Man, I've been watching another Elden Ring PvP guy and they're the sweatiest meta nerd I've seen who actually uses words like "scrublord" at someone but you, you're a really nice guy and I like that. It's fun
@@loubloom1941 lmao ER's more fun than DS3, I'll warrant, but DS2 PvP was definitely the least shit. ER is just DS3 but with more buttons and an actually decent PvE experience
"All they need" for the DLC is to make 2/3/4v2 happen organically within whatever space/dungeon/spot in the game, and everyone would probably be much more chill about the whole invasion thing. Not asking for a Gank City, but yeah... a Gank City of some sort, inevitably. Not as fun as just invading anywhere in a game as massive as ER - but hey, compromise, right? Or something.
@@sirrealism7300 "Probably"? What are you talking about? It's absolutely going to do nothing lol The probability they will go back on certain fundamental design choices is low. Feedback has clearly had an effect, to be sure, but there's a real limit to how much can be asked. We also don't know what that limit is though. A comment can't hurt. For all we know, DLC will have a Ringed City 2.0 with 3v2 that can't happen anywhere else and everyone will give thanks and award ER with GOTY 2023 *and* 2024.
My favorite way to play elden ring is to get a summon and progress through random parts of the world with the TT on. The run from erdtree gazing hill and the shaded castle is probably my favorite area to do that.
I just wish they add 6 player limit so we can have consistant 3v3s 3v2s 4v2s or hell even 1v5s during taunters tongue runs so co invasions become more organic
regarding 13:15 Me and my sister used to sit next to each other and invade in the same area in DS3. Since there were like 0 people, we kept getting into the same games together as co-invaders. We ain't particularly good, but together we didn't drop a game. So anecdotally I quite agree, even average invaders can spank a gank if they know each other well enough.
Enjoying your content. I don’t know if you read comments but there is a Final fantasy build I’ve been building centered on Kain Highwind from Final Fantasy 4. It’s a halberd/spear wielding faith build that used dragon cult incarnations. The Maliketh armor set really looks like Kain’s armor. If possible, could you showcase invasions using a build similar to this? Cheers!
Ive noticed a similar thing in invasions: as soon as the 3v1 becomes a 2v1 they shit themselves. Heaven forbid the 3v1 becomes a 3v2. Ive never lost a 3v2 invasion.
Hot damn the Chrono Trigger OST just slaps, shame you can't dual tech with dangitjm. I like those kind of tongue 'ganks', sure it's a 2v1 at times but they still play the level honestly, and let a second invader join in for more fun. Also not switching to the sweatiest setup as soon as they notice they're being outplayed is a good sign they're there for fun. Love to see it.
Honestly, the Tongue is what makes the gank. IMO, only solo players should be able to use it. Next best option, Tongue requires leaving one slot open for a second invader - i.e. you wouldn't be able to use it with three summons.
@monsieurdorgat6864 there's a definite difference between gankers (multiple players waiting purely to gang up on invaders) and guys like those. They keep the tongue on knowing there's 2 spaces for invaders, no blue summons, and play the level without killing everything first. Tongue doesn't necessarily mean gank, and I think a lot of experienced invaders prefer the challenge of multiple opponents, otherwise we'd just go to the arena. It would be better if there were always 2 invader spaces open when tongued, like in DS3, and definitely shouldn't be able to turn it off mid invasion, no idea why they changed that tbh.
@@184fish They changed it because DS3 levels are tiny compared to ER and synchronizing 6 players across that much space is not gonna happen well even with a good connection. But I disagree. People who actually want to progress the level will probably be happy with invasions on the normal timer. Taunters Tongue means hard gank 90% of the time. If you want a 2v2, that's what the arena is for. Invasions mean you're working with the level. If you like 1v3's or 1v2's you'll still only invade them but now you won't get sucked into the worlds of gankers as much.
@monsieurdorgat6864 dunno about connections being the only reason, without covenant invasions the max slots would be 5 which isn't much of a stretch. DS3 has some pretty big areas which work fine, the entirety of Ariandel or the Ringed City for example. I find the arena pretty dull personally, it's the chaos of invasions that make them more interesting. I've done tongue runs playing through the game and it makes it way more fun than just replaying to set up builds. I'd rather invade a couple of people like this, playing the game for fun but still competent, than just steamroll a couple of new players, or 'duel' a solo host using a tongue, rune and standing outside the shack in Liurnia. Actual gankers are so different to these guys that it's not even a comparison.
