Fr they merged Kengan characters so much . Baki is post pickle fight n Kengan is just post ashura ..in Kengan omega the characters after 4-6 years r way stronger in purgatory arc n now the current Shen arc they r way stronger after 10 year.
Grow up kid, stop trying to power scale everything. This has literally been the case for any crossovers, DC x Marvel, Toriko X One Piece X Dragonball, Generator Rex X Ben 10, etc.
So did the Kenyan asura characters . The manga for that anime has them even more powerful when with Baki they already adapted bakis more powerful arcs.
@@nomus1172 I guess u could say that but the mangas aren’t done at all. Bakis still got development and stronger opponents to face. Baki rarely gets pushed into corner with his opponents. He’s probably going to get way stronger.
@@xhunter_killuax4768 in neither of the shows do they stop the figths after being knocked out for a second igts the writers just handing a win to kengen ashura so their fans dont get their panties in a twist
I think it shows how strong jack has gotten because he forced raian to use his removal to win I was hoping this fight was gonna finally activate jacks demon back but unfortunately they still want to shit on jack for some reason
Jack vomiting was definitely a fan service callback. The movie is filled with them. I’m honestly glad their fight was cut short. Spared us from more Papenbrook Raian.
Bruhhh Baki literally had gone toe to toe with Yujiro prior to this crossover and we just got a draw with Ohma, and I think it's just giving respect between the writers because we knew Ohma ain't doing shit to Baki. still they robbed him of his victory as same goes for Jack.
You Baki fans can kiss my ass .kengan got abilities to that are effective.yall just mad he couldn’t ko my boy suck that shit up .Baki show really some fairy tale type shit .
Jack may have lost which disappoints me. But at least the fight was much closer. It wasn’t completely a one sided massacre. Jack bit good chunks off from Raian. Also gave him a couple of good punches and kicks. Hopefully Jack gets his revenge next movie. But it sucks that Jack keeps taking L’s. The disrespect has to stop.
So you noticed his height loss too? Yeah I thought that was weird. I don't think it was as bad as how Jack beat Ali jr. But he definitely got robbed in this fight. The throwing up again was just a dumb call back imo. Jack could and wanted to still fight but accepted a loss by decision and that's so unlike Jack. Plus these are fuckin Baki characters, they can sustain extreme blood loss and even limb loss and still keep going and Jack was honestly not that damaged as far as a pretty typical Baki fight goes.
"Scripted fight from the beginning" My dude, it's fucking FICTION, no shit it was scripted from the beginning! It's a crossover designed to hype both series, everyone's going to get to look good and the results of the fights are arbitrary. I could get upset that my favorite character, Saw Paing, was written to literally headbutt Hanayama's fist repeatedly until he knocked himself out, even though the Hammer of Burma was always intended to target the opponent's head, but i recognize that this crossover has no bearing on the canon of either series, so I just move on.
@@lionsenkei1621 I agree that it was underwhelming, but for most Baki fans, anything other than seeing their characters get sucked off and no-diffing every fight would cause them to bitch.
No he is correct. Yujiro got hit by lightning and didn't give a F and kept walking. Dodged a bullet with his brain, stopped an earthquake with his bare fist, soloed an army with no weapons during vietnam war. And the list goes on. So you sure buddy Kegan are DC 😂😂😂@@mudassarkhan8330
Not realy nerf but they kinda buffed the kengan characters simce they are in the baki verse i mean think abt it in the baki verse it makes them defy the laws of physics like running on water and breaking the sound barrier with your hand so if thr kengan characters were made to be in the baki verse which means they also get the logic or same capabilities of the baki characters
You gotta look at it like the 2 old men were having their favorite Pokémon fight each other. And it's like Hey, Hey, Hey, Hey guys, you're not supposed to hurt each other.
I thought all the fights from this movie were just okay. Honestly it was more fun just seeing all these different characters interact. I like that Oliva and Julius were best bros, haha.
@@ghostfloxks7414 I think the reason why both characters did that is because deep down their j******When you think about it, one's a prankster.And the other was just lazy as happy
To be real, i was so hype that i didn't care that jack lost or that the fight was short. yeah, i wanted jack him to win, but, the battle was so cool that i didn't care. I was scream and my smile was bigger than the jokers, i litteraly couldn't stop smiling
how could have liked this match?im not saying jack shoulve won but let it play out why did they stop it when jack was only knocked out for a split second they never did that shit in Kengen, remember raian vs mokichi? or baki vs jack? why did they only do that here? oh yeah because they got lazy
@@peerc30 i understand. I turn my brain off and enjoy the fight, but after seen it again , i knew how bad it was, but, i still like it because i got to see jack fight again even tho is in a embarrassing mediocre way. As long as i get to see my favorite charact fight am happy. (jack should have won)
Jack falls asleep for a sec from a choke "CALL THE MATCH" Baki ali jr's Omha at the start of the fight flat on his face "hmmm lets see where this goes"...
