This video is a shining example of knowing how to “break the rules”... normally, mixing a patterned tie with a striped shirt isn’t going to be a good look but when you know what you’re doing it turns out splendidly! Living in the southeastern US, linen shirts are a staple of my wardrobe. Pastel colors really look good with linen and pairs with the right coat, trousers and shoes (spectators are a favorite!) you can be sure you’ll stand out in a good way wherever you go.
Most of the "overrated" section were rules that NEED to be broken. Prints, colors, and short sleeves are all things that should be included in every man's closet. This guy is clueless about such things.
When the non iron shirts were available my dad went to the men’s dept....he asked for a non wash shirt...which the salesman said....”Sir, they have not been invented yet!”...true story....
Short sleeved dress shirts were once the domain of engineers. It bordered on being a uniform. A jacket could be quickly donned for meetings, along with a tie if needed. It made for a professional appearance. For examples, look at pictures from NASA during the Apollo program. I understand it's not within the range of your videos as a "gentleman's" guide, but this style of dress certainly had it's place. Please keep up the good work. Your videos are informative, and well laid out.
My dad is an engineer and he wears white short sleeved shirts sometimes. It is a good option when you move from the shop straight to a meeting or the other way around. In general, I feel like there is something like an "engineers dress code" and I would love to know what it is, since I aspire to become one and would like to dress accordingly ^^
My dad was a microbiologist in hot climate. The short sleeve dress shirt was good for him. His dress was much like old school engineer for practical reasons.
Just because a certain shirt may not be something I'd choose to wear as part of formal business attire, does *not* mean it would be unsuitable for a more casual environment. I'm an engineer, and I work in a part of the world where summers are hot and air conditioning is uncommon. My typical work attire consists of a nice pair of jeans, a dark colored shirt (because I like dark colors), and a pair of black or brown Allen Edmonds. In the summer, it's a short sleeved shirt, because it's *hot* out. Would I wear this to a job interview? No. Would I wear it if I had to give a presentation to upper management? No. But for the low level of formality in my workplace, it does the trick. A short sleeve dress-type shirt only makes sense, if you're in a hot climate. If you have to roll your shirt sleeves up, that means you failed to choose weather-appropriate clothing, and now you're having to make do. That's not elegant. And if you know it's going to be hot for the next few months, you can't be that guy who wears nothing but polo shirts to work. That's not elegant either.
I never agree with all of your points (which I mean hey who agrees with someone 100% on any given topic) But I always appreciate your points. You back up your opinions with valid arguments. I really enjoy your channel dude it’s much more classic and old school than many of the louder and flashier channels out there.
I often think he is using one color too much. In the current dress the green in the shirt just doesn't go well with the reds AND the dark blue trowsers and make things a bit too baroque. But I'm in a different part of the world and have a different taste sooo this is just me. You would also have to put a gun to my head before I would dress up in a winchester-shirt btw.
I went to an open weave shirt and a looser weave suit for a wedding the other day and it was amazing. The wind blew straight through it, so despite it being outside in the 90s. I was nice and cool. They make summer so nice.
I cannot stand black shirts, especially as a classical musician who is often expected to wear them so as not to "distract from the music" which I think is way too picky honestly.
Pavlos Polyzogopoulos White shirts are definitely better. I honestly think black is the worst color for clothing, since there’s not much about it and only has one shade for the most part (black). Except black tie, because it comes from traditional, not some modern trend thing.
I understand your points and how you back up your points with your explanations. I disagree on pink. It depends on skin tone. Pink on a dark skin tone works wonders. Of course you have to do it subtly such as pastels and salmon pink but it can make your outfit look modern if you complement it well in your outfit
I personally can not stand these "non-iron" shirts. They have a slightly plasticy feel and even though they claim to be "non-iron" they still wrinkle quite a bit after laundering so an iron is still required. Plus, the creases that are pressed into the sleeves during manufacturing are permanent and never come out no matter how hard I try.
I love how even after a long time his videos haven't gone stale like they do for many TH-camrs. Really like this video because it shows the science behind pairing your shirts with ties and jackets. Super helpful video for those starting to get into mens wear
Except when he said prints will go out of style, while showing plaid shirts. Pretty sure plaid has been in fashion since it was invented by the Scots a few centuries ago. This guy is clueless about many things.
In Mad Men, Don Draper (John Hamm) has a great shirt strategy. He has a drawer full of fresh shirts in his desk. He always looks crisp and sharp. Even a "budget shirt can look good for four hours. If I worked in that setting that would be a plan I would explore!
The only thing is that I think there is too much hate for short sleeve shirts. If they attempt to be exactly like dress shirts but merely with short sleeves, I can see that being odd and wrong. But I personally don’t like to depend on polos all the time and it’s nice to have something nicer than a t shirt and polo. RVCA seems to make these sorts of shirts that have nice collars. I’m currently in the market for something like this. I also should note that I live in a warm climate.
Agreed, it makes for a nice 60's apollo launch control -look, but of course, best for ho climates/warm weather when a suit jacket might be completely omitted.
I despise short sleeve dress shirts however when I was in high school I worked at a shoe store that required a dress shirt and tie and a jacket when the executives were in town .I wore long sleeves because to me it looked better than a short sleeve and they had the AC really cold .nothing feels worse than wearing a short sleeve dress shirt with a suit or sports jacket
Agree with this. I don't like the way polo shirts look at all myself so for casual outfits in warm weather, I'd much rather pull out a short sleeve dress shirt than ever wear a polo shirt..
