Doesnt mutilate get all the talent bonuses backstab gets? Like the +30% crit in the combat tree? And mutilate can hit from the front and still get the +30% crit?
I run muta and enjoy it alot. Open with quick draw, double muta, and BtE. If they live through that -- gouge and reset stealth. Quick draw just gives too many options to recover if things go wrong or when multi ganked.
Not sure he never really shows. I think 0/12/4 is the best. Improved sprint is too strong right now with all the snares. Max gouge, ss, backstab, 2 hit, 2 sprint, 4 malice
From my experience, whichever you start pvping with, you'll prefer it lol. I love mutilate for: - 1CP per 30 energy (vs 40 for BS) - gunshot (when you have the gun from BFD it deals big DMG and is cheap also) - no position requirement (as you mentioned with ping it's big)
Backstab 100%. it is not that great for pve in the world due to having to be behind for it to work but in pvp its so much better than mutilate. damage is better, cost is lower, way more energy for other abilities. Burst damage is just way higher at this level. Mutilate will go ahead once you can spec into Seal Fate and give 3 cp per use, but before that it simply is not that great. only upside is that you can use it from anywhere, while backstab you need to be at least to the side of the opponent.
Lowkey backstab might even be better for open world pve, I rack up 4-5 points with sinister and let energy refill before using between the eyes. You get 2-3 backstabs off back to back, feels rly nice
@@HelgeM1407 Did you mean damage bonus? Opportunity is flat 20% more damage. I have heard its been tested and that it does the bonus damage for mutilate if you are in front as well
Backstab is WAY better for pvp. Idk why pshero insists on using mutilate/quick draw to draw out fights longer than they need to be. I have yet to come across anyone but a sham tank/warlock tank that I dont blow up in 2-3 globals.
If u cant understand why mutilate is better u simply didnt play pvp with both and ur talkin out of ur ass or ur too dumb. Try some duels with backstab and then switch to mutilate. And fight equipped people that can pvp not lowleves noobs and u ll see the difference.
It's not just the better racials, they also get better questitems, some prebis items just have more stats than the alliance equivalent (okay that's a wrong word for it, but for example pre raid bis weapon has the same damage stats but more attributes on it), for many classes its much easier for horde to get them. They can start leveling professions right after start because they got waaaay more Ores for example. There is so much where they have an advantage over alliance. I also realized that they got way better flightpoints. During SoD I wondered a lot if the devs just like horde more 😂
Mute is better stop playogm combat sub spec, play the 11assass. 5 sub build. You wont have energy problems an you get combo points added to target to keep the combos going. Burst is better two mutes to the front of a target is like backstabbing 4time behind a target, thats a total of 120 energy for mute to do 4 wpn hits, an 160 energy for 4 backstabs. Only the cookie cutter rogues who dont know there class truly an how the stats work around with mute especially mute is affect by everything backstab is affected by.
Yea I still destroy people people, but compared to how busted hunter/warlock/shaman/priest/druid is, its pretty shitty. And we still have people saying not to give us cloak of shadows. Bitch we need it or else we are gonna be literally trash. Same noobs that say rogues ruled pvp in era even though anyone that pvp knows it was still spriest/warlock lmfao.
was curious about mutilate and backstab endup watching them chasing firestar for 5 min 🤣
Good to see Zico playing with PShero!
Doesnt mutilate get all the talent bonuses backstab gets?
Like the +30% crit in the combat tree?
And mutilate can hit from the front and still get the +30% crit?
It does, for crit, but sadly not for energy reduce
I run muta and enjoy it alot. Open with quick draw, double muta, and BtE. If they live through that -- gouge and reset stealth. Quick draw just gives too many options to recover if things go wrong or when multi ganked.
B/c you’re a noob
what talents does pshero go with?
Not sure he never really shows. I think 0/12/4 is the best. Improved sprint is too strong right now with all the snares. Max gouge, ss, backstab, 2 hit, 2 sprint, 4 malice
@@TheMakkimalice or opoortunity?
@@madmancasacreativa3 sorry.. opp
From my experience, whichever you start pvping with, you'll prefer it lol.
I love mutilate for:
- 1CP per 30 energy (vs 40 for BS)
- gunshot (when you have the gun from BFD it deals big DMG and is cheap also)
- no position requirement (as you mentioned with ping it's big)
Whats meant with Gunshot? I guess you mean the rune quick draw or am I wrong? If I am not wrong, I wonder why you love mutilate for it
@@Loyalitaeterr when you play mutilate you play with quick draw
Quick shots is too good dude
Also 60 energy but 2 combos pog
Its good but not worth having to use mutilate imo.
Muti for openworld pvp or 1on1, backstab only for bgs
Should put that second cam like on the other side of your kitchen, so you're just like barely in frame
What's better for Pve ? Mutilate / Saber slash or backstab ?