@@184fish Again, the covenants come after the netcode. Ariandel/Ringed City aren't that big - sight lines are small and thus the game doesn't need to load or sync as much, and the areas between boss fogs in them are the size of Legacy Dungeons in Elden Ring. But it absolutely involves way larger packets to sync players in the overworld, where an invader could be literally on the opposite side of a huge map. And what I am suggesting, you would still invade those people. In fact, you'd invade more people actually progressing the game and not gankers, because you're invading them for co-oping and not because they used the tongue. Solo hosts would still have access to blue summons too, which would be the point. Bonfire duelists are boring, but you won't have them more often than normal and they don't actively make invasions painful or toxic.
I really like it when you upload a lot. Makes me feel like a spry young lad again. PVP content just hasn't been the same since Elden Ring dropped. It feels sparse and less enthusiastic. You're the only one still throwing me back to 2016.
I played Dark Souls when my internet was ass so I didn't get to participate in much PvP back then so ER's been my PvP time. The ER PvP scene feels very bitter lol
@@Pinyapsmuch of that bitterness is the realization that from isn't that focused on pvp, they never have been but now it's more clear. Fine with me but the PVPers are not happy.
@@loubloom1941 Kinda sad how they have such a unique mechanic and not play around with it. The only game that actually put an effort in was DS2 in that regard.
It annoys me how FROM caters to gankers in recent games. People pretend they just want to coop with friends yet instead of going to the boss door or going through the game, they camp bonfires/Grace instead. I had a 30 minute SL 150 invasion with a host playing elevator games being passive with his PW summon friends who I had to kill twice, plus 4 blues in between. It’s honestly pathetic how bad they made invasions.
You're looking at it from an invaders perspective. From is going to prioritize clueless nerds just playing the game having some fail safe over invaders getting an impressive K/D ratio. Dedicated gankers are going to abuse that but that's the price you pay to keep honest co-opers alive and having fun. Except being able to turn off the Taunters Tongue. Just a bad, dumb decision. Thats a mistake honest co-opers would only make once.
@@MK-vi2cmtheir playing the intended way too? What are they supposed to fight you one at a time? 😂 No you wanna invade you can deal with two or three dudes
On the topic of two decent invaders cooperating. I really wish that we could do a "seamless coop" mod like playthrough but still have invaders. I've played the entire series since release with coop on my second runs and somehow Elden Ring is the most hassle out of all of them to do a coop though with open invasions. Host needs to use a furled finger(every time, even if you didn't die last, why), summon the friend, remember to use the tauters tongue, and the average sub-area in ER is much shorter but more of them than previous games. And if you're a solo host wanting invasions, it's still the same dance with just activating the tongue.
Getting ganked on by dual invaders also makes taunters tongue extremely annoying, because to avoid that you have to use taunters tongue *again* after the first red spawns in, and then there's the whole issue of having to explain why you have taunter's on in the first place. Just a bad system all around.
As much as I would love the option to team up with friends while invading, I agree with Saint about why that wouldn't be good. Also with things working the way they currently are, it's like a mini Avengers moment when two skilled, well-known PvPers like Saint and jm end up in the same invasion. It always gets me hyped. Being able to consistently choose to invade alongside a specific person with a password would kind of ruin that.
Not sure how it works on PC/Xbox but you can assign 6 gestures to hold triangle then move your controller. I just do one gesture so I'm not accidentally emoting when I try to pull a lever.
Did SchwaAkari's Akari Chronicles ever finish? Where is part 11.5/12 with TRC content? Has it been scrubbed? I just watched all other episodes. So sad not seeing the conclusion of the journies of Akari of Sabbath
The comment about "playing super passive" is relatable. I keep on running into these taunter's tongue solo bonfire duelist hosts who literally only react. Super annoying. I win a decent amount of the matchups (at least 50-50), but holy shit, they are the worst fights ever.
