When I visited GEC years ago I was surprised. You can watch the production floor from an elevated level. Of the dozen or so machines visible there was only 2 people working. We walked around and I stuck my head into an office just to let someone know I’m visiting. The secretary got someone to give me a tour. I didn’t realize it until we had been talking for an hour it was the owner. It’s production on a small scale.
Good video, I’d love to have more GEC knives but I refuse to pay the aftermarket price, I’ve always had a rule that I’d never spend as much on a knife as what I could buy a firearm for as I’m a shotgun hobbyist as well so $350-$450 knives are just not my thing. But yeah GEC’s are top notch I just wish I could afford them. So like you say yeah it sucks that they immediately get price gouged the way they do.
The worst part of this for me is when I see knives that I stupidly let go years ago and now that they’re discontinued is going for crazy prices. That makes it really hard to add it back to the collection. I’ve been wanting to add a Benchmade 707 Sequel back to the collection and now I have to pay 250-300 for a 154cm knife.
Let’s talk about the fact that some GEC retailers do this too. Example the Tractor Green 15’s were consistently low $100’s shipped, then there’s TPK that had them listed for more than $180! That to me is more gross than the individual seller making profit.
I don’t have a problem as much with the after market as I do with GEC refusing to up there production which would fix the after market problem with there knives. I get the machines are old and staffing but it would seem to me like many companies they could modernize and still produce good knives. Chinese can do it with modern machines 🤷🏻♂️ but they have to want too
This boils down to why your just not a typical business man. You have ethics dude. I am the same as you. I have lost money to sell to people , cause i knew they loved the knife and would keep it and enjoy it.
They made a Bowie in m390... But its like 59-60rc m390 from Taiwan, so low performing and low value. The xhp is better performance and goes up to 63rc. Taiwan s90v is also 59rc max, while USA is 61-62 on average. Though 5 years ago Spyderco USA was all 60 or below for most of their steels like s90v and m390. So the older ones are less performance and in return, less value.
Yet you do not offer it. You would rather promote senseless conspiracy theories. we are not having it without the facts. You say every heat treat from Taiwan is the same HRC. Thanks for making my point.@@tacticalcenter8658
I once Purchased a knife 10-12 years ago from the company called Northwood knife company called the Presidential, I had my pick of like 16 different blue bone knives so i chose my Favorite. I recently(currently) saw this knife for $1050.00 on ebay! Now i may have paid $225-275 originally but Holy Smokes! I Love it and Hate it!
I’ve been a member of BF for years, buying and selling the whole time. Lots of good people there and I’ve only had positive transactions (at least 100). I’ve sold some pretty scarce, desirable knives. My rule for max pricing that I’ll sell a knife for is what I paid plus estimated shipping. As far as GEC’s, if I see msrp plus shipping, then it’s definitely a ‘buy’. If it’s a GEC that I just have to have, then the max I’ll pay in my mind is $200. Haven’t hit that yet though.
regarding the whole consumer confidence thing, that really only matters if you care. i dont give a fuck what a knife sells for after i buy it. i bought it because i want it, not to make a profit.
GEC could probably increase production if they'd cut the patterns offered in half. As a rule I don't sell a knife outright for more than I paid for it. If it's an auction I'll do the same for the starting price and let the market decide what it's worth. This helps avoid the grossness factor.
I’ve had this thought pattern for the past few years now. The secondary is getting out of hand in my opinion. There’s some bros out there but not many!
If a manufacturer is seeing bots buy all of their inventory and then selling for double, they are leaving money on the table. They should just raise the price of the product so that it's no longer competitive to scalp them, and honest customers can actually have a chance of buying for less than double the price.
Dude, i equate this to sports autographs…it’s a complete market of non fans pushing crap in front of athletes to sign just to sell. No matter what market , you get grifters…sucks but part of capitalism.
Had a Slysz Bowie in M390 and Blue Ti handle. Sold that sucker bc I didn't enjoy carrying it. Did the same with the 781 Anthem I had with the blasted ti (as opposed to the anodized gold version). I sold them both for profit and kept what I enjoyed carrying. Didn't think twice about it, because people are willing to pay that price. I think makers limit production to artificially inflate prices. We saw it with Hinderer a long time ago, and we're seeing it with Strider now. CRK is even getting into the game with lead times as long as 6 years...lol It's all artificially inflated, IMO. Simple equation of demand versus supply. Emerson is another brand that inflates prices. People are paying for the name as opposed to quality or materials. I've sold knives for profit, because people pay that aftermarket price. If people didn't pay that aftermarket price, then there wouldn't be any sellers selling knives for an inflated price. I've personally used the profit to reinvest in knives I want.