I love the look of Winchester shirts. Interesting bit of history, some of the old old dress shirts, circa 1830s-1930s, used to feature a detached collar (and some featured a detached front and detached cuffs); this feature was popularized because these detached parts of the shirt could be separately starched and the shirt itself could be more thoroughly washed. Of course, these featured fell out of style and now only the detached collar remains and only on certain styles of quality white and black tie tuxedos. I bet this is where the Winchester style originated, with some gentleman attaching a white collar and cuffs to a dyed or colored shirt body. Also, a question. Is it acceptable to wear an untucked polo with a wool sweater? I sort of like the casual look of a nice dark jean with a grey v neck sweater and an untucked polo. Of course, not in a very formal or business casual setting.
Mostly agree with your suggestions, apart from the short sleeves (they have their place, as many others have commented already, and the bolder colours. Yes, shirts in bolder colours are not as formal, often best worn without a jacket, but I don't see why men should be restricted to only a small range of colours. I quite love my burgundy coloured shirts, they work well with my blue-grey tweed jacket, or as a solo. I wouldn't wear them with a solid blue or black jacket, though.
I disagree about non iron shirts. I have quite a few non iron cotton from different companies. On the whole (they do vary a bit according to brand) they feel, handle and last just as long as comparably costed shirts, without the non-iron characteristic. I have one TM Lewin non iron that I have washed 150 times and it is still as soft and non iron as ever. That said I have in the past bought true Jermyn St quality shirts and I agree they are a class above (but a price above too)
The only adjective I can think for this video is excellent well perhaps also excel because you actually knocked it out of the ballpark with all the helpful information on overrated and underrated dress shirts thanks ever so much!
Light pink is one of the best colours, if anything i consider it underrated because of the perception that women wear pink. You wear it when you are confident and can match it, not to make a statement.
Fun fact about the color pink: up until the 1950s, the color pink was the color associated with being masculine and light blue or pastel blue was a more tender color and therefore feminine. You can research it for yourself, if you don't believe me
I'm on board with everything except hating on short sleeved shirts. I think for a casual outfit they can look very good, especially the way Japanese work wearers fashion them. Other than that, I love this video.
I think they should only be avoided in formal or business settings. I don't see the harm in wearing a short sleeve shirt (maybe with a subtle pattern) with chinos and nice shoes
I usually never comment on a TH-cam video, but this one compelled me to drop a comment - hands down one of the best videos (guide) on men’s sartoria online. Please make more of these videos on different classic outfit components. Thank you very much!
It's pas-tuhl! PAS.TUHL! I'm guessing (even though Sven is German) that Past-elle is American way of pronouncing it. As a Brit, it's driving me to distraction! :-)
Omg!! You referenced Eton! As a Swede myself I find that to be pretty cool. I personally don't have an Eton shirt (yet) but their stuff do look very nice, and I'm definitely interested! Thank you for this great video, as always!
I respectfully disagree with you Raphael regarding shortsleeved shirts because for me it’s the perfect summer shirt and my navy gingham linen shirt from Eton has been the key to look good in the heat this summer.
Poor me, I work in a short sleeve dress shirt with 2 pockets with flaps and a tie. But well, the price of being a pilot and working for an airline that doesn’t offer long sleeved dress shirts. Gotta admit it looks odd when I’m walking with my uniform jacket over it around airport lounges
I really enjoy your channel and the information with which you embellish your videos. Talking of pink shirts; they were once regarded as a very masculine item of clothing. When our army (UKGB) wore red tunics as their uniform, pre WWI, the shirt and tunic would be washed together, the shirt would become pink in the mix, hence the pink shirt was a sign that the wearer had served in the British army.
I disagree on the short sleeve dress shirt. I live in southern New Mexico, right on the edge of the white sands desert. The weather consistently hits above 90f, so the added breathability is a must. And if it's a nice styled shirt you can still look quite good in a tie and jacket
Awesome video! I have some open weave Italian dress shirts and let me tell you, they are amazing. I bought them in Rome from a shirt store. The shirt company is called Attore and they are amazing. Also, Kirkland has some great open weave dress shirts. Thank you for this video! Cheers!!
Love it when men wear pink dress shirts, it's such an assertive, confident move. Whether or not men can "pull it off" so to speak usually depends on the pink shirt being harmonious with the undertone of their skin. Of course ultimately I think if you love it, you should wear it.
Even as a redhead with pale skin, pink for whatever reason looks great on me, and I wear it a LOT. It pairs so well with so many other colors and really gives an outfit pop. 😍 All you need is the confidence to rock pink in just about any situation, and I think if you embrace it, you'll find you get tons of compliments!
I have the darker red hair but I agree but most people I know didn't like it when I wore one to work .I had to go buy another white shirt to finish my day just to keep the boss happy
True. I have a few pink shirts with two being linen. One pic he showed looks almost exactly like my pink linen shirts, one he said never to get. I have gotten many compliments on them, but I have a fiery red beard
I think it depends on skin tone and hair color. For blonde people lighter pinks work well, and for people with a more rich skin tone darker pinks can be very flattering. For me i have light skin and dark hair and dark pinks look very bad on me
9:54 or you're an archaeologist, like myself, and want something which looks reasonably professional but won't restrict you too much when you're excavating and isn't too hot when it's warm (and you're working outside).
I often need to wear a dress shirt and tie outdoors. When I moved to Florida I thought I could just roll up the sleeves on my long sleeve dress shirts and that would be fine. Not the case. I was roasting. I don't like the look of short sleeve dress shirts but they are cooler than rolling up the sleeves.
