The Cadillac CTS V-Sport Is Criminally Overlooked
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 21 ส.ค. 2024
- On this episode of R&T's Three Lap Reviews, Travis Okulski and Sam Smith take the 2018 Cadillac CTS V-Sport out at Lime Rock Park and discover this American sedan is more of a 5-Series than any 5-Series BMW has built in years. It's also damn good at drifting.
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I own one of these and everything they said is true. It’s a great performance car but also can be docile around town, plus it looks spectacular even to this day. Mine is a 15 and stands out at the market parking lot. Best 30k value you can get…nothing performs close.
how does it handle on the road? (and on the track/windy areas?)
They are wrong in this video about the engine being related to the ubiquitous GM 3.6 used in cars like the Malibu. The same displacement is about the only thing the engine in this car has in common with rank file permutations of that block. The engine in this car has been reengineered from the block on up. It shows, too. It pulls like like a V8 and you would never know it was turobcharged. He is right that it is absolutely the right engine for that car. While, I do like a V8 like anybody else, it's simply out of place in cars of this size. I've been in M5s and CTS Vs and, to me, those cars feel like project cars... like somebody said, "Hey, let's drop an old 350 in this little car and see what happens!" The VSport is an incredibly engineered car.
You do know its turbod but only in a good way. I have never been in any car that pulls uphill on the highway in top gear under 2krpm like this. Even a v8 will shift down. The crazy ass torque right off the bottom is astonishing too. You'd have to spin up a mustang or a Corvette a little but the twin turbo v6 is smoking tires off idle.
Do this car have the same engine as the 3.6 CTS? Minus the turbo's of course.
Malibu doesn’t come with a v6
Ty
I think I'm getting a used Vsport. They're under $30k...the value is ridiculous. I want a car with some luxury that drives like a car should drive, and doesn't make me look like a wannabe boy racer when I'm just trying to get around town.
@Ross Kecseg I just got a 2014 V Sport (not premium), paid $26k with 47k miles. Only got to drive it home at night in the rain, but it feels special already. Can't wait for my next day off!
Lol. You can't find another car like it right now. I bought mines used about a year ago. I love this fn car. Super luxurious and definitely fast as hell. I owned a Bmw 5 series before this car and I loved that car... But this thing is a different beast.
Get the premium. The difference used is only a few thousand and it is completely worth it!
@@charleshein4477 I wanted to but there are very few vsport premiums for sale.
@@aluisious I looked a few days ago on cargurus and, couldn't find any cts v sports on a nation wide search
It’s a shame cause it’s a very unique looking car among many that are now starting to look the same copying each other.
I love the look of the CTS. Mercedes look so...yeah I get it, you used to have $90k, great.
I have a 2019 V Sport and I love it! No complaints
Reminds of a review of the Buick GS, that said that it had slapped some GTP badging they wouldn't be able to build enough of them . Even the base 2.0l CTS model is that damn good. I would recommend them to ALL newly starting Uber drivers. Highly flexible for timeshare. And it will help you keep your driver rating up. Look for one with a non white interior, so it will be harder for people to mess it up.
If you were to ask the average car enthusiast, they would say that BMW has gone down the crapper, yet the CTS-V and every other Cadillac like this is still "criminally overlooked."
I've had a 2014 for 7 years now as my daily driver. Love it.
How’s the gas mileage on it?
@@cesardaniel8690 I have one as well and I'm getting 25.5 mpg combined. I drive it a lot, north of 420 miles a week give or take.
V sport = The ATS front end, The CTS body style and the XTS rear end with the same 3.6 litter (Thats in the regular ATS correct me if i'm wrong?) but turbo charged.
0-60 in about 4 seconds and still getting close to 30 MPG on the freeway?
Really love ALL the V Series cars especially the championship edition CTS-V the last of the V series.....
the atsv and this car have the same motor just detuned and the atsv has titaniom connecting rods. This car is just an atsv on a cts plstform
Thank you for all the information bro. What year of car are you talking about?
@@ernestocarrillo72014-2019 is when the CTS V-Sport was produced. Their is a CT6 with the same engine if I’m not mistaking that runs from 2014 or 2015-2020 but it has about 15 horse power less than the v sport. It’s a little bigger too
Too bad they're discontinuing this line!!
i’m sold!! definitely getting one
How do you like it?
I am almost 50, was looking for a grown up looking car to trade my Mustang Gt in on. I think this might be just the ticket. I drove a full on V and while I loved it, it isn't the daily driver/cold weather/rain/traffic but still fun sweet spot that the V-sport appears to be.
