@@Pinkio At the end of each level, there is something called a frame rule, and basically it is a set amount of time to wait before the next level starts (I think four frames but idr). It is compared to a bus because if you get there either early or late, you still move on to the next level at the same time. But if you miss the frame rule/bus, then you hafta wait another cycle to move on.
Absolutely crazy. The only thing we need now, is for someone to hit lightning 4-2 and a perfect 8-4 in a run to match the TAS. Absolutely nuts. Of course, I'm not saying this is easy by any means, but the fact that it's the only thing missing is crazy.
Imagine a cargo ship that comes and drops off a super mario bros level on to the dock, however if you don't get into the level the moment its dropped off you have to wait for the next cargo ship to drop off the next level
Correct me if I'm wrong but it'd be broken down like the following right? --21 frames lost against the TAS in World 4-2 (0.35 seconds or 1 "framerule") --4 frames lost in the beginning of the 1st room of 8-4 due to imperfect fast accel --3 frames lost at the turnaround pipe in the 2nd room of 8-4 --2 frames lost at the end pipe of the water room...which can probably be chalked up to nerves since Niftski usually hits this perfectly 9/10 times in runs --2 frames lost for opting out of doing a fast accel out of the pipe in the Bowser room 32 frames, or 0.533 seconds
Just about. The "difference to TAS" timer is unfortunately a little off - the actual breakdown is -21 in 4-2 (you were exactly right) -4 in room 1; 3 due to imperfect fast accel, and 1 due to Niftski not going for the extremely difficult "falling fast accel" -1 in room 2 (not shown on timer) due to again, not going for falling fast accel (he hadn't planned to go for this fast accel at all, but did because of the room 1 timeloss) -4 in room 3 due to not going for "double fast accel" and slightly imperfect execution -2 in the final room due to, as you said, not going for the final fast accel So yeah all in all 32 frames
@@jackringel485 damn. So, hypothetically, if one could get insanely good at fast accel. and nailed every one.... they could save 11 frames from this run without even doing a perfect 4-2 framerule.... But what is harder?
@@BryceRogers_ falling fast accels are much harder since they require R,L,R on subsequent frames. Also Niftski has gotten lightning 4-2 5 times in a row, so hopefully we’ll see a new wr soon 👀
Lightning 4-2 is basically a variant on how the TAS saves that framerule in 4-2. If he can add that to his current, and lose no more frames in 8-4, the new record would be 4:54:448. After that, all the gains would need to be in 8-4, all via fast accel.
Y'know, I think the time lost came from 4-2 when Niftski used the glitch instead if going above. If someone were able to do that and save time, they theoretically could make a 4:54:2xx
Yeah, currently attempts are going on for 4:54.6xx using "lightning 4-2" to save that extra time; it's an EXTREMELY difficult trick but it's the last framerule needed. They're going for an 8-4 that's not *quite* as crazy as the one in this run however, which is why it works out to .6xx and not even lower
That buzzy mic reminds me of playing this game on that 100 games in 1 SoC NES clone, on that crappy CTR at some random classmate's house. I was so poor I went to do homework there just to be able to play these games afterwards. (Don't think we ever finished the game btw) The RCA cable (or was it a SCART adapter?) Was faulty obviously so some static and glitches were expected. I think I might have been genuinely happy back then.
Well depends what you mean. Fastest ever 8-4? He already matched the tas. Faster than his current WR? Absolutely he lost double the frames he lost here in that run. Fastest ever in a full run? Tall order but probably at some point or another since he is so good at the game.
Likely, if he tried using the bump strategy, he’d either get a slower or equal framerule to what the gets. The TAS just does it so optimally that it’s lightning 4-2
There is a thing called framerules, where the game only checks every 21 frames if the level is compleated. That is the reason why many people compare a mario level with a sprint to the bus stop
@@julienbronsch5039 so if you complete it at frame 22 you need to wait 20 more frames, and since the TAS and Niftski completed the level before the 21st frame they loaded the level at the same time, right?
It's not slower. The time lost from waiting for the bullet bill is more than regained by not having to wait for Mario to jump off the flagpole and walk to the castle.