You look ridiculous in the polo shirt and jeans. You would definitely look much better in a short sleeved dress shirt. Much more flattering to your frame.
@@wickedvery At my old job, I kept a sport coat at work for when I had to meet with clients to book events. I too would sometimes wear this over short sleeves.
I do have one floral shirt, but I don't consider it gaudy since the base colour is navy blue and the flowers are dark brown, pastel blue and cream, it works really well with rolled up sleeves as a summer shirt and that's the only time I wear it.
Winchester shirts! Thank you. I got at least 5 of them and I love them. White collar-white cuff, preferably with double cuff. Planing to get a whole collection of them. Nice, classy and has great history.
I love Winchester shirts, but they are so difficult to get a hold of. I have made up my mind to have a few tailor made. This leads me to this question: which cuff type(s) is/are considered correct to a club collar? Thanks!
Untucked shirts are indeed horrible, and more so when you have short legs, as they optically shorten your legs even further. I see a lot of casual shirts shown in the video that are not in the "dress"-shirt category by the way. And: long live pink ! It brightens up a suit in a small gingham, for instance.
I disagree with the short sleeve shirts. In tropical environments, you want no jacket and more material on your body, means more sweat. Also a necktie can look good…it depends on your body size.
Rolling up your sleeves is not nearly as comfortable as wearing a short sleeve button up. And the critique of it looking weird under a jacket is silly. Why would you be wearing a jacket if it’s hot? This guy doesn’t have any ideas for how to dress less than classical and is stuck in the past and I can’t understand wearing pants instead of shorts in the summer
I really like your shirt with your jacket. Nice color combination, nice stripes. I haven't gotten around to wearing bolder ties with striped shirts, yet. that's interesting.
For me, I learned how to put a suit together in law school. My suit is simple, but it works, and I am confident that I wear it well. I have a black jacket, black slacks, a white shirt, and, the tie is always semi-loud. It is not obnoxious. It is tasteful, a paisley pattern, yellow, green, red, blue, purple, etcetera. It's a simple combination. The jacket is a classic boxy cut, rear vents, cut wide in the shoulders, two buttons. I keep my jacket unbuttoned when I speaking to a jury or arguing before a court. I want the attention to my torso and face. I say this because I am passionate and animated when I speak to a jury, and my body language is a tool that I use to enhance my oratory. Additionally, I want the jury to see my vulnerability, as I argue for an innocent man's life. Admittedly, I do need to buy a new suit.
you think pink is overrated? I've hardly seen anyone wear pink shirts in my entire life. in general i agree with your position on the matter. very pale pink is an excellent choice those other are barf. extreme cut away collars are barf as well good call. I didn't know about the non-iron shirts and the way they are treated. I will say this while it is true that you have to iron the non-iron shirts they are way easier to iron. agree about the monograms. they are gaudy and unnecessary. even if they are hidden. agree about bold patterns uggh please don't do that. untucked dress shirts are horrid as well. gosh you are so right about the bold colors. horrible. short sleeve dress shirts are good for casual outdoorsy outfits. disagree. polos are horrible in my opinion. you can think i am a boy all you want. I don't wear shirts without buttons in public period. of course i would never wear them with a jacket and they look so much better than a polo. polos are horrible. if you are older like me they show all the imperfections of your body. i like your idea about the bold stripes. don't have any of those. I really like your shirt. never tried the contrasting collar. seems inappropriate to wear these without a jacket. I love the open weave shirts but they are hard to find.
Tab collars were the style when I was a teen, but I don't see then anywhere today. Always a great dress look. I disagree about the short sleeve dress shirt, which I would definitely prefer over a long sleeve rolled up. And I'm sorry, but an orange and blue patterned tie clashes terribly with a green and white striped shirt. Those colors and patterns had my eyes bouncing all over the place. Style to me should be smoothly transitional for the eyes.
I would argue that short sleeve button ups shirts are great as long as they are not worn as dress shirts. In my opinion, they are nicer than polos but are not to be worn with a coat.
I disagree with rule #7- it depends on the rest of the outfit- black oxfords, black chinos and a dark blue shirt aren't jarring to the eye or funny looking. I'll agree that a dark orange or candy pink shirt would've been too flamboyant but blue, red and purple are 0K in my opinion. If all you wear is pale blue or white shirts, you look like you are going to work all the time.
I was at a Dillard's (yes I buy clothes from there occasionally) and there were so many small or densely patterned shirts. Not ordinary patterns but odd ones like paisley and dense small floral ones. The only word I have to describe them is "loud" they scream at your eyes, I hated it.
While traveling in Malaysia, and later, Cuba and Mexico, my husband fell in with the guayabera. He has both short and long sleeve versions in different colours and even some with matching pants. He loves how elegant and comfortable they are. He is one of those guys who is always hot, so in the the summer, suits are the bane of his existence.
Norwegians and swedes are well known for it, and I think they are a nice moder style. Given the fact gentlemen would wear Strafford and wing collars that exposes the whole band of the tie, I think they are fine.
@@crilent29 I like it I've been looking at dandy and sons, but I think I'll have to go custom cuz of my belly. The presidential cutaway is a good option from proper cloth.
