reo : for now their levels are not up there so until they show high lv again constantly they wont be there
One more thing who do you guys think will be the better player not striker but PLAYER at the end of the series and Y Rin or Sae and give me reasons Y👍🏻 Who's going to be the best striker/player between these 2 based on full potential Shidou or Kunigami I'm choosing Shidou🔥💪 his a badass striker that can score amazing goals imagine how this guy's going to be when he gets his true monster ego and changes his playstyle just like Nagi(crazy goals incoming🔥)
my question is do positions matter to the rank of gettin new gen like are they grading you on how good of a player you are overall for example i think isagi is closer to being a new gen than chigiri but to be a new gen winger chigiri is leagues better than isagi therefor makin him closer to being a new gen 11 so is that how it works
Yes so far positions MATTER. Kaiser is a new gen 11 STRIKER. Lorenzo a CB. And sae is a mid fielder. So for anyone to take this spots theyd need to have a better main weapon the current best. For kaiser the key weapons of a striker is his impact and predator eye as scoring is his priority. For sae obviously his play making passes. For lorenzo obviously its his crucial plays on defense and preventing goals in his area as a center back
Putting Charles over Isagi is wild LoL. He's low-key a passbot. NGXI members have to be great at multiple parts of the game imo. Isagi isn't just a great striker, he's also great at assists as he consistently gains them whenever he can't score for too long and his defense as he consistently blocks shots from the higher tier players (including Chris Prince) and was the only one to read Berserker Rin but couldn't take him 1v1 due to a worse build but he got closer than anyone else including Kaiser who is the same type of player and a NGXI. I see where you're coming from but those are my reasons for strongly disagreeing.
Based off of recent chapters yeah I believe he is (isagi) cause no matter who’s challenged him he overcame them even rin also look at what Sae said about him in the u20 match up he wouldn’t be a high pick but a bottom 5 pick for sure
Actually if rin n Kaiser consider isagi as their rival that means that he’s not an average n he can be on the same level as them. Isagi depending on his mates doesn’t mean that he’s weak every player has his own way in playing soccer by thinking abt it I think it’s even better!! Because by playing alongside with his teammates he’s showing off his teammates skill so I guess u r wrong abt this one I still have more but I’m lazy
That's true, but unlike Kaiser and Rin, most Isagi's skill come out of playing with/against players whom he's well-aquainted with. He knows the strengths of his allies and foes coz he's known them for too long. If Isagi is thrown into a different team, I doubt he can be as productive as Rin or Kaiser. I mean, Isagi needed Kunigami to do ANYTHING AT ALL. He couldn't coordinate with the other BM players and that's a weekness. He needed Kurona and Yukimya to make an Impact in the manshine city match, he needed hiori for yhe Uber's match. And now almost the entire team is made of bluelock players and that is the only Reason Isagi is playing at his best. Notice how every player I've mentioned is japanese and none of them are german? Isagi doesn't have the extreme 0 to 1 energy that other strikers like Rin and Kaiser have.
Isagi's my favourite player🔥🧠😎⚽ but I have to say that Rin is amazing and he's only 16 he has huge potential🔥⚽ I've always said that I like Rin more as a player than Kaiser but that Kaiser was still better but regarding what Isagi said in the latest chapter I have to say that Rin has surpassed Kaiser's skill level currently/temporarily🔥 which also makes him part of the new gen XI as the LW or as the ST but kaiser will become even better than Rin he also has too much potential and he has a cool name🔥😎 but eventually Rin will surpass him again before the end of the series
The moment Rin also gets Metavision, it will be over, and people who disagree with me again, even though I told people that Karasu would get MV as well, need to understand that if Karasu has it now, Rin will surely have it too. Nowhere does it state that, if you're a Genius, you can't use it. Karasu was the most vital piece that I needed for the chain of pieces to follow and fall into place in order for Isagi to fully unlock his own inner Genius and complete his awakening.
@@theoneeditor399 That's fair. I also thought of that before. But, the reason he (Rin) doesn't have it yet makes sense. Because chronologically, he has been going against teams that didn't have Metavision users yet. When PxG went against Ubers, Niko and Aiku didn't have Metavision yet. When PxG went against Manshine, Nagi wasn't in the game and Reo was only using it in Flow State subconsciously. Snuffy being in the game for 3 minutes isn't enough for Rin to latch onto what he is going either, because time is too short and it's because he is a master striker, so it's a given that he would be something else entirely. Rin was constantly trying to learn about his inner ego all that time, so reverting back wasn't on his mind yet. However, now that he knows about his own ego and the trigger, he might reconsider given how he is being read and stopped by even someone like Igarashi. Unlocking Metavision is something that he could do since like Noa said it "He is charging in without thinking" which is why someone as feeble as Igarashi was so effective against his destructive style.
You guys in the comments who do you think will become the best midfielder in the world based on FULL POTENTIAL rank these 3 Sae Charles Reo I really like Reo for the player he can become he's a genius a playmaker a goalscorer has almost perfect stats all around(A) has metavision😂 and is the most versatile😎 plus he has the chameoleon in his back pocket🔥 this guy's too broken Charles's stats are insane and he's only 15✨ how good will he be at 18 he's going to become a great playmaker and rival for isagi and will probably go for his own goals too🔥⚽🧠 97 passing😂🔥 Sae is my 3rd favourite player he's too cool and has aura🔥 he's too good while holding back his dribbling shooting passing vision crossing and technique are 🔥🔥 Imagine how this guy is when gets serious or at full potential🧠⚽
I really like kaiser his dope and badass🔥 so you guys in the comments who's going to be the best striker(pure no 9) and the better player based on full potential The Emperor Kaiser or The King Barou im choosing kaiser🔥⚽🧠😎(isagi 2.0) but I do like the king his badass too😎⚽💪 Kaiser's my 5th favourite player and Barou's my 6th favourite player
nobodys going to officially give rin new gen 11 status but its obvious his skill is at that level now with kaiser and isagi needing to team up to beat him
Saying non meta vision Rin has better vision than meta vision Aiku and Niko is bs. You have to be blind asf to not realize how much Rin’s composure and IQ have dropped since 2nd selection
You guys in the comments how good do u think my boy isagi will become at the end of the series🔥😁 and he too will be part of the new gen XI Regarding the new gen XI for the future here's my predicted lineup Kaiser Rin Nagi Charles Sae Isagi Chigiri Lorenzo Aiku ................... Gagamaru🔥 Chigiri might lose his spot idk Reo Will definitely become a better CB and either replace Lorenzo or Aiku in this team and there will be a best young RB(who's not Japanese) Gagamaru will probably become the best GK in history(imagine being a striker like him that Has 95 defence🔥😂)
Bro Shidou, Barou and Isagi are all New Gen 11 level because look at Snuffy and Ego both their playstyle match Isagi you saying Isagi isn't is just silly bro like you can be the best without 1v1 not only that but your boy Rin is easy to read if two talented learner work together like he becomes worthless not only that but Isagi since has kept up with Shidou, Kaiser and normal Rin since the start of this match like were did your analysis come from.