It s faster because he walks against the block and the game thinks he is at the house behind the flag (There is a hidden block after the door which starts the end screen of a map).. So the flag dosn t need to come done (like with pole glitches) but extra... he dosn t need to jump from the pole and have to walk to the hous :D
The TAS looks like a grown up playing while the player looks like a child playing it's a lot more precise on the TAS not saying he's not precise to but still
Heres how it works. Basically in the game theres like a sort of counter that runs which is 21 frames long. This is how timer and other stuff works, once theres a 21 frame cycle timer goes down by one. When switching levels (either from a pipe or level end) there are 6 cycles before the next level starts. However, if the timer was right at 0 when the cycle starts, its optimal. However if ur one frame late, then u have to wait 21 more frames for another cycle to end because if the timer was on 0, u just have to wait till the next cycle starts and then u have 5 cycles left. If however u come one frame late, then u miss the framerule or lets call it cycle, and so u lose 21 frames, making it possible to only gain time with 21 frames. There are 2 exceptions to note tho: 1. Lag frame A lag frame usually only happens in that speedrun when u try bullet bill glitch (sometimes), simply because the game doesnt finish rendering the frame within the time it has, so it pauses the game for another frame to finish rendering, but it can be prevented if u have a certain score apparently. 2. 8-4. Throw out framerules in 8-4, every frame counts from here as the game/speedrun stops from the frame u touch the axe
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He only missed his bus once
Darbian would be proud
and that is a RIDICULOUS bus to catch. they call it "lightning 4-2"
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(i'm not too much into speedrunning, someone please explain me the joke lol)
@@Pinkio At the end of each level, there is something called a frame rule, and basically it is a set amount of time to wait before the next level starts (I think four frames but idr). It is compared to a bus because if you get there either early or late, you still move on to the next level at the same time. But if you miss the frame rule/bus, then you hafta wait another cycle to move on.
it’s 21 frames (.35 seconds)
I bet the TAS was eating pizza
Underrated comment lmao
he could've saved another minute if they had a coke
weed
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Absolutely crazy. The only thing we need now, is for someone to hit lightning 4-2 and a perfect 8-4 in a run to match the TAS. Absolutely nuts. Of course, I'm not saying this is easy by any means, but the fact that it's the only thing missing is crazy.
imagine losing more frames from the frame rule than from 8-4
I know right! Crazyyyy.... oh wait... who has time to imagine such things?
For anyone who doesnt know frame rule, imagine a double-decker bus
double decker sandwich deluxe
A double decker couch..
I don't understand the whole frame rule thing. Can anyone summarize it with a vehicular metaphor of some sort?
Basically a bus that Comes at interval of time
So when you get to the bus stop (end of the level), you need to wait for the next bus
Imagine a cargo ship that comes and drops off a super mario bros level on to the dock, however if you don't get into the level the moment its dropped off you have to wait for the next cargo ship to drop off the next level
It’s like a stoplight. If you arrive when it’s red, you have to wait
Correct me if I'm wrong but it'd be broken down like the following right?
--21 frames lost against the TAS in World 4-2 (0.35 seconds or 1 "framerule")
--4 frames lost in the beginning of the 1st room of 8-4 due to imperfect fast accel
--3 frames lost at the turnaround pipe in the 2nd room of 8-4
--2 frames lost at the end pipe of the water room...which can probably be chalked up to nerves since Niftski usually hits this perfectly 9/10 times in runs
--2 frames lost for opting out of doing a fast accel out of the pipe in the Bowser room
32 frames, or 0.533 seconds
Just about. The "difference to TAS" timer is unfortunately a little off - the actual breakdown is
-21 in 4-2 (you were exactly right)
-4 in room 1; 3 due to imperfect fast accel, and 1 due to Niftski not going for the extremely difficult "falling fast accel"
-1 in room 2 (not shown on timer) due to again, not going for falling fast accel (he hadn't planned to go for this fast accel at all, but did because of the room 1 timeloss)
-4 in room 3 due to not going for "double fast accel" and slightly imperfect execution
-2 in the final room due to, as you said, not going for the final fast accel
So yeah all in all 32 frames
@@jackringel485 damn. So, hypothetically, if one could get insanely good at fast accel. and nailed every one.... they could save 11 frames from this run without even doing a perfect 4-2 framerule.... But what is harder?