I know I shouldn’t like the look but when you can kind of see the part of the tie that goes around the neck under an extreme cutaway tie....I kinda like it
Yes, on dress shirts untucked under a blazer. No on dress shirts untucked without. I think very much a Man's body plan is the dominant constraint on if this looks good. Guys who are fit and athletic with a well sized dress shirt untucked look really great but a guy with a more barrel shape or bowling pin shape...well, not so much. There can be no objective prohibition here as so much of how it wears depends on the shape of the Man and shapes vary...a lot. Pastel colors in general are exactly as you say, subtle ways to include a range of colors into your wardrobe that can be used to dramatically expand your combinatorial possibilities without swerving into dandy territory (who often can court more bold colors as suits that approach). Extreme cut away collar, just yuck with anything but bow ties and I don't wear bow ties so ...well just useless to me.
Exactly, regular short sleeve dresshirts under a blazer = no. Slim Fit short sleeve dresshirts solo = yes! Especially if you are fit. Sometimes I feel Sven is just jealous so he makes up these ridiculous rules that have no place in modern fashion, because he himself looks like potato.
I agree with everything he is saying except about monograming. I put a small block three letter monogram on my picket and it looks very understated and subtle.
I have a non iron shirt that belonged to my father and you're exactly right about that plastic-like feel when it's been washed too many times. It's a shame because it's such a gorgeous deep red
I have other 2 underrated dress shirts, in particular dress shirt cuffs: neapolitan (or cocktail) cuffs, and link cuffs (not double french cuffs, but single)
Not wearing short dress shirts with a tie? The Marine Corps understands this. Service Bravos will be a long sleeve shirt with the necktie and tie clasp, Service Charlies are a short sleeve shirt with an open collar, Dress Blue Deltas also consist of the short sleeve shirt with the open collar, and so on. However, look back at photos of NASA and aerospace engineers, particularly during the start of the Cold War in the 50's and during the Mercury, Gemini, and Apollo years, with short sleeve cuffed white shirts and thin dark ties... they all looked professional, well groomed, presentable, and quite capable of transitioning from their work environment to drinks and dinner after work before going home. I'm so glad we don't have to wear peacock and tacky colors and patterns. Never could understand the appeal of red stripes on ties, bright pocket squares, mis-matched shoes with a suit (Brown shoes with a blue suit, for example), ascots and cummerbunds. And if you like bowties, even classy black or white tie and tuxedo or tails, that's fine, but you'll never get me to wear one. At least a regular tie covers the shirt buttons. Oh, and I hate polo shirts. Get a grown man's shirt already, or just wear a T-shirt. Ridiculous garments.
This video is a shining example of knowing how to “break the rules”... normally, mixing a patterned tie with a striped shirt isn’t going to be a good look but when you know what you’re doing it turns out splendidly! Living in the southeastern US, linen shirts are a staple of my wardrobe. Pastel colors really look good with linen and pairs with the right coat, trousers and shoes (spectators are a favorite!) you can be sure you’ll stand out in a good way wherever you go.
By the way, mixing a patterned tie with a striped shirt is a classic staple.
Do you have a video on collar tips. I believe they were popular with country western styles and bolo ties.
Most of the "overrated" section were rules that NEED to be broken. Prints, colors, and short sleeves are all things that should be included in every man's closet. This guy is clueless about such things.
I know, right? lol... I'm pretty sure I was born with paisley skin lol
I would agree with all; however, I'm not sure this example of shirt and tie work well. Even if he knows what he's doing.
When the non iron shirts were available my dad went to the men’s dept....he asked for a non wash shirt...which the salesman said....”Sir, they have not been invented yet!”...true story....
Brilliant man 👊 sounds like my dad
Short sleeved dress shirts were once the domain of engineers. It bordered on being a uniform. A jacket could be quickly donned for meetings, along with a tie if needed. It made for a professional appearance. For examples, look at pictures from NASA during the Apollo program. I understand it's not within the range of your videos as a "gentleman's" guide, but this style of dress certainly had it's place.
Please keep up the good work. Your videos are informative, and well laid out.
yeah but because of Houston summers at the time when AC wasn't omnipresent...
My dad is an engineer and he wears white short sleeved shirts sometimes. It is a good option when you move from the shop straight to a meeting or the other way around.
In general, I feel like there is something like an "engineers dress code" and I would love to know what it is, since I aspire to become one and would like to dress accordingly ^^
Short sleeve with tie is still appropriate as a European style dress when in extreme climate such as Baja Sur
My dad was a microbiologist in hot climate. The short sleeve dress shirt was good for him. His dress was much like old school engineer for practical reasons.
That sounds like it is right down my ally, since practicallity drives most things with engineers ;)
Thank you for your perspective :)
Just because a certain shirt may not be something I'd choose to wear as part of formal business attire, does *not* mean it would be unsuitable for a more casual environment. I'm an engineer, and I work in a part of the world where summers are hot and air conditioning is uncommon. My typical work attire consists of a nice pair of jeans, a dark colored shirt (because I like dark colors), and a pair of black or brown Allen Edmonds. In the summer, it's a short sleeved shirt, because it's *hot* out.
Would I wear this to a job interview? No. Would I wear it if I had to give a presentation to upper management? No. But for the low level of formality in my workplace, it does the trick.
A short sleeve dress-type shirt only makes sense, if you're in a hot climate. If you have to roll your shirt sleeves up, that means you failed to choose weather-appropriate clothing, and now you're having to make do. That's not elegant. And if you know it's going to be hot for the next few months, you can't be that guy who wears nothing but polo shirts to work. That's not elegant either.
