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My father is a retired police officer. He says police can only be useful if they remain part of the community. American police are taught to intimidate and control. British police are trained to relate to people.
Police need to be in and part of the community / it’s the only way to know why there is crime, who is committing it, and getting folk to inform.
relate my arse , london police letting hamas supporters riot and protest while peaceful english people get arrested
For years that's how community policing in the UK has worked, policing by consent not control. But the sad thing is that increased politicising by politicians and senior officers of policing, especially around perceived sensitivities with minorities, protests and so-called 'petty' crime, is forcing gaps to open up between police and the community they serve in many places now.
Funny how many don't respond to the training! Too many UK police are insufferably arrogant. Catch them in one of their all-too-frequent mistakes and the blustering reaches epic proportions.
@@coldwhite4240The right wing ruling conservatives and Labour right, don't like anyone else to have rights. They want to own you.
I remember hearing a story about a woman who made friends with the homless community. One day, one of the men stopped her to tell her a man was following her. She didn't even see him. The homeless are invisible. So they see stuff most people miss.
Well said.
I am an ex Police Officer from the UK. I served the public for 22yrs and 6mths. I retired due to age, at that time 55 years was the limit and pensions kicked in. Prior to that I served in the British Army for nearly 16 years. The key word I used their was 'Served the public'. I have known so many villains in my time, but, I never, ever, over stepped the mark. You have to serve with compassion and empathy, you have to understand the ppl for whom you took your oath, promised to protect. Failing to do so is failing society. I have been kicked, punched, stabbed, spat at, ran over, had shot guns put in my face and told to F off. the thing is, if you act straight away then absolute reactions occur. This is the british Police way. There is always another day, may be not tomorrow or next week, but we generally always catch up with the offender and put them before the courts. I have seen many American Police video's and cringe at what i see. I understand the gun problems you have over the pond, exact a different response, but i do not see much compassion for your fellow citizens, every word spoken to a membe of the public is like an order. I just fail to understand most things US cops do. It might be just me and my understanding of the word SERVE.
British police are weak now..........they let protestors run over them (unless they're protesting against Islam, then they get battered), they've given up on burglars........just look at the stats. Never on the streets. Weak political pawns of a left-wing state.
Respect to you, from Australia. The police in my state are the same, mostly.
I'm from one the most deprived area's of Sheffield and I can safely say the police there have been brilliant. I've had a handful of encounters with them, usually I stay on the right side of the law, but the times where I have been in the wrong the police have been extremely understanding.
I would definitely vote in more funding for the police. British public services have been amazing and we should stand proud with them and support them when ever we can.
Policing in the UK would be even better with more funding, cuts have ruined community policing.
I grew up on a council estate in the late 90’s/early 2000’s so I’m sure you can imagine the petty stuff we used to get up to, but the officers knew us, they knew when to just let their presence known in a friendly way and act with a bit of discretion, when to keep an eye from a distance and when to act. But knowing the people in the area was key.
The dispersal law that came in just after i ‘grew up’ has done more damage than good with community policing,
There were times we would be 10-20 strong drinking, smoking, but if we weren’t causing issue, we were left to it, they were always about the police, but never overbearing, and on the times we were being a bit disruptive, a quick word and an explanation of what was going to happen next if we didn’t quieten down or move.
Respect is reciprocated.
lol the British police don’t serve the public anymore they just serve government and are nothing more than government thugs now
Police Officer here, the caution - specifically the part "But it may harm your defence if you do not mention when questioned something which you later rely on in court" is basically saying if you don't mention something that later becomes relevant and you raise it in court, it could call into question your credibility.
My bud in the RMP said if you get into hot water, save your explanation for the station if you're headed there, because if you explain it twice or more and they don't match you're only going to make things worse
You ve missed the first part "You have the right to remain silent ".The right to silence still exists and is appropriate in interview dependent on circumstances before "but it may harm your defence if you do not mention when questioned something you later rely on in court " . Plus just get a Duty Solicitor we are there to do a job and protect against any officer who thinks it's a good idea to breach PACE .
BTW Duty solicitor here , somewhat worried a Police Officer hasn't posted that the basic right to silence exists.
@@sarahbarnard7294Sorry, my mum used to work in the force and I can no longer ask her anything, what's PACE?
Sheffield is middle of the country (Yorkshire) not close to London in terms of UK.
Your reaction to the man taking his coat off neatly encapsulates the fact that Americans have the freedom to buy and use guns ... whilst people living in every other first-world democracy have the freedom of not having to worry about guns at all.
ha!Exactly!
it happens but nowhere are you at risk of gun crime like usa, knife crime is really high now though.
Switzerland as very similar gun laws to America. They just have better systems and living standards
@@ticklemetrout9625 and better education.
Sounds like a coward who likes living under authoritarianism.
A wake up call for me was when I gave an American colleague a lift home a few years ago. She freaked out when I overtook a police car. To me, I was just passing a slower car, to her is was an act of aggression towards the police. She was amazed that we weren't at least pulled over.
Same! I had some relatives over from the US. And it was the same scenario. They started yelling when i blinked out to pass the cop car, and i had no idea what was going on. Was a weird conversation afterwards. They couldn't understand what it was like here, and i couldn't wrap my head around how it was over there. Don't know if it is relevant, but my overseas relatives are also all white.
which just goes to show that american police use fear and intimidation and literally try and scare people into obeying the law. As long as you aren't going over the speed limit there shouldn't be a reason to be scared to overtake a police car that is going slower than you. The only time you should slow down for the police is if their sirens are on.
That's not to say our coppers are perfect and don't use intimidation. But at the end of the day, most know they are just people like the rest of us.
its called protecting and serving. if you aren't afraid of your police force, and they aren't afraid of you, then you literally have nothing to fear, even if you've done something wrong.
