Check out the guy Mohammed Dahlan he is quite popular amongst palestinians and might be good to negotiate with he was involved in the normalization between il and the uae. he is definitely no angel but I feel like he might be interesting to look into
Destiny talking about the palestinians not staying as a dumb decision is kinda... dumb. Expecting people to endanger themselves and their families for a vague political purpose like that is absurd.
I wonder if Destiny would be comfortable saying the same thing about the millions of Ukrainians who fled their country to neighboring countries. Something tells me not...
I don’t know what’s going on with Destiny. His arguments are getting more and more wild. He is saying the Palestinians were dumb for fleeing the war. When confronted with children death, he tried to downplay it by staying if 15-17 year old militants could really be considered children (ignoring the fact that majority of dead children are age 5).
10:45 this is around one minute of discussion where lonerbox argues in favour of israel against destiny pointing it out cause, i guess because he's arguing against destiny in this video, people are coming out of the woodwork with wild ass shit against lonerbox's good faith
@@earhearthush-up5549 because destiny can easily reach out and convert people that are actually on the right unlike lonerbox (imo). Just the way he discusses things is a bit more easily absorbed
I think you have some idea that we're all supposed to be one sided on everything you can still be more on favor for one side but argue points for the others because being accurate and truthful matters with these discussions
why. the main channel vids are basically as high quality, last night literally always was just stream highlights that didnt make it to the main channel so kinda just random long talks. where did the quality go down??
The amnesty report cited only 3 instances of human shielding. How could this be a matter if policy? And wouldn't every army in the world have that record????
i dont even disagree inherently with the Israeli policy depending on how it played out, but this is retarded. If something is written in law as being policy but it only happens 3 times does that mean it wasn't policy at one point? You might try saying it *was* policy but was never *enforced*, which is a separate claim i might agree with. However that wouldnt change the fact that it was once policy.
13:19 thats such an unnecessary thing to say. They were worried about their safety and fled. Destiny concludes that they make stupid decisions. Sure AFTER years you can look back and think that there may have been other options. But saying they should have stayed because it MIGHT have been awkward for Israel is a pretty dumb statement, generally
@@simonjaz1279 okay since you dont seem to get it or dont want to: In the actual moment of uncertainty, even if its 60:40 percent that you will be at okay, usually its smarter to be safe and not bet on your life. Saying afterwards that it may have been fine, even tho we have no chance of knowing that, is incredibly pointless. It makes no sense and it is an valueless statement. Because it also may end in an absolute tragedy. We don't know, thats the point.
@@simonjaz1279 An Action can only be dumb when we know for sure the answer. And we know that they should have been able to know the answer too. Which wasnt the case, therefore its not dumb. When I ask you a question that science hasn't remotely solved yet and you do not know the answer, you aren't dumb. When you can't look into the future and assess a situation perfectly, you aren't dumb either.
Not sure you were listening properly, he didn't say that decision was dumb and he is well aware they fled due to fear of violence. You're boxing shadows
Different. I'd say if you don't know much about this story i'd go for the first one first.And if you want to go even before these events i'd say : One Palestine, Complete: Jews and Arabs Under the British Mandate..and for a more general approach: The Hundred Years' War on Palestine...Take care my friend. @@ravenhawk3758
Yes ,Destiny , exactly, the IDF just politely said " hey..um do mind knocking on a door for us? Pretty please? " and there was no danger in it for the nice, helpful semeritan who ,kindly obliged.
U would think so . But until oct 7 Palestinians didnt particularly feared idf . Its a complex game hwre but it has its set of rules. They know them well they can go say isf troop to go f himself and not much will happen not on check points and not in other places. The scary parts are happen if u behave in violent way in check point that can lead idf troops to think u are a terrorist becouse this stuff happens thing go down bad very fast and sec is when u see idf during active operation then its also buissnes its not talk and talk how much the knocking thing go toward the sec part its deepenes on the situation the situations and the geographical places were it hapens and the ppl involved is extremely not monolithic. Tho i cant expend more about the knock thing more becouse i dont have this particular experience
The king of Jordan was upset about the fact that Ehud Barak was willing to evacuate the Jordan Valley and give it to a third-party peace keeping force. He did not want the West Bank Palestinians to be able to freely access Jordan.
