The world ended because of bad programing. Let this be a lesson kids, never build giant death machines (powered by organic matter that they can harvest) and have no back door switch or set limit to their production hard wired into machine code and hardware.
Fero's era had over a century of Sci-fi stories that told them why exactly it was a bad idea to make what they made and they still made it anyway. The real tragedy was that the world died for Faro's stupidity and he survived it.
It would've been poetic if one of the Faro Plague bots awakenend during HZD had found it's way into his bunker and consumed his biomass before Aloy shut HADES down.
There’s a lot of sci-fi stories based on bad programming, even old ones. The Matrix. WarGames (1983). Colossus: The Forbin Project (1970). I have a clip of Dark Star (1974) on my channel of a sentient bomb that ended up in a philosophy discussion. As a programmer myself, error-handling is immense, but vital.
Remember Star Wars project? The network of satellites that were supposed to detect a nuclear launch from the USSR or China and automatically respond? Reportedly the man who was behind this project have quit. Because he stated that if something went wrong, some kind of bug was there, he would have minutes or even seconds to fix it until the system have started a World War III. And he stated that he trusts neither himself nor computers to *THIS* degree.
The first one tells you how. The machines were self replicating and powered by biomass. Project Zero Dawn was a mission to save as much DNA as possible to wait out the eventual death of the planet, then the shutdown of the machines by the hastily written AI. Then a restart of the ecosystem, and once that's deemed stable enough, then humans are cloned and grown. But the system is never truly stable, and humanity is needed to fix the problem, so in the first game your goal is to reboot the AI. In the game world apocalypse came and left nothing, but a few people managed to gather enough to be able to give new life to a dead planet.
partially correct :) Spoilers for Horizon: Zero Dawn below Project Zero Dawn was a race to build an AI system called GAIA to reboot the ecosystem after the Fero Plague consumed all life on earth. One of GAIA's subfunctions was a system designed to crack the Fero Plague's security and shut down all of the machines. Once the plague was dealt with, the other subfunctions worked to rebuild the ecosystems of earth. At some point, GAIA did succeed at creating a stable biosphere for life to begin and so humans were grown from a backup of DNA collected from across the world, and released. Unfortunately, due to a particular CEO, the subsystem of all human knowledge was deleted, and thus life was forced to start again in the tribal era. At the start of the game, an "extinction signal" was received by GAIA that corrupted it's subfunctions and caused them to become aggressive and started the collapse that the Horizon Trilogy is trying to fix. Horizon: Zero Dawn is Aloy's discovery of who she is and what happened in the old world, and Forbidden West is about restarting GAIA and starting to repair the system.
"I need the wisdom of my ancestors to help save my people, not forbidden knowledge of their sins." Lady, learning from their sins is how you save your people because then you won't repeat them.
I actually love that this was Alva's first response to this revelation. She is scared and overwhelmed and her reaction, while not completely logical or 'correct', is incredibly human.
@@KaiInMotionKinda confirmed in the Burning Shores DLC. Alma's tribe followed a strict, somewhat military based caste system. One based on 'teachings' of Ted Faro. If you know who Ted Faro is in the Horizon game world, then you know enough about how set in their ways they are, and how #@&$ed up most of their leaders are. You end up seeing just HOW MUCH they got wrong and how far the leaders are willing to go to keep it that way in the next mission you meet with them. It's the one where you have to get the OMEGA clearance module.
Ladies face when the forbidden cards become playable because the guy has been playing both sides this whole time and forbidden cards are legally playable
When the machine told "Initiating biomass conversion process", I got the biggest chill running down my spine. I knew what was going to happen and what it meant, that we got to witness a dose on how the old world died. And seeing it happen with Alloy not being able to stop it, that was exactly what happened to Elizabeth Sobeck... That was probably the most chilling moment of the game, the realization of what it meant, the destruction of life itself as a machinery ruthless process.
@@RoyBrown777 That Red Mist is what was used to consume all biomass on the planet. Aloy was looking at the key item that killed everyone on the planet, it was expanding in all directions, and as far as Aloy knew it would expand and kill Aloy an Alva as well. But then the (very) old protection worked and they were protected.
And the wild thing is, even if they had been able to distribute the metal flowers in time, it still wouldn't have worked. Gaia calculated that they still would have found a way around it. Zero Dawn was truly the only way forward.