U have a good pov abt rin being a good player n deserves to be a new gen 11 but idk he’s the same level as Kaiser actually I totally disagree on him being the same level as rin Kaiser is one of the best players out there n rin can’t easily be on kaisers level his presence is more powerful than rin his empact. What makes rin strong is Charles n the whole team is supporting him that what made him strong n if u want my opinion I think that name is on the same level as rin u can see that clearly in the u20 match if isagi is considered rin rival then rin is not stronger than Kaiser or at least they’re both in the same level
Bruh, the team is literally divided into two factions, Charles refuses to pass most of the time, and even when he does it's the most annoying pass. Rin dribbled past the entire bastard defence line on his own, and It took both Kaiser and Isagi just to stop Rin.
Definitely DEPENDS: Rin has better one v one play styles whilst kaiser prefers to use teammates. Similar to a hiyori vs shidou. Kaiser however is a far better defender makes better decisions and is a better team player essentially. Meanwhile rin is better individually. This was the whole point of world vs individual ego. I say kaiser is better because soccer is a 11 v 11. Also without a doubt kaiser is the better striker pred eye + impact is the best scoring weapon we’ve seen. Kaiser is a more balanced team player rin is a balanced individual player
Kaiser himself being ng11 is so questionable in terms of feats Like it’s actually insane how hard Lorenzo completely violates him Like Lorenzo is straight on another different tier of a character compared to Kaiser imo Like Ngl I don’t even consider kaiser anymore, since it’s weird Loki isn’t considered the NG11 striker even tho his under 20 And by far the best striker in the verse in terms of feats (ofc Noa is better but I’m saying Loki has better feats)
honestly what feats do we REALLY have to say that Lorenzo is drastically better than Kaiser? I mean he basically just does what Kunigami does to Shidou. Does that imply that Kunigami is way better than Shidou?
@ what Lorenzo did to Kaiser is ALOT different than what kunigami did to shidou Kaiser has been stated to be an insane off the ball player and extremely fast Lorenzo straight up stopped kaiser best move the kaiser impact after it’s already left his foot, completely denied him the ball the entire match Shidou got the ball while kunigami was still meant to be guarding him Let’s not forget while Lorenzo was putting on a clamp sesssion on kaiser he was also then controlling the offense and dribbling past BM like they weren’t even there… Then of course the fact not a single BM player beat Lorenzo in a 1v1 the entire match, Lorenzo also of course completely stopping the entire offense of BM multiple times ALL WHILE completely making kaiser a non factor… Let’s not pretend what kunigami and Lorenzo did were even comparable… Like Lorenzo gaps kaiser so hard, it makes me actually question how tf kaiser is called the NG11 striker in a anime about strikers… And of course he did all of this without any awakening throughout the match, or any plot devices or any flow state…
@ are we not gonna act like Shidou isnt an insane OTB player and insanely fast? Also shidou didnt get the ball once when kunigami was marking him. Im not denying your other points though
@ shidou lost kunigami Like yes when shidou got the ball kunigami wasn’t there But the reason he wasn’t there is because of shidou not because kunigami chose to not be there The ONLY time kaiser got the ball was when Lorenzo himself had to go cover another area Kaiser himself did nothing in that situation Also kaiser speed stat is I think higher than Shidou and it’s a lot harder to contain a meta vision user who’s on a team with a lot of other meta vision level players that can pass extremely well so even a tiny gap could be exploited
Lorenzo locked up Kaiser and rendered him useless, so I dont think Kaiser is above Lorenzo. I think Sae is also above Kaiser, because Sae is just Isagi on steroids
Lorenzo locked up a different version of Kaiser but I honestly would tend to agree with Sae take, Lorenzo would locked up just about anyone that’s below the new gen 11 level! Kaiser once he was free scored right away. always good to see the defenders getting their respects sucks that Loki broke the story though 😂 he might be the final obstacle for everyone if he beats Germany of course
@@gameBOT748 That's the wrong question. Just because we haven't seen any other goalies in the series doesn't mean Gagamaru HAS to be the best U20. Because tye definition of NG11 is that they will become future superstars. we haven't seen any other promising Goalies to begin with so claiming that he's NG11 level is completely baseless and it doesn't even make sense considering that he was LITERALLY a striker until a few months ago in the story.
@@aerosassain bro you skipped the whole concept of prodigies and geniuses, you said that isagi lacked the physical abilities for 1v1 and that is true, no doubt about it. But isn't because of that isagi evolved? if you expect isagi to match the physical abilities of rin that day will not come and that's because isagi is a prodigy and rin is a genius. A genius is someone who has a very unique physical ability that can't be comprehended by logic and A prodigy is someone who adapts to them and as stated prodigies don't have the physical abilities to counter geniuses(except few like snuffy), still they are equals. that means a prodigy is never meant to defeat a genius 1v1. that's my point edit: that's why i think isagi is a well deserved NG11 as well
@ that means nothing, being a prodigy doesnt mean you cant be a NG11, Sae is a prodigy and is a NG11. it just comes down to Isagi’s playstyle that keeps him from reaching the title
@@aerosassain i get your point but in the previous chapter ego stated that rin and isagi survived in this world-class madness, why do you think ego mentioned only these two? That's because a genius playstyle revolves around his unexplainable physical abilities while a prodigy's playstyle revolve around his logical abilities. that is why ego only mentioned these two
This prolly the worst takes I’ve ever heard Rin is better because he stole the ball from Kaiser that just started working with blue lock 😂 using that logic Kaiser is way better for blasting a KIM right in Rin’s face and stealing the ball from him recently 🤦🏾♂️ this might be your worst takes yet
U have a good pov abt rin being a good player n deserves to be a new gen 11 but idt he’s the same level as Kaiser actually I totally disagree on him being the same level as rin Kaiser is one of the best players out there n rin can’t easily be on kaisers level his presence is more powerful than rin. What makes rin strong is Charles n the whole team is supporting him that what made him strong n if u want my opinion I think that isagi is on the same level as rin or maybe rin is just slightly skilled more than isagi but what makes rin better than isagi is that he’s a genius but isagi working hard on himself makes him unique n special n also a prodigy n u can see that clearly in the u20 match if isagi is considered rin rival then rin is not stronger than Kaiser or at least they’re both in the same level
This take is just factually incarruate 1. Isagi clearly draws a distinction and states that rin is better then him. This isnt by a slight margin its by a lot when judging both players off of individual skill its not close 2. Chapter 285 has isagi teaming up with kaiser because neither him nor kaiser can stop rin on they're own. Kaiser is revelaed to be a talented learner and to beat a genius like rin talented learners need to create chemical reactions with each other. This simply means that in a 1 on 1 situation a talented learner will always lose to a genius. This actually holds up as all the way back in the u20 game it took rin who is considered a genius to stop sae another genius in a one on one situation a feat no one else on the pitch could to a replicate which is why isagi later states in the PXG VS BM match that he'd need to become a sae itoshi level person in order to stop rin 1 on 1 3. Rin has better feats then kaiser overall and has overall better stats, based on what we've seen throughout the match rin has repeatedly gotten the better of kaiser allowing him to not only stop the kaiser impact but also flat out just stop kaisers plays dead in they're tracks. Based on all the evidence we've been given especially win isagi stating that no one on the field (excluding master strikers) can stop rin its incredibly fair to state that rin is on a different tier 4. To state that what