@1:10:00 I am 100% certain that the Arab League would have committed genocide had they won the 48 War. There is a very long history of Jewish massacres after uprisings during the Arab Conquests and Ottoman Empire. The ruling generation at the time of 48 had lived through the period of Dhimmi Status during Ottoman rule. There was a very no-nonsense policy on which the Jews were considered 3rd class citizens. You even state yourselves that Arabs at the time of the partition were feudal and archaic in ways. Just as many times before, in the 1920s, in 1840, 1834, 1705, going all the way back to the 7th century. The reason behind the Arab Conquests in the first place, and the foundation of Islam, began immediately with a massacre of Jews in Khaybar. To this day Arabs chant Khaybar Khaybar Ya Yehud even openly in NYC. In 48 if the Arabs won they would see it all as another Khaybar.
Dude, if by your own admition the threat of annexation lead to the Abraham accords them I suggest you listen to yourself and judge Netanyahu's rhetoric by his actions.
@arimoff the reason we want an International Humanitarian Law making it illegal to for an(y) occupying army to force dangerous work onto the civillians of the occupied territory is so that if your territory is ever in the losing position you and your family aren't forces to check for booby traps. If they volunteer(for knocking on doors not booby traps) of their own volition great. Making a public announcement and letting people choose(in advance and on call preferably) would be fine. Asking them and making them feel like they'reput of the spot should be a no no.
minute 17-18 LonerBox is giving a pass to arabs, saying that their stated policy was most likely their conduct and goals, but before that his whole argument was that Israel's stated policy was not their conduct or goals because of some "evidence" on Ben Gurion that no one has ever seen before. BTW Haifa, Lod and Ramla were majority arab cities in Israel for all of Israel's history and it was precisely because of the stated policies becoming reality. Lastly, in the Israel traveling thing guy's video he gave evidence (video evidence too) that the massacre in Dir Yasin was Greatly exaggerated which was the instigator of the mass fleeing. LonerBox is Extremely bad faith since he leaves out these key parts. Guess that's why he's a loner.
There was many massacre during the nakba, that's the difference. How was the massacre in Dir Yasin "Greatly axaggerated" ? From 250 to 100 isn't a huge change, it's still a massacre of a whole village that would cause anyone to flee if they knew people who committed this massacre were coming for them
@@ni9274 Another who hasn't watched the video? It was exaggerated to be many more hundreds, with rape torture and satanic mayhem, all of this was propaganda when in actuality it was around 40-ish with over half of these being active combatants. I might be incorrect, watch the video for me and tell me if I got it wrong, will ya? Also, what do you say about Lonerbox's double standards when it comes to stated policy?
it was exgaratted by both sides, Zionists at the beginning also inflated the numbers, I think lonerbox mentioned this in his response to the traveling israel guy. And again, Deir Yassin was not an isolated case@@springsmart
@@vexling111 Every destiny video is a replay of a stream and hes been off for a week, so the stream has been up for a week. Also, the same video is on DGG clips.
@@DrStrangelove_ totally forgot he actually streams LOL. I only consume preselected clips. Thanks for clearing this out for me. And you're right. I also get that feeling nothing of interes is going around. I recommend going back to Rajj Royale, plenty of fun panels
FWIW, regarding the West Bank, there is second ICJ hearing for Israel scheduled for February 19 - 26: Legal Consequences arising from the Policies and Practices of Israel in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem.
Well thats with everyone including destiny, changing ur view is connected to so many other perspectives in ur life in a lot of instances if this view is changed the mountain of ideas that builds a persons perspective on an issue will also have to change completely just destroying or leading to the person questioning everything before that which is pretty uncomfortable and MOST people including ur mommy destiny (girls name) are just not doing that in the span of a two hour talk. and in the small cases it does it takes a long time destiny has admitted this himself
@@sleezerbarb9670 Destiny fanboys consider Destiny saying "good morning" to his mother as "dismantling her argument". They're literally ill. Just look at how all of them are running back the Mark Lamont Hill debate because Destiny conceded it was actually good and he had great points. Initially, they were all shitting on him saying "Destiny was wrecking him" only for their god leader to outright admit that it was a fruitful discussion with both having good points. For people that call MAGAtards cults, these guys are literally no better. Also, Ben Shapiro won
@@Innocent.a1 when did destiny have his argument taken down like that tho? i watch all these videos who do u think proved the foundation if his argument to be false
@lastnightdestiny you keep referring to this Ben Ami quote but I would really urge you to reconsider how you treat it after 7.10. that quote is actually part of the basis for what we call "the conception", the basis for how Arab leaders are able to numb us down before major attacks time after time. It is possible that these heated statements are rhetoric aimed internally at political needs, but we can't take that risk when once in a while these actions are followed by attacks.