I've seen uk armed response literally take a guy in who was going to blow up a hospital in the nicest way, asking if he was okay, asking him to put cuffs on for his safety. and he had a gun.
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Only bad people use fear and intimidation to get what they want, so what does that tell you about US police. you shouldn't be fearful of your police force.
If they're treating something as slight as overtaking as aggression then that is a flat-out abuse of power and bullying the public.
@@D0S81what does the public use against the US police? Fear and intimidation. Most of the basic questioning I’ve seen US cops do have been answered by the civilian being argumentative about “their rights” and constantly trying to catch the cop out & get them in trouble for something, etc. You can’t act like US police aggressiveness comes out of nowhere ‘just because they’re bad people’ the entire public culture @ them is overly aggressive. Not to mention everyone and their mother have guns, so it’s not like they as police officers have any special enforcement that other people don’t - if anything they have less if someone wants to pre-meditatively prepare something
I've done 95mph in front of the police on the a14. I was passing a line of about 8 lorries in a row when police came up behind with lights on clearly in a rush. I was only doing 75mp[h at first, but as there was nowhere to pull in between the lorries I just put my foot down to clear them. I got a wave of thanks when they came past me after the lorries.
I used to work with an American lad who was in the army and then joined the police force when he was still over there before he moved to the UK, he summed up the problem with American policing in one sentence: "In the army I was trained to wound and suppress the enemy, when I joined the police force I was trained to kill."
yes because in a military scenario, you are not trying to expose yourself to the enemy on your own, and you're usually firing at someone to advance someone else or to hold them down. the real reason they teach you to kill in the police is because none of those things are the case in that situation, you're usually firing at people point blank with no ability to "supress" them unless you're willing to risk your life to do so. I do not see the logic in your post.
@@JustJakenStuff I think he's pointing out that that is the case in America, and in this context its a contrast to British police not being trained to kill, but trained to disarm and de-escalate. Coming from Northern Ireland I was shocked in England to see that police dont carry guns most of the time.
The thing that absolutely horrifies me about American police officers is the bad language they use as a matter of course. How can you gain respect when you show none ? Aggressive confrontation appears to be the first reaction as opposed to polite interaction.
Ooh clutch your pearls deary. Its life for gods sake. I do not see American police using bad languages AS A MATTER OF COURSE. I'm Irish so I've no vested interest. Sometimes stress brings out bad language, especially if you are dealing with potentially armed and dangerous criminals who are generally using that language TOWARDS THE COP. if BAD LANGUAGE is what HORRIFIES about ANY police force you've led a very sheltered life .
The problem with that approach is it's reciprocal and escalating the situation rather than de-escalating it.
Yeah I find that very jarring. If you are a suspect here in the UK, the police will be reasonable and willing to talk to you before they arrest you, and use discretion and take all factors of a situation into account. They will do absolutely everything they can to NOT get into a hands-on use of force. They have patience and will try to calm everyone down before anything physical happens, and not even raise their voices unless it's absolutely necessary. They will only physically overpower someone if they are completely forced to so beyond any doubt.
It seems to me that the American police interaction begins with barking orders, screaming at people to immediately get on the ground, and cuffing the suspect. They seem to go straight for using force very early in the interaction. Some of them go WAY over the top and hurt people for no good reason. That's just the way it is over there, due to guns and fear mostly I think. The problem is that it creates major animosity between the community and the police. It seems to me that the police demand respect in the USA, but in the UK the respect is earned. They aren't part of the community like they are in the UK - they are feared by the community and regulate it by force.
@@marietighe6328 I don't know if American police use bad language, but I think an Officer of the Law should be someone the Community they serve can respect. It gives them the Authority to do their job. Policemen are trained to handle situations that 'civilians' are not. Of course they suffer from stress, but in the UK the Police serves the Community by Consent. Sinking to the lowest common denominator is hardly helpful to anyone. You saw how these policemen in this video behaved. None were abusive, but none accepted bad language being used towards the police or even in general conversation in their presence. I thought the police behaved in an exemplary manner and showed respect towards the people they inter faced with. In turn, I have nothing but respect for these frontline bobbies. I am sorry you can't understand that. There is no pearl clutching here deary and no one leading a very sheltered life, unfortunately.
The difference between 2yrs training and a few weeks.
That took courage, Connor. Vulnerability is difficult anywhere, but it's somewhat less dangerous in the UK than the US.
The caution is that "it may harm your defence if you do not mention something that you later rely on in court". You can stay silent but you will damage your case if you suddenly claim something while in court that can clear you; you should have mentioned that from the outset to allow investigation, and the court is free (likely) to interpret that as a dishonest defence.
For example, failing to tell them you have an alibi during questioning, but later raise it as part of your defence in court.
@@Rachel_M_ Exactly, and better put than I did.
Naa, to me it means you should stay silent, otherwise you might harm your defence if you do say something without legal advice. It can't harm your defence if you stay silent. Everyone knows you shouldn't speak until you have a solicitor, so just explain that in court.
@@PedroConejo1939 I stood on the shoulders of giants 😉.
If you hadn't made your comment, I wouldn't have thought of a specific example.
Happy new year buddy. Much love ♥
@@c_n_bThat's probably OK, but it raises questions if you don't mention your alibi until you are actually in court.
I’m a volunteer Appropriate Adult in South Yorkshire including the City of Sheffield. I get called out to care for vulnerable people being held in police custody. Since starting this a year ago, I’ve been surprised at just how multi facetted people can be. Even violent criminals can be pleasant and social if talked to in the right way. Police and Detention Officers get more from a detained person, by treating them humanely. Having lost the embarrassment of talking to the homeless, when meeting them on the street I always stop to chat. What they want from me most is music! I play requests on my phone.
A programme I watched (I _think_ it was) about Dennis Nilsen, bears out what you say. Even according to some of the detectives who spent a lot of time interviewing him.