One place I do see lots of these is Vegas and I'm glad. It would be a fantastic dd and wouldn't have to worry nearly as much for maintenance (and cost of) versus the German competition. really only thing extra I wish it had would be supercruise, the cheap plastic here and there and capacitive screen wouldn't matter at 2/3 cost
I'm still rolling my 04 CTS n it has 300,000 miles. The older Caddie's r legends. It looks like a creeper but runs when I need it to!
Another bonus- your kid knows it's you in the school pickup line.
In the US, European Car Dealerships are notorious for overcharging for Service!!!! That coupled with poor quality of BMW!!!
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No one buys them because they like their brand, they are brand snobs. Yet they have to get rid of them in 3 years because they fall apart. How do I know, because I worked at both BMW and Mercedes for fours years a piece. I saw cars coming in with around 20-30,000 kms and you would think they had 150,000 by the amount of trouble they had with them.
Head gaskets at 10,000kms, rear end issues, transmission problems, leaks inside, paint issues etc. Thank god they had warranty. What I laugh at is the people who say "they hold value better" that is true to an extent. They hold better value in the first 3 years but when you have to trade and get one with warranty because it might fall apart, your value doesn't equal what you have remaining. That goes most every brand I know but other brands will last to the point of equal or great trade value.
Beautiful cars but I wouldn't waste my money. Not sure what Audi is like but the other two brands aren't the greatest. No matter how much people say they are.
@@Huey7703 can't afford what? A BMW. Lol fool they aren't that expensive. Why would I buy something that is junk.
@@Huey7703 are you brain dead or just butt hurt over someone not liking a brand you like? Wait it's both right. I run my own franchise, GP fuels look them up. I worked on those cars dummy.
If you get pissy over someone saying what is true then LEAVE THE INTERNET. Face it they are junk. If you like it then just stfu about it and stop flooding the world in your tears from all the crying you are doing over TH-cam comments "Waaaaa he bad mouth a brand I like, so I have to say he is poor, and doesn't have a job" Hahaha fuck you are dummer than you write.
You’re absolutely right, the high cost of ownership would keep me from buying this, there’s a lot to go wrong. I’m going between this and the Chevy SS.
Huge difference between merc and BMW made in Europe versus USA/everywhere else. Every merc and BMW made outside Europe falls apart and has horrible electronic problems. The same issue Cadillac has together with having engines that are super hard to repair. Worked for both BMW and merc for years and most issues we get are USA bought models.
Why did Travis look like he was battling with IBS through most of the video? Lol.
Anyone knows about the reliability on these cars ?
U remind me of “straight pipes”, you guys can be..... “muffler delete” :) great review!
Now that this bud even older they are available and I love how little people know about them bout to mod mine as soon as I get it wil be a great time and plenty in the market rn :)
Should I buy a 2015 model of this with 50k on it for 23k?? Seems like a great car, but I truly did not get on it a ton during the test drive
Don't know if it's too late, but definitely get one if it's well maintained, the car will give you permagrin.
Buy this next month cheers boys sick video
can anyone comment on how these hold up? any issues with yours?
well personally i dont have a v sport, but ik someone who does and hes had no issues throught his couple of years of owning, i have a 2011 cts 140k miles and going strong, so id say the cts platform is pretty reliable in comparison to other cars of its class...mainly the german counterparts. but ofc it is gm at the end of the day so you may have issues but very low chance
Is this the same engine from the ATS V? Looks like an M550i and an E53 and an S6 rival
Lartix same engine but detuned. Also the ats v has titanium connecting rods
The reason these don't sell is because yes it has the performance of a bmw but the interior of a Peugeot.in Europe these aren't cheap at all there competitive price with m// and amg jags and alfa are cheaper and a nicer products.
I hear this a lot but I love the interior of my car. I think the problem here is a) I see the VSports in the media that have the RED interior. A red interior never looks good except 50s era 'vettes. b) they usually use the non-premium version with the analog gauges which are admittedly pretty low end looking. Also they don't come with the full leather package like mine. The horn on my steering wheel is leather for God's sake! My dashboard is leather! So much leather!!! You don't get that in the German cars for under six figures. c) some people don't like piano black but you know what, a LOT of manufacturers are moving towards it. Like Audi, Bentley, ... It looks so great and Cadillac was at the forefront. d) this is nearly the same interior as the Escalade which NOBODY complains about (except for the column shifter (which is crazy)).
Its interesting how all these car reviews talk about the same negatives. No matter the channel. He says Malibu v6. Hard plastic. Q system. Meanwhile I got many cars in my life , and never once touched the dash to "feel" plastic hardness 😂
Try finding one!!! Impossible!!!
I found me 2019 V Sport in White with red/black interior. Bought it with 24,000 miles! I love it! No complaints.