@@Cored123 "non" voluntary would just be the negation of what I said voluntary was where if something is voluntary it has to be the case that there are no contracts and no pay involved. The negation is just going to say that it is NOT the case that it is limited by that.
@@XanEli1 Based on your definition of "volunatry"; I could ask someone to do a specific task at gunpoint and it would still be considered voluntary, since there is no payment or contract. Cambridge dictionary defines voluntary as "done, made, or given willingly, without being forced or paid to do it". This definition is more broad than what you provided and definitely complies with how regular people use the word.... So when they said its limited to only volunteering, it could also mean the negation of "forcing" somebody to do it.
I think, maybe, when they say "volunteering" to door knock, they mean having someone come forward on their own volition. Instead of having an IDF soldier ask, they might just wait for someone to approach.
@Reza-hz1ce there seemed to be some confusion about what using "volunteers" meant, so I present what might be a reasonable interpretation of a "volunteer". If they were asking (or telling) before, it might feel coercive. But if they set up in an area and wait for someone to approach them, it would be closer to a "volunteer" action.
Um, if only 1 palestinian was killed from their human shield use, doesn't that only mean "Hamas" is not active in the areas they are searching OR that Hamas is actually being careful to not kill the civilian population? It does not automatically mean its a tactic that works. Wouldn't a better question be how successful the IDF has been in preventing terrorist actions by this practice? Like the whole point is to eliminate the "threat" to Israel, right? So how efficient are their actions? Have they made anything safer for Israel? (the answer to that is no as Oct 7 proved)
Oct 7 proved that the ceasefire and "leave them alone" approach didn't work, not that the new approach that started after Oct 7 didn't work unless you think Sinwar has a time machine lol
I would guess similar to Omar Baddar, by talking down to destiny, refusing to respond to destiny’s questions, and repeatedly claiming destiny is “Bad faith”. It won’t be anything like Destiny and Marc Lamont Hill.
Really not sure why Abbas can't, shouldn't be considered someone Israelis can negotiate with, his main problem is not having enough support or credibility with Palestinians, that changing even gradually is probably unlikely but more likely then there suddenly or long later being some new moderate without checkered past.
Has anyone confronted Destiny on his stance on the Biden classified docs outcome? I know what he mentioned several months ago but now we have evidence to the contrary. Any comment?
@@mattclayer6541 evidence that he knowingly kept and shared classified docs/info. The argument destiny made was Biden didn't intend to keep or share those docs, attributing it to mishandling. Now there are statements from legal offices to the contrary (that he willfully kept and shared that stuff).
Why do these clip channels always just post the same shit? He streams longer than this yet its always the same segments. Dont tell me they just rip clips directly off each other and dont even bother recording the fucking stream.... that would be unbelievably lazy
Under S.African Apartheid , only Whites had the vote . Israeli settlers in the occupied West-Bank , can vote in Israeli elections but Palestinians can’t. So Israel treats the West Bank as part of Israel ( for the Jewish settlers ) but an occupied territory for the Palestinians ( bingo - Apartheid ) Also West Bank settlers can go and live in Israel-proper , but West-bank Palestinians , can’t ( bingo - Apartheid ) An Arab woman in N.Israel can not marry an Arab , in the West-bank and settle , together , in N.Israel ; A Jewish woman can bring back a partner from the West-bank - if he is Jewish ( bingo - Apartheid )
So if I am staying in Canada and send a mail in ballot to the US, the US is committing apartheid against the Canadians? The reason Israeli settlers can vote even if they reside in the West Bank is not because of their race but because they’re CITIZENS of Israel. An Arab Israeli living in Hebron could vote in an Israeli election because he’s a citizen. A Palestinian who does not have an Israeli citizenship is obviously not going to be able to vote in Israeli elections. That is not apartheid. That’s called citizenship rights. I can’t vote in France, even if I lived in a US embassy. They’re not discriminating against me, I’m just not their citizen. It doesn’t treat the West Bank as part of Israel for settlers vs for Palestinians, it is rather that an Israeli citizen can still vote for their state despite living in the West Bank. A Jewish woman could not marry a Jewish man in the West Bank and then bring him back to Israel unless that Jewish man was already a citizen. An Arab woman could not marry an Arab man in the West Bank unless they were both already citizens. That’s not limited to the West Bank though, that also applies in Lebanon, Syria and Iraq iirc. So again, that’s not apartheid (discrimination on race) but it’s discrimination based on citizenship status. Israeli≠Jewish.