I used to volunteer as an Appropriate Adult too, though in my area 25 years ago, I was mainly required to be involved in supporting people with learning disabilities or mental health issues during their police interviews….. the range of vulnerabilities and societal problems has certainly increased over the years 😢
They might be an interesting topic for McJibbin to react to, the role of the Appropriate Adult in the UK as in some of the true crime docs etc, it doesn't seem like there is a US equivalent (or at least there isn't in some states)
@@221b-Maker-Streetthe show literally named Appropriate Adult was fantastic, albeit understandably grizzly at times. It's a drama following the perspective of Fred West's appropriate adult during his questioning, I believe he had an iq of around 80 so it was necessary for him to have one. Des with David Tennant was also great, brutal though, that's about Dennis Nilson and could be what you're referencing.
I’m from Wakefield and My sister was an appropriate adult, she worked throughout west and South Yorkshire and I no she would agree with your comment 100%. X
Congratulations for speaking about your difficulties McJibbon. That takes guts man. All power to you. Total respect!
11:09 I am a member of a good natured Facebook group where Brits and Americans make fun of each other but one thing that does cause friction is when the Americans start banging on about "Freedom". Freedom this, freedom that and freedom the other.
Your reaction there just sums up our British attitude perfectly. Most Americans look on having guns as a freedom. We Brits look on having guns as a privilege and OUR freedom is not having to worry that someone else may have one that they may harm us with or worse.
It’s instilled from an early age, freedom and guns go hand in hand, but they are possibly less free than many nations
They're all convinced the Russians or a tyrannical government are going to come get them
Yanks are still in the cowboy and Indian phase, whereas Britons live in this century.
Britons are mostly more civilised than yanks so do not need guns at all.
Most of us yankees want the guns gone and many of us point to your country as a successful society without gun ownership.
When I worked in Accident and Emergency in Glasgow, every few months you would get certain street people picked up and brought in, usually the same ones. They would be checked over, then when sobered up or whatever, get a bath, second hand clothing shoes square meal and be sent on their way. I’m thinking of one old guy in particular who came in around 3 times a year, didn’t want a house his family had allbeen killed in a house fire. You catch on very quickly to judge no one
QE or the Royal? I absolutely hate the QE, I would rather go anywhere else. Really like the royal A&E. Its not the staff, it's more just the wait, the parking, the design of the building etc. Who puts the car park at the front of the building and the A&E round the back. My mum is a partially blind diabetc, so it's really difficult to get her from the front to the back. That whole hospital is a disaster tbh.
He used to hang out in Queen street station.
Every time you gave him new clothes he would destroy them within days.
@@urbanshadow777there are car parks all around the QE. You could park near Langlands or neuro.
GRI is a nightmare as that little roundabout at the front entrance gets jam packed with traffic. At least QE has space for ambulances to get through
Over the past 70yrs, I have lived/studied/worked in seven countries, and have visited over 120, some several times. Only in three of these did I worry or even fear being stopped by police. Of those in which I worked, the US stood alone in this respect. (The others where I only visited, were China and Iraq).
Agreed / US police scared me - like robots, unable to engage on a human level.
@@spruce381 That also applies to all too many UK police as well.
Russia is a fucking horror show as well unless you just pay them to let you off. Every single person in Russia seems to exist for the sole purpose of ripping people off or taking bribes from the taxi drivers to the coppers to the average person on the street.
@@TheRealRedAce That really depends. If you're being an arse they're not going to be nice to you ANYWHERE. Simplest way to deal with coppers in the UK is "don't be a cunt". If you can manage that they'll treat you just fine.
How did China and Iraq compare to Britain in terms of general calm lifestyle?
Love your honest and open reflections on these videos and also for sharing personal information about your own situation. As someone who lives in the UK I think you represent the best of America - something which we rarely see on television
The Big Issue (30:30) is a magazine sold by homeless people for them to earn an income. You have to have an authorised badge to sell it. The magazine is also sold in Australia, Ireland, Japan, South Korea, Kenya, Taiwan, Malawi & Namibia.
Something I’ve been known to buy to not even read before. Just to help them. But these days, if I have it, I give them the money and don’t take the magazine so they have an extra bit of cash for whatever.
You're absolutely right. Prostitutes are often victims of horrific crimes.
It’s very dangerous for women doing that, or it can be if they come across the wrong man
They decide to become prostitutes so they're putting themselves at risk. Nobody forces them into prostitution.
And I hope they're doing OK.
EVERYONE ARRESTED IN THE UK HAS THE RIGHT TO REMAIN SILENT (and therefore the right not to incriminate themselves)
The reason why the arrest caution was changed to include: - "it MAY harm your defence if you fail to mention something you LATER RELY ON IN COURT"... is to redress the problem of criminals waiting until they were in the actual courtroom before making claims of their innocence the police were unable to investigate or verify.
This MAY be detrimental to your defence as the courts take a dim view of this sort of behaviour.
Which is why the caution begins with ‘you do not have to say anything’
Watching this video in which you acquitted yourself well made me decide to subscribe. You appear to be a respectable fellow and I hope your mental health battles continue to unfold to your advantage in the end. You've clearly processed your struggles in a way that has engendered a compassionate personality within you.
That took courage mate and you are right, with the support you had you did not end up on the streets. Addiction is a terrible thing and these people need medical help not being locked up for relatively minor infractions such as possession of a small amount of drugs or drunkeness. I know that the police in Australia follow the UK model to a certain extent but nowhere near the way American police deal with these issues which to be honest horrify most of us. Having watched a few of your reactions I have now subscribed. Happy new year to you from Perth Australia.
I love the way you talk through your thoughts, working through what is happening.