The thing is, if Jack and Raian had a draw as well Kengan would lose since Ohma and Baki will obviously have a draw. The only way for Kengan not to lose if Jack and Raian drew is if Baki pulled something similar to Yujiro before he fought the Grand Kiohin saying that if he didn’t win their first victory wouldn’t count
Guys it was not a robbery, Remember that they are both from direfent universes and power scale the reason why I dont like baki is because they do some stupid stuff that is not normal, for this crossover to be made I said it before and at the end I was right, They had to nerf Baki Characters because they are Stupidly broken, it was not a robbery, all Character were placed between the same power level for this to be enjoyable, This is how it was to supposed to go down.
You act like kengan ashura doesn't have unrealistic and crazy things happen in it too lol so many kengan defenders use this reasoning and it's just stupid lmfao
They putt kengan characters in the baki universe so ofc they are on the same level, like people said “if yujiro was in the opm or db universe he will be much stronger” a mean, thats a crossover, i dont fucking care about the power scaler thing. (Sory for bad english ;-;)
@@No1gamerkengan does have some unnatural and weird stuff ofc, its fiction afterall. But I think this guy is talking about supernatural stuff which baki has but kengan *ashura* doesnt(miyamoto being ressurected, man from jurassic period being frozen in time etc)
Jack got disrespected so hard , all that effort even when his body adapted to massive amounts of drugs, they make a small capsule of drugs to cause him to go skinny and not even give him a boost of any kind is just wild, I know I shouldn't be invested in the character but oh my god the amount of times he's just been beaten is just dumb, hopefully he unlocks the demon or something similar cause he needs a boost for real
@@puggerexe4276 yeah I seen the original baki series and I know that during the underground tournament when Jack and baki fought, Jack had the same situation were he threw up all the steroids, but in that moment they say his hanma blood allowed him to keep his physique and how his body transcended the drugs saying he created a miracle but then baki used the demon back against him and he lost
hanayama's vice grip made sense but jack's maxing out power up felt like bs and a lot cheaper here than in the maximum tournament. I'm not mad about the outcomes. Idk why people expect accurate powerscaling in a damn crossover. it would also be a draw in a fight between naruto, ichigo and luffy if naruto, bleach and one piece had a crossover special and this is the case right here. what I'm disappointed at is the animation quality.
Baki fans are mad their power scaling got debunked i wish this was the same for other animes cus these power scaling things are getting boring to watch or read and just annoying now if animes debunked every power scaling then nobody would power scale anf just enjoy the show -peace out
I don't think they so much nerfed Jack just remembers he punched Pickle hhe weight 200 kg and he fly 2-3 meters and he have so Insanity reaction and just remember He can just kill Raian one single punch
yeah i was like granted this aint Omega Raian, which got even stronger with the latest chapter, but mans legit split a man in half with pure strength alone against another removal user lmao
Bruh, a weaker jack beat up a polar bear, Raian needed to spilt that man from his mouth cause he couldn’t do it without an opening, no Baki character should have lost
@@jordanwilliams2557they are now in the same universe (uncannon) which means they can also be strong we are talking about the universe where you defy physics and be an absolute unit so kengan kinds got a buff since they are in the same universe as baki
While the Baki characters were nerfed, I still had an enjoyable time as it would be really boring if they just knocked out the Kengan characters in one hit
It's clear that they nerfed the Baki verse a lot. It would be better if they had packed the Kengan characters further into the story and manga then you wouldn't notice it so much with the nerfing and scaling
It still would count as getting knocked out for the paing guy too, that's their point. @@koz3ris252 Real fighting rules at least if you're on the ground not getting up within ten seconds unconscious or not then clearly you clearly can't fight any longer and you lose but the rules here clearly were flavoring the kengan fighters. We know Baki characters do not go down or stay down so easily.
Do none of you guys remember how Jack was on the ground for a whole 20 seconds in the first half of the fight when Raian was mocking him? Or y'all just being stupid. They called the match when Jack lost consciousness cause they were gonna end up killing each other. On top of that Raian could have killed him easily just by snapping his neck once he lost consciousness. If anything it was really out of character for Raian just to let go of Jack's neck instead of tryna snap it. Jack lost fair and square the writers of the series have decided that.
in the second match they were looking for a chance to end it the earliest possibile because it was a super gore Bloodshed while in the First fight everyone was chill
I just don’t get how yujiro and kuroki treated baki and ohma like they were nothing when Baki beat yujiro recently so they’re on the same level and ohma is on par with Baki in this fight. How is it that Baki and ohma are fodder compared to those two when Baki beat his dad and Ohma is shown to be on bakis level it doesn’t make sense.
