Thank you for uploading this recording. I listened to it endlessly in the early 70s and now the record is unplayable, so this is a re-discovery, and to have the dots to follow is just amazing. .
Foarte colorat, plin de miscare, dinamic in toate felurile, o poveste vesnic alta in desfasurarea ei. Extrem de muzical...♥️ O poveste spusa in cele mai diverse armonii si ritmuri. O minune
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The main motiv of the 1st movement comes from Moravian folksong "Šohajíčku, čí si". If you wanna hear the song, it's here: th-cam.com/video/QmGuuFa2Nh8/w-d-xo.html
Look a the Con Moto 224 marking per quarter in bar 3. They play it at about 76 BPM per quarter!!!! Plodding as hell! The Baerenreiter Praha urtext reads 160 per quarter. You would think the "Janacek" quartet performers would have been a little more faithful to the composer...no? The rest of the performance is quite good...although some of the tremolo sections are "sawing" rather than mysterious. As an alternative, listen to the BSIQ Omer Quartet rendition...must more to my liking.
Metronome markings are to be taken with a grain of salt. Beethoven probably mis-read his metronome by reading numbers from the bottom of the slide instead of the top. Numerous composers have disavowed their own metronome markings after a piece was published and performed. Shostakovich conducted his own music at totally different tempos than he had marked. In fact sometimes a good recording by a quartet that knew the composer or knew how a piece was played in a composer's time -- that can be a better guide than the metronome marking. In this case, I agree this recording's first movement tempo is slower than others I've heard -- but I like it a lot. It's less tense and frantic and you enjoy the gentle quality of the music. There's certainly plenty of up-tempo craziness later in the piece.
I’m writing a dissertation on the tempo differences in this quartet. I know what you mean. It’s maddening to see/ hear the wide differences between the urtext and the various editions
@@nicholasc6686 It could be both. But this isn't the only recording from this era that is like this. It's not impossible that the instruments were tuned up, but I'm not sure.
I don't think it's a mistake - it's just the way they phrase the beginning: Going forward on the crescendo, then taking extra time on the first beat of the second bar.
@@martinstanzeleit5361 But the second bar has the correct rhythm (and meter), and the 16th notes are played at the same speed in the first bar as in the second bar only they left out an entire beat (the last 8th note) --> I would not go so far as to allow removing an entire beat and justify it as an expressive device.
@@thomasnicholson They are taking time to emphasize the sf in the second bar. To me, that's still rubato (literally: 'stolen') - steal a beat in the first bar, and add it in the next.
It took me a long time to habituate to the wiry sonorities of string quartets. Had I started out with Janacek's Quartets, I probably would have given up, because he does use a lot of intense bowing. But the quartet literature is worth any amount of effort needed to get into it.
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Thank you for uploading this recording. I listened to it endlessly in the early 70s and now the record is unplayable, so this is a re-discovery, and to have the dots to follow is just amazing. .
You've got an exquisite taste!The recordings is incredible!
The imagination of Jancek is always full of surprises.
Nice! A sonata based off of a book based off of a sonata.
A string quartet based off of a sonata that then had a book based off of it.
A Czech string quartet based off a Russian novel based off of a German sonata named after and dedicated to a French archduke, to be precise.
Anyone up for writing a book based on this quartet?
A book should be written on it
The legendary double tone poem
Foarte colorat, plin de miscare, dinamic in toate felurile, o poveste vesnic alta in desfasurarea ei. Extrem de muzical...♥️ O poveste spusa in cele mai diverse armonii si ritmuri. O minune
The main motiv of the 1st movement comes from Moravian folksong "Šohajíčku, čí si". If you wanna hear the song, it's here: th-cam.com/video/QmGuuFa2Nh8/w-d-xo.html
For me it is the best rendition of this quartet
Amazing piece ❤
Adagio 0:06
Con Moto 0:33
II con moto 1:28
Con moto 4:49
Con Moto 9:00
Vivo 10:16
Andante 10:51
Con moto-Adagio 12:53
Un poco piu moso 14:13
Adagio- Piu mosso 15:23
I like Janaček when he uses key signatures..............
excelente. gracias !