It isn’t illegal to be a prostitute in the UK. It is illegal to solicit or seek solicitation. It’s a fine line. Being a pimp or madam, or operating a brothel is illegal. There’s a campaign to rework and liberalise these laws though as they’re unevenly applied (as they don’t really have much of an effect, and laws of morality are always more prone to abuse than others). It’s unlikely to go anywhere in the near future given the current stream of moral panics (which, I believe, are a reaction to the uncertainty caused by rapid technological, economic, and subsequent social change. A similar thing happened during the industrial revolution in the UK)
I hate our current society.
Young girls want social media likes.
- all realise that more skin means more likes.
- some react to that.
- the more sexual the more likes.
- then a friend or fan suggest only fans, most ignore.
- those who don’t realise that photos become vids
- and a tiny minority agree to meet ‘fans’ to earn more.
Never a route when I was a kid
Prostitution was legalised in Australia about 20 years ago. All prostitutes work in registered brothels, with STD checks, protected work conditions, set shifts and security provided. Safer for everyone. It works pretty well. A single prostitute working independently of a registered brothel is operating illegally.
How does one be a prostitute without soliciting?
When you treat people with dignity, everyone benefits. Thank you for sharing your story.
You have the right to remain silent. The "miranda" as you would know it is basically the same. It is just saying that you can't suddenly come up with a defence on the stand in court and expect to be believed if you didn't mention that defence while being questioned by police.
Maybe you would have mentioned it if they stopped hitting you long enough!
Yes, in the States pleading the 5th can be held against you, especially in Civil court
However a member of the judiciary would be foolish to disregard the right (in most cases) to remain silent when questioned by Police. Always remember that the Police are allowed to lie to the public, it is called robust policing.
@@TheRealRedAce .. True. I know a bloke who was accused of an assault and confessed and entered a plea of guilty in Court despite not having done the act. When he was asked why, he said that when you are in a small room with four bull detectives and you know exactly what will happen if you deny the allegation, you take the option where you do not get a flogging.
@@johnvienta7622 Not quite so. There are some things they MUST tell the truth about.
There are some states in America that have had British cops come and train officers to deal with escalating situations without the use of weapons
Not working though is it ?
@@Liverpoolboy01 some states it probably is, one lot was stopping people and giving free ice creams lol because it was hot.
I think you mean DE escalating ;)❤
@@philmills4473 it is a minuscule, start I guess
@@Liverpoolboy01 yeah it got community respect just in smaller areas, sometimes a bit bigger areas depends if you respect both ways.
Thank you for the kind words and sympathy. Honestly I think if more people realised how easy this trap of drug addiction is then it wouldn’t be half the problem it is now. Too much ‘ I’m just a better person ‘ although they never say that but out loud. Keep it up
Agreed. Way too many people focus on the drugs, usually from a place of privilege because they can't imagine being in that situation of being completely enslaved by something addictive that's also illegal (whilst often ignoring their own addictive traits that they are lucky enough to be able to hide or are seen as less socially unacceptable). The fact it's drugs is almost irrelevant. They need help, a lot of help, and they deserve to have that help. I hate that as a country we decide to ignore that side of things and perpetuate the circumstances that drive people to and keep people in those harmful addictive cycles.
This video gives me some hope, tbh, just the fact that we got to a point where the police were taking the empathy route rather than the aggressive route that we seem to be descending into more now. I hope that we can get back to where we were so that we can then actually improve more and give these people the help and dignity they deserve. Here's hoping that things improve soon once we've had a GE.
9:23 I agree totally agree with McJibbin. I'm not religious but the phrase "but for the grace of god there go I" best sums it up. Anyone can fall on hard times and they need compassion.
Thank you for sharing your inner thoughts and private details with us. It’s touching to hear you relate to these videos.
The policeman was saying, "You don't have to say anything but it may harm your defence if you don't mention something you may rely on in court.
Our rights are similar to yours, we don't plead the 5th obviously but we still have the right to remain silent.
The difference is that our version specifically states that choosing to remain silent could be perceived negatively by the court. It may harm your defence. The US version codifies the right of the arrested individual to say nothing while the UK version is based on the assumption that law abiding citizens should want to assist the police in any way they can.
That part of the caution was added in the ‘90s by the Major government for reasons that IMVHO don’t really stack up. The police caution in Scotland doesn’t have that part.
Hi connor, my son was nominated for a care safe award ( think that's what it's called ) for calming a distressed person in crises by the time he got her to hospital she was calm and safe , addiction can happen to anyone I'm 5 yrs in recovery for alcoholism so maybe this has made him have more empathy . Happy New year connor all the best 😊
“You’re under arrest for….
You do not have to say anything, but it may harm your defence, if you do not mention - when questioned - something that you later rely on in court. Anything you do say, may be given in evidence.”
This is similar to the USA’s Fifth Amendment.
In the UK you do have the right to remain silent - but, if you remain silent, and you end up in court, then it *may* harm your *defence* if you were to try and explain your case in the court room, but hadn’t mentioned anything about it earlier.
Note that it’s not ‘may help the prosecution’ - but instead it’s ’may harm your defence’.
However, the caution usually ends with ‘… anything you do say, may be given in evidence’ - and this means that anything you do volunteer to say whilst being questioned, can be used by both the prosecution and defence as evidence in your case.
I love the captions, sometimes hilarious interpretation - clearly having difficulties with Northern English accents!
Connor you have such a lovely way about you. Your empathy for these homeless, alcohlics, drug people is a credit. Many people have an aggressive response, but the reality is, life happens and you find yourself where you dont want to be. The ordinary police officers like those on film dont carry weapons like guns. We have a specialists trained unit of officers who carry and use, guns. A conditional discharge means if he misbehaves within that time period, 12 months, he'll go straight to prison.