The Horizon games both Zero Dawn and Forbidden West with DLC add ons are some of the best games I've ever played and in my opinion true gaming masterpieces.❤
Aloy and Alva both understand one another and work well together: Aloy knows what it's like to work hard to save a stubborn tribe of people who often get in your way to their own detriment and having to deal with the annoying social politica and hierarchies making things more difficult for them. Aloy is practical enough to grasp what Alva is saying and work with her to give her something tangible to bring back to her tribe. And considering Ceo is a total maniac at this point you can imagine Alva hasn't survived him this long by doing stupid shit like coming back empty-handed and going "Yeah a random local lady told me things wil magically get better lol." Especially since the Quen's experience with other tribes have only been hostile up to that point, to the extent that the Quen now assume they're all savage barbarians and essentially have a shoot-on-sight protocol towards them.
Alva: "I don't want to put in the work to actually solve the problem! I want something flashy to show that I solved the problem, even if I didn't." This perfectly explains most people and how they behave; only thinking in short term and never able to grasp anything beyond that.
She didn’t want a shortcut, she wanted a solution. Her issue wasn’t that there was no easy answer, it was that there wasn’t an answer at all. Yes, she needed something to impress the Overseers, but it wasn’t just about staving off punishment or advancing her career. It was about making sure she had the freedom to keep searching for something to help her people and her family. Knowing the truth of the Faro Plague and Project Zero Dawn is important for humanity as a whole, and she’d love the chance to explore that in a perfect world, but she knew the Overseers would see this as Forbidden knowledge and strip her of her resources. What’s more, knowing how the world ended doesn’t help her keep her people from dying.
She was on a mission to find something tangible that could save her people: schematics, agricultural knowledge, new tech, anything. Her entire society is dying and she can't expect them to take it on faith from a stranger that things will magically get better. It would be insane to do that. Alva is never lazy in this game, let alone looking to take credit for the work of others lol, what an insanely out of context hot take about this character.
Well, to be fair to the horizon:x series, their version of robots were designed to to this by a war mongering CEO who didn't want to compromise his product with a back door that would have allowed them to stop this from happening. His product then went on to destroy the world. There is also good AI on the form of Gaia, which acts as the ai controlling and recreating the world with the dinosaur robots. And **spoilers** The final kind of AI are the recreted digital consciousnesses of the far zenith colonists who left before the world ended and which were locked in a kind of digital prison until they went insane and decided to destroy Gaia and the flesh and blood people they were based off of. This is a unique sci fi concept, still a kind of out of control AI, but with a spin not seen before. It would not surprise me if we learn in the next installment that the far zenith colonists were somehow responsible for the zero dawn incident. Something like we get to see more of the far zeiths through their digital copies and one of them reveals they caused it. They were the world's 1%, flying away like elon musk to another planet with advanced the technology to keep themselves young indefinitely. People like that have shown they only care about their goals and profits, no matter how that effects people.
Holy hell some of the people in the comments are out of touch. They look like normal women guys. Y’all are too obsessed with your anti-woke crusade that you are actually looking for something to be offended about even when there is nothing there. Touch some grass.
My personal problem with these looks is that they never fit the universe these characters show up in. This one is supposed to be post-apolalyptic, with a lack of basic needs, she even says that her sister is 14 and skin and bone. So why then is she slightly overweight. It doesn't make sense in universe. THAT is what most are really having problems with. For me it's not about being woke, but about pulling real life looks and issues into something that is supposed to not have those. You know, gaming was supposed to be an escape from real life. Not mirror it.
But that's exactly the problem? Alva looks like somebody I'd meet while touching grass, right down to the haircut (And probably hang out with in real life, no hate). And then she talks about trying to avoid starvation in a post-apocalyptic world. Isn't that jarring to you? It's like these 50's adventure movies where suddenly people with perfect hair and manicure turn up in loincloths and are supposed to be cavepeople. For a (granted, cell-shaded and more abstract) believable character design in a post-apocalyptic setting, look at Telltale's the walking dead. For a believable depiction of low-tech tribal peoples (which the societies in Horizon are supposed to be) look at Hellblade 1+2. That being said, there is definitely a group of asshats out there who are just haters.