@@JonasMohr-r4g baki on his his fight literally made yujiro said he felt pain and started bleeding, not only that but he surprised multiples times and call it a good fight , but this other mf was like "y'all two are not even close to touching us 🤓" like bro bro read the freaking series and yujiro would eat that other guy if wanted , and you know am right .
@@cesaredits6726 of course ouls yujiro destroy the other guy in the baki manga he would disrespect him ass fugg but its ok not to blam a franchise in a crossover and yeah i know baki did pretty good against yujiro but he still isn stronger
Even though they should prioritise Jsck since Baki Rahan shows him as the protagonist getting stronger, it was s close fight though. My only complaint is the lack of movement and overall stuff. Felt like the 2 just stood on the same place during the entire fight.
My main issue with this fight is that, instead of throwing his signature uppercut, which he was in a perfect position to unleash, Jack got up and retaliated with hanayama's overhand right. This aggravates me beyond reason, it's just plain wrong, especially since it was shown in a "oooo he did the thing" way
You could argue jack was desperate for a win by any means after the loss he faced from pickle + watching Baki fight His dad. The problem being jack wasn’t fully recovered and had a bad reaction (I could be reaching). You could also argue they called the fight early cause they thought someone was finna die. It’s nice to see jacks pride wasn’t hurt seeing he got up and believed he would still be able to continue even tho his fight was prematurely stopped.
I’m okay with suspending certain aspects of logic, but not power scaling. Ohma should not be able to even MOVE pickle. Kengan universe got some major plot armor.
They kinda just wanted to give raian anything because he doesn't have a manga adaptation rn. They allowed jack to take every hit without any sort of reprisal, and then they did the "maxing out" trope he's only done once since against baki...they were really pulling shit out of their ass for jack to lose here.
I am okay with the way they did things, there needed to be one battle where kengan came out on top over baki. They have to take away a lot from jack to make him an interesting matchup in the kengan verse. I think what makes this matchup taste so bad was just how they had to nerf jack for this one, where he's unrecognizable. The jack that faced pickle and the jack in this crossover are completely different characters.
I'm a Jack Hanma fan myself, but it's not Raian's fault Jack does not have submission defense. He may be superior in strength, but if he is not smart enough to negate a simple choke by controlling Raian's arm with an overhook, it's his own fault for losing.
I'm genuine animanga fan and I don't usually get deep into anime debates like this but cry about it real fans of both anime know the fights ended fairly and correctly
Ppl keep saying characters got nerfed no this movie gave y'all complete accuracy in the timeline of which these two universes obtain new techniques or power ups.
Well this is before jack got another bone lengthening surgery, titanium teeth and his goudou so it kinda make sense that Raian slaps pre sumo arc and jack arc Jack Hanma
I’ve been following Baki since before Kengan was a thing and honestly I think raian would actually beat jack. Jacks the weakest hanma and raian is debatably the strongest Kure currently. Jack needs modifications and enhancements to keep up with the top tiers in Baki but raian is from a bloodline of warriors. He doesn’t even use his family techniques because of how OP they are and prefers to just overwhelm his opponents
For those of you complaining about this what did you expect in a crossover the strength of these charachters won't be cannon at all if it was all the fighters from baki would of won in a single attack
I don’t know what you mean they were knocked out tons of times, neither of them were knocked out until Jack was knocked out. Ohma also didn’t knock out Pickle, he just kicked him and stopped him similar to Retsu, Pickle was only knocked over
I would have liked to see Raian vs pickel from the start. Raian is supposed to be the high of fighting evaluation from selected breeding. And pickel is like the the OG original model.
It’s crazy how in Baki sometimes a fighter will be down for a while then they won’t call it but they’re call it real fast when the fighter is supposed to lose jack kneeled down for like 20 seconds they didn’t call it jack falls down from getting choked they call it ASAP even tho he gets up right away lol
Two things 1. they were gonna kill each other so they had to call it. 2. It's really out of character for Raian to let go of Jack's neck once he lost consciousness consider Raian snaps people's necks for fun.
@@MLG_KINGPIGGY7 calling out a flaw on rian character while not mentioning none on jack is crazy , jack should at least right now be a little bit below pickle and pickle has shown better feats than rian even current rian from omega
@@MLG_KINGPIGGY7 Going to kill each other is nothing though. The Underground Arena has no qualms with deathmatches and they had a whole arc about the willingness to risk death (Ali Jr).
jack biggest weakness is shortcuts(Using Streoids) he use several times but later he understood that that was a temperory method for big fights later he learned many things and in manga he much stronger than previous chapter . in latest chapter he met pickle again and hug him with dirty homeless suit. Jack dosent matter how he looks like him.
i mean making kenagn lose all fights wouldnt have been a smart move marketing wise and yes everyone tried to end the fight as soon as possible because of how fierce that fight was worried about them dying
Jakc 7'11" raian 6'2"
**SAME HEIGHT**
So I wasn't the only one who noticed the height
Also isnt Jack actually close to 9 feet tall?