You never talk to much. In your case you are allways thinking arouund whats going on and i love it
The most stark difference that says the most (to me) between UK police and US police, is UK citizens for the most part aren't afraid to walk up to an officer and ask for directions or even have a short chat. Same can't be said for US citizens from everything I've seen and heard (including from my now-ex fiance who is American). That says a lot about the difference in how the police operate and how their interactions with the public usually go, especially if you're just walking right up to one on the street. Now I know guns have a large part to play in this, police in the US seem to operate on the defensive at all times - as if every encounter is a potential threat to their very lives (which it well may be) - and that is likely a large reason behind their aggressive demeanour and tendency to pull their weapon more often, whereas in the UK the police are at _far_ less risk of this happening and even police stabbings are rare to ever hear about (though I'm sure it does happen) so less threat = more de-escalation, more cooperation and friendliness with citizens etc.
if you are scared to ask police for directions you are delusional. straight up, what the hell. if you walk up like clutching your pocket all sketch thats a different story. its a matter of how you approach the officer. dont over generalize.
You can absolutely ask American police officers directions, they will just bark them at you without even looking at you most of the times. British policemen on the other hand may produce a map and show you how to get there.
I think you are way too influenced by cop films.
"These people in the main are victims. People who have issues in everyday life, people who have addictions, who have mental health issues. And their life on the streets is a deprived existence.... therefore its simply the priority of South Yorkshire Police to help and support these people wherever necessary"
Thats f*ckn impressive.
Fun fact about prostitution in England: It's not illegal. Trying to get customers on the street is illegal (and brothels are illegal I think) but selling sex is not.
The act of trading sex for money or other material benefit (prostitution) is not illegal however nearly everything required to do so in a safe manner is illegal including
Soliciting for the purposes of - approaching people on the streets whether to buy or sell
Running a brothel - which includes two or more prostitutes sharing premises for safety. also includes swingers clubs etc
Pimping / making money from prostitution - this prevents prostitutes hiring security guards, as the guard would be considered a pimp.
Despite this brothels operate openly in most major towns and cities - some to the extent of having neon signs in the middle of town, although normally more discreet and as long as they don't cause too much trouble or attract too many complaints they are generally left alone.
Places get around the selling sex thing by selling massages. What happens in private between people is no one elses business.
And, you'll find, in a number of places, full sexual intercourse doesn't take place.
On another note, being naked in public is not illegal. It becomes so if intent to alarm is proved.
It's a 'fact'. "Fun" has nothing to do with it.
@@whattiler5102 ... It's a figure of speech?
@@puffpride8344 Oh really? You do surprise me! It is one of the most irritating figures of speech there is. If you use it for pieces of silly trivia I can turn a blind eye, but it is inappropriate for "facts" that that actually carry some weight in the World. I will give you an example of something that is given as a 'Fun fact'; "Lego mini-figures have the largest population on Earth! (I'm dubious that it is a fact, except within a narrow reference band, but what the hell!). On the other hand I don't see statements about controversial aspects of British jurisprudence as being 'fun facts', they are not pub quiz trivia!
In the U.S it all seems to be about authority and everyone is a threat.
Thanks for being so real I really enjoyed your reaction.
the US is about authority, and most people are potential threats in an armed populus. use your brain.
I can't imagine being frightened of a policeman in uniform. We are mostly not brought up to fear them. Even if you have done something wrong you can expect to be dealt with fairly and quietly. Sheffield is in the north of England - south Yorkshire. Never been there myself, but it's not given the attention that our capital, London, is. Poverty and neglect is redolent in some of our towns, in the north in particular. You could almost say London is a city state,
like Rome once was, or Florence and Venice.
I respect your compassion for people going through terrible times. I'm proud of the way our police handle these things.
You'll always get a better response with a calm voice and neutral level of respect than you ever will by issuing threats and trying to assert the authority of a uniform. Something that the US police forces seem to have forgotten.
I work as a security guard and even we're taught to attempt to diffuse situations when handling bad situations. Nobody with authority benefits from trying to act all tough. Just "hey, I'm here, I have to do my job, you don't want to be in this situation either, let's keep things civil"
@@THENAMEISQUICKMAN because you dont have case laws. police do, in certain situations, they can do certain things. your rights are equatable to a civilian. its not to "de escalate" its so you dont get sued for shooting someone you had no right to shoot, unlike a police officer.
Ah, and it was filmed in Yorkshire. They do know about misery and poverty up North, but they are such wholesome people generally. Awesome video, thanks for your service gents and ladies of the police ^^
Of course, British police say "Stop swearing". It's customary to keep a civil tongue in the U.K., unlike in other parts of the world.
It's the case in pretty much every developed country. In addition, this is not necessarily a police instruction, but rather a personal request that every citizen (even in uniform) can make to every citizen.
Sometimes it is also a friendly reminder to protect citizens from themselves, since insulting police officers is a punishable offence in some countries and because friendly and well-trained police officers do _not_ want citizens to talk themselves into trouble.
Lol you must never have been to the UK
I'm Spanish and keeping a civil tongue is definitely not customary for British citizens. At all.
Police officer required training time
UK: 2250 hours
German: 4000 hours
Norway: 4500 hours
US: 672 hours
I'm not surprised US police officers are so unprepared to manage things
Love your reactions, so pleased that you are so open
Personally I think it should be the buyer that should pay the fine. In Norway and Sweden are the rules that the prostitute is the victim, while the buyer or the pimp is the criminal. So here in Norway will the buyer be fined $900, while in Sweden if i understand it right will the buyer be fined 50 days fine and it will also depend on the amount of income.
Sadly are most countries backwards here. They prosecute the victim and let the criminal go more or less free
Pimping will have a penalty of up to 5 years in Norway. This might also apply for house owners renting out to prostitution, if they know that kind of business happen on their property
The law is similar here. Prostitution itself is not illegal. There are associated behaviors that are illegal though, including soliciting for the prostitute, curb crawling for the johns, and benefiting from the proceeds of prostitution.
Yes and no, I'm thinking out loud here btw, so there are likely things I'm wrong about.