With the exception of bots, none of this really bothers me it’s the same with good watches, guns and cars. I think people should have the right and the wherewithal to make money. But bots do bug me.
Seems like you put more heart into products vs ur head bro. You are using “gross” as a word for profit. Just be glad there are people placing higher values on your products or interests. It’s positive growth. Isn’t it better that your knife may be worth $600 now vs worthless?
@@peen2804 i don’t know man…i just never heard anyone say “ its gross that my car is eorth more than i paid” or “its gross my house is worth more now” or “its gross my nike airs are worth so much more”… He’s saying that about knives…
It’s gross no way around it. GEC will always be worth more than case regardless of aftermarket scumbag flippers bc quality is so much better. BRAPE is wrong.
You are wanting the mass production to destroy a private market??? You are literally wanting the corporate giants to win over us little guys? I know you mean well but look deeper into what ur saying or asking for. U seem bitter you are missing out or not able to capitalize while other guys are…
Yes, you “little guys” don’t deserve to operate in a market when you are charging people double or sometimes triple and more than what the manufacturer does. It’s disgusting.
Did you just say gross? Gross as in margins or like stepping in dog shit? Investing in knives can be profitable just like any other hobby like coin collecting, it’s the same. It sucks for you because you don’t want to pay the price but that’s just the way it goes. I’ve learned to live with it and think about what might be more sought after later and scoop it up. Was gross the word of the day today 🤣🤣🤣
When I visited GEC years ago I was surprised. You can watch the production floor from an elevated level. Of the dozen or so machines visible there was only 2 people working. We walked around and I stuck my head into an office just to let someone know I’m visiting. The secretary got someone to give me a tour. I didn’t realize it until we had been talking for an hour it was the owner. It’s production on a small scale.
Online knife retailers need to do more to combat bots and cart snipping👍
Great discussion. I will never overpay for a knife.
so brave
Good video, I’d love to have more GEC knives but I refuse to pay the aftermarket price, I’ve always had a rule that I’d never spend as much on a knife as what I could buy a firearm for as I’m a shotgun hobbyist as well so $350-$450 knives are just not my thing. But yeah GEC’s are top notch I just wish I could afford them. So like you say yeah it sucks that they immediately get price gouged the way they do.
The worst part of this for me is when I see knives that I stupidly let go years ago and now that they’re discontinued is going for crazy prices. That makes it really hard to add it back to the collection. I’ve been wanting to add a Benchmade 707 Sequel back to the collection and now I have to pay 250-300 for a 154cm knife.
I agree, I unfortunately stop buying knives. Happy with what I have.
Let’s talk about the fact that some GEC retailers do this too. Example the Tractor Green 15’s were consistently low $100’s shipped, then there’s TPK that had them listed for more than $180! That to me is more gross than the individual seller making profit.
Second hand Gec prices specialy on ebay are beyond gross.
I don’t have a problem as much with the after market as I do with GEC refusing to up there production which would fix the after market problem with there knives. I get the machines are old and staffing but it would seem to me like many companies they could modernize and still produce good knives. Chinese can do it with modern machines 🤷🏻♂️ but they have to want too
This boils down to why your just not a typical business man. You have ethics dude. I am the same as you. I have lost money to sell to people , cause i knew they loved the knife and would keep it and enjoy it.
On February 29th, 2024, KnifeJoy will be releasing an exclusive Spyderco Slysz Bowie with a blue anodized titanium handle and satin M390 blade👍
How do you know when new exclusives are coming? I'm new to knife collecting
They made a Bowie in m390... But its like 59-60rc m390 from Taiwan, so low performing and low value. The xhp is better performance and goes up to 63rc. Taiwan s90v is also 59rc max, while USA is 61-62 on average. Though 5 years ago Spyderco USA was all 60 or below for most of their steels like s90v and m390. So the older ones are less performance and in return, less value.
Is this anecdotal information, or is there hard data to back up these claims.
@@LonestarTaoboy actually data. There is years of hardness data out there. And plenty of cut tests.
@@LonestarTaoboy you liked your own comment BTW. Seems like you don't want that information to be a reality.
Yet you do not offer it. You would rather promote senseless conspiracy theories. we are not having it without the facts. You say every heat treat from Taiwan is the same HRC. Thanks for making my point.@@tacticalcenter8658
They’re dropping the new Slyscz Bowie’s for $450 soon, I want one but that seems ridiculous
I once Purchased a knife 10-12 years ago from the company called Northwood knife company called the Presidential, I had my pick of like 16 different blue bone knives so i chose my Favorite. I recently(currently) saw this knife for $1050.00 on ebay! Now i may have paid $225-275 originally but Holy Smokes! I Love it and Hate it!