makes rin strong is charles is completely false, The funny thing is that kaiser is the one who can't opperate without a team backing him, this is why he was begging for his team to pass to him before he scored his goal that lead to his awakening, the ability to work with others is something kaiser depends on not rin. Rin has shown time and time again thorughout the match that he is capable of taking multiple players on by himself without the need for any assistance. Need I remind you that during the vast majority of the match charles actively refused to pass to rin and was only working with shidou and only worked with rin after rin awakened. BM and PXG are teams that have 2 different systems, there is no complete system that works to support rin nor does he actively need it 5. To state kaiser has more presence then rin is also false as in the new chapter isagi states that the world was awaiting for the birth of a new genius/ new hero and that hero was rin but isagi prevented it from happening. Need i also remind you it took 3 players to stop rin's shot which still almost went in and on top of that even loki himself considers rin a genius and complements him whilst he states that kaisers ultimate weapon aka the kaiser impact is nothing impressive Current rin based on statements, narrative, feats and just plain out common sense clears kaiser and it ain't close. Currently the standing is Sae > Rin >> Kaiser >= Don Lorenzo >= Isagi. Sae and rin are a so definitively portrayed to be a clean cut above the rest because unlike the rest they're actual geniuses
@ lets be honest here. From one year I predicted all this by commenting in other video that pxg will be so strong for the bm that it’ll lead to isagi teaming up with Kaiser, from the first interaction between kaiser n isagi I knew that they’re gonna team up together in a way or another. If the author made isagi team up with Kaiser without a strong reason then they teaming up is useless n won’t excite us the fans. But let me tell u why Kaiser is on the same level as rin or even better First While Rin’s individual skill is exceptional, Kaiser is better at asserting his dominance as the centerpiece of his team’s offense. His leadership style, his egotistical, ensures the team’s tactics revolve around his strengths, maximizing his influence on the game. Rin, by contrast, has struggled with leadership dynamics, especially in clashes with Isagi and others. Secondly isagi teaming up with Kaiser doesn’t mean in any way that Kaiser is weak. Let me make it clear for u soccer is not 1 v 1 game but a 11 vs 11 if there’s no chemistry between the players or cooperation then I consider it as a futile, failure team a player depending on his teammates doesn’t makes him weak but stronger n ofc each player has his own way in playing. Thirdly in terms of dribbling rin is better but at terms of shooting Kaiser is much more better than rin. Kaiser’s role as the ace of bm is predicated on his ability to consistently finish plays and score goals. His efficiency in front of the net is unmatched, as highlighted in multiple egoist league matches, including his battles with pxg. Rin, while versatile and adaptive, does not have a signature move on the same level. His play relies more on overall game control rather than finishing with such overwhelming dominance. Rin being capable of scoring, often focuses on controlling the tempo rather than being a pure finisher for example when he tried to copy sae goal from the u20 match instead of scoring his own. Fourth Kaiser’s ability to read the field and manipulate the flow of the game is evident in Chapter 272, where he steals the ball from Rin. Kaiser uses his superior positioning and tactical awareness to intercept Rin’s attack, demonstrating his ability to outthink even the most skilled opponents. This moment emphasizes how Kaiser’s strategic mind sets him apart, especially when competing against someone as methodical as Rin, And btw every time rin has stopped Kaiser this match he had help from Karasu and others See I’m not tryna say that rin is trash or weak or whatever but each one has some advantage over the other there is no a perfect player my point is that Kaiser have more experience by playing alongside Noel noa and still be able to score that means that he’s a high scale level and not any player can be compared to him. As I said each player has his own style. Why did Noa have to use isagi to evolve Kaiser to be a good rival for him?? except if he sees something in Kaiser that is not in rin, but u have to understand that in case isagi teaming up with Kaiser is happening (which did happen) there should be a good reason to it, and I think that bm still would have the chance to win against pxg even without isagi teaming up with Kaiser, but the author want something special to anticipate the fans and excite them to read the manga so he had to do it so it can be a special match as it’s the end of the neo egoist league.
@@alvn4525 Just one more point I wanted to state is that if rin had the ability to get advantages from his teammates n had the ability to cooperate with them he would be so strong n much better than Kaiser what is good abt Kaiser is that he uses his teammates for the advantage of him n his team members which would be so beneficial for his team members, honing their skills and making it visible to everyone. So to sum up Kaiser having the ability to do all that makes his presence more beneficial to his team n powerful to the opponent bc the opponent want a team that don’t get along with each other so it would be easier to destroy.
@@mayadhawad807 1. I also predicted the same and I agree that a large enough threat or reason would exist to make isagi and kaiser work together however the key point your forgetting is that the threat is rin. if kaiser and isagi could stop rin on they're own and by extension win the match by they're own merits they wouldn't team up. I don't even know why were arguing this its actively stated that no one on the field can stop Rin and in 1 on 1 encounters in means that on an individual basis he is the best player on the field, its literally common sense. If I have to team up with someone else to beat someone it means that I can't beat that person on my own as if I could I wouldn't need the partnership in the first place, and this is even more evident with kaiser and isagi as they hate each other. They literally state that theyre doing this out of necessity nor precaution. 2. I fail to see how kaiser is better at asserting his dominance when he has to rely on a system to boost him. Need I remind you that unlike kaiser rin has established himself as the clear cut victor of a team's philosophy even though like kaiser he faces a similar situation with him and shidou being on the same team. Unlike kaiser its not a debate on whether or not pxg centers around rin because it does, based of feats, based of statements and the fact that even charles himself decided to side with rin makes it all the more clear. As for the leadership argument this argument is flawed given the newest chapters. The newest chapters explain the relationship between geniuses and talented learners, talented learners adapt and learn by watching and translating the players that genius come up with. By rin simply playing how he wants his team actively gets better as they take inspiration and draw plays off it. We actively see this all the way back in the u20 game when the entire match was centered around itoshi rins awakening and it was his plays either conscious or unconscious that lead the u20 team to victory. Nagi's goal was acredited to the fact that rin lead the charge by having isagi stick close by him allowing for chances to be created by the other players. So to then state that rin has less dominance or ability to lead is actively wrong as the source material actively shows us that rin is capable of easily leading by simply playing and inspiring other people to work around the plays that he creates. - Quick side note the very reason you give for kaiser being more dominant is counter productive, as kaiser himself admits that his philosophy will never surpass that of noel noa's which is why he states that BM is forever going to be noa's team and why he came to the nel so that he could get a bid and then get transffered to another team. Furthermore the aspect of the teams phylosophy ending with the kaiser impact isn't the case anymore, and hasn't been the case since the manshine match as isagi established himself, The current team rn in the PXG match doesn't work around kaisers weapon so I don't see exactly how this point is relevant if the very same philosophy was discarded 3 matches ago. 3. I