Unfortunately for them... it IS Sayne Ryan
Shout out to King Arthur and Lancelot for being honest co-opers, a rare sight.
The Dangitjm cameos are ALWAYS great! I saw you in his Rennala video, and your "Go back to crying about your ex-husband!" line had me _cackling_ !!
Man, I've been watching another Elden Ring PvP guy and they're the sweatiest meta nerd I've seen who actually uses words like "scrublord" at someone but you, you're a really nice guy and I like that.
It's fun
Having fun is a lost PvP technique not seen since DS2
@monsieurdorgat6864 ds2 pvp is garbage. There's plenty of fun pvp to be had in the other games, especially ER. More so than in ds2.
@@loubloom1941 Fromsoft pvp in general is trash
@@loubloom1941 lmao ER's more fun than DS3, I'll warrant, but DS2 PvP was definitely the least shit. ER is just DS3 but with more buttons and an actually decent PvE experience
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"All they need" for the DLC is to make 2/3/4v2 happen organically within whatever space/dungeon/spot in the game, and everyone would probably be much more chill about the whole invasion thing. Not asking for a Gank City, but yeah... a Gank City of some sort, inevitably. Not as fun as just invading anywhere in a game as massive as ER - but hey, compromise, right? Or something.
I'm high school friends with Miyazaki, I'll shoot him a text and let him know.
@@loubloom1941 Don't forget to send some feet pics to sweeten the deal
@@loubloom1941 With shades like those I can tell you're legit.
Maybe just wait and be patient, your youtube comment is probably not gonna do anything whatsoever lmao
@@sirrealism7300 "Probably"? What are you talking about? It's absolutely going to do nothing lol
The probability they will go back on certain fundamental design choices is low. Feedback has clearly had an effect, to be sure, but there's a real limit to how much can be asked. We also don't know what that limit is though. A comment can't hurt.
For all we know, DLC will have a Ringed City 2.0 with 3v2 that can't happen anywhere else and everyone will give thanks and award ER with GOTY 2023 *and* 2024.
The wandering backstab is CRAZY
They never shoulda given this man his meanderstabs back
The circle backstab in the second invasion was awesome. It looked like y’all were dancing.
My favorite way to play elden ring is to get a summon and progress through random parts of the world with the TT on. The run from erdtree gazing hill and the shaded castle is probably my favorite area to do that.
I just wish they add 6 player limit so we can have consistant 3v3s 3v2s 4v2s or hell even 1v5s during taunters tongue runs so co invasions become more organic
@0Freddo95 im everywhere
8:40 that’s such a big reference it made me happy. The peaple that knows, know.
"I'm not outspaced R2 R2" friggin hilarious!
6 player maps in dlc please
Gankers have been paying the price since 2009 and they gonan *KEEP* paying it baby woooo!
regarding 13:15 Me and my sister used to sit next to each other and invade in the same area in DS3. Since there were like 0 people, we kept getting into the same games together as co-invaders. We ain't particularly good, but together we didn't drop a game. So anecdotally I quite agree, even average invaders can spank a gank if they know each other well enough.
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Enjoying your content. I don’t know if you read comments but there is a Final fantasy build I’ve been building centered on Kain Highwind from Final Fantasy 4. It’s a halberd/spear wielding faith build that used dragon cult incarnations. The Maliketh armor set really looks like Kain’s armor. If possible, could you showcase invasions using a build similar to this? Cheers!
Ive noticed a similar thing in invasions: as soon as the 3v1 becomes a 2v1 they shit themselves. Heaven forbid the 3v1 becomes a 3v2. Ive never lost a 3v2 invasion.
Hahaha you said "safe as a baby" ... Then your invader buddy walks right up to the explosion...
Hot damn the Chrono Trigger OST just slaps, shame you can't dual tech with dangitjm.
I like those kind of tongue 'ganks', sure it's a 2v1 at times but they still play the level honestly, and let a second invader join in for more fun. Also not switching to the sweatiest setup as soon as they notice they're being outplayed is a good sign they're there for fun. Love to see it.
Honestly, the Tongue is what makes the gank.
IMO, only solo players should be able to use it. Next best option, Tongue requires leaving one slot open for a second invader - i.e. you wouldn't be able to use it with three summons.