Jack isnt that tall yet his latest height surgery is post motobe defeat
@@memeblast2904 He's 8 feet(243 cm) during the Pickly arc,also he should weigh alot more than that looking that large at that height
also to pickle i think
Fr they nerfed baki universe so much its ridiculous
Fr they merged Kengan characters so much . Baki is post pickle fight n Kengan is just post ashura ..in Kengan omega the characters after 4-6 years r way stronger in purgatory arc n now the current Shen arc they r way stronger after 10 year.
Grow up kid, stop trying to power scale everything. This has literally been the case for any crossovers, DC x Marvel, Toriko X One Piece X Dragonball, Generator Rex X Ben 10, etc.
@@patrik7716 Grow up mentally then
@@valenschristianyosua be quit kid
@@valenschristianyosua pls grow up kid
Looked like a fan animation and Jack got nerfed unreasonably hard.
So did the Kenyan asura characters . The manga for that anime has them even more powerful when with Baki they already adapted bakis more powerful arcs.
@@nomus1172jack hanma should Atleast unlock his demon back
@@nomus1172what are you saying
@@nomus1172 I guess u could say that but the mangas aren’t done at all. Bakis still got development and stronger opponents to face. Baki rarely gets pushed into corner with his opponents. He’s probably going to get way stronger.
thank you. jack is awesome. they have the power and time to make an epic fight. ya none will talk about this in the future
This seariously shows how powerscaling doesnt matter if the writer wants them to lose
They did Jack very dirty.
Idgaf what the referee said Jack got back up and still fought!
Only got up after being chocked out lol.
Normally they wouldn’t have ended the fight but they needed an excuse to since they were going to kill each other
The stupidest shi ever
@@xhunter_killuax4768 in neither of the shows do they stop the figths after being knocked out for a second igts the writers just handing a win to kengen ashura so their fans dont get their panties in a twist
Powet scales debunked
I think it shows how strong jack has gotten because he forced raian to use his removal to win
I was hoping this fight was gonna finally activate jacks demon back but unfortunately they still want to shit on jack for some reason
Baki Rahen 🗿
Wasn't it a tie?
Jack is a bit an rape Child from yujiro so...only crap can happen to him 😢poor jack
no bro jack literally stronger
They would not do that in a movie💀
Jack vomiting was definitely a fan service callback. The movie is filled with them. I’m honestly glad their fight was cut short. Spared us from more Papenbrook Raian.
Its the real thing becuase yall power scales are now DEBUNKED
Bruhhh Baki literally had gone toe to toe with Yujiro prior to this crossover and we just got a draw with Ohma, and I think it's just giving respect between the writers because we knew Ohma ain't doing shit to Baki.
still they robbed him of his victory as same goes for Jack.
baki dominated the entire fight and then at the end when ohma did "advance" yujiro stepped in immediately.
@@JimboS1ice999I wouldn’t say dominated but controlled at least most of the fight but I feel like the advanced technique was interesting to Yujiro
@@JimboS1ice999definitely didn’t dominate the fight however baki definitely had the edge
Later, Ohma would be equal to baki. While Connector would be equal to Yujiro.
You Baki fans can kiss my ass .kengan got abilities to that are effective.yall just mad he couldn’t ko my boy suck that shit up .Baki show really some fairy tale type shit .
Jack may have lost which disappoints me. But at least the fight was much closer. It wasn’t completely a one sided massacre. Jack bit good chunks off from Raian. Also gave him a couple of good punches and kicks. Hopefully Jack gets his revenge next movie. But it sucks that Jack keeps taking L’s. The disrespect has to stop.
It was one sided lol they did jack dirty him losing his muscles and smiling the whole fight was embarrassing
don’t warry, jack ain’t gonna take no more L’s, baki rahen is looking good for him
Nah, he will get the biggest L probably in baki dou💀💀nonstop L's @@griefer5846
@@Sainzaaa03you didn’t watch the original Baki did you?
@@puggerexe4276I watched Baki but it’s been a while, why did jack puke out his muscles? Was it to lean out and gain speed? I’m jus a bit confused
6:40 Baki is so casual with his words
His English dub sounds more human and less anime-y if you understand me
@@cheesist6998Bro baki sounds fkin gangster in english dub baki verse should of fkd them all up
Such a damn let down i was waiting all this time FOR THIS!?
Go touch grass it was good
@@chadmoschino2607 I'm talking about the end where yujiro and the demon lance dude didn't get to fight, it was good though
The fact is why would Jack vomit out all this chemicals Jack has been so above doing that unless it was like a last resort
Sad for me. Jack lost his height and got bully like ali jr. Sorry if my eng not good😅
Let’s be honest Jack in no way got bullied the way Ali Jr did although I do think Jack was the only character that didn’t look good
Bully? Nice joke.
So you noticed his height loss too? Yeah I thought that was weird.