@@tartarus1322 "So if I am staying in Canada and send a mail in ballot to the US, the US is committing apartheid against the Canadians?" What did I just read? How are you "staying" in Canada in this example? Did you illegal move there and set up a little tin shack outpost?
What is the point of wearing different clothes, or different types of shoes? Do you have tattoos? Do you decorate your home with stuff? People like to alter things to make it their own style or make themselves more unique. Hoping that your comment is in good faith.
I think that if you actually want peace in the Israel than you should impose Saudi rule upon them until the point that the population can be de-radicalized through education, in addition Israel will need to start destroying settlements slowly in order to give the Saudis more credibility in the form of an idea(remember its supposed to be planned) that their pressure on Israel actually achieves something(of course there will be strict oversight open to the western and Israel leaders to see exactly that it is not misused like in the case of UNRWA). later after a period of 5-3 centuries or so the Palestinians will be able to hold elections in and if both the Saudis and Israel are semi confident that sentiment in the Palestinian attitudes have shifted from Jihad to talks. it will take a lot of work to de-radicalize them from the UNRWA and PLO teaching which have been rampant for a few centuries already, in addition it will serve as cutting the Palestinians from the Iranian and their proxies influence on the Palestinians. but there is one problem here and its that there is no way that Arab leaders will take this hands on approach because they want to be viewed favorably and as uninvolved in any affairs there that might be propagandized by Iranian Ayatollah backers to their detriment, and it most definitely wont happen under Netanyahu.
Couldn’t we go to one side of the conflict who claim they REALLLY just want a place to call their own, and send them to the uninhabited parts of North West territories in Canada? Let them cultivate the land however they like with modern day technological support. Canada is woke enough and/or western enough to support either side.
i assume this wouldn't work as 1. the religious significance of where they are means they are not likely to leave and 2. that's still just kicking people out of their homes
Lonerbox calling the other guy bias towards israel is hilarious. Really? You of all ppl? At first, i actually believed he came with pure intentions, but that guy is pure full on pro palestine propagenda machine. Its pathetic
@ni9274 Have you seen or heard his debates with destiny or saw his 2 videos about "travelingisrael"? All he does is try (unsuccessfully 90% of the times) to find a reason to put s%#t on israel. Destiny corrects him every time but instead of saying: "ok. You right" and concede he just moves on to the next fake palestinian talking point, And just ignores everything thats being said. Lets take the video he made about travelingIsrael, for example. He didnt debunk nothing. Absolutly nothing. Yet he felt the urge to post 2 video aiming at him crying about "not posting sourcrs" or crying that israelies dont understand that "im for human rights and thats why i care abour lgbtq equally as i care ppl that throwing lgbtq ppl off the roof". Thats all he has about it. Yet he insists on trying again and again... Its laughable. Not to mention the thousands of times where he completely ignores the heinous crimes committed by pallestinians throughout the years beyond the intifadas and the major wars. Look, if after everytime you lose an argument you just move on to the next talking point and I can't respect that kind of person
@ni9274 And lets not foget the way he say "zionists" every time like it some kind of a derogatory word. He can easily say jews, israel or israelies, but he's making a point by using it like that. Like zionists are some kind of nazis.