@@nicholasm4058 Hi, and no. Ugly char design means the product is overall weak. Since its done by some DIY studio. Such companies go bankrupt. Or if top big to die fast, lose a lot of money, just like Disney with their black mairmaid.
@@nicholasm4058 I dont have anything against ugly people. Im not that pretty myself :D But if I were to design something, beauty would be an aspekt. In this game tough - you can see its politicaly influenced. I dont have to play it to know it has to have like : Ugly women. The bad guys are white. Gay is okey. And so on.
Not really, Aloy's costumes were mostly stunning in this game. And I love the Quen fashion sense, I wish we'd gotten some of their armor in the game. Some of the Tenakth outfits blur together though.
Not really. She's more panicked than ignorant. She's educated to an extent most people in her world aren't and is capable enough to explore ancient ruins and operate their computer systems with an impressive level of familiarity and success, this is literally the only moment from her character where she's reluctant to embrace new knowledge and that's only because she's seeing something negative that pushes her into a panic attack. She spends the entire game being a dedicated explorer and historian/scholar. This is a world where basic literacy is impressive and people worship machines, so she's doing pretty well for herself.
The world ended because of bad programing. Let this be a lesson kids, never build giant death machines (powered by organic matter that they can harvest) and have no back door switch or set limit to their production hard wired into machine code and hardware.
Fero's era had over a century of Sci-fi stories that told them why exactly it was a bad idea to make what they made and they still made it anyway.
The real tragedy was that the world died for Faro's stupidity and he survived it.
@@Gekigundam Well, some karmic end for Faro that he ended as a living flesh blob, probably in excruciating pain, for a thousand years.
It would've been poetic if one of the Faro Plague bots awakenend during HZD had found it's way into his bunker and consumed his biomass before Aloy shut HADES down.
There’s a lot of sci-fi stories based on bad programming, even old ones. The Matrix. WarGames (1983). Colossus: The Forbin Project (1970). I have a clip of Dark Star (1974) on my channel of a sentient bomb that ended up in a philosophy discussion. As a programmer myself, error-handling is immense, but vital.
Remember Star Wars project? The network of satellites that were supposed to detect a nuclear launch from the USSR or China and automatically respond?
Reportedly the man who was behind this project have quit. Because he stated that if something went wrong, some kind of bug was there, he would have minutes or even seconds to fix it until the system have started a World War III. And he stated that he trusts neither himself nor computers to *THIS* degree.
The first one tells you how. The machines were self replicating and powered by biomass. Project Zero Dawn was a mission to save as much DNA as possible to wait out the eventual death of the planet, then the shutdown of the machines by the hastily written AI. Then a restart of the ecosystem, and once that's deemed stable enough, then humans are cloned and grown. But the system is never truly stable, and humanity is needed to fix the problem, so in the first game your goal is to reboot the AI.
In the game world apocalypse came and left nothing, but a few people managed to gather enough to be able to give new life to a dead planet.
partially correct :)
Spoilers for Horizon: Zero Dawn below
Project Zero Dawn was a race to build an AI system called GAIA to reboot the ecosystem after the Fero Plague consumed all life on earth. One of GAIA's subfunctions was a system designed to crack the Fero Plague's security and shut down all of the machines. Once the plague was dealt with, the other subfunctions worked to rebuild the ecosystems of earth. At some point, GAIA did succeed at creating a stable biosphere for life to begin and so humans were grown from a backup of DNA collected from across the world, and released. Unfortunately, due to a particular CEO, the subsystem of all human knowledge was deleted, and thus life was forced to start again in the tribal era. At the start of the game, an "extinction signal" was received by GAIA that corrupted it's subfunctions and caused them to become aggressive and started the collapse that the Horizon Trilogy is trying to fix. Horizon: Zero Dawn is Aloy's discovery of who she is and what happened in the old world, and Forbidden West is about restarting GAIA and starting to repair the system.
"I need the wisdom of my ancestors to help save my people, not forbidden knowledge of their sins." Lady, learning from their sins is how you save your people because then you won't repeat them.
I actually love that this was Alva's first response to this revelation. She is scared and overwhelmed and her reaction, while not completely logical or 'correct', is incredibly human.
Feminists don't need advice. Kk bigot
I think she was also scared if she learned too much "forbidden" knowledge and tarnished the ancestors her tribe might shoot the messenger so to speak.