@Roadandtrack what mode are you in while drifting on track???
How does the transmission compare to the zf 8 speed in the bmws?
How did this one have recaro seats .....
What people truly fail to realize the bargain they are getting. With a simple cold air intake, down pipes and a tune. They will have the same power as the V at the cost of a V-sport. Granted you won't have the sweet sound a that nasty LT4 but there are exhaust options for the Cadillac Vsport as well.
As a vsport owner I can tell you you'll never get v power out of a vsport. No one has even broken 500hp with one yet. There's next to no performance parts available for this car.
@@difioreraviolishop7002 why not is it's the basis for the LF4. I'm sure if they did the same upgrades that have been done the the ats-v. The results would be close to the same. You saying a tune, down pipes and a cold air intake wouldn't net similar numbers. The LF3 is already making 420hp/430tq compared to the LF4 464hp/464tq. They aren't that far off from each other stock. So similar upgrade would have similar results. At the very least make 550hp at the crank.
@@transam2002ws6 no one makes down pipes or an intake for the vsport. You can adapt atsv stuff to fit. 1 guy did and had a custom tune done to match. His gains weren't worth to effort and money. The vsport has a very free flowing exhaust and good intake stock so there isn't much to be gained. And also no one has ever gotten a stock vsport to dyno in at 420hp. They usually show around 385ish stock. While it is close the the lf4, that's still just a better motor. Trifecta the company that makes the best tune for this car will even tell you it's pointless to spend the money on intake and exhaust stuff. Gm milked pretty much every last bit of power out of the lf3 they could. The tune gets you the last bit. The other issue is the lf3 turbos are weaker than the lf4. Can only get so much out of them. Plus our fuel delivery system can't handle a whole lot more than what it does. It'll starve for fuel. I'm eventually going to try and break the 500hp mark with a meth injection, also something never been done on this. I figure that with a proper tune should get me there. The highest rating I've seen on forums was 460ish.
This car is great. But I really want a CTS-V. If I could afford it at this point in my life, I’d buy one new to support Cadillac, and because I think it’s genuinely one of the best cars for sale now. Unfortunately being a millennial I can’t afford one (though I am doing relatively well compared to most my age). But I’ll pick up a lightly used one in a few years.
get a cts v coupe run for 30-35 k or a first gen 10K
Same man! Good luck when you buy the V3
Trust me I feel the same way as you... I'm doing well but not well enough to justify the purchase. I'd say save your money and invest in real estate, allow your ROI to pay for your car. Start small, it's not about buying a 200k home right away, start at 50-100k and go from there. If your pay is decent and credit is ok you can definitely qualify for a home loan on something smaller. As much as I want a CTS-V it would be the one of the dumbest purchases to make without having additional income first... Good luck though and at the end of the day it's your money, just putting my two cents in. Hopefully we'll both be CTS-V owners in the near future!
So is the CTS going to be the CT6 or? I mean you wouldn't hear BMW killing off the 5 series or Mercedes getting rid of the E class. Cadillac is so lost. They make good sports cars but horrible luxury cars. That's why they don't sell for there absurd price
Just buy the Premium Luxury version. It's very nice inside. Plus, the "CUE" was replaced in 2017 with an all new system.
CT5 to be released by 2020. It will be sized to match competition.
Hyundai/Kia hired so many of BMW's engineers, and BMW replaced them with Toyota engineers. So Hyundai/Kia are getting more fun to drive, and BMWs are becoming more bland and reliable! Makes perfect sense! BMW has NOT been the ultimate sporty choice since the F01 and F80 launched. BMW has been very middle of the road and inoffensive premium cars for a wide market, and it shows.
Don't believe everything you read! :)
More Criminally ruined this video is who thought to put this terrible moaning music over this video wtf
...it does sound like someone is waterboarding a robotic duck.
aluisious lol right
The issues with this vehicle have to do with everything but performance. When one buys a performance sedan, attributes such as roominess and ease of use have to come in play, in addition to performance. Back seat is tight. The material quality doesn't match a Mercedes. And CUE is a disaster.
Nailed it!
What GM done to this and the ATS is what GM always does and that's NOTHING... I've been a GM guy for over 30 years and I've noticed when they actually work at making a good product and come out with it, it's hyped up for about a month or till all the "car people" drive it and you never hear about it anymore... GM will let it languish without any changes for a few years then discontinue it, they have no consistency.
I don't care about the back seat. If a human can sit in it, that'll be fine for the 4 times anyone ever does.
Material quality doesn't match Mercedes...I don't care. I drive a Ford Taurus now (fleet vehicle).