I never agree with all of your points (which I mean hey who agrees with someone 100% on any given topic) But I always appreciate your points. You back up your opinions with valid arguments. I really enjoy your channel dude it’s much more classic and old school than many of the louder and flashier channels out there.
I often think he is using one color too much. In the current dress the green in the shirt just doesn't go well with the reds AND the dark blue trowsers and make things a bit too baroque. But I'm in a different part of the world and have a different taste sooo this is just me. You would also have to put a gun to my head before I would dress up in a winchester-shirt btw.
I went to an open weave shirt and a looser weave suit for a wedding the other day and it was amazing. The wind blew straight through it, so despite it being outside in the 90s. I was nice and cool. They make summer so nice.
where do i get them
Man, his use of colours is absolutely phenomenal.
I disagree vehemently. Sheesh.
@@Onemore59 All right, buddy.
Very Italian, not over the top, but certainly not dull.
Yeah I think it gives a very pleasant impression
man that pale lavender with brown sport coat is such an eye pleasing color combination
I cannot stand black shirts, especially as a classical musician who is often expected to wear them so as not to "distract from the music" which I think is way too picky honestly.
Ex-musician. Have to agree.
Yup, hate concert black.
Concert violinist here. 100% agreed. Concert black needs to go
Non musician, question: why not white shirts?
Pavlos Polyzogopoulos
White shirts are definitely better. I honestly think black is the worst color for clothing, since there’s not much about it and only has one shade for the most part (black). Except black tie, because it comes from traditional, not some modern trend thing.
I understand your points and how you back up your points with your explanations. I disagree on pink. It depends on skin tone. Pink on a dark skin tone works wonders. Of course you have to do it subtly such as pastels and salmon pink but it can make your outfit look modern if you complement it well in your outfit
I personally can not stand these "non-iron" shirts. They have a slightly plasticy feel and even though they claim to be "non-iron" they still wrinkle quite a bit after laundering so an iron is still required. Plus, the creases that are pressed into the sleeves during manufacturing are permanent and never come out no matter how hard I try.
I love how even after a long time his videos haven't gone stale like they do for many TH-camrs. Really like this video because it shows the science behind pairing your shirts with ties and jackets. Super helpful video for those starting to get into mens wear
Because it's got nothing to do with fashion, and all about developing your personal sense of style (which is timeless).
Except when he said prints will go out of style, while showing plaid shirts. Pretty sure plaid has been in fashion since it was invented by the Scots a few centuries ago. This guy is clueless about many things.
In Mad Men, Don Draper (John Hamm) has a great shirt strategy. He has a drawer full of fresh shirts in his desk. He always looks crisp and sharp. Even a "budget shirt can look good for four hours. If I worked in that setting that would be a plan I would explore!
The only thing is that I think there is too much hate for short sleeve shirts. If they attempt to be exactly like dress shirts but merely with short sleeves, I can see that being odd and wrong.
But I personally don’t like to depend on polos all the time and it’s nice to have something nicer than a t shirt and polo. RVCA seems to make these sorts of shirts that have nice collars. I’m currently in the market for something like this.
I also should note that I live in a warm climate.
Agreed, it makes for a nice 60's apollo launch control -look, but of course, best for ho climates/warm weather when a suit jacket might be completely omitted.
I despise short sleeve dress shirts however when I was in high school I worked at a shoe store that required a dress shirt and tie and a jacket when the executives were in town .I wore long sleeves because to me it looked better than a short sleeve and they had the AC really cold .nothing feels worse than wearing a short sleeve dress shirt with a suit or sports jacket
Agree with this. I don't like the way polo shirts look at all myself so for casual outfits in warm weather, I'd much rather pull out a short sleeve dress shirt than ever wear a polo shirt..
Winchester shirt!! Thank you, i knew about the shirt style, but i did not knew the name of the shirt. Thank very much
I love the look of Winchester shirts.
Interesting bit of history, some of the old old dress shirts, circa 1830s-1930s, used to feature a detached collar (and some featured a detached front and detached cuffs); this feature was popularized because these detached parts of the shirt could be separately starched and the shirt itself could be more thoroughly washed. Of course, these featured fell out of style and now only the detached collar remains and only on certain styles of quality white and black tie tuxedos. I bet this is where the Winchester style originated, with some gentleman attaching a white collar and cuffs to a dyed or colored shirt body.
Also, a question. Is it acceptable to wear an untucked polo with a wool sweater? I sort of like the casual look of a nice dark jean with a grey v neck sweater and an untucked polo. Of course, not in a very formal or business casual setting.
Mostly agree with your suggestions, apart from the short sleeves (they have their place, as many others have commented already, and the bolder colours. Yes, shirts in bolder colours are not as formal, often best worn without a jacket, but I don't see why men should be restricted to only a small range of colours. I quite love my burgundy coloured shirts, they work well with my blue-grey tweed jacket, or as a solo. I wouldn't wear them with a solid blue or black jacket, though.
Hey Sven, you look great today.
Merci
I disagree about non iron shirts. I have quite a few non iron cotton from different companies. On the whole (they do vary a bit according to brand) they feel, handle and last just as long as comparably costed shirts, without the non-iron characteristic. I have one TM Lewin non iron that I have washed 150 times and it is still as soft and non iron as ever. That said I have in the past bought true Jermyn St quality shirts and I agree they are a class above (but a price above too)
Great vid Sven I passed the interview by the way ✌😎🤘 starting at Barclays Investment Bank soon. THANKS!
Congratulations. What did you wear to the interview?