@@BryceRogers_ falling fast accels are much harder since they require R,L,R on subsequent frames. Also Niftski has gotten lightning 4-2 5 times in a row, so hopefully we’ll see a new wr soon 👀
@@PretzelBS damnn!!! I just watched that video today. What a god
imagine having nerves and still only missing 2 frames because of it
TAS is an absolute legend
It's crazy how close he is. Can't wait for him to hit lightning 4-2
Lightning 4-2 is basically a variant on how the TAS saves that framerule in 4-2. If he can add that to his current, and lose no more frames in 8-4, the new record would be 4:54:448. After that, all the gains would need to be in 8-4, all via fast accel.
@@SkilletToast Bro relax
SMB speed runners smashing their hands into permanent carpal tunnel to the most joyful music possible just to save the sub-frame of a frame
If you go cross-eyed, and line up things like pipes & stairs from both sides, it looks like you're watching a FlibidyDibidy video! :D
If you watch it like a stereogram, you can see one mario trailing just behind the other as your eyes line up to the scenery.
amazing......ly close and both are amazingly skillful
Y'know, I think the time lost came from 4-2 when Niftski used the glitch instead if going above. If someone were able to do that and save time, they theoretically could make a 4:54:2xx
Yes. There are couple of ways to do lightning 4-2. Go check his channel.
Yeah, currently attempts are going on for 4:54.6xx using "lightning 4-2" to save that extra time; it's an EXTREMELY difficult trick but it's the last framerule needed. They're going for an 8-4 that's not *quite* as crazy as the one in this run however, which is why it works out to .6xx and not even lower
@@jackringel485 Yeah, with the exact same 8-4 run it would be 4:54.448.
@@raelik777 Exactly, but it’ll probably be a *while* before there’s a WR that includes lightning 4-2 *and* an 8-4 of this level
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The amount of times speedrunners have heard PLOING PLOING PLOI PLING DING is crazy
So, imagine a bus.
That buzzy mic reminds me of playing this game on that 100 games in 1 SoC NES clone, on that crappy CTR at some random classmate's house.
I was so poor I went to do homework there just to be able to play these games afterwards. (Don't think we ever finished the game btw)
The RCA cable (or was it a SCART adapter?) Was faulty obviously so some static and glitches were expected.
I think I might have been genuinely happy back then.
Niftski officially tied the RTA TAS to 8-4. That was insane, and I'm curious to see if his 8-4 gets even faster in the future...
Well depends what you mean. Fastest ever 8-4? He already matched the tas. Faster than his current WR? Absolutely he lost double the frames he lost here in that run. Fastest ever in a full run? Tall order but probably at some point or another since he is so good at the game.
For some reason this is only 30 fps, reencoded at 60 fps.
WR-level Mario 1 speedrunners scare me a bit
CAN YOU GUYS STOP STEALING FOOTAGE FROM BADABUN ABD CLAIMING IT AS YOURE OWN FFS
Not even stealing his current PB footage, just to make it believable
contents irrelevant anyways. Badabun did a run with 2 cokes and an entire 10 inch pizza and beat the game in 4 seconds.
tru
Is the fast accel out of the final pipe TAS only?
No just hard to pull off consistently
Niftski's own 4-segment sum of best is equal to the RTA TAS (which is completely insane)
@@hexagon_ it’s 3 segments, 1-1 to 4-1, 4-2 to 8-3, and 8-4
@@matheuscabral9618 Wait he cleared lightning 4-2 and then got all the way to 8-3 afterwards in one segment??
@@hexagon_ yes, he even got a very good 8-4
Craziest thing is that they can match the tas on 4-2 it would just be hard
If frame rules weren't a thing and the level loaded instantly after it was completed, how fast would the two runs be, and how big is the gap?
What if theres a way to clip in th staircase in 4-2
I don't understand where he have lose time on the underwater section ? Help Please :)
Regards,
He actually didn't - the timer here is just a little wrong
He entered the pipe late
@@B20-77 Nope - the “comparison to TAS” timer is a little off, he was perfect in water
framerule, bus
imagine a
Wait I thought 4-2 was optimized did he not have lightning 4-2 in this run?