never stated that teaming up with isagi makes kaiser weak, however it does state that kaiser is willing to team up with the person whom he dispises and wants to beat in an attempt to beat an even bigger threat. Your failing to realise the significance of the team up, the fact of the matter is that both isagi and kaiser have to team up cause of necessity because neither one of them possesses the ability to beat rin and by extension win the game on they're own merits. if you have to team up with the person you hate most or simply just dispise for you to win that means that you had to resort to the last possible option meaning that neither kaiser nor isagi have the individual ability necessary to end the game, the exact same can not be said for rin as the team-up suggests that individually he can end the game which is why the chemical reaction is necessary to stop him from doing that. 4. The case of shooting is honestly debatable as shots can be different, Simply put it depends exactly how you value shots, kaisers shot is fast however is very linear which makes its course predictable, only in certain instances when the ball is stationary can he make it less predictable. Rins shots curve and are less predictable however are not as fast. Each shot is strong in they're own way and can be deadly depending on the situation given. my argument was never based on whos shot was better it was based around the fact that stat for stat rin is better then kaiser which is inarguable. Its also hard to say that infront of the goal his efficiency is unmatched considering the fact that rin has more goals then kaiser with less playing time then him cause PXG used a rotation of substitues between the 2 systems of shidou and rin. So the fact that rin has more goals in less PT means that rin has a higher efficiency and is more consistent otherwise kaiser shouldn't have less. Also to state that rin doesn't have a signature move that can rival kaiser impact is false considering destroyer mode is so potent that no one can stop him. Im not saying Kaiser is bad, however on an invidiual basis he is not as impressive or as skilled as rin, By judging on his own merits without the intake of systems or people working for him rin simply has better feats and statement to back up the fact that currently his above kaiser. I also disagree with the sentiment that BM can win without the isagi x kaiser team up as again the latest chapters just showed that the only way to beat a geniuse's otherworldy play is to combine the strengths of 2 talented learners. Your forgetting the fact that if isagi and kaiser didn't work together alongside gagamaru rin wouldn't just scored in the last chapters and the game would already be over. My viewpoint still stands that current rin is above kaiser
@@mayadhawad807 I agree that if rin worked more with his teammates then he'd be a much better player and that kaiser does have an advantage when factoring in a team setting
Actually if rin n Kaiser consider isagi as their rival that means that he’s not an average n he can be on the same level as them. Isagi depending on his mates doesn’t mean that he’s weak every player has his own way in playing soccer by thinking abt it I think it’s even better!! Because by playing alongside with his teammates he’s showing off his teammates skill so I guess u r wrong abt this one I still have more but I’m lazy
Here's my take,
In general, I feel like Kaiser is better than the other two, but Rin's performance spikes when he's under pressure or during the hot moments of the game, which clearly surpasses Kaiser.
Isagi however, it may look like Isagi is at the level of the two of them but actually, Isagi's currently playing at his best right now only because the entire team is japanese. Remember how Isagi couldn't even do shit in the barcha match because He couldn't coordinate with the other team members? He literally needed Kunigami to do ANYTHING AT ALL. Even during the manshine city match, he needed Kurona, Yukimiya and Noa to make an impact. He needed Hiori to score in the Ubers game. Isagi couldn't strike chemical reaction or coordinate with literally any german player. He's only performing well against Nagi and Ubers coz he knows their "protagonism" which is once again thanks to how much times he has spent with them. He's known both his friends and foes for too long and that's why he's playing at such high levek in this game. It's almost been an entire game and Isagi is still vary of Charles.
But Kaiser is different, even though the team is full of japanese, Kaiser is actually coordinating with the blue lock players and making them follow him. Rin was already PxG's CF in his very first match.
What's difference between Rin, Kaiser and Isagi?
Rin and Kaiser have to 0 to 1 of a striker and Isagi still lacks that quality. Barou made the entire Uber's team follow him. Kaiser makes the foreign japanese Cooperate and Rin does it with the fr*nch. Isagi however has only coordinated with japanese players.
So my overall take is that Rin is kinda NG11 comparable to Kaiser. And Isagi still falls short compared to them solely because of his lack of 0 to 1. I do believe that now that Isagi has his TGV, it might also help with his 0 to 1. But it's still not at the level to become the centre of a team with overwhelming force the way Kaiser and Rin do.
barou not being here hurt my soul
Potential NGXIs
Barou, Aiku, and Bachira. Those are the only ones besides Isagi and Loki that I'd personally back
Loki was likely in the last ng11 batch.
What I think you are missing is the fact that the NG11 are judged and selected through the lense of The World Style Ego. So results results results, having talent is all well and good but do you provide results to your team everytime, do you not only stand out but contribute to your team on all levels etc. So for in that sense Rin is deffs on par in destroyer mode ability wise but providing results is what he lacks across an entire season not spurts of games.
@@Fallen_09 that’s just dumb in wrong Loki himself disproves this theory
If Loki was a new gen 11 he would’ve been revealed as one already.
he's not he's above that level already , for example he plays for the world cup not u20 world cup , basically he is different from others
@@aphrodi6311 dude new gen 11 lliterally means next generation of football stars . Current generation of stars are noel noa , snuffy , chris prince . loki is not among their generation , he is the next generation along with isagi and others . He defo can be considered a new gen 11 (ofcourse he will be the best among them)
@@LinoAckenjiro ehhh i dont really think so otherwise it wouldn’t be fair , Thats why hes an unprecedented prodigy , rules dont apply
@@aphrodi6311 not fair to who??? . Loki's literally isagi's age. You don't make sense at all
@ bro you are the one whose not getting it , loki reached a level where his age means nothing , to put it into perspective , noa said himself loki is a huge threat to his throne , kaiser said that he is far away from noa and kaiser is new gen star . Do you think loki is new gen 11 after putting all pieces together ?
Its not fair to put loki with new gen 11 because hes at same level of noa and chris and those guys , who are levels ahead of the new gen
I just had a crazy idea.
What if they hold a vote between Rin and Isagi for the next NGW11? That could be a fun replacement for the salary system from the NEL.
isagi is nowhere close to rin as of rn
2:17 OUUUUUUUU That Would've Looked so Much Better In The Manga if it Looked Like That 🔥🔥🔥🔥
It always threw me off how Tim never got scouted if he was as good if not better than his brother at the time
I would say Isagi is one because of his adaptable💯
nah isagi needs a new weapon which helps him in 1v1 . after that isagi surely would deserve to be new gen 11
isagi glazers
@@TheAllFatherOdiisagi haters.. he’s top 2 in blue lock right now, you hating doesn’t change that fact, and he’s been back and fourth with Kaiser for like 3 games now..
I don't get it. How can you adapt in a 90 mins football match? Isagi is using spacial awareness and scanning and then makes runs but how is that adapting?
@@princetbz1102bro u are simplifying him, he adapts by taking in new information and adjusting to it. Example, karasu just got revealed to have metavision last chapter, isagi is already taking that information in and will be ready to account for it while others aren’t. Its pretty obvious how someone can adapt in the span of a match.
What do you think of Pablo Cavazos?
i can see those players from blue lock in world 11 : ( alot of yapping coming )
Rin at num 1 : Rin is easily the best player of blue lock i don't think anyone can disagree .