Perhaps the best performance!
amazing...drama...
Great piece...
Look a the Con Moto 224 marking per quarter in bar 3. They play it at about 76 BPM per quarter!!!! Plodding as hell! The Baerenreiter Praha urtext reads 160 per quarter. You would think the "Janacek" quartet performers would have been a little more faithful to the composer...no? The rest of the performance is quite good...although some of the tremolo sections are "sawing" rather than mysterious. As an alternative, listen to the BSIQ Omer Quartet rendition...must more to my liking.
Metronome markings are to be taken with a grain of salt. Beethoven probably mis-read his metronome by reading numbers from the bottom of the slide instead of the top. Numerous composers have disavowed their own metronome markings after a piece was published and performed. Shostakovich conducted his own music at totally different tempos than he had marked.
In fact sometimes a good recording by a quartet that knew the composer or knew how a piece was played in a composer's time -- that can be a better guide than the metronome marking.
In this case, I agree this recording's first movement tempo is slower than others I've heard -- but I like it a lot. It's less tense and frantic and you enjoy the gentle quality of the music. There's certainly plenty of up-tempo craziness later in the piece.
I’m writing a dissertation on the tempo differences in this quartet. I know what you mean. It’s maddening to see/ hear the wide differences between the urtext and the various editions
Hello! Are you done writing your dissertation? I would love to read it since I will perform this quartet next year.
Is it just me or is this recording is a semitone higher than written?
yup lol
It's probably just as a result of the older recording technology, but, yes, it does sound a semitone higher than it should.
@@iiiiiiiiiiiiiiiivy I'm not sure it does...I think its just slightly sharp...
@@nicholasc6686 It could be both. But this isn't the only recording from this era that is like this. It's not impossible that the instruments were tuned up, but I'm not sure.
is "A = 440" written in the score?
Why did they play the end like that?? There's a dim to pp...
Daniel Knapp personal interpretation. I personally like it
Why is it so tortured?
That ponticello tho
500 miles high? Anyone?
Gotta love when the recording starts off with the wrong rhythm...
Surely you mean wrong tempo?
@@martinstanzeleit5361 I do not...3 beats in measure 1, 4 beats in measure 2
I don't think it's a mistake - it's just the way they phrase the beginning: Going forward on the crescendo, then taking extra time on the first beat of the second bar.
@@martinstanzeleit5361 But the second bar has the correct rhythm (and meter), and the 16th notes are played at the same speed in the first bar as in the second bar only they left out an entire beat (the last 8th note) --> I would not go so far as to allow removing an entire beat and justify it as an expressive device.
@@thomasnicholson They are taking time to emphasize the sf in the second bar. To me, that's still rubato (literally: 'stolen') - steal a beat in the first bar, and add it in the next.
Which string quartet is performing?
Janucek Quartet, Supraphon - 50556, 1984
Is it just me or do I not hear the famous Kreutzer sonata in this.
It's not inspired by Beethoven's sonata, but Leo Tolstoy's book "The Kreutzer Sonata"
@@leonlinton634 ahhhhh Tolstoy! I read his Death of Ivan Ilych. Very good author that really makes you think deeply.
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Tolstoi,Beethoven Janacek
Beethoven first.
Frustrating music for first violins. .No long ,easy melodies .Perfect for second violins and violas .
i can appreciate the music itself but honestly i just can't stand the sound of solo string instruments so screechy i can't help it
Tomáš Štefan I think that was the purpose.
It took me a long time to habituate to the wiry sonorities of string quartets. Had I started out with Janacek's Quartets, I probably would have given up, because he does use a lot of intense bowing. But the quartet literature is worth any amount of effort needed to get into it.