Nice work. If I was doing this I would use a long bag and put the glued laminations into the bag and bend it into that shape around the form and pull the vacuum. You could do both at the same time by doing half of the ellipse. Use Urea Formaldehyde glue.
Love it! It is awesome planning something you haven't tried before as a critical piece in a project. The mistake are well worth the knowledge and the end results. Can't wait to see how it turns out!
I'm sure you're aware of this but there are several PVA glue formulations that are less stressful for veneer layups (Titebond III, Titebond veneer, Unibond, etc.). Can also go polyurethane, urea formaldehyde or epoxy but those are obviously messier and/or smelly. Cheers!
Huge fan of your work.. All I could think about when you were breaking that lamination was the channel man news lol thought you weren't going to break it.
Yeah, those cold Canadians. That’s why I spend my winters in Texas. Just too cold and too much snow. I could take it when I was younger but now at 74. Nope can’t do it
The top starburst should be veneered after the edge, so it hides the 3ply...also use longer opentime glue..titebond3 or titebond cold press for thin veneers
I used to build countertops with oak edges we would just soak them in water and form bend them and it works every time sometimes the old fashioned way is still the best. K.I.s.s
True, but, if no one ever tried to find new ways of doing things because the old way “works”, we would still be getting places on horseback or horse/carriage, lighting our homes with candles, etc.
I just always feel like things need to be balanced and honestly once you glue it to the table radius it doesn’t matter. However if you only glued one outside later then let it sit in the shop it would curl up like a potato chip because it’s unbalanced.
You might consider a second port on your vac table. One you could hook your shop vac to. Suck out the bulk of the air then let vacuum pump do the rest. Should be quicker and may extend the life of your vacuum pump. Also:had you considered but a thin nylon or some other fabric in the bendy board
When I’ve done vacuum forming in the past we used a really thin mesh to help distribute the air flow around the whole “mold/work piece” it stops trapped pockets of air. Plus gotta pull those wrinkles out the bag as the pump draws the bag down on the work piece.
I enjoy these vids, but subtitles distract from watching. May I suggest you both wear lapel mics? That way we could hear you without you having to aim at the cameras.
Isn't the energy in those bends still present in the board you bend this way? A latent energy wanting to assert itself straight again, you know? I'd think it would always be trying to pull itself loose. But I know nothing 🙂
I think you’re right but the adhesive is stronger than the energy in the wood. It’s very similar to a bent lamination, once the glue sets the wood is stuck.
TH-cam Influencers with a multi-jillion dollar commercial grade sponsor-provided workshop showing average people with maybe four or five power tools from Home Depot "how to" do stuff. And still, you screw things up and still you talk off-mike (about irrelavent stuff) and even use unsafe techniques (pushing a long strip of wood into your monster bandsaw with your thumb instead of a push stick!) Why am I watching this?
I could care less if you watch my videos but before you go let me set the facts straight. I do not have anywhere close to a multi million dollar shop, the fact that you think that immediately discredits any knowledge you may have about the woodworking industry. The value of my machinery and tools is less than $45k. I borrowed $25k from my local bank to buy all my big machines on a five year note. I threw all my TH-cam earning at that loan and paid it off in 2 years. I make around $750 a month on TH-cam, 90% of my business revenue is from making furniture for my clients, been doing it for over 10 years with not one un happy customer. I work really freaking hard for my business, sometimes at the cost of being a good father and husband. I don’t normally respond to these comments but man you really pushed a button. Good job on being a key board warrior now go away👍.
Thank you for this video. I do appreciate you sharing this plywood build. And I admire that bandsaw
what i think is you guys do amazing work .
Nice work. If I was doing this I would use a long bag and put the glued laminations into the bag and bend it into that shape around the form and pull the vacuum. You could do both at the same time by doing half of the ellipse. Use Urea Formaldehyde glue.
Good technique Andy. Pretty cool to see how you worked through that.
Ya sure was…thanks for the look
Andy i love your videos
Love it! It is awesome planning something you haven't tried before as a critical piece in a project. The mistake are well worth the knowledge and the end results. Can't wait to see how it turns out!
I'm sure you're aware of this but there are several PVA glue formulations that are less stressful for veneer layups
(Titebond III, Titebond veneer, Unibond, etc.). Can also go polyurethane, urea formaldehyde or epoxy but those are obviously messier and/or smelly. Cheers!