He did not go for lightning on this run
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How come in 4-2 the tas uses the, what i thought to be slower method to get the wrong warp?
It doesn't really matter as long as it gets the desired frame rule
TAS doesn't seem like the most talkative person...
oh nice
Would the thing in 4-2 be difficult to do ?
Niftski has already done it in practice I believe. It’s just a matter of it being done Real-time I think
1:53 He lost the frame when trying to clio through the wall.
Likely, if he tried using the bump strategy, he’d either get a slower or equal framerule to what the gets. The TAS just does it so optimally that it’s lightning 4-2
how were they at the same spot when 1-2 started even though the player got to the flag a bit later?
There is a thing called framerules, where the game only checks every 21 frames if the level is compleated. That is the reason why many people compare a mario level with a sprint to the bus stop
@@julienbronsch5039 so if you complete it at frame 22 you need to wait 20 more frames, and since the TAS and Niftski completed the level before the 21st frame they loaded the level at the same time, right?
@@Moald yes
Framerules
bus
Why are the colors different?
because the palette used by the emulator is different
Why did they pause for the bullet bill in 8-2 ending? That just makes it slower
It's not slower. The time lost from waiting for the bullet bill is more than regained by not having to wait for Mario to jump off the flagpole and walk to the castle.
It s faster because he walks against the block and the game thinks he is at the house behind the flag (There is a hidden block after the door which starts the end screen of a map).. So the flag dosn t need to come done (like with pole glitches) but extra... he dosn t need to jump from the pole and have to walk to the hous :D
do you really think world record-level players would be doing if it were slower, on maybe the most optimized speedrunning game ever? think. lol
@@NoJobRob this isn’t the most optimized speedruning game ever
@@matheuscabral9618 ok. I said maybe, as in it's up there. point still stands.
This could be the human limit.
Well no? People can achieve 4:54.265
OK there are still 5 frame rules to be saved
No? There is 4-2 famerule and nothing else, and Niftski has gotten L4-2 before, just not in a full run
There are the 21 frames in 4-2 via lossing the 1 framerules
And then he lost a couple in 8-4 by just not playing optimally
@@Unlimited_Powah he lost a few frames in 8-4, not frame rules, theyre very different.
Didnt he had 945 seconds ? Not 798 :/ .
1-2 можно быстрее пройти , вы теряете 5 секунд времени
TAS Speed run does faster!
The TAS looks like a grown up playing while the player looks like a child playing it's a lot more precise on the TAS not saying he's not precise to but still
Nah he is the tas
🐄🐄🐄
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He slowed down once in 4-2 And he slowed down 4 times in 8-4 5 frame rules
8-4 has no frame rule. Run ends when you hit the axe and mario freezes (last frame of input I believe?
slow
I'd like to see you go faster 😂
so true
@@appalacha7278 bet u would but im not showing u
@@appalacha7278 Just do the minus world route on FDS and get to Peach way faster. 🙃
fast
I don't understand the whole frame rule thing. Can anyone summarize it with a vehicular metaphor of some sort?
Heres how it works. Basically in the game theres like a sort of counter that runs which is 21 frames long. This is how timer and other stuff works, once theres a 21 frame cycle timer goes down by one. When switching levels (either from a pipe or level end) there are 6 cycles before the next level starts. However, if the timer was right at 0 when the cycle starts, its optimal. However if ur one frame late, then u have to wait 21 more frames for another cycle to end because if the timer was on 0, u just have to wait till the next cycle starts and then u have 5 cycles left. If however u come one frame late, then u miss the framerule or lets call it cycle, and so u lose 21 frames, making it possible to only gain time with 21 frames.
There are 2 exceptions to note tho:
1. Lag frame
A lag frame usually only happens in that speedrun when u try bullet bill glitch (sometimes), simply because the game doesnt finish rendering the frame within the time it has, so it pauses the game for another frame to finish rendering, but it can be prevented if u have a certain score apparently.
2. 8-4.
Throw out framerules in 8-4, every frame counts from here as the game/speedrun stops from the frame u touch the axe