Isagi : rin and isagi combo will be deadly .
chigiri : this guy is just broken , carrying manshine .
karasu : he's arguably the best cdm we will see in the series
hyori : easily best midfielder in blue lock after sae
i think the world 11 will have kaiser as striker , rin as striker , isagi as centerfoward or cam as he will be the main player of the team. as main strikers , hyiro and sae are center mids , karasu cdm .
chigiri right back , lorenzo of course center back and honestly im pretty sure that world 11 team got another insane centerback and left back and goalkeeper .. '
why i chose those players ?
because after NEL ends im pretty sure we can safely say that rin and isagi are the top of blue lock , and since we know they can work together especially after isagi showed he can drop his ego , the team built around rin will have isagi as beating heart who understands everyone , even sae said isagi is future .
however you got insane players like shidou and barou etc. . they don't work well with others , for an world 11 team this kind of play isn't acceptable they would be kicked . that's why they secret weapons
players i didn't choose and why :
gagamaru : im 100% sure world 11 got a real top notch goalkeeper
barou : he doesn't work well with others , same with shidou , they can be at bench
nagi and reo : for now their levels are not up there so until they show high lv again constantly they wont be there
Did you like how your favorite character got some spotlight in the most recent chapter
I can't wait for the trailer, I'm so pumped, I'm going to work harder so I can get the role of Lorenzo
Btw how much of the movie is done? I cant wait to see it
enough to make a trailer
One more thing who do you guys think will be the better player not striker but PLAYER at the end of the series and Y Rin or Sae and give me reasons Y👍🏻
Who's going to be the best striker/player between these 2 based on full potential Shidou or Kunigami
I'm choosing Shidou🔥💪 his a badass striker that can score amazing goals imagine how this guy's going to be when he gets his true monster ego and changes his playstyle just like Nagi(crazy goals incoming🔥)
my question is do positions matter to the rank of gettin new gen like are they grading you on how good of a player you are overall for example i think isagi is closer to being a new gen than chigiri but to be a new gen winger chigiri is leagues better than isagi therefor makin him closer to being a new gen 11 so is that how it works
Yes so far positions MATTER. Kaiser is a new gen 11 STRIKER. Lorenzo a CB. And sae is a mid fielder.
So for anyone to take this spots theyd need to have a better main weapon the current best.
For kaiser the key weapons of a striker is his impact and predator eye as scoring is his priority.
For sae obviously his play making passes.
For lorenzo obviously its his crucial plays on defense and preventing goals in his area as a center back
0:41 maaan the animation😢
Barou 😥
Putting Charles over Isagi is wild LoL. He's low-key a passbot. NGXI members have to be great at multiple parts of the game imo. Isagi isn't just a great striker, he's also great at assists as he consistently gains them whenever he can't score for too long and his defense as he consistently blocks shots from the higher tier players (including Chris Prince) and was the only one to read Berserker Rin but couldn't take him 1v1 due to a worse build but he got closer than anyone else including Kaiser who is the same type of player and a NGXI.
I see where you're coming from but those are my reasons for strongly disagreeing.
Based off of recent chapters yeah I believe he is (isagi) cause no matter who’s challenged him he overcame them even rin also look at what Sae said about him in the u20 match up he wouldn’t be a high pick but a bottom 5 pick for sure
0:41 is this fan animation??
nah episode nagi movie
@aerosassain wait but I've seen it, how did I miss this 😭
Need that Sunday live with ravin , latest chapters were oppp❤❤❤
Actually if rin n Kaiser consider isagi as their rival that means that he’s not an average n he can be on the same level as them. Isagi depending on his mates doesn’t mean that he’s weak every player has his own way in playing soccer by thinking abt it I think it’s even better!! Because by playing alongside with his teammates he’s showing off his teammates skill so I guess u r wrong abt this one I still have more but I’m lazy
That's true, but unlike Kaiser and Rin, most Isagi's skill come out of playing with/against players whom he's well-aquainted with. He knows the strengths of his allies and foes coz he's known them for too long. If Isagi is thrown into a different team, I doubt he can be as productive as Rin or Kaiser. I mean, Isagi needed Kunigami to do ANYTHING AT ALL. He couldn't coordinate with the other BM players and that's a weekness. He needed Kurona and Yukimya to make an Impact in the manshine city match, he needed hiori for yhe Uber's match. And now almost the entire team is made of bluelock players and that is the only Reason Isagi is playing at his best. Notice how every player I've mentioned is japanese and none of them are german? Isagi doesn't have the extreme 0 to 1 energy that other strikers like Rin and Kaiser have.
Correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t isagi 1v1 rin in chapter 269 and win???
Isn't charles a new gen?
in 5:43 can i get this animation?
Isagi's my favourite player🔥🧠😎⚽ but I have to say that Rin is amazing and he's only 16 he has huge potential🔥⚽ I've always said that I like Rin more as a player than Kaiser but that Kaiser was still better but regarding what Isagi said in the latest chapter I have to say that Rin has surpassed Kaiser's skill level currently/temporarily🔥 which also makes him part of the new gen XI as the LW or as the ST but kaiser will become even better than Rin he also has too much potential and he has a cool name🔥😎 but eventually Rin will surpass him again before the end of the series
Rin is very close for the title of ng11
I agree about isagi with you
I would like to see nagi,chigiri,bachira and barou there too
Isn't charls also new gen 11?
No he is not, He lacks the experience of being a striker, He has the potential but he is not there yet.
He is too young, but he ll probably get the title. I don t think, Blue Lock ll win the first World Cup. We ll see Charle as gen 11
The moment Rin also gets Metavision, it will be over, and people who disagree with me again, even though I told people that Karasu would get MV as well, need to understand that if Karasu has it now, Rin will surely have it too.
Nowhere does it state that, if you're a Genius, you can't use it. Karasu was the most vital piece that I needed for the chain of pieces to follow and fall into place in order for Isagi to fully unlock his own inner Genius and complete his awakening.
There is still hope.
Doesn't he already have it?
@@theoneeditor399 Where does it state or show that he does?
@@eZeero Ι just thought he did since his predictive capabilities rival Isagi's
@@theoneeditor399 That's fair. I also thought of that before.
But, the reason he (Rin) doesn't have it yet makes sense.
Because chronologically, he has been going against teams that didn't have Metavision users yet.
When PxG went against Ubers, Niko and Aiku didn't have Metavision yet.
When PxG went against Manshine, Nagi wasn't in the game and Reo was only using it in Flow State subconsciously.
Snuffy being in the game for 3 minutes isn't enough for Rin to latch onto what he is going either, because time is too short and it's because he is a master striker, so it's a given that he would be something else entirely.
Rin was constantly trying to learn about his inner ego all that time, so reverting back wasn't on his mind yet.
However, now that he knows about his own ego and the trigger, he might reconsider given how he is being read and stopped by even someone like Igarashi.
Unlocking Metavision is something that he could do since like Noa said it "He is charging in without thinking" which is why someone as feeble as Igarashi was so effective against his destructive style.