@monsieurdorgat6864 there's a definite difference between gankers (multiple players waiting purely to gang up on invaders) and guys like those. They keep the tongue on knowing there's 2 spaces for invaders, no blue summons, and play the level without killing everything first.
Tongue doesn't necessarily mean gank, and I think a lot of experienced invaders prefer the challenge of multiple opponents, otherwise we'd just go to the arena. It would be better if there were always 2 invader spaces open when tongued, like in DS3, and definitely shouldn't be able to turn it off mid invasion, no idea why they changed that tbh.
@@184fish They changed it because DS3 levels are tiny compared to ER and synchronizing 6 players across that much space is not gonna happen well even with a good connection.
But I disagree. People who actually want to progress the level will probably be happy with invasions on the normal timer. Taunters Tongue means hard gank 90% of the time. If you want a 2v2, that's what the arena is for. Invasions mean you're working with the level. If you like 1v3's or 1v2's you'll still only invade them but now you won't get sucked into the worlds of gankers as much.
@monsieurdorgat6864 dunno about connections being the only reason, without covenant invasions the max slots would be 5 which isn't much of a stretch. DS3 has some pretty big areas which work fine, the entirety of Ariandel or the Ringed City for example.
I find the arena pretty dull personally, it's the chaos of invasions that make them more interesting. I've done tongue runs playing through the game and it makes it way more fun than just replaying to set up builds. I'd rather invade a couple of people like this, playing the game for fun but still competent, than just steamroll a couple of new players, or 'duel' a solo host using a tongue, rune and standing outside the shack in Liurnia. Actual gankers are so different to these guys that it's not even a comparison.
@@184fish Again, the covenants come after the netcode. Ariandel/Ringed City aren't that big - sight lines are small and thus the game doesn't need to load or sync as much, and the areas between boss fogs in them are the size of Legacy Dungeons in Elden Ring. But it absolutely involves way larger packets to sync players in the overworld, where an invader could be literally on the opposite side of a huge map.
And what I am suggesting, you would still invade those people. In fact, you'd invade more people actually progressing the game and not gankers, because you're invading them for co-oping and not because they used the tongue. Solo hosts would still have access to blue summons too, which would be the point. Bonfire duelists are boring, but you won't have them more often than normal and they don't actively make invasions painful or toxic.
got damn, you talking some good positive truth and inspirational thoughts in this one. Love it
I, too, love it when the good guys win.
that last invasion was goated basically faith vs int
I really like it when you upload a lot. Makes me feel like a spry young lad again.
PVP content just hasn't been the same since Elden Ring dropped. It feels sparse and less enthusiastic.
You're the only one still throwing me back to 2016.
I played Dark Souls when my internet was ass so I didn't get to participate in much PvP back then so ER's been my PvP time.
The ER PvP scene feels very bitter lol
Pvp in general of all these games has dropped. ER just happens to be bearing the brunt of that drop.
@@Pinyapsmuch of that bitterness is the realization that from isn't that focused on pvp, they never have been but now it's more clear. Fine with me but the PVPers are not happy.
@@loubloom1941 Kinda sad how they have such a unique mechanic and not play around with it. The only game that actually put an effort in was DS2 in that regard.
Dear Sane Ryan I’d love another session of Dungeons and Dragons
Nothing screams good content like Bruce from Family Guy in the intro. Btw you’re the best, idk if anyone told you today!
It annoys me how FROM caters to gankers in recent games. People pretend they just want to coop with friends yet instead of going to the boss door or going through the game, they camp bonfires/Grace instead. I had a 30 minute SL 150 invasion with a host playing elevator games being passive with his PW summon friends who I had to kill twice, plus 4 blues in between. It’s honestly pathetic how bad they made invasions.
That's the price you pay for invading.
@@loubloom1941 yeah we're the bad guys for playing the game in one of its intended ways
You're looking at it from an invaders perspective. From is going to prioritize clueless nerds just playing the game having some fail safe over invaders getting an impressive K/D ratio. Dedicated gankers are going to abuse that but that's the price you pay to keep honest co-opers alive and having fun.