54:20 Begin came to power 3 decades after the state of Israel was already created. Begin did not murder Egyptians as a terrorist. Begin who was from the Etsel, and Lehi, were considered illegitimate in the eyes of the majority of the Yishuv. They gained legitimacy very fast after Israel was born, but it took time. On the contrary Arafat, Baraghouti, Hamas, Tanzim, Shuada al aksa, TERROR, they are immensly popular with and have support for terror from almost all of their population. Or in other words, that shows the Arab palestinian population is in favour of terror and has no wish for peace or comprmise. And that support of continuation of fighting exists also with the Arab Israelis. the Arab Israelis parties are all against the existance of Israel or have very Anti Israeli sentiments. 51:40 Yes. We did negotiations with Arafat, an archi terrorist. And looked what happened. Now you want us to repeat the mistake again? That is why its not going to happen again.
1. Many Arabs decided to stay and today they are 20% of Israeli citizens. So what you say is bullshit. 2. From the part of the movie I saw about Tantura, about half way through, all I saw were talks about rumors. Just a lot of editing and no evidence.
@compovi8461 no way they let them stay, simple reason, the Palestinians would be the majority. "Rumours" this is well documented, there are many testimonies from veterans about what they did. This movie is based on research that was banned and the researcher was persecuted and denied any academic recognition. Mf there many gravesites under most of occupied Palestinian beaches of massacred Palestinians. By the way the 20% you talking about are not treated as equal.
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Check out the guy Mohammed Dahlan he is quite popular amongst palestinians and might be good to negotiate with he was involved in the normalization between il and the uae. he is definitely no angel but I feel like he might be interesting to look into
the title of this video grammatically makes no sense
What are you OFF about grammar?
Nazi! Grammer nazi😂(also. I agree)
August is shit what else is new
Your comment grammatically makes no sense.
@@TR13400 comments aren't held to the same standards
Destiny talking about the palestinians not staying as a dumb decision is kinda... dumb. Expecting people to endanger themselves and their families for a vague political purpose like that is absurd.
I wonder if Destiny would be comfortable saying the same thing about the millions of Ukrainians who fled their country to neighboring countries. Something tells me not...
I don’t know what’s going on with Destiny. His arguments are getting more and more wild. He is saying the Palestinians were dumb for fleeing the war. When confronted with children death, he tried to downplay it by staying if 15-17 year old militants could really be considered children (ignoring the fact that majority of dead children are age 5).
The word "on" is missing from the title, off on
Thanks buddy, the world will keep turning because of you
Or “that” instead of “what” lol
Destiny was talking so fast, how can we ever know
Or where instead of what
10:45 this is around one minute of discussion where lonerbox argues in favour of israel against destiny
pointing it out cause, i guess because he's arguing against destiny in this video, people are coming out of the woodwork with wild ass shit against lonerbox's good faith
Yeah, typical pseudo intellectual fanboys, I love destiny but god it’s embarrassing how much less smart his listeners are
@@earhearthush-up5549 less smart than who?
@@earhearthush-up5549 because destiny can easily reach out and convert people that are actually on the right unlike lonerbox (imo). Just the way he discusses things is a bit more easily absorbed
@@earhearthush-up5549 i guarantee im smarter than you
I think you have some idea that we're all supposed to be one sided on everything you can still be more on favor for one side but argue points for the others because being accurate and truthful matters with these discussions
Nice title name Augustus
August quality has gone from fairly impressive to critically unimpressive and downright disappointing in the space of a couple months.
How many of the side channels does august even manage?
Elaborate?
??? why
The first of the hatewatchers
why. the main channel vids are basically as high quality, last night literally always was just stream highlights that didnt make it to the main channel so kinda just random long talks. where did the quality go down??
The amnesty report cited only 3 instances of human shielding. How could this be a matter if policy? And wouldn't every army in the world have that record????
well if the idf isnt 100% perfect angels, they are literaally genociding children just cause they like the smell of blood.. obviously!
i dont even disagree inherently with the Israeli policy depending on how it played out, but this is retarded. If something is written in law as being policy but it only happens 3 times does that mean it wasn't policy at one point? You might try saying it *was* policy but was never *enforced*, which is a separate claim i might agree with. However that wouldnt change the fact that it was once policy.
13:19 thats such an unnecessary thing to say. They were worried about their safety and fled. Destiny concludes that they make stupid decisions.
Sure AFTER years you can look back and think that there may have been other options.
But saying they should have stayed because it MIGHT have been awkward for Israel is a pretty dumb statement, generally
doesnt make it less dumb....