You guys in the comments who do you think will become the best midfielder in the world based on FULL POTENTIAL rank these 3
Sae Charles Reo
I really like Reo for the player he can become he's a genius a playmaker a goalscorer has almost perfect stats all around(A) has metavision😂 and is the most versatile😎 plus he has the chameoleon in his back pocket🔥 this guy's too broken
Charles's stats are insane and he's only 15✨ how good will he be at 18 he's going to become a great playmaker and rival for isagi and will probably go for his own goals too🔥⚽🧠 97 passing😂🔥
Sae is my 3rd favourite player he's too cool and has aura🔥 he's too good while holding back his dribbling shooting passing vision crossing and technique are 🔥🔥 Imagine how this guy is when gets serious or at full potential🧠⚽
I really like kaiser his dope and badass🔥 so you guys in the comments who's going to be the best striker(pure no 9) and the better player based on full potential
The Emperor Kaiser or The King Barou im choosing kaiser🔥⚽🧠😎(isagi 2.0) but I do like the king his badass too😎⚽💪
Kaiser's my 5th favourite player and Barou's my 6th favourite player
Ngl I thought all of the new world 11 was already decided. I thought that the author only wanted to showcase 3 for now💀
Its probably still that way. This video isn't trying to suggest it isn't.
nobodys going to officially give rin new gen 11 status but its obvious his skill is at that level now with kaiser and isagi needing to team up to beat him
Saying non meta vision Rin has better vision than meta vision Aiku and Niko is bs. You have to be blind asf to not realize how much Rin’s composure and IQ have dropped since 2nd selection
I thought you would cover barou(I think he does deserve the new gen 11 level
You guys in the comments how good do u think my boy isagi will become at the end of the series🔥😁 and he too will be part of the new gen XI
Regarding the new gen XI for the future here's my predicted lineup
Kaiser Rin Nagi
Charles Sae Isagi
Chigiri Lorenzo Aiku ...................
Gagamaru🔥
Chigiri might lose his spot idk Reo Will definitely become a better CB and either replace Lorenzo or Aiku in this team and there will be a best young RB(who's not Japanese)
Gagamaru will probably become the best GK in history(imagine being a striker like him that Has 95 defence🔥😂)
But can he beat goku
I believe Karasu will be the next New Gen XI Player
yup he's soo good
PFFFF come on karasu stocks in big december
i agree
i still dont think rin is better then kaise sure he stole the ball off a non evolved kaiser so did kaiser
isagi and kaiser are literally double teaming rin right now and have been since the start of the game rin is NG11+ atp
Kaiser already stated he wanted to surpass Rin.
If rin wasnt better than Kaiser, Kaiser would have never considered teaming up with isagi
If Rin is willingly trying to destroy Kaiser then I’m 100% sure that Kaiser is cooked
Bro does NOT read the manga
Bro Shidou, Barou and Isagi are all New Gen 11 level because look at Snuffy and Ego both their playstyle match Isagi you saying Isagi isn't is just silly bro like you can be the best without 1v1 not only that but your boy Rin is easy to read if two talented learner work together like he becomes worthless not only that but Isagi since has kept up with Shidou, Kaiser and normal Rin since the start of this match like were did your analysis come from.
Wait but isn’t Charles next gen XI?
he is not
@ so then what is he ?
@ a super genius like Nagi
U have a good pov abt rin being a good player n deserves to be a new gen 11 but idk he’s the same level as Kaiser actually I totally disagree on him being the same level as rin Kaiser is one of the best players out there n rin can’t easily be on kaisers level his presence is more powerful than rin his empact. What makes rin strong is Charles n the whole team is supporting him that what made him strong n if u want my opinion I think that name is on the same level as rin u can see that clearly in the u20 match if isagi is considered rin rival then rin is not stronger than Kaiser or at least they’re both in the same level
Bruh, the team is literally divided into two factions, Charles refuses to pass most of the time, and even when he does it's the most annoying pass. Rin dribbled past the entire bastard defence line on his own, and It took both Kaiser and Isagi just to stop Rin.
BAROU SHOEI
He's GOOD. But I don't think he is there YET.
Rin is defo better than kaiser. Sure kaiser is better at shooting than rin, but overall rin slightly edges out kaiser
Definitely, Kaiser is the best U20 striker when it comes to shooting but Rin is overall a better player
Definitely DEPENDS:
Rin has better one v one play styles whilst kaiser prefers to use teammates.
Similar to a hiyori vs shidou.
Kaiser however is a far better defender makes better decisions and is a better team player essentially. Meanwhile rin is better individually.
This was the whole point of world vs individual ego.
I say kaiser is better because soccer is a 11 v 11.
Also without a doubt kaiser is the better striker pred eye + impact is the best scoring weapon we’ve seen. Kaiser is a more balanced team player rin is a balanced individual player
Kaiser himself being ng11 is so questionable in terms of feats
Like it’s actually insane how hard Lorenzo completely violates him
Like Lorenzo is straight on another different tier of a character compared to Kaiser imo
Like Ngl I don’t even consider kaiser anymore, since it’s weird Loki isn’t considered the NG11 striker even tho his under 20 And by far the best striker in the verse in terms of feats (ofc Noa is better but I’m saying Loki has better feats)
honestly what feats do we REALLY have to say that Lorenzo is drastically better than Kaiser? I mean he basically just does what Kunigami does to Shidou. Does that imply that Kunigami is way better than Shidou?
@ what Lorenzo did to Kaiser is ALOT different than what kunigami did to shidou
Kaiser has been stated to be an insane off the ball player and extremely fast
Lorenzo straight up stopped kaiser best move the kaiser impact after it’s already left his foot, completely denied him the ball the entire match
Shidou got the ball while kunigami was still meant to be guarding him
Let’s not forget while Lorenzo was putting on a clamp sesssion on kaiser he was also then controlling the offense and dribbling past BM like they weren’t even there…
Then of course the fact not a single BM player beat Lorenzo in a 1v1 the entire match, Lorenzo also of course completely stopping the entire offense of BM multiple times
ALL WHILE completely making kaiser a non factor…
Let’s not pretend what kunigami and Lorenzo did were even comparable…
Like Lorenzo gaps kaiser so hard, it makes me actually question how tf kaiser is called the NG11 striker in a anime about strikers…
And of course he did all of this without any awakening throughout the match, or any plot devices or any flow state…
@ are we not gonna act like Shidou isnt an insane OTB player and insanely fast? Also shidou didnt get the ball once when kunigami was marking him. Im not denying your other points though
@ shidou lost kunigami
Like yes when shidou got the ball kunigami wasn’t there
But the reason he wasn’t there is because of shidou not because kunigami chose to not be there
The ONLY time kaiser got the ball was when Lorenzo himself had to go cover another area
Kaiser himself did nothing in that situation
Also kaiser speed stat is I think higher than Shidou and it’s a lot harder to contain a meta vision user who’s on a team with a lot of other meta vision level players that can pass extremely well so even a tiny gap could be exploited
but isagi prove you wrong since prodigies can beat genise
Lorenzo locked up Kaiser and rendered him useless, so I dont think Kaiser is above Lorenzo. I think Sae is also above Kaiser, because Sae is just Isagi on steroids
Lorenzo locked up a different version of Kaiser but I honestly would tend to agree with Sae take, Lorenzo would locked up just about anyone that’s below the new gen 11 level! Kaiser once he was free scored right away.
always good to see the defenders getting their respects
sucks that Loki broke the story though 😂 he might be the final obstacle for everyone if he beats Germany of course
Sae is not " isagi " on steroids , stop undervaluing isagi..