I don't think it was as bad as how Jack beat Ali jr. But he definitely got robbed in this fight.
The throwing up again was just a dumb call back imo.
Jack could and wanted to still fight but accepted a loss by decision and that's so unlike Jack.
Plus these are fuckin Baki characters, they can sustain extreme blood loss and even limb loss and still keep going and Jack was honestly not that damaged as far as a pretty typical Baki fight goes.
In the manga hes even taller then pickle. Bro for some reason loves being tall
@@No1gameru r right.
When the punching bag of alternative anime is have more plot armour than the jack hanma strength.
"Scripted fight from the beginning"
My dude, it's fucking FICTION, no shit it was scripted from the beginning! It's a crossover designed to hype both series, everyone's going to get to look good and the results of the fights are arbitrary. I could get upset that my favorite character, Saw Paing, was written to literally headbutt Hanayama's fist repeatedly until he knocked himself out, even though the Hammer of Burma was always intended to target the opponent's head, but i recognize that this crossover has no bearing on the canon of either series, so I just move on.
Well said 👊
Still got to repesent the characters correct. For example saw paing just head butting fist. Thst make me wana wath that show even less
they have the power to do anything they want and this is it. its trash and a waste of time.
@@lionsenkei1621 I agree that it was underwhelming, but for most Baki fans, anything other than seeing their characters get sucked off and no-diffing every fight would cause them to bitch.
You don’t have anything to feel bad about, it’s not like any Kengan character would have beaten any Baki character if they were unnerfed
Raian won which makes sense I'm glad they made the right call
They made the undefeated pickle look like a little boy who was knocked down by a kick 😂😂😂
It's like Baki characters are DC comics and Kengan are Marvel.
I’d say it’s the other way around tbh but it doesn’t rlly matter
No he is correct. Yujiro got hit by lightning and didn't give a F and kept walking. Dodged a bullet with his brain, stopped an earthquake with his bare fist, soloed an army with no weapons during vietnam war. And the list goes on.
So you sure buddy Kegan are DC 😂😂😂@@mudassarkhan8330
@@mudassarkhan8330do you mean marvel is stronger than DC or kengan is stronger than baki ?
@@CaporalRyan no I’m saying Baki suits marvel better because it’s more mainstream and famous and Kengan suits dc. Nothing about stronger or weaker
People don't seem to understand that they nerfed the characters so they'll Macth nerativlliy
We get it, we just don't like it.😊
I really don’t know what people expected
Because people dont understand that not everything is about powerscaling, like that first reply
@@checkthebush6500 they made sawpang do the same move 4 times to give Hanayama the win the writers are hacks they could've tried a lil bit harder
Not realy nerf but they kinda buffed the kengan characters simce they are in the baki verse i mean think abt it in the baki verse it makes them defy the laws of physics like running on water and breaking the sound barrier with your hand so if thr kengan characters were made to be in the baki verse which means they also get the logic or same capabilities of the baki characters
The only thing I was disopointed was:
Jack and raian: sharing the same height which it's impossible
Ohma: being kind and calm like baki
Jack swallows more steroids as if he doesn’t swallow a bucket full every day.
I didn’t like that they made Jack the same way he was in the Maximum Tournament …
2:00 i was genuinely believed jack doing that face was him trying to imitate the removal. I missed the drugs x ray completely lol
You gotta look at it like the 2 old men were having their favorite Pokémon fight each other. And it's like Hey, Hey, Hey, Hey guys, you're not supposed to hurt each other.
He knocked out pickles? What a load of crap.
Not really you guys seem to forget how strong ohma is
@@Dominique-fl6mm Bruh, Pickle, the guy who kills and eats dinosaurs with his bare hands 💀, ohma isn’t even an Appetizer
@@jordanwilliams2557Disaster series
@@itsraiankure bs series, they down scaled the entire Baki verse
@@Dominique-fl6mm Pickle beat everyone besides yujiro and musashi. Ohma isn't doing a damn thing to him
I thought all the fights from this movie were just okay. Honestly it was more fun just seeing all these different characters interact. I like that Oliva and Julius were best bros, haha.
They were best Bros and turtles.Two jerks interrupted them which was weird
@@brandonfitzgerald-eo3tkwhy did they even do that? It was out of nowhere
@@ghostfloxks7414 I think the reason why both characters did that is because deep down their j******When you think about it, one's a prankster.And the other was just lazy as happy
@@brandonfitzgerald-eo3tk I didn’t know the older master was “lazy”
Baki was like this fight is crazy vs. crazy and you know what that means.