Saber
Saber, but Dagger rogue is more fun and the raid is so easy who cares
Saber slash is best for pve. I think backstab is best for pvp
Mutilate wombo combo kills
Rename vid to something with Firestar or Nemesis and a pic of the pally and this vid would do crazy numbers
question is does Oppurtunity stacks with mutilate? , and has it the positioned requirement behind the back for extra 20%dmg?
Ok so.... you read the mutilate rune tool tip right? It works off of the backstab talents, its stronger because of backstab.... did i read it wrong?
Mr ziqo can you share your talent?
Actualy for muttilate build
Nice video but what is better lol
Backstab 100%. it is not that great for pve in the world due to having to be behind for it to work but in pvp its so much better than mutilate. damage is better, cost is lower, way more energy for other abilities. Burst damage is just way higher at this level. Mutilate will go ahead once you can spec into Seal Fate and give 3 cp per use, but before that it simply is not that great. only upside is that you can use it from anywhere, while backstab you need to be at least to the side of the opponent.
Lowkey backstab might even be better for open world pve, I rack up 4-5 points with sinister and let energy refill before using between the eyes. You get 2-3 backstabs off back to back, feels rly nice
You should search for gouge in your spellbook mate
You still get the crit bonus of the "opportunity" talent when standing behind though. So with mutiliate you should also stand behind if possible.
@@HelgeM1407 Did you mean damage bonus? Opportunity is flat 20% more damage. I have heard its been tested and that it does the bonus damage for mutilate if you are in front as well
@@Huckle777 oh yea i meant bonus damage... Really? Interesting.. gotta test that some time lol
How is shaman?
u know u can pistol shot meele range 2 right?
Backstab is WAY better for pvp. Idk why pshero insists on using mutilate/quick draw to draw out fights longer than they need to be. I have yet to come across anyone but a sham tank/warlock tank that I dont blow up in 2-3 globals.
idk , normally players dont let u hit back and frontstab doesnt exist in classic
@@jere9915 It can be annoying but its fine, I can always land backstabs you just need to read movement if they are really trying hard to prevent it.
If u cant understand why mutilate is better u simply didnt play pvp with both and ur talkin out of ur ass or ur too dumb. Try some duels with backstab and then switch to mutilate. And fight equipped people that can pvp not lowleves noobs and u ll see the difference.
pshero likes to use useless shit like elf race and claiming "this is the best" same with mutilate skill
@@Midgardwow night elf is best for dagger rogue , cause highest base agi , its not much but its best
Это хардкор?
Idk playing horde feels like the easy mode in classic pvp with these meta racials
It's not just the better racials, they also get better questitems, some prebis items just have more stats than the alliance equivalent (okay that's a wrong word for it, but for example pre raid bis weapon has the same damage stats but more attributes on it), for many classes its much easier for horde to get them. They can start leveling professions right after start because they got waaaay more Ores for example. There is so much where they have an advantage over alliance. I also realized that they got way better flightpoints. During SoD I wondered a lot if the devs just like horde more 😂
backstab
Mute is better stop playogm combat sub spec, play the 11assass. 5 sub build. You wont have energy problems an you get combo points added to target to keep the combos going. Burst is better two mutes to the front of a target is like backstabbing 4time behind a target, thats a total of 120 energy for mute to do 4 wpn hits, an 160 energy for 4 backstabs. Only the cookie cutter rogues who dont know there class truly an how the stats work around with mute especially mute is affect by everything backstab is affected by.
I play shadowstrike with sinister strike , slow mh 1,3 oh and it works pretty well in pvp
Try with shiv and deadly brew :D
bis setup for 1v1
Just that fight lasts longer than with dagger
backstab is better for pvp mutilate is better with poisons for pve
Saber Slash, envenom and deadly brew is the best for PvE
Even if I have 2 daggers? Chipped Bite of Sera'kiss@@MrHappyfacee
get a sword
@@BAAa-tw7lo
@@BAAa-tw7lo yeah saber is amazing and also gets bonus damage from druids mangle.
@@MrHappyfacee Gonna be sobbing at my whole 10 dps loss from not using Cringe-r Slash tbh
FIRST !
rogue is absolutely ass in SOD ngl
Ranged Kidney shot, that also does dmg says hello, if you mean for PvP, which I hope, cuz they fuck shit up PvE raiding side
u are just garbage thats all
Full bleed build destroys in pvp
Yea I still destroy people people, but compared to how busted hunter/warlock/shaman/priest/druid is, its pretty shitty. And we still have people saying not to give us cloak of shadows. Bitch we need it or else we are gonna be literally trash. Same noobs that say rogues ruled pvp in era even though anyone that pvp knows it was still spriest/warlock lmfao.
We literally do less damage than a hunter's wind serpent LOL what are you talking about. @@Odyssey636