Gentleman's Gazette I wore a blue suit, blue tie, white pocket square & black Oxfords.
Riz Kler Was it a light blue tie?
echnaton123 It was slightly lighter than my suit
Congratulations. M.
Untucked dress shirts are the worst
The only adjective I can think for this video is excellent well perhaps also excel because you actually knocked it out of the ballpark with all the helpful information on overrated and underrated dress shirts thanks ever so much!
Light pink is one of the best colours, if anything i consider it underrated because of the perception that women wear pink. You wear it when you are confident and can match it, not to make a statement.
I agree, my light pink oxford is one of my favourite shirts. Men shouldn't be afraid to incorporate tasteful pink into their wardrobe.
Pink is not a colour I feel like wearing super often, but when I do it's actually my favorite colour to wear.
This dude is built like a bowling pin 🎳😂
Fun fact about the color pink:
up until the 1950s, the color pink was the color associated with being masculine and light blue or pastel blue was a more tender color and therefore feminine. You can research it for yourself, if you don't believe me
So a cadilac in pink was the symbol of a mega chad?
I'm on board with everything except hating on short sleeved shirts. I think for a casual outfit they can look very good, especially the way Japanese work wearers fashion them. Other than that, I love this video.
I agree, the irony being that many of the examples of short sleeve shirts used in the video actually looked great lol.
I think they should only be avoided in formal or business settings. I don't see the harm in wearing a short sleeve shirt (maybe with a subtle pattern) with chinos and nice shoes
Rolled sleeves look better than short sleeves.
I usually never comment on a TH-cam video, but this one compelled me to drop a comment - hands down one of the best videos (guide) on men’s sartoria online. Please make more of these videos on different classic outfit components. Thank you very much!
Thank you for your kind words. :)
It's pas-tuhl! PAS.TUHL! I'm guessing (even though Sven is German) that Past-elle is American way of pronouncing it. As a Brit, it's driving me to distraction! :-)
Omg!! You referenced Eton! As a Swede myself I find that to be pretty cool. I personally don't have an Eton shirt (yet) but their stuff do look very nice, and I'm definitely interested! Thank you for this great video, as always!
Eton are the best shirts on the market! Period :-)
Long torso? I don't think so.
LUL
I respectfully disagree with you Raphael regarding shortsleeved shirts because for me it’s the perfect summer shirt and my navy gingham linen shirt from Eton has been the key to look good in the heat this summer.
Poor me, I work in a short sleeve dress shirt with 2 pockets with flaps and a tie. But well, the price of being a pilot and working for an airline that doesn’t offer long sleeved dress shirts. Gotta admit it looks odd when I’m walking with my uniform jacket over it around airport lounges
There is a mistake in the description.
Pink shirts.
You wrote Pink shirts or (should be are) a hit or a miss.
We can't forget the detachable collar boiled front shirt! Perfection when it comes to eveningwear.
I really enjoy your channel and the information with which you embellish your videos. Talking of pink shirts; they were once regarded as a very masculine item of clothing. When our army (UKGB) wore red tunics as their uniform, pre WWI, the shirt and tunic would be washed together, the shirt would become pink in the mix, hence the pink shirt was a sign that the wearer had served in the British army.
I disagree on the short sleeve dress shirt. I live in southern New Mexico, right on the edge of the white sands desert. The weather consistently hits above 90f, so the added breathability is a must. And if it's a nice styled shirt you can still look quite good in a tie and jacket
Awesome video! I have some open weave Italian dress shirts and let me tell you, they are amazing. I bought them in Rome from a shirt store. The shirt company is called Attore and they are amazing. Also, Kirkland has some great open weave dress shirts. Thank you for this video! Cheers!!
Love it when men wear pink dress shirts, it's such an assertive, confident move. Whether or not men can "pull it off" so to speak usually depends on the pink shirt being harmonious with the undertone of their skin.
Of course ultimately I think if you love it, you should wear it.
Even as a redhead with pale skin, pink for whatever reason looks great on me, and I wear it a LOT. It pairs so well with so many other colors and really gives an outfit pop. 😍 All you need is the confidence to rock pink in just about any situation, and I think if you embrace it, you'll find you get tons of compliments!
I have the darker red hair but I agree but most people I know didn't like it when I wore one to work .I had to go buy another white shirt to finish my day just to keep the boss happy
@@michaelmerck7576 sounds like you need a new boss
True. I have a few pink shirts with two being linen. One pic he showed looks almost exactly like my pink linen shirts, one he said never to get. I have gotten many compliments on them, but I have a fiery red beard
Disagree with you on pink shirts and cutaway collars. They are both (even combined) a vital part of the well dressed man's wardrobe.
I think it depends on skin tone and hair color. For blonde people lighter pinks work well, and for people with a more rich skin tone darker pinks can be very flattering. For me i have light skin and dark hair and dark pinks look very bad on me
Thank you indeed for such great video. I appreciate your presentation.
9:54 or you're an archaeologist, like myself, and want something which looks reasonably professional but won't restrict you too much when you're excavating and isn't too hot when it's warm (and you're working outside).
You, Sir, rock today with this amazing video. As always well done.
How much should I pay for a worthy dress shirt? $100? Please give me some insight, I have to start dressing better for work!
Nonsense Sven....pink is a great color for dress shirts!
I often need to wear a dress shirt and tie outdoors. When I moved to Florida I thought I could just roll up the sleeves on my long sleeve dress shirts and that would be fine. Not the case. I was roasting. I don't like the look of short sleeve dress shirts but they are cooler than rolling up the sleeves.