Who is blamed and liable is pretty much irrelevant because in both cases the real victim doesn't get the help they need. The prostitute needs money because they are addicted to something. They need help, support and empathy.
The fines don't help them and just make the situation worse for them. Unfortunately the buyer has more to lose, this means that if the buyer were punished then the risk would increase and less buyers, you might think problem solved. But those prostitutes will still need money, they will look to alternative methods of obtaining it.
Honestly, I'd legalise it, and drugs, provide safe places for that stuff to happen so that they are at least protected somewhat, give them support and try and help them out of that situation. But I'd target most of the action towards prevention through early intervention, significantly improved mental health support access and massively improved child support for vulnerable children in struggling families.
Much of my thinking there is likely naive, but I fear that most of what happens is targeting only symptoms and not root causes, and without targeting the root cause the lives of those victims won't improve.
I agree. Every time they said that the sex worker was fined £40 I was just like ‘great, you just charged her to give four free bjs’ it’s so backwards. Get caught selling, get charged a fine that you can only meet by selling some more… the cycle just continues. I’m for legalisation of the sex work and drug use, but focus on making the smuggling and pimping be the things that are penalised. That’s where the actual crime is in my understanding. Forcing things underground just makes it all that much more unsafe all around
Compassion is key!
Your disclosure took courage! Happy New Year from this side of the pond. Take care mate.
The police force in the US appear more akin to the military, they’re pretty unapproachable or so they appear
so they appear, you're just terrified.
It's not just about armed police its more about their individual attitude toward the people they interact with. Police officers in N.Ireland have guns but they try to de-escalate situations rather than being aggressive. Not all but most lol
You're absolutely right, anybody can fall into that - all it takes is bad luck. I had a really stable background, but in the space of four years, I lost everybody. Then my home (because I was 17). And because I had undiagnosed PTSD, I was a mess. But i was at college, and I had a teacher who helped me. And a charity gave me a safe place to live in a local housing scheme, for a year. And from there I got back on my feet. But it was pure luck.
Pleading the 5th doesn't exist here, but you can refuse to answer. We effectively have the same rights here as you do (except here, coppers are not allowed to lie to suspects). You could say that our rights statement is more honest, because in either place, if you bring out information that you didn't originally divulge as your defence, people aren't going to believe you.
Prostitution (selling sex for money) is not illegal. Soliciting on the streets is, as is curb crawling. Running a brothel is illegal too, though often overlooked, because it gets women off the streets and has a measure of safety (as you say, being on the streets as a hooker is incredibly dangerous). The difference in their fine / talking to may depend on their previous convictions. The more you have, the more you'll get.
Conditional discharge - he's basically free to go, *except* if he gets picked up for something else in the 12 months, then he gets charged for both things.
The only thing I hate here is the use of Section 5. It is probably necessary in some form (and their use wasn't too bad here), but because it's kind of vague, if you get a bad copper (and we do have plenty (if somebody's an idiot to start with, the uniform doesn't change that)), you can get arrested for just about anything that otherwise wouldn't be illegal.
Oh, and no, it's nowhere near Cockney land. Sheffield is in the north - the copper is from the Sheffield area, and the guy he was arresting was from the Liverpool area. The cockney jibe made literally no sense.
Thank you for being strong enough to be able to be so honest. Many of us forgot just how easily it is for us to go down the wrong path. With help and support we can avoid that and wven help others to get back on tge right path.
Is Sheffield near London 😂 No Connor, not even close. Sheffield is in the North of England. British police officers can request a transfer to anywhere in the UK, if there's a vacancy, hence the Cockney officer working in Sheffield. Although with his accent, he could be from the South East, not necessarily London.
Respect to you mate. Can see you really took the message from this video in. It's a horrible position for people to be in, and it's not always their fault, yet society finds it easier to look at these people on the streets, addicts, the ones who are struggling the most as just pests. When really we need to be fixing the situation rather than just locking people up for an 'easy win'.
love from the UK bro. enjoy watching your videos.
Connor, in The UK THE POLICE have a duty of care to one and all whether that be a perp, victim or general member of public.
Sometime it requires patience by the police to bring a incident to a safe conclusion.
That means they approach a incident calmly, and if possible quietly and without aggression.
The American police on the other hand it seems is to shoot first then ask questions, if practical, ie the person they shot at is still alive.
"Beeing more conscious how to help someone"- that is so well said. UK police are amazing.
The subtitles on this!! lol. Obviously it's automatic. He didn't say he was drinking white shirt lol - It's white cider. The choice of many broke alcoholics, including me (cheapest units per dollar booze. Or it was but it's recently gone up in price to about 40p per unit, so it's normal price now). And it's 'freeze me knackers off' (knackers being testicles), not freeze me knock us off lol. I know McJibbin didn't do them but funny :-D
the UK Miranda warning is, You do not have to say anything, but it may harm your defence if you do not mention when questioned something you later rely on in court. Anything you do say may be given in evidence. which means you can be silent if you want, but when you get to court you cannot suddenly explain what happened or give a excuse or reason you were caught for, so remaining silent during police interview will be used against you, this is because if you had a alibi or a explanation you have to declare it at interview, you cannot suddenly produce it in court where you may have had days/weeks to find an alibi. that's the bit that "it will harm your defence if you do not mention when questioned something you later rely on in court"
In Scotland, the old version is still used. So it is just: You do not have to say anything, but anything you do say may be written down and given in evidence.
A solicitor will always say go no comment.
@Liverpoolboy01 you can always go no comment, but when it comes time for court you also have no defence.
@@kitobi10660 they have to show the evidence before court.
no we won't it depends on circumstances and instructions @@Liverpoolboy01
Great reaction Connor ❤️ Happy new year to you and your family 🎉
Welcome to Great Britain, my friend. This is how we do it over here, and you'll fit in great.