To be real, i was so hype that i didn't care that jack lost or that the fight was short. yeah, i wanted jack him to win, but, the battle was so cool that i didn't care. I was scream and my smile was bigger than the jokers, i litteraly couldn't stop smiling
how could have liked this match?im not saying jack shoulve won but let it play out why did they stop it when jack was only knocked out for a split second they never did that shit in Kengen, remember raian vs mokichi? or baki vs jack? why did they only do that here? oh yeah because they got lazy
@@peerc30 i understand. I turn my brain off and enjoy the fight, but after seen it again
, i knew how bad it was, but, i still like it because i got to see jack fight again even tho is in a embarrassing mediocre way. As long as i get to see my favorite charact fight am happy. (jack should have won)
Jack vomiting all the steroids is not Fan service call back, wdym
bro got nerf after that. 😂
Ohma should not be able to even MOVE pickle. Kenyan universe got some major plot armor.
Jack falls asleep for a sec from a choke "CALL THE MATCH" Baki ali jr's Omha at the start of the fight flat on his face "hmmm lets see where this goes"...
They were keeping the Kengan verse happy with this crossover.
The thing is, if Jack and Raian had a draw as well Kengan would lose since Ohma and Baki will obviously have a draw. The only way for Kengan not to lose if Jack and Raian drew is if Baki pulled something similar to Yujiro before he fought the Grand Kiohin saying that if he didn’t win their first victory wouldn’t count
Guys it was not a robbery, Remember that they are both from direfent universes and power scale the reason why I dont like baki is because they do some stupid stuff that is not normal, for this crossover to be made I said it before and at the end I was right, They had to nerf Baki Characters because they are Stupidly broken, it was not a robbery, all Character were placed between the same power level for this to be enjoyable, This is how it was to supposed to go down.
You act like kengan ashura doesn't have unrealistic and crazy things happen in it too lol so many kengan defenders use this reasoning and it's just stupid lmfao
@@No1gamerFr like how tf did you summon bloody clouds and become stronger
They putt kengan characters in the baki universe so ofc they are on the same level, like people said “if yujiro was in the opm or db universe he will be much stronger” a mean, thats a crossover, i dont fucking care about the power scaler thing. (Sory for bad english ;-;)
You hate baki because they do stuff that isn't normal?
....bro, your boy turned purple
@@No1gamerkengan does have some unnatural and weird stuff ofc, its fiction afterall. But I think this guy is talking about supernatural stuff which baki has but kengan *ashura* doesnt(miyamoto being ressurected, man from jurassic period being frozen in time etc)
Jack got disrespected so hard , all that effort even when his body adapted to massive amounts of drugs, they make a small capsule of drugs to cause him to go skinny and not even give him a boost of any kind is just wild, I know I shouldn't be invested in the character but oh my god the amount of times he's just been beaten is just dumb, hopefully he unlocks the demon or something similar cause he needs a boost for real
Have you not watched the original Baki series?
@@puggerexe4276 yeah I seen the original baki series and I know that during the underground tournament when Jack and baki fought, Jack had the same situation were he threw up all the steroids, but in that moment they say his hanma blood allowed him to keep his physique and how his body transcended the drugs saying he created a miracle but then baki used the demon back against him and he lost
It would be better if this crossover was a tv series.
hanayama's vice grip made sense but jack's maxing out power up felt like bs and a lot cheaper here than in the maximum tournament. I'm not mad about the outcomes. Idk why people expect accurate powerscaling in a damn crossover. it would also be a draw in a fight between naruto, ichigo and luffy if naruto, bleach and one piece had a crossover special and this is the case right here. what I'm disappointed at is the animation quality.
Raian would've win either way but i just hated how jack lost but they were both nerfed
Bro jack made raian actuall loss muscle😂
Baki fans are mad their power scaling got debunked i wish this was the same for other animes cus these power scaling things are getting boring to watch or read and just annoying now if animes debunked every power scaling then nobody would power scale anf just enjoy the show
-peace out
What’s the instrumental music that you have playing over your commentary??
I love how salty Raian was despite winning lol
I don't think they so much nerfed Jack just remembers he punched Pickle hhe weight 200 kg and he fly 2-3 meters and he have so Insanity reaction and just remember He can just kill Raian one single punch
Poor Jack was used for the fall guy
Funny how Saw Paing was knocked several times but wasn't declared a loser
True
Because the second fight would be a bloodshed
I cant agree more than you
To be fair raian is very powerful like he literally split a man in half with his techniques
He was trying to do that in this fight if you noticed.
yeah i was like granted this aint Omega Raian, which got even stronger with the latest chapter, but mans legit split a man in half with pure strength alone against another removal user lmao
Bruh, a weaker jack beat up a polar bear, Raian needed to spilt that man from his mouth cause he couldn’t do it without an opening, no Baki character should have lost
And? These baki characters are equivalent to literal dinosaurs, that weight TONS and can squash your body in a millisecond. Kengan has NOTHING on that
@@jordanwilliams2557they are now in the same universe (uncannon) which means they can also be strong we are talking about the universe where you defy physics and be an absolute unit so kengan kinds got a buff since they are in the same universe as baki
Jack didn’t not lost pickle interrupted the fight Raian and jack were a tie
they declare Raian the winner before Jack woke up. He passed out for a few seconds, none of they were knockedout before that.