You look ridiculous in the polo shirt and jeans. You would definitely look much better in a short sleeved dress shirt. Much more flattering to your frame.
Short sleeve dress shirts are not meant to wear with jackets.
Brian C why?
I am a doctor and have to wash my hands and forearms a lot so short sleeve shirts are much more convenient
@@romefortunato9240 Because from a design point.....if its warm enough for short sleeves, its to warm for a jacket.
@@wickedvery At my old job, I kept a sport coat at work for when I had to meet with clients to book events. I too would sometimes wear this over short sleeves.
I do have one floral shirt, but I don't consider it gaudy since the base colour is navy blue and the flowers are dark brown, pastel blue and cream, it works really well with rolled up sleeves as a summer shirt and that's the only time I wear it.
Winchester shirts!
Thank you. I got at least 5 of them and I love them. White collar-white cuff, preferably with double cuff. Planing to get a whole collection of them. Nice, classy and has great history.
I love Winchester shirts, but they are so difficult to get a hold of. I have made up my mind to have a few tailor made.
This leads me to this question: which cuff type(s) is/are considered correct to a club collar? Thanks!
Untucked shirts are indeed horrible, and more so when you have short legs, as they optically shorten your legs even further.
I see a lot of casual shirts shown in the video that are not in the "dress"-shirt category by the way.
And: long live pink ! It brightens up a suit in a small gingham, for instance.
I disagree with the short sleeve shirts. In tropical environments, you want no jacket and more material on your body, means more sweat. Also a necktie can look good…it depends on your body size.
Rolling up your sleeves is not nearly as comfortable as wearing a short sleeve button up. And the critique of it looking weird under a jacket is silly. Why would you be wearing a jacket if it’s hot? This guy doesn’t have any ideas for how to dress less than classical and is stuck in the past and I can’t understand wearing pants instead of shorts in the summer
Short sleeve shirt with tie works for those in the stem fields or older overweight cigar smoking warehouse managers
jaaaaaaa jajajaja I did not know that there was even that extreme neck cut ... It's horrible, I do not know what serious tie you can fit there.
I see a lot of politicians in my country having those
Disagree with the Winchester shirts. To me they look weird and always remind me of that very brief time in the 80s when they were popular.
I wear my dress shirts untucked 75% of the year only because of the Australian heat. But otherwise I don’t get it
This channel is the best, "the little school boy" comment was hilarious
Just bought my first two suits today, I’m having trouble with the picking of the dress shirts and this video helped a lot. Thanks y’all.
If you can afford a $300 shirt, you can afford to take your shirts to the cleaners!
I really like your shirt with your jacket. Nice color combination, nice stripes. I haven't gotten around to wearing bolder ties with striped shirts, yet. that's interesting.
I can not even imagine wearing a Winchester shirt - they are utterly ghastly in my view ditto pin shirts - only worn by chavs these days.
Taste is always taste. I am 65+ and younger folks admire the way I dress. I personally love your videos,
I was with you until you suggested Winchester shirts. No no, just no.
For me, I learned how to put a suit together in law school. My suit is simple, but it works, and I am confident that I wear it well.
I have a black jacket, black slacks, a white shirt, and, the tie is always semi-loud. It is not obnoxious. It is tasteful, a paisley pattern, yellow, green, red, blue, purple, etcetera. It's a simple combination. The jacket is a classic boxy cut, rear vents, cut wide in the shoulders, two buttons. I keep my jacket unbuttoned when I speaking to a jury or arguing before a court. I want the attention to my torso and face. I say this because I am passionate and animated when I speak to a jury, and my body language is a tool that I use to enhance my oratory. Additionally, I want the jury to see my vulnerability, as I argue for an innocent man's life.
Admittedly, I do need to buy a new suit.
You need ‘fuller’ shirts. Or lose weight. Which ever.
Hey Sven, can you talk about Mao suits please?
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@@iacobushadrianus7889 Yup
you think pink is overrated? I've hardly seen anyone wear pink shirts in my entire life. in general i agree with your position on the matter. very pale pink is an excellent choice those other are barf. extreme cut away collars are barf as well good call. I didn't know about the non-iron shirts and the way they are treated. I will say this while it is true that you have to iron the non-iron shirts they are way easier to iron. agree about the monograms. they are gaudy and unnecessary. even if they are hidden. agree about bold patterns uggh please don't do that. untucked dress shirts are horrid as well. gosh you are so right about the bold colors. horrible. short sleeve dress shirts are good for casual outdoorsy outfits. disagree. polos are horrible in my opinion. you can think i am a boy all you want. I don't wear shirts without buttons in public period. of course i would never wear them with a jacket and they look so much better than a polo. polos are horrible. if you are older like me they show all the imperfections of your body. i like your idea about the bold stripes. don't have any of those. I really like your shirt. never tried the contrasting collar. seems inappropriate to wear these without a jacket. I love the open weave shirts but they are hard to find.
Do yourself a favor and do not wear a jewel-toned dress shirt to a techno party such as this guy advises.
Tab collars were the style when I was a teen, but I don't see then anywhere today. Always a great dress look. I disagree about the short sleeve dress shirt, which I would definitely prefer over a long sleeve rolled up. And I'm sorry, but an orange and blue patterned tie clashes terribly with a green and white striped shirt. Those colors and patterns had my eyes bouncing all over the place. Style to me should be smoothly transitional for the eyes.