You plead the 5th - we say "no comment" same thing Connor.
Great reaction mate. When you keep saying "should I say this" or "I may be wrong in saying "... no you are accurately analysing situations mostly. Shows good observations and character from you. The only thing I'd criticise is the auto captions on a regional English accent.. they often can be confusing if you aren't tuned in to certain accents. Again great reactions
"No comment" is our equivalent of your pleading the fifth. However, if someone uses this defence and evidence later shows that they did commit the offence, the Jury will be told that you didn't co-operate. They can then decide whether to take that into consideration
The amount of times I've gone 'No domm🎉'
British arrest caution: "You do not have to say anything. But it may harm your defence if you do not mention when questioned something which you later rely on in court. Anything you do say may be given in evidence"
If you are arrested you can still refuse to answer questions or reply "no comment" (UK version of pleading the 5th), but if you had an alibi for a crime and refused to give it then that might be viewed badly in court later. A court is allowed to ask a defendant "why didn't you offer this information when you were arrested? Have you arranged/made it up since?"
You're right Connor there has a been lots of prostitutes murdered over recent time. How the police deal with prostitutes seems to change a lot year on year.
Using the term Prostitute doesn’t help, it’s degrading and they should be called women
"[1] You do not have to say anything.
[2] But it may harm your defence
[3] if you do not mention when questioned something which you later rely on in court.
[4] Anything you do say may be given in evidence."
[1] You have a right to not say anything, including answering questions so you don't incriminate yourself or others
[2] However, if you are arrested and charged and you later state something in your defence it can be interpreted when you are in [3] court in a negative way - e.g. why didn't you say that at the beginning? Have you just made that up?
[4] From the point of the caution onwards you are on warning that anything you say is being recorded (on paper/video/etc) and can be used in the court by the police (and conversely by your defence) as evidence.
When I moved into my flat in 2007 there would be 2 police officers walking the beat every day but now with all the cuts there are none.
Same, I remember before the Tories got into power, I used to see the police every now and again, I rarely ever see them any more for the last 10 years.
The Tories have done a lot of damage to the UK with all the cuts to public services like the police, NHS and so on, throw in Brexit and everything else and it feels like the UK is on a downwards trend compared to other modern countries.
Fortunately, it looks like Labour are going to win the next election but they've got one heck of a challenge on their hand to put the country back on track and honestly, with money being tight, that's not going to be easy for them.
Your honesty touched me. Good luck and Happy New Year. You'll get there, mate. 🙏
You don’t talk too much. You are reacting. As you should. Experiencing other peoples way of life is broadening your mind. Carry on. From Scotland.
The caution, the uk version of miranda rights, is "You do not have to say anything, but it may harm your defence if you do not mention when questioned something which you later rely on it court. Anything you do say may be given in evidence."
It means, you don't have to say anythingm you can say silent if you like, but if you don't say anything or don't give a story when your questioned by police and you then bring this up in court later as a defence, the court may be less willing to believe it. Anything you say can be noted and brough up as evidence later.
One of the best things about most British Police is that they will treat the down and outs with friendly respect as they realise that anyone can fall through the cracks in life. This also helps with the crime rate as the street people love being treated as real people and they will point out just who is commiting crimes especially and the police will try to get help for them. It is far better to try to help them rather than just locking them up as once they are back out then the whole pathetic cycle repeats itself.
Another great reaction Connor. Love this channel!
very good video.... officers using discretion with offences. this type of policing has a positive impact on society
To clear something up for you:
The caution is ‘You do not have to say anything, but it may harm your defence if you do not mention, when questioned, something which you may later rely on in court. Anything you do say may be given in evidence’.
What this means is that you have the right to say nothing, but if you remain silent and then tell the court at a later date a story in your defence, then the court may draw inference from the fact that you could have mentioned it earlier, at the time of questioning, but didn’t. Basically: ‘we don’t think you are telling the truth because you had an opportunity ages ago to say this but didn’t. Therefore we think you’ve spent time making up this story’.
Key word community not a gun drawn insight de escalating not escalating
I lived in Sheffield in the mid 70s and it was a lovely place with friendly people and the steelworks in full operation before Thatcher. We moved to Adelaide, South Australia and it was sad to see what when happened to Sheffield with unemployment and drugs.
Well there is the fact that they are in TV so they have to behave themselves 😂 but as an ex addict I can safely say alot of my encounters with police have been met with understanding and sympathy. There was the odd one that stepped out of line but in general they did try their best to keep the situation to a minimum
I feel the difference between U.K. cops and US cops is U.K. cops are here to serve justice, and not to give out punishments.
It takes three years to get to be a fully qualified police officer in the UK now. It is now a graduate profession so you must train and study in order to get a degree level qualification in policing.
Which was the downfall of nursing numbers in the U.K.
@@Carole.P Well, there may well be a link but the decision to cut training places in England by more than 17% between 2009/10 and 2012/13 was probably a bigger factor, plus the rising cost of fees and the workload caused by the bigger numbers of older people needing care. But I think with kind of medicine and care going on in modern day health care you really do need people who are trained enough know what they are doing. The days are long gone when you could get by on just following doctor's orders. So calling it 'the downfall' of nursing numbers is probably a bit of an exaggeration.
@@barrysteven5964 I can tell you myself and many of my friends and colleagues would not have been nurses (started training in 1983), had it been a degree programmes for entry, yet I am a senior nurse and was more than able to learn the skills required.
I see it first hand, it’s been over a couple of decades and we’ve lost out to some fantastic people, that would and still can make fantastic nurses
@@Carole.P State Registered Nurses became an all-graduate profession and then it became necessary to reinvent State Enrolled and Auxiliary Nurses under another name to allow non-university people to be trained quickly to work alongside the graduates.
Lots of tasks have been delegated over the years from doctors to fully qualified and then less qualified nurses and even social care workers.