CUE is a disaster. Oh well. I guess it is. As long as I can feed music to it by USB I'll survive, that's what I've done for ten years.
Does the car handle like a dream, without looking like a wannabe track car? Is it seriously cheap used? Yes? Sold.
I have had 3 Cadillacs with CUE the latest being a CTS Vsport and for me it is the best infotainment system out there. Rarely do I need to touch the screen because most functions can be done via voice controls and steering wheel controls. I have used them in the Mercedes, Audi and BMW and the CUE is better than any of them; especially the Idrive.
I have one of these cars and have heard all the complaints about CUE and the fit and finish. I like CUE and LOVE the interior. Nonetheless, last week I rented a Mercedes through Turo while on vacation. What a joke! Fit and finish?!?! You can literally touch the steering column under the steering wheel. And their infotainment system was incomprehensible! To go to the next track on Spotify, you push the DOWN arrow on the steering wheel AFTER you change the steering wheel mode to audio. The few complaints journalists even make about the VSport are unjustified. It's an incredible car.
I think what scares most people away from this car is the fact that it's a GM, which isn't exactly known for reliability.
How old are you? GM makes a damn reliable car ESPECIALLY compared to the Germans.
Exactly! GM ripped me off on the 80's so badly with the Cavalier Z24 and it's engine light problems that I vowed to NEVER by another GM car again, and i haven't and every chance I get I still try to drag them through the mud! They should have thought about "future" buyers back then when they were trying to bang "current" owners, like me back then, in the behind, with their sh*tty products! Screw them!
@@Davedkc omg! That is hilarious! It's like a parody of an old guy complaining about GM!
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Get a charger scatpack instead
These beat scatpacks....
Honestly the interior quality is a step below most german rivals and the CUE system is absolutely awful, although not as bad if u use apple carplay. They need to redesign CUE before they can advance their brand any further at this point, in my opinion. Also the exterior design is looking very “last generation” nowadays
Karl Supal while BMW exterior still resembles an extremely early 2000's model of a gallant, Lincoln ls, and itself
@@summerperrillioux1156
lol no it doesn't
Sorry. The interior is beautiful ( I have the premium which is much nicer inside) and CUE is a pleasure to operate. I own one of these cars and love almost everything about it. The problem is that the automotive market is a mature one and people have made their brand selections - and that's it. I love Cadillacs for my own reason. I deluded myself into thinking I was open minded and went to look at BMWs and Mercedes before I bought my car but I found all kinds of reasons not to buy one. I would never buy one of those cars. I'd always find something wrong with them. That's the way it is with people against Cadillacs. The reasons they come up with now are crazy. Things like, "If they're so great, why isn't anybody buying them" or the "fit and finish isn't up to Germans" from people who don't even know what that means! Now, I will say you might be onto something regarding the exterior styling of this car . From certain angles it looks like the coolest car on the road and from others, it's awkward at best.
Funny how Caddy's CUE gets criticized for having a touch screen when Tesla doesn't...
You lost me at V6
ur dumb
Cadillac should stay luxury not a fucking race car this car is a fucking disgrace to cadillac
What I find interesting about ANY review is that they all sound the same no matter who does the review. When I buy a car, I look at the whole package not just all out performance. I am well endowed, so getting to the next light first is unimportant. I already have a fast German car but I wanted to look at a Corvette. Great performance at a great price. But the interior quality and the Batmobile looks (personal choice) turned me off, so I bought a Porsche GTS. Hell, I didn't want to be the richest man in the cemetery. As for an everyday driver, I have a luxury Japanese car. Dead reliable and I keep them well over 10 years. Sorry Cardiac!
Loser
Is this satire?
I hear that this V6 is only good for 120k miles and then its shot! That is.. If you take good care of it it will last 120k or so.
That's scientific!
Not true at all. In the v-sport forums there are a ton of tuned v-sports well over 100k and some in the 150k who regularly track these cars and no issues at all. These cars are overbuilt and made to take abuse. I personally only have 50k on my tuned v-sport and I beat the crap out of the car daily and its still consistently drops 12.3 quarter mile runs the same as 48000 miles ago with no cylinder pressure drop and consistent oil analyses done.
the reason people don't buy it is because Cadillac is crap.....one of the highest cost to own brands there is. Get a Lexus
Jack Class no thanks, Lexus is boring. Whats crappy about Cadillac? I think they look awesome, offer good performance, cost a fraction of its European competitors and way more reliable than its european competitors. Pretty nice id say.
Lexus are grandma cars, with the exception of the GSF, and that thing is damn near $100k.
Lexus was the ride in 90s-2010?? After that the new ones with that ugly ass front fascia is very displeasing.