Good discussion topic for sure
I’ve been a member of BF for years, buying and selling the whole time. Lots of good people there and I’ve only had positive transactions (at least 100). I’ve sold some pretty scarce, desirable knives. My rule for max pricing that I’ll sell a knife for is what I paid plus estimated shipping. As far as GEC’s, if I see msrp plus shipping, then it’s definitely a ‘buy’. If it’s a GEC that I just have to have, then the max I’ll pay in my mind is $200. Haven’t hit that yet though.
regarding the whole consumer confidence thing, that really only matters if you care. i dont give a fuck what a knife sells for after i buy it. i bought it because i want it, not to make a profit.
GEC could probably increase production if they'd cut the patterns offered in half. As a rule I don't sell a knife outright for more than I paid for it. If it's an auction I'll do the same for the starting price and let the market decide what it's worth. This helps avoid the grossness factor.
If people would quit buying from scalpers they would stop buying everything up
One word for you SteelFlame. 😂
Easy solution: 1 per household 👏
I’ve had this thought pattern for the past few years now. The secondary is getting out of hand in my opinion. There’s some bros out there but not many!
Good discussion 😊
If a manufacturer is seeing bots buy all of their inventory and then selling for double, they are leaving money on the table. They should just raise the price of the product so that it's no longer competitive to scalp them, and honest customers can actually have a chance of buying for less than double the price.
Dude, i equate this to sports autographs…it’s a complete market of non fans pushing crap in front of athletes to sign just to sell. No matter what market , you get grifters…sucks but part of capitalism.
There is a plain large sebenza selling at dealers right now for $700... For a PLAIN large sebenza. They were $500 a year or 2 ago.
With inflation the price tripling over 10 years isn’t even that much.
Had a Slysz Bowie in M390 and Blue Ti handle. Sold that sucker bc I didn't enjoy carrying it. Did the same with the 781 Anthem I had with the blasted ti (as opposed to the anodized gold version). I sold them both for profit and kept what I enjoyed carrying. Didn't think twice about it, because people are willing to pay that price. I think makers limit production to artificially inflate prices. We saw it with Hinderer a long time ago, and we're seeing it with Strider now. CRK is even getting into the game with lead times as long as 6 years...lol It's all artificially inflated, IMO. Simple equation of demand versus supply. Emerson is another brand that inflates prices. People are paying for the name as opposed to quality or materials. I've sold knives for profit, because people pay that aftermarket price. If people didn't pay that aftermarket price, then there wouldn't be any sellers selling knives for an inflated price. I've personally used the profit to reinvest in knives I want.
With the exception of bots, none of this really bothers me it’s the same with good watches, guns and cars. I think people should have the right and the wherewithal to make money. But bots do bug me.
How about retailers limit the amount to 1 knife for had to get knives ? I know that would not totally fix the problem but it could be a start !
Remember the Hinderer debacle
Aftermarket means parts that aren't made buy the original manufacturer. Think the term your looking for is "secondary market"
You’re spot on brother, I’ll change it! I’m a modification guy so aftermarket gear is always on my mind haha! Thanks for the heads up!
You still carry the R.U.T. Or the TPT?
Good knives are a good inflation hedge
Seems like you put more heart into products vs ur head bro.
You are using “gross” as a word for profit.
Just be glad there are people placing higher values on your products or interests.
It’s positive growth.
Isn’t it better that your knife may be worth $600 now vs worthless?
wtf are you even saying
@@peen2804 bla bla bla i guess
@@peen2804 i don’t know man…i just never heard anyone say “ its gross that my car is eorth more than i paid” or “its gross my house is worth more now” or “its gross my nike airs are worth so much more”…
He’s saying that about knives…
Do you feel manufacturers are guilty of "manufacturing" this hype by purposely releasing limited runs?
It’s gross no way around it. GEC will always be worth more than case regardless of aftermarket scumbag flippers bc quality is so much better. BRAPE is wrong.
It's even worse for the firearms community.
I can't stand flippers. They're ruining the market.
I have probably 2-300 knives. I've been collecting my entire life. I have never bought a knife with the mentality of reselling
capitalism
You are wanting the mass production to destroy a private market??? You are literally wanting the corporate giants to win over us little guys?
I know you mean well but look deeper into what ur saying or asking for.
U seem bitter you are missing out or not able to capitalize while other guys are…
Yes, you “little guys” don’t deserve to operate in a market when you are charging people double or sometimes triple and more than what the manufacturer does. It’s disgusting.
Did you just say gross? Gross as in margins or like stepping in dog shit? Investing in knives can be profitable just like any other hobby like coin collecting, it’s the same. It sucks for you because you don’t want to pay the price but that’s just the way it goes. I’ve learned to live with it and think about what might be more sought after later and scoop it up. Was gross the word of the day today 🤣🤣🤣
Really gross