Except being able to turn off the Taunters Tongue. Just a bad, dumb decision. Thats a mistake honest co-opers would only make once.
@@MK-vi2cmtheir playing the intended way too? What are they supposed to fight you one at a time? 😂 No you wanna invade you can deal with two or three dudes
Let 14:41 be a reminder to the lot of you, the universal language for "apologizing" to your co-invader is t-bagging them. Haha! GGs
"when the good guys win" unbelivebly based
4:30 Yo he straight up ambulated poor elaine!
4:28 that was so dirty oh my god, its like running to the left of a curved greatsword user they cant do anything about it lmao
God, how much i love this track!
Frog is the canon protagonist in the pantheon of Saint Riot characters
dawdled to death - my man's unhinged and i love it
The way you say "Sayne Ryan" is like drugs to my ears
On the topic of two decent invaders cooperating. I really wish that we could do a "seamless coop" mod like playthrough but still have invaders. I've played the entire series since release with coop on my second runs and somehow Elden Ring is the most hassle out of all of them to do a coop though with open invasions.
Host needs to use a furled finger(every time, even if you didn't die last, why), summon the friend, remember to use the tauters tongue, and the average sub-area in ER is much shorter but more of them than previous games.
And if you're a solo host wanting invasions, it's still the same dance with just activating the tongue.
Getting ganked on by dual invaders also makes taunters tongue extremely annoying, because to avoid that you have to use taunters tongue *again* after the first red spawns in, and then there's the whole issue of having to explain why you have taunter's on in the first place. Just a bad system all around.
That jump at 11:13 is sick my dude
As much as I would love the option to team up with friends while invading, I agree with Saint about why that wouldn't be good. Also with things working the way they currently are, it's like a mini Avengers moment when two skilled, well-known PvPers like Saint and jm end up in the same invasion. It always gets me hyped. Being able to consistently choose to invade alongside a specific person with a password would kind of ruin that.
god this makes me want an invading buddy so bad that looks so fun
Too bad this isnt Ds3 anymore :(
@@dogmadude1399thank God this isn't ds3
@@loubloom1941 honestly yeah
I don't need any more bow glitches
Thank you, sir. These people desperately need to be humbled. You, sir, are a BadRedMan treasure.
You should make a heavy load build, just a unit of a man
You just inspired me
Ever heard the one about the farmer and his smart cows? He always tells people they're outstanding in their field
4:50 Murder, Arson and Jaywalking
How do u use gesture without opening the menu? is this a PS5 thing?
Not sure how it works on PC/Xbox but you can assign 6 gestures to hold triangle then move your controller. I just do one gesture so I'm not accidentally emoting when I try to pull a lever.
Did SchwaAkari's Akari Chronicles ever finish? Where is part 11.5/12 with TRC content? Has it been scrubbed? I just watched all other episodes. So sad not seeing the conclusion of the journies of Akari of Sabbath
The comment about "playing super passive" is relatable.
I keep on running into these taunter's tongue solo bonfire duelist hosts who literally only react. Super annoying. I win a decent amount of the matchups (at least 50-50), but holy shit, they are the worst fights ever.
"I am goddamn Jaws" 👏👏👏
Music list?
The wrecking of all time!
RED BOILIN'
Strolled on XD
naginata + cannon shield looked pretty cool though ngl
absolutely gallivanted, lmao
It's Frog :)
Girl got sauntered on
Blessed with a video again
tHIS IS A CERTIFIED HOOD CLASSIC
I appreciate the CAPS LOCK version of this comment.
Nice mix up
Saint, please! By the time you release a 1.09 video we will be duking it out on 1.10
Another Saint W
The content I crave
I think 6:50 "Noah" is the worst player I've ever seen
Long life to Ryan
Ohh roger
R2, are too
Sane Ryan does it again
Is this type of invasion crazy...no, It's sane, try it.
backstapm
JM aka mr. "I'll spoil you the ending of a game if I don't want you to buy it"
guess what. I bought it *because* of that.
I'm so disappointed. The intro made me think Lindsey Graham was guest featuring.
saint if you want to flirt with a tgirl just lmk
I'd like to see you 1 v 1 Chase the bro. Then see who's the best.