@@KaiInMotionKinda confirmed in the Burning Shores DLC. Alma's tribe followed a strict, somewhat military based caste system. One based on 'teachings' of Ted Faro. If you know who Ted Faro is in the Horizon game world, then you know enough about how set in their ways they are, and how #@&$ed up most of their leaders are. You end up seeing just HOW MUCH they got wrong and how far the leaders are willing to go to keep it that way in the next mission you meet with them. It's the one where you have to get the OMEGA clearance module.
Ladies face when the forbidden cards become playable because the guy has been playing both sides this whole time and forbidden cards are legally playable
1:30
- Alva: "What did we just see?"
- Senator Armstrong: "Nanomachines, son!"
When the machine told "Initiating biomass conversion process", I got the biggest chill running down my spine. I knew what was going to happen and what it meant, that we got to witness a dose on how the old world died. And seeing it happen with Alloy not being able to stop it, that was exactly what happened to Elizabeth Sobeck... That was probably the most chilling moment of the game, the realization of what it meant, the destruction of life itself as a machinery ruthless process.
It looks liked a really poor quality red mist particle effect landing on grass, what on earth is chilling about it?
@@RoyBrown777 That Red Mist is what was used to consume all biomass on the planet. Aloy was looking at the key item that killed everyone on the planet, it was expanding in all directions, and as far as Aloy knew it would expand and kill Aloy an Alva as well. But then the (very) old protection worked and they were protected.
And the wild thing is, even if they had been able to distribute the metal flowers in time, it still wouldn't have worked. Gaia calculated that they still would have found a way around it. Zero Dawn was truly the only way forward.
The Horizon games both Zero Dawn and Forbidden West with DLC add ons are some of the best games I've ever played and in my opinion true gaming masterpieces.❤
HA
Really loved both of them. FW improved the early game mechanics and I ended up liking it better of the two!
Aloy and Alva both understand one another and work well together: Aloy knows what it's like to work hard to save a stubborn tribe of people who often get in your way to their own detriment and having to deal with the annoying social politica and hierarchies making things more difficult for them. Aloy is practical enough to grasp what Alva is saying and work with her to give her something tangible to bring back to her tribe. And considering Ceo is a total maniac at this point you can imagine Alva hasn't survived him this long by doing stupid shit like coming back empty-handed and going "Yeah a random local lady told me things wil magically get better lol."
Especially since the Quen's experience with other tribes have only been hostile up to that point, to the extent that the Quen now assume they're all savage barbarians and essentially have a shoot-on-sight protocol towards them.
They both look like butch lesbians aswell. Perfect match
Alva: "I don't want to put in the work to actually solve the problem! I want something flashy to show that I solved the problem, even if I didn't." This perfectly explains most people and how they behave; only thinking in short term and never able to grasp anything beyond that.
She didn’t want a shortcut, she wanted a solution. Her issue wasn’t that there was no easy answer, it was that there wasn’t an answer at all. Yes, she needed something to impress the Overseers, but it wasn’t just about staving off punishment or advancing her career. It was about making sure she had the freedom to keep searching for something to help her people and her family. Knowing the truth of the Faro Plague and Project Zero Dawn is important for humanity as a whole, and she’d love the chance to explore that in a perfect world, but she knew the Overseers would see this as Forbidden knowledge and strip her of her resources. What’s more, knowing how the world ended doesn’t help her keep her people from dying.
She was on a mission to find something tangible that could save her people: schematics, agricultural knowledge, new tech, anything. Her entire society is dying and she can't expect them to take it on faith from a stranger that things will magically get better. It would be insane to do that. Alva is never lazy in this game, let alone looking to take credit for the work of others lol, what an insanely out of context hot take about this character.
Underrated comment.
It's kind of weird that every futuristic story about sentient robots comes up with a version of 'sky net'... or how robots inherit the Earth.
Well, to be fair to the horizon:x series, their version of robots were designed to to this by a war mongering CEO who didn't want to compromise his product with a back door that would have allowed them to stop this from happening. His product then went on to destroy the world.