@@simonjaz1279 okay since you dont seem to get it or dont want to:
In the actual moment of uncertainty, even if its 60:40 percent that you will be at okay, usually its smarter to be safe and not bet on your life.
Saying afterwards that it may have been fine, even tho we have no chance of knowing that, is incredibly pointless. It makes no sense and it is an valueless statement.
Because it also may end in an absolute tragedy. We don't know, thats the point.
@@simonjaz1279 An Action can only be dumb when we know for sure the answer. And we know that they should have been able to know the answer too. Which wasnt the case, therefore its not dumb.
When I ask you a question that science hasn't remotely solved yet and you do not know the answer, you aren't dumb.
When you can't look into the future and assess a situation perfectly, you aren't dumb either.
Not sure you were listening properly, he didn't say that decision was dumb and he is well aware they fled due to fear of violence. You're boxing shadows
@@Aliyaaaa but STILL would and can be considered a dumb decision...I'm sorry but your opinion here is just wrong lol
Very interesting so far. I would love to know what books and other resources Destiny and LonerBox have read on this subject. Is there a list anywhere?
This is one for sure: Scars of War, Wounds of Peace: The Israeli-Arab Tragedy- Ben-Ami, Shlomo
@@diegomattia4806 Thank you. What about his newer book, 'Prophets without honor'?
Different. I'd say if you don't know much about this story i'd go for the first one first.And if you want to go even before these events i'd say : One Palestine, Complete: Jews and Arabs Under the British Mandate..and for a more general approach: The Hundred Years' War on Palestine...Take care my friend. @@ravenhawk3758
I'm curious as well. What book is he reading specifically?
@@myrmidon4464 I just read some other comments that said he was specifically talking about 'Scars of War, Wounds of Peace'
Yes ,Destiny , exactly, the IDF just politely said " hey..um do mind knocking on a door for us? Pretty please? " and there was no danger in it for the nice, helpful semeritan who ,kindly obliged.
100%, and if he worked with the IDF the palestinians wouldnt trust that person anymore as well, but thats okayyy
U would think so . But until oct 7 Palestinians didnt particularly feared idf . Its a complex game hwre but it has its set of rules. They know them well they can go say isf troop to go f himself and not much will happen not on check points and not in other places. The scary parts are happen if u behave in violent way in check point that can lead idf troops to think u are a terrorist becouse this stuff happens thing go down bad very fast and sec is when u see idf during active operation then its also buissnes its not talk and talk how much the knocking thing go toward the sec part its deepenes on the situation the situations and the geographical places were it hapens and the ppl involved is extremely not monolithic. Tho i cant expend more about the knock thing more becouse i dont have this particular experience
@@Aliyaaaabut that’s a Palestinian problem
@@guccidonbuzzflightyear4440 and an IDF problem
@@Omnipoops not really IDF isn’t there to protect Palestinians that’s what the Hamas/PLO responsibility should be
The king of Jordan was upset about the fact that Ehud Barak was willing to evacuate the Jordan Valley and give it to a third-party peace keeping force. He did not want the West Bank Palestinians to be able to freely access Jordan.
Context: jordanians are very pro-palestine and most jordanians are palestinians. It's monarchy, not so.
What book was Destiny referring to in this video? I’ve been super interested to know more in regards to the subject matter
The last time Israel released a popular politicians from prison it worked out so well. Sinwar did an amazing job to promote peace after his release.
@1:10:00 I am 100% certain that the Arab League would have committed genocide had they won the 48 War. There is a very long history of Jewish massacres after uprisings during the Arab Conquests and Ottoman Empire. The ruling generation at the time of 48 had lived through the period of Dhimmi Status during Ottoman rule. There was a very no-nonsense policy on which the Jews were considered 3rd class citizens. You even state yourselves that Arabs at the time of the partition were feudal and archaic in ways. Just as many times before, in the 1920s, in 1840, 1834, 1705, going all the way back to the 7th century. The reason behind the Arab Conquests in the first place, and the foundation of Islam, began immediately with a massacre of Jews in Khaybar. To this day Arabs chant Khaybar Khaybar Ya Yehud even openly in NYC. In 48 if the Arabs won they would see it all as another Khaybar.
Dude, if by your own admition the threat of annexation lead to the Abraham accords them I suggest you listen