My ideal shirt is a pink, monogrammed extreme cutaway - untucked
I would argue that short sleeve button ups shirts are great as long as they are not worn as dress shirts. In my opinion, they are nicer than polos but are not to be worn with a coat.
Brooks Bros has a good non iron but have discovered grom HS a reg shirt looks better than non iron
2" cuff on pants is nice, but pants neede "break" by adding 1.5" tp length
So on point with all the points and commentary. Such a wealth of knowledge. Incredible. Please write a book.
There is no such thing as a "short sleeve dress shirt"
I disagree with rule #7- it depends on the rest of the outfit- black oxfords, black chinos and a dark blue shirt aren't jarring to the eye or funny looking. I'll agree that a dark orange or candy pink shirt would've been too flamboyant but blue, red and purple are 0K in my opinion. If all you wear is pale blue or white shirts, you look like you are going to work all the time.
I was at a Dillard's (yes I buy clothes from there occasionally) and there were so many small or densely patterned shirts. Not ordinary patterns but odd ones like paisley and dense small floral ones. The only word I have to describe them is "loud" they scream at your eyes, I hated it.
Your shirt, tie and sport coat combination is good however the pants selection is questionable. Also the wide legged untappered trouser looks hideous.
UGH.....untucked shirts. Abhorrent.
While traveling in Malaysia, and later, Cuba and Mexico, my husband fell in with the guayabera. He has both short and long sleeve versions in different colours and even some with matching pants. He loves how elegant and comfortable they are. He is one of those guys who is always hot, so in the the summer, suits are the bane of his existence.
hes yelling at me lol
It’s good I live in Sweden I can get an eton shirt for 1600 kr and that equals too $180 so it’s a lot more affordable.
those extreme cut a way collars have no place.
You Americans have no idea about fashion...
Norwegians and swedes are well known for it, and I think they are a nice moder style. Given the fact gentlemen would wear Strafford and wing collars that exposes the whole band of the tie, I think they are fine.
Michael Bell it definitely reminds me of the wing collar.
@@crilent29 I like it I've been looking at dandy and sons, but I think I'll have to go custom cuz of my belly.
The presidential cutaway is a good option from proper cloth.
I know I shouldn’t like the look but when you can kind of see the part of the tie that goes around the neck under an extreme cutaway tie....I kinda like it
Coulourful Paisley is a Farley classic look that began in the underground London subculture of dandy’s during the 60s
Short sleeve dress shirts are a must down here in Florida. Especially if you work for NASA and wear a tie.
Yes, on dress shirts untucked under a blazer. No on dress shirts untucked without. I think very much a Man's body plan is the dominant constraint on if this looks good. Guys who are fit and athletic with a well sized dress shirt untucked look really great but a guy with a more barrel shape or bowling pin shape...well, not so much.
There can be no objective prohibition here as so much of how it wears depends on the shape of the Man and shapes vary...a lot.
Pastel colors in general are exactly as you say, subtle ways to include a range of colors into your wardrobe that can be used to dramatically expand your combinatorial possibilities without swerving into dandy territory (who often can court more bold colors as suits that approach).
Extreme cut away collar, just yuck with anything but bow ties and I don't wear bow ties so ...well just useless to me.
Exactly, regular short sleeve dresshirts under a blazer = no. Slim Fit short sleeve dresshirts solo = yes! Especially if you are fit. Sometimes I feel Sven is just jealous so he makes up these ridiculous rules that have no place in modern fashion, because he himself looks like potato.
Bro you have poor posture, You should work on it a bit. It's just the healthy thing to do
Hint of color...not hue. Hue is literally where on the spectrum the color lies, which means, for example, is it red or blue.
I agree with everything he is saying except about monograming. I put a small block three letter monogram on my picket and it looks very understated and subtle.
I agree, a subtle monogram on the chest pocket is very preppy especially in the South, USA
I have a non iron shirt that belonged to my father and you're exactly right about that plastic-like feel when it's been washed too many times. It's a shame because it's such a gorgeous deep red
Thank You for the Video 😀
Thank you for including Henley in talking about untucked casual shirt options.
7:16 My inner Spiritual Boomer is all like " Back in my Day, we didnt even have Untucked Dress Shirts " lol....
I agree with you about the untucked shirts. Only wear them untucked at home.
I have other 2 underrated dress shirts, in particular dress shirt cuffs: neapolitan (or cocktail) cuffs, and link cuffs (not double french cuffs, but single)
Not wearing short dress shirts with a tie? The Marine Corps understands this.
Service Bravos will be a long sleeve shirt with the necktie and tie clasp, Service Charlies are a short sleeve shirt with an open collar, Dress Blue Deltas also consist of the short sleeve shirt with the open collar, and so on.
However, look back at photos of NASA and aerospace engineers, particularly during the start of the Cold War in the 50's and during the Mercury, Gemini, and Apollo years, with short sleeve cuffed white shirts and thin dark ties... they all looked professional, well groomed, presentable, and quite capable of transitioning from their work environment to drinks and dinner after work before going home.
I'm so glad we don't have to wear peacock and tacky colors and patterns. Never could understand the appeal of red stripes on ties, bright pocket squares, mis-matched shoes with a suit (Brown shoes with a blue suit, for example), ascots and cummerbunds. And if you like bowties, even classy black or white tie and tuxedo or tails, that's fine, but you'll never get me to wear one. At least a regular tie covers the shirt buttons.
Oh, and I hate polo shirts. Get a grown man's shirt already, or just wear a T-shirt. Ridiculous garments.