The only reason they shorten their fight because it's not an episode
They did Jack way too dirty in this fight
While the Baki characters were nerfed, I still had an enjoyable time as it would be really boring if they just knocked out the Kengan characters in one hit
This whole movie was a DISASTER lmao
This is what we call in DBZ, the Vegeta treatment
It's clear that they nerfed the Baki verse a lot. It would be better if they had packed the Kengan characters further into the story and manga then you wouldn't notice it so much with the nerfing and scaling
Im gonna be bitter when they remake the musashi arc and we gotta relive jack getting his ass kicked by Motobe smh loss after loss
It’s a damn shame what they do to jack. Just a punching bag and he’s my fav character too. Gets no respect
atleast jack will finally get the spotlight when rahen is animated
saw paing being on the ground for 30-40 seconds=nothing
jack being on the ground for like maximum 5 seconds= yeah nah he clearly lost 🤓
He lost consciousness clearly
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It still would count as getting knocked out for the paing guy too, that's their point. @@koz3ris252
Real fighting rules at least if you're on the ground not getting up within ten seconds unconscious or not then clearly you clearly can't fight any longer and you lose but the rules here clearly were flavoring the kengan fighters.
We know Baki characters do not go down or stay down so easily.
Do none of you guys remember how Jack was on the ground for a whole 20 seconds in the first half of the fight when Raian was mocking him? Or y'all just being stupid. They called the match when Jack lost consciousness cause they were gonna end up killing each other. On top of that Raian could have killed him easily just by snapping his neck once he lost consciousness. If anything it was really out of character for Raian just to let go of Jack's neck instead of tryna snap it. Jack lost fair and square the writers of the series have decided that.
in the second match they were looking for a chance to end it the earliest possibile because it was a super gore Bloodshed while in the First fight everyone was chill
I just don’t get how yujiro and kuroki treated baki and ohma like they were nothing when Baki beat yujiro recently so they’re on the same level and ohma is on par with Baki in this fight. How is it that Baki and ohma are fodder compared to those two when Baki beat his dad and Ohma is shown to be on bakis level it doesn’t make sense.
first of all baki dont really beat his father by strenght second thing is kuroki give yujiro chills wtf XD
@@JonasMohr-r4gkuroki aint shit to yujiro
@@JonasMohr-r4g baki on his his fight literally made yujiro said he felt pain and started bleeding, not only that but he surprised multiples times and call it a good fight , but this other mf was like "y'all two are not even close to touching us 🤓" like bro bro read the freaking series and yujiro would eat that other guy if wanted , and you know am right .
@@cesaredits6726 of course ouls yujiro destroy the other guy in the baki manga he would disrespect him ass fugg but its ok not to blam a franchise in a crossover and yeah i know baki did pretty good against yujiro but he still isn stronger
Well we aren't the writers you need to talk with the powers that be about that.
Even though they should prioritise Jsck since Baki Rahan shows him as the protagonist getting stronger, it was s close fight though. My only complaint is the lack of movement and overall stuff. Felt like the 2 just stood on the same place during the entire fight.
Okay that was not the voice I was expecting the come out of that body is that the same voice actor for Ryuga😂 6:35
It wouldn't have been close if raian used the kure techniques so anyone crying that jack got nerfed so did raian
It's not current jack that for the time line looked like right after pickle before father son fight.
My main issue with this fight is that, instead of throwing his signature uppercut, which he was in a perfect position to unleash, Jack got up and retaliated with hanayama's overhand right. This aggravates me beyond reason, it's just plain wrong, especially since it was shown in a "oooo he did the thing" way
Wow how r they going to do jack dirty like that
No one gonna ask how he knockout pickle
Unbelievable
If they hadn't baking would solo all together
Cope😊
You could argue jack was desperate for a win by any means after the loss he faced from pickle + watching Baki fight His dad. The problem being jack wasn’t fully recovered and had a bad reaction (I could be reaching). You could also argue they called the fight early cause they thought someone was finna die. It’s nice to see jacks pride wasn’t hurt seeing he got up and believed he would still be able to continue even tho his fight was prematurely stopped.
It’s mostly because Raian is Sandro’s princess
I’m okay with suspending certain aspects of logic, but not power scaling. Ohma should not be able to even MOVE pickle. Kengan universe got some major plot armor.
They kinda just wanted to give raian anything because he doesn't have a manga adaptation rn. They allowed jack to take every hit without any sort of reprisal, and then they did the "maxing out" trope he's only done once since against baki...they were really pulling shit out of their ass for jack to lose here.
I am okay with the way they did things, there needed to be one battle where kengan came out on top over baki. They have to take away a lot from jack to make him an interesting matchup in the kengan verse. I think what makes this matchup taste so bad was just how they had to nerf jack for this one, where he's unrecognizable. The jack that faced pickle and the jack in this crossover are completely different characters.