Hey Andy,
That was a cool technique. I love the experimentation till you get it right ... just remember to write down what works! 🙂
Interesting, Andy. I did think it was kind of funny/over the top to see those narrow strips going through the wide belt sander.
Bill
Huge fan of your work.. All I could think about when you were breaking that lamination was the channel man news lol thought you weren't going to break it.
Yeah, those cold Canadians. That’s why I spend my winters in Texas. Just too cold and too much snow. I could take it when I was younger but now at 74. Nope can’t do it
2:41 as a Minnesotan, it’s not fun to live where the air hurts your face within 2 minutes, and causes damage in 20 minutes
The top starburst should be veneered after the edge, so it hides the 3ply...also use longer opentime glue..titebond3 or titebond cold press for thin veneers
I'd work outside in the snow before I work in silence. Crank it up 🔨🔨
I used to build countertops with oak edges we would just soak them in water and form bend them and it works every time sometimes the old fashioned way is still the best. K.I.s.s
True, but, if no one ever tried to find new ways of doing things because the old way “works”, we would still be getting places on horseback or horse/carriage, lighting our homes with candles, etc.
In this application, why did you need matching outer layers? Wouldn't 2 ply work?
I just always feel like things need to be balanced and honestly once you glue it to the table radius it doesn’t matter. However if you only glued one outside later then let it sit in the shop it would curl up like a potato chip because it’s unbalanced.
@@AndyRawls agreed, I'll be interested in seeing how you finish the top/edge joint.
Looks like another cannon video in the works too?
You might consider a second port on your vac table. One you could hook your shop vac to. Suck out the bulk of the air then let vacuum pump do the rest. Should be quicker and may extend the life of your vacuum pump. Also:had you considered but a thin nylon or some other fabric in the bendy board
Thanks and no I haven’t but I like the idea…might have to try that.
When I’ve done vacuum forming in the past we used a really thin mesh to help distribute the air flow around the whole “mold/work piece” it stops trapped pockets of air. Plus gotta pull those wrinkles out the bag as the pump draws the bag down on the work piece.
Can also laminate with tendon or carbon fibre like a bowyer would
I enjoy these vids, but subtitles distract from watching. May I suggest you both wear lapel mics? That way we could hear you without you having to aim at the cameras.
So you invented plywood. In a pretty complex way. :)
😎😎😎👍👍👍
Isn't the energy in those bends still present in the board you bend this way? A latent energy wanting to assert itself straight again, you know? I'd think it would always be trying to pull itself loose. But I know nothing 🙂
I think you’re right but the adhesive is stronger than the energy in the wood. It’s very similar to a bent lamination, once the glue sets the wood is stuck.
@@AndyRawls Amazing it can overpower that stored energy. BTW, love your channel
We Canadians are a tough bunch lol.
Haha! There’s no doubt about that!!
Why are you saying this isn't lamination?
Good point.
Just learned from a comment below you can buy Titebond Veneer!
you invented plywood
I bet you can bend a workbench into the shape of a horseshoe...
ᎮᏒᎧᎷᎧᏕᎷ 😔
TH-cam Influencers with a multi-jillion dollar commercial grade sponsor-provided workshop showing average people with maybe four or five power tools from Home Depot "how to" do stuff. And still, you screw things up and still you talk off-mike (about irrelavent stuff) and even use unsafe techniques (pushing a long strip of wood into your monster bandsaw with your thumb instead of a push stick!)
Why am I watching this?
I could care less if you watch my videos but before you go let me set the facts straight. I do not have anywhere close to a multi million dollar shop, the fact that you think that immediately discredits any knowledge you may have about the woodworking industry. The value of my machinery and tools is less than $45k. I borrowed $25k from my local bank to buy all my big machines on a five year note. I threw all my TH-cam earning at that loan and paid it off in 2 years. I make around $750 a month on TH-cam, 90% of my business revenue is from making furniture for my clients, been doing it for over 10 years with not one un happy customer. I work really freaking hard for my business, sometimes at the cost of being a good father and husband. I don’t normally respond to these comments but man you really pushed a button. Good job on being a key board warrior now go away👍.