I still think most of your videos are really goofy, but this idea isn’t a bad one.
😂😂
Bro isagi literally beat rin,barou,nagi and kaiser 1v1 are you really following up with blue lock?
can you give me the moments that they happened?
isagi is better then rin, he just couldent tap back into god vision
Rin can only do these things to Kaiser because throughout the PXG match Kaiser has been under pressure and is not his cool and collected self
no?
This sounds like coping
if my goat gagamaru aint the new gen XI goalkeeper then imma gonna have a problem with author
He's not lol.
@@ruhanverma6145 then who is ?
@@gameBOT748 That's the wrong question. Just because we haven't seen any other goalies in the series doesn't mean Gagamaru HAS to be the best U20. Because tye definition of NG11 is that they will become future superstars. we haven't seen any other promising Goalies to begin with so claiming that he's NG11 level is completely baseless and it doesn't even make sense considering that he was LITERALLY a striker until a few months ago in the story.
@@ruhanverma6145 did i ever say that he "is" ? no i said i will be mad if he isnt
Bro I can tell this from the video that you skip the explanation part of the chapters🤦♂️
@@ashishbharti6933 what
@@aerosassain bro you skipped the whole concept of prodigies and geniuses, you said that isagi lacked the physical abilities for 1v1 and that is true, no doubt about it. But isn't because of that isagi evolved? if you expect isagi to match the physical abilities of rin that day will not come and that's because isagi is a prodigy and rin is a genius. A genius is someone who has a very unique physical ability that can't be comprehended by logic and A prodigy is someone who adapts to them and as stated prodigies don't have the physical abilities to counter geniuses(except few like snuffy), still they are equals. that means a prodigy is never meant to defeat a genius 1v1.
that's my point
edit: that's why i think isagi is a well deserved NG11 as well
@ that means nothing, being a prodigy doesnt mean you cant be a NG11, Sae is a prodigy and is a NG11. it just comes down to Isagi’s playstyle that keeps him from reaching the title
@@aerosassain i get your point but in the previous chapter ego stated that rin and isagi survived in this world-class madness, why do you think ego mentioned only these two? That's because a genius playstyle revolves around his unexplainable physical abilities while a prodigy's playstyle revolve around his logical abilities. that is why ego only mentioned these two
This prolly the worst takes I’ve ever heard Rin is better because he stole the ball from Kaiser that just started working with blue lock 😂 using that logic Kaiser is way better for blasting a KIM right in Rin’s face and stealing the ball from him recently 🤦🏾♂️ this might be your worst takes yet
U have a good pov abt rin being a good player n deserves to be a new gen 11 but idt he’s the same level as Kaiser actually I totally disagree on him being the same level as rin Kaiser is one of the best players out there n rin can’t easily be on kaisers level his presence is more powerful than rin. What makes rin strong is Charles n the whole team is supporting him that what made him strong n if u want my opinion I think that isagi is on the same level as rin or maybe rin is just slightly skilled more than isagi but what makes rin better than isagi is that he’s a genius but isagi working hard on himself makes him unique n special n also a prodigy n u can see that clearly in the u20 match if isagi is considered rin rival then rin is not stronger than Kaiser or at least they’re both in the same level
This take is just factually incarruate
1. Isagi clearly draws a distinction and states that rin is better then him. This isnt by a slight margin its by a lot when judging both players off of individual skill its not close
2. Chapter 285 has isagi teaming up with kaiser because neither him nor kaiser can stop rin on they're own. Kaiser is revelaed to be a talented learner and to beat a genius like rin talented learners need to create chemical reactions with each other. This simply means that in a 1 on 1 situation a talented learner will always lose to a genius. This actually holds up as all the way back in the u20 game it took rin who is considered a genius to stop sae another genius in a one on one situation a feat no one else on the pitch could to a replicate which is why isagi later states in the PXG VS BM match that he'd need to become a sae itoshi level person in order to stop rin 1 on 1
3. Rin has better feats then kaiser overall and has overall better stats, based on what we've seen throughout the match rin has repeatedly gotten the better of kaiser allowing him to not only stop the kaiser impact but also flat out just stop kaisers plays dead in they're tracks. Based on all the evidence we've been given especially win isagi stating that no one on the field (excluding master strikers) can stop rin its incredibly fair to state that rin is on a different tier
4. To state that what makes rin strong is charles is completely false, The funny thing is that kaiser is the one who can't opperate without a team backing him, this is why he was begging for his team to pass to him before he scored his goal that lead to his awakening, the ability to work with others is something kaiser depends on not rin. Rin has shown time and time again thorughout the match that he is capable of taking multiple players on by himself without the need for any assistance. Need I remind you that during the vast majority of the match charles actively refused to pass to rin and was only working with shidou and only worked with rin after rin awakened. BM and PXG are teams that have 2 different systems, there is no complete system that works to support rin nor does he actively need it
5. To state kaiser has more presence then rin is also false as in the new chapter isagi states that the world was awaiting for the birth of a new genius/ new hero and that hero was rin but isagi prevented it from happening. Need i also remind you it took 3 players to stop rin's shot which still almost went in and on top of that even loki himself considers rin a genius and complements him whilst he states that kaisers ultimate weapon aka the kaiser impact is nothing impressive
Current rin based on statements, narrative, feats and just plain out common sense clears kaiser and it ain't close. Currently the standing is
Sae > Rin >> Kaiser >= Don Lorenzo >= Isagi. Sae and rin are a so definitively portrayed to be a clean cut above the rest because unlike the rest they're actual geniuses
@ lets be honest here. From one year I predicted all this by commenting in other video that pxg will be so strong for the bm that it’ll lead to isagi teaming up with Kaiser, from the first interaction between kaiser n isagi I knew that they’re gonna team up together in a way or another. If the author made isagi team up with Kaiser without a strong reason then they teaming up is useless n won’t excite us the fans. But let me tell u why Kaiser is on the same level as rin or even better
First While Rin’s individual skill is exceptional, Kaiser is better at asserting his dominance as the centerpiece of his team’s offense. His leadership style, his egotistical, ensures the team’s tactics revolve around his strengths, maximizing his influence on the game. Rin, by contrast, has struggled with leadership dynamics, especially in clashes with Isagi and others.
Secondly isagi teaming up with Kaiser doesn’t mean in any way that Kaiser is weak. Let me make it clear for u soccer is not 1 v 1 game but a 11 vs 11 if there’s no chemistry between the players or cooperation then I consider it as a futile, failure team a player depending on his teammates doesn’t makes him weak but stronger n ofc each player has his own way in playing.