I'm a Jack Hanma fan myself, but it's not Raian's fault Jack does not have submission defense. He may be superior in strength, but if he is not smart enough to negate a simple choke by controlling Raian's arm with an overhook, it's his own fault for losing.
I wonder if people would still be upset if saw pang won against hanayama and Jack beat rayn
My issue is how well animated Baki vs pickle was (which was multiple episodes long btw) compared to this movie especially this fight tho
It should have been big character vs side character. Like hanayama vs sawpang. I dont mind seeing raian stomping Retsu or Doppo
Jack traded his strength for speed when he threw
He's honestly weaker when he's skinny
Raian wouldn't have choked him out if he had his neck muscles
I'm genuine animanga fan and I don't usually get deep into anime debates like this but cry about it real fans of both anime know the fights ended fairly and correctly
Ppl keep saying characters got nerfed no this movie gave y'all complete accuracy in the timeline of which these two universes obtain new techniques or power ups.
Exactly what i was thinking ! Well said ❤ !
They had to give kengan character the win since a baki character already won the 1st round
I agree the guy missing chunks of muscle is in worse shape those were huge bites
Finally someone with a justified and true opinion on this fight!
This isn’t the truth raian beat the fuck out of jack
@@reachova2times162 Prove it
@@reachova2times162bruh, a weaker jack beat up a polar bear, no Baki character should have lost
@@jordanwilliams2557why would a manga creator agree to a cross over just for his cast to be crapped on?
@@puggerexe4276 who said he did?
Well this is before jack got another bone lengthening surgery, titanium teeth and his goudou so it kinda make sense that Raian slaps pre sumo arc and jack arc Jack Hanma
Still it's not in Manga only in netflix
Tbh that makes me believe this is not canon then unlike what people desperately want to believe lol
@@No1gamerwho believes this is canon?😂
Do you guys forget that Raian ia AN ACTUAL DEMON???
I’ve been following Baki since before Kengan was a thing and honestly I think raian would actually beat jack. Jacks the weakest hanma and raian is debatably the strongest Kure currently. Jack needs modifications and enhancements to keep up with the top tiers in Baki but raian is from a bloodline of warriors. He doesn’t even use his family techniques because of how OP they are and prefers to just overwhelm his opponents
For those of you complaining about this what did you expect in a crossover the strength of these charachters won't be cannon at all if it was all the fighters from baki would of won in a single attack
I don’t know what you mean they were knocked out tons of times, neither of them were knocked out until Jack was knocked out. Ohma also didn’t knock out Pickle, he just kicked him and stopped him similar to Retsu, Pickle was only knocked over
Na, Baky would have to win !
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the first fight they didn't nerf
the second fight they nerfed jack a lot
the third fight baki was just holding back
I would have liked to see Raian vs pickel from the start. Raian is supposed to be the high of fighting evaluation from selected breeding. And pickel is like the the OG original model.
You guys just gotta remember the crossover isn’t canon
It’s crazy how in Baki sometimes a fighter will be down for a while then they won’t call it but they’re call it real fast when the fighter is supposed to lose jack kneeled down for like 20 seconds they didn’t call it jack falls down from getting choked they call it ASAP even tho he gets up right away lol
Two things 1. they were gonna kill each other so they had to call it. 2. It's really out of character for Raian to let go of Jack's neck once he lost consciousness consider Raian snaps people's necks for fun.
@@MLG_KINGPIGGY7 calling out a flaw on rian character while not mentioning none on jack is crazy , jack should at least right now be a little bit below pickle and pickle has shown better feats than rian even current rian from omega
@@MLG_KINGPIGGY7 Going to kill each other is nothing though. The Underground Arena has no qualms with deathmatches and they had a whole arc about the willingness to risk death (Ali Jr).
Fight def shoulda been made different. Anyone else curious to see pickle vs bando?
6:02 does pickle came save jack(Kissing Partner) are u serious?
jack biggest weakness is shortcuts(Using Streoids) he use several times but later he understood that that was a temperory method for big fights later he learned many things and in manga he much stronger than previous chapter . in latest chapter he met pickle again and hug him with dirty homeless suit. Jack dosent matter how he looks like him.
i mean making kenagn lose all fights wouldnt have been a smart move marketing wise and yes everyone tried to end the fight as soon as possible because of how fierce that fight was worried about them dying
Baki is on a level with his dad ,oham shouldn't stand a chance with baki
Jack could have win , but they had a cheat and because Hannah win his fight I think Jack could’ve won. They just had a cheat him.
Kengan verse was maxed to adapt baki verse logic. Baki fans bois can’t take the L
They nerfed Bakiverse so the fights could be more entertaining instead of Having the Kenganverse get low- diffed.
Just enjoy it 🗿