There is also good AI on the form of Gaia, which acts as the ai controlling and recreating the world with the dinosaur robots. And **spoilers**
The final kind of AI are the recreted digital consciousnesses of the far zenith colonists who left before the world ended and which were locked in a kind of digital prison until they went insane and decided to destroy Gaia and the flesh and blood people they were based off of. This is a unique sci fi concept, still a kind of out of control AI, but with a spin not seen before. It would not surprise me if we learn in the next installment that the far zenith colonists were somehow responsible for the zero dawn incident. Something like we get to see more of the far zeiths through their digital copies and one of them reveals they caused it. They were the world's 1%, flying away like elon musk to another planet with advanced the technology to keep themselves young indefinitely. People like that have shown they only care about their goals and profits, no matter how that effects people.
If it makes you feel better, that's only because we are remembering what happened to the last planet so we don't have to seed a third planet
I gotta back to playing this, It was a blast discovering the Horizon community
The only way knowledge can be forbidden is by people who wish to remain in power
Holy hell some of the people in the comments are out of touch. They look like normal women guys. Y’all are too obsessed with your anti-woke crusade that you are actually looking for something to be offended about even when there is nothing there.
Touch some grass.
My personal problem with these looks is that they never fit the universe these characters show up in. This one is supposed to be post-apolalyptic, with a lack of basic needs, she even says that her sister is 14 and skin and bone. So why then is she slightly overweight. It doesn't make sense in universe. THAT is what most are really having problems with. For me it's not about being woke, but about pulling real life looks and issues into something that is supposed to not have those. You know, gaming was supposed to be an escape from real life. Not mirror it.
Nah the Alva character looks like she has Downs lol
But that's exactly the problem? Alva looks like somebody I'd meet while touching grass, right down to the haircut (And probably hang out with in real life, no hate). And then she talks about trying to avoid starvation in a post-apocalyptic world. Isn't that jarring to you? It's like these 50's adventure movies where suddenly people with perfect hair and manicure turn up in loincloths and are supposed to be cavepeople.
For a (granted, cell-shaded and more abstract) believable character design in a post-apocalyptic setting, look at Telltale's the walking dead. For a believable depiction of low-tech tribal peoples (which the societies in Horizon are supposed to be) look at Hellblade 1+2.
That being said, there is definitely a group of asshats out there who are just haters.
She's so hungry and her people are starving you can't tell by the fact that she's overweight and dressed in regal attire?
Jesus Christ, it really is Ashly Burch!
Yep . In the horizon lego game you can hear tiny tina leaking through .
This game is so beautiful. Those animations are amazing
Such an amazing game!
Such an amazing story.
Alva let me down here. I was hoping for more discussion about the end.
it would be so funny if thor watched this
Obviously instead by Fred Saberhagen’s Beserker series and Kieith Lammuer’s BOLO stories.
Do you mean "inspired" ?
Keith Laumer
I really think these (HORIZON) VideoGames, should be made into a computer animated show.
Agreed! Either 2D or 3D animation would work, IMO.
Sony is making something but we don't know if it is live action or animated
Eh at least they did not block out the sun.
Nice, I would play this
You like ugly character design :D ?
@@Derflingerbladetouch grass couch gremlin...
@@Derflingerbladeare they ugly to you? Is that the only reason you don’t play this game?
@@nicholasm4058 Hi, and no. Ugly char design means the product is overall weak. Since its done by some DIY studio. Such companies go bankrupt. Or if top big to die fast, lose a lot of money, just like Disney with their black mairmaid.
@@nicholasm4058 I dont have anything against ugly people. Im not that pretty myself :D But if I were to design something, beauty would be an aspekt.
In this game tough - you can see its politicaly influenced. I dont have to play it to know it has to have like : Ugly women. The bad guys are white. Gay is okey. And so on.
costume design kind of took an L in this game haha
Not really, Aloy's costumes were mostly stunning in this game. And I love the Quen fashion sense, I wish we'd gotten some of their armor in the game. Some of the Tenakth outfits blur together though.
So that's what had happened. I don't need to play the game now. Thanks.
There is so much more, but if you want to read the game's wiki that will give you the full story too
alva is a dude right
LOL, clueless native.
Not really. She's more panicked than ignorant. She's educated to an extent most people in her world aren't and is capable enough to explore ancient ruins and operate their computer systems with an impressive level of familiarity and success, this is literally the only moment from her character where she's reluctant to embrace new knowledge and that's only because she's seeing something negative that pushes her into a panic attack. She spends the entire game being a dedicated explorer and historian/scholar. This is a world where basic literacy is impressive and people worship machines, so she's doing pretty well for herself.