Thirdly in terms of dribbling rin is better but at terms of shooting Kaiser is much more better than rin. Kaiser’s role as the ace of bm is predicated on his ability to consistently finish plays and score goals. His efficiency in front of the net is unmatched, as highlighted in multiple egoist league matches, including his battles with pxg. Rin, while versatile and adaptive, does not have a signature move on the same level. His play relies more on overall game control rather than finishing with such overwhelming dominance. Rin being capable of scoring, often focuses on controlling the tempo rather than being a pure finisher for example when he tried to copy sae goal from the u20 match instead of scoring his own.
Fourth Kaiser’s ability to read the field and manipulate the flow of the game is evident in Chapter 272, where he steals the ball from Rin. Kaiser uses his superior positioning and tactical awareness to intercept Rin’s attack, demonstrating his ability to outthink even the most skilled opponents. This moment emphasizes how Kaiser’s strategic mind sets him apart, especially when competing against someone as methodical as Rin, And btw every time rin has stopped Kaiser this match he had help from Karasu and others
See I’m not tryna say that rin is trash or weak or whatever but each one has some advantage over the other there is no a perfect player my point is that Kaiser have more experience by playing alongside Noel noa and still be able to score that means that he’s a high scale level and not any player can be compared to him. As I said each player has his own style. Why did Noa have to use isagi to evolve Kaiser to be a good rival for him?? except if he sees something in Kaiser that is not in rin, but u have to understand that in case isagi teaming up with Kaiser is happening (which did happen) there should be a good reason to it, and I think that bm still would have the chance to win against pxg even without isagi teaming up with Kaiser, but the author want something special to anticipate the fans and excite them to read the manga so he had to do it so it can be a special match as it’s the end of the neo egoist league.
@@alvn4525 Just one more point I wanted to state is that if rin had the ability to get advantages from his teammates n had the ability to cooperate with them he would be so strong n much better than Kaiser what is good abt Kaiser is that he uses his teammates for the advantage of him n his team members which would be so beneficial for his team members, honing their skills and making it visible to everyone. So to sum up Kaiser having the ability to do all that makes his presence more beneficial to his team n powerful to the opponent bc the opponent want a team that don’t get along with each other so it would be easier to destroy.
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1. I also predicted the same and I agree that a large enough threat or reason would exist to make isagi and kaiser work together however the key point your forgetting is that the threat is rin. if kaiser and isagi could stop rin on they're own and by extension win the match by they're own merits they wouldn't team up. I don't even know why were arguing this its actively stated that no one on the field can stop Rin and in 1 on 1 encounters in means that on an individual basis he is the best player on the field, its literally common sense. If I have to team up with someone else to beat someone it means that I can't beat that person on my own as if I could I wouldn't need the partnership in the first place, and this is even more evident with kaiser and isagi as they hate each other. They literally state that theyre doing this out of necessity nor precaution.
2. I fail to see how kaiser is better at asserting his dominance when he has to rely on a system to boost him. Need I remind you that unlike kaiser rin has established himself as the clear cut victor of a team's philosophy even though like kaiser he faces a similar situation with him and shidou being on the same team. Unlike kaiser its not a debate on whether or not pxg centers around rin because it does, based of feats, based of statements and the fact that even charles himself decided to side with rin makes it all the more clear. As for the leadership argument this argument is flawed given the newest chapters. The newest chapters explain the relationship between geniuses and talented learners, talented learners adapt and learn by watching and translating the players that genius come up with. By rin simply playing how he wants his team actively gets better as they take inspiration and draw plays off it. We actively see this all the way back in the u20 game when the entire match was centered around itoshi rins awakening and it was his plays either conscious or unconscious that lead the u20 team to victory. Nagi's goal was acredited to the fact that rin lead the charge by having isagi stick close by him allowing for chances to be created by the other players. So to then state that rin has less dominance or ability to lead is actively wrong as the source material actively shows us that rin is capable of easily leading by simply playing and inspiring other people to work around the plays that he creates.
- Quick side note the very reason you give for kaiser being more dominant is counter productive, as kaiser himself admits that his philosophy will never surpass that of noel noa's which is why he states that BM is forever going to be noa's team and why he came to the nel so that he could get a bid and then get transffered to another team. Furthermore the aspect of the teams phylosophy ending with the kaiser impact isn't the case anymore, and hasn't been the case since the manshine match as isagi established himself, The current team rn in the PXG match doesn't work around kaisers weapon so I don't see exactly how this point is relevant if the very same philosophy was discarded 3 matches ago.
3. I never stated that teaming up with isagi makes kaiser weak, however it does state that kaiser is willing to team up with the person whom he dispises and wants to beat in an attempt to beat an even bigger threat. Your failing to realise the significance of the team up, the fact of the matter is that both isagi and kaiser have to team up cause of necessity because neither one of them possesses the ability to beat rin and by extension win the game on they're own merits. if you have to team up with the person you hate most or simply just dispise for you to win that means that you had to resort to the last possible option meaning that neither kaiser nor isagi have the individual ability necessary to end the game, the exact same can not be said for rin as the team-up suggests that individually he can end the game which is why the chemical reaction is necessary to stop him from doing that.
4. The case of shooting is honestly debatable as shots can be different, Simply put it depends exactly how you value shots, kaisers shot is fast however is very linear which makes its course predictable, only in certain instances when the ball is stationary can he make it less predictable. Rins shots curve and are less predictable however are not as fast. Each shot is strong in they're own way and can be deadly depending on the situation given. my argument was never based on whos shot was better it was based around the fact that stat for stat rin is better then kaiser which is inarguable. Its also hard to say that infront of the goal his efficiency is unmatched considering the fact that rin has more goals then kaiser with less playing time then him cause PXG used a rotation of substitues between the 2 systems of shidou and rin. So the fact that rin has more goals in less PT means that rin has a higher efficiency and is more consistent otherwise kaiser shouldn't have less. Also to state that rin doesn't have a signature move that can rival kaiser impact is false considering destroyer mode is so potent that no one can stop him.
Im not saying Kaiser is bad, however on an invidiual basis he is not as impressive or as skilled as rin, By judging on his own merits without the intake of systems or people working for him rin simply has better feats and statement to back up the fact that currently his above kaiser. I also disagree with the sentiment that BM can win without the isagi x kaiser team up as again the latest chapters just showed that the only way to beat a geniuse's otherworldy play is to combine the strengths of 2 talented learners. Your forgetting the fact that if isagi and kaiser didn't work together alongside gagamaru rin wouldn't just scored in the last chapters and the game would already be over. My viewpoint still stands that current rin is above kaiser
@@mayadhawad807 I agree that if rin worked more with his teammates then he'd be a much better player and that kaiser does have an advantage when factoring in a team setting
Actually if rin n Kaiser consider isagi as their rival that means that he’s not an average n he can be on the same level as them. Isagi depending on his mates doesn’t mean that he’s weak every player has his own way in playing soccer by thinking abt it I think it’s even better!! Because by playing alongside with his teammates he’s showing off his teammates skill so I guess u r wrong abt this one I still have more but I’m lazy