Policing is going the same way. We have young degree-qualified police, but alongside them we have "police community support officers" with much less training and it sounds like people may do that for a year or two before getting into police college.
Even the medical profession is doing this. It's politically unacceptable to keep relying on Asian and African doctors any more, and the European Union doctors who came later are being pushed out, so home-grown Physician Associates get a shortened medical course, and Nurse Practitioners top up their training to take over a lot of what doctors used to do.
Both resemble the "barefoot doctors" of third world countries. We don't talk of "barefoot cops" or "barefoot nurses" however.
Love your channel Connor. Happy New Year to you and yours!
I have only seen US police from a distance and not had any direct communication with them. I feel the US police are "Law Enforcers" with the emphasis on enforce and appear do it it in a very military style fashion. The British police and the same goes for most of the European ones I have come across too are community driven with more emphasis on protection of the community. They will of course enforce the law when it is necessary. We are always taught as children that if you are lost always try and find a policeman to help and we see them very much in that light. They want the support of the community to help and assist them with information to help fight crime. If they were as aggressive as the US police then this would work against them in the long run over here.
Hello Connor you’ve recognized how fortunate you are, well done and I hope you show your parents how much you appreciate them. Good luck ❤
Thank you for your honesty Connor. I absokutely agree with you, the situation we are born into plays a huge part ( there's an old saying 'There for the Grace of God go I'! Im sure there's probably a similar saying with less religious connotations too for those people who woukd prefer a different analogy but Im sure everyone gets my drift! 💞
Hey, Connor, nice to see you. Great review of a very good documentary. 👍🏻. Above all, I love the compassion that is shown in this video.
I suffer with mental health issues & understand where u r coming from in some of your comments.
I have been blessed with a very supportive family. But, sadly, my father and mother have now passed away. And so it is down to me to navigate the choppy waters of my anxiety, depression & now menopause! If I didn't have good friends dotted about, I certainly can see myself in this situation, and it scares me.
For the record, you do not speak too much, and what you want to discuss r very interesting & valid points.
It's great to see the genuine kindness that is in people, for a change.
All the best to you for 2024.😊🇬🇧🇺🇲
Yours is the reaction of a caring, thoughtful man, Sir. It takes one such as you to notice that: there but for the grace of god go we all. Thank you and all the best to you, and all our American friends
It was the subtitles that were not clear Conner. The officer said "you dont need to say anything"
Big hug coming your way across the Atlantic.
I've worked at a couple of UK Prisons, most inmates I met are from - A crap family, crap house, on a crap road on a crap estate in a crap town.
It’s not if you don’t answer that it will be held against you but if you don’t answer questions but later give the answer as evidence in court then your silence may be held against you. It may be seen that you were wasting police time or deliberately obstructing the Police with their enquiries.
As an European - I think it is important to remember that in america the police officers always have to be on edge, because they could get shot by any person anytime.
It doesnt explain the entire police aggression, but I think it contributes, and should be kept in mind
Policing in this country has gone well downhill in the last 20 years, I was going to join the police originally but there's no chance I'd do that now, more than anything because it's used as a political weapon rather than actually policing
That and the fact Tories will slash the police by 10k getting rid of experienced officers and replace them a few years later with lower quality and cheaper officers.
The police have always been the armed civilian paramilitary wing of the body politic. You only have to look at their actions during the miners strike, or Hillsborough.
Where do you live? I live in the UK and the police are not at all political. (Of course, some idiots here in the UK will say they are.)
The police have always been used as a political strong arm in this country.
@@neilharris2048please move on ,I never thought I would say this but it's nearly 2024 not the 80's
My understanding is that in the U.K. the police do so by consent. People don’t normally carry guns and the police don’t normally carry guns. Our police are highly trained and although we have armed police, they are only used when necessary.
Seeing homeless people being treated with respect demonstrates the system works.
subtitles are bollocks mate .....
He didn’t say £200 hundred he said up to £100. Out upto £100 means anything to £100. It’s a Yorkshire expression.
Happy New Year Connor!!!🍾🥂 Well that was an uplifting video to bring in 2024!😃
I really don’t think this kind of policing is possible in America while the police are afraid the people they’re talking to might be armed. The fact that it’s highly unlikely for a British citizen to be armed makes this form of policing doable and preferable. It’s a virtuous circle rather than a vicious circle. After all, the police are there to serve the people and that includes the criminals.
What the police officer said was “it may harm your defence if you do not mention when questioned something which you later rely on in court”.
Which basically means, if you have an excuse you’re gonna use as your defence in court, well if you don’t mention it to the arresting officer when he asks you may not be able to use it as a defence in court.
Basically why didn’t you mention that when you got arrested. Most likely because it’s an excuse you thought of later 🤣
£200 a day for maybe £5 worth of gear. We should legalise and prescribe this immediately.
Have you seen the effects in some American cities of the legalisation of all drugs, horrific
@@louisemiller3784name these American cities that have legalised all drugs. No American anything has legalised all drugs ever
There was a documentary about 5-10 years ago (sadly I can't find the name or locate it here on TH-cam), where there were Police Chiefs/Police Academy Instructors from major US Cities (I believe it was New York, Boston and Philly), who came to the UK and followed the training process for UK police. They were shocked how British police managed to handle situations without pew-pews, and how they are trained to de-escalate situations by actually talking to the public or potential suspect/antagonist. From the outside looking in to the US, I really feel that it's the lack of proper training which is leading to such a high wariness of Police.
So as a former police officer - the caution states they are allowed to not offer a comment but if they then come up with a reason in court, the prosecution will ask why wasn’t this told to police at the time - therefore it could be inferred the reason offered could be made up.
The prostitute and the purchaser are arrested but maybe taken to different custody’s.
A lot of police activity of this nature in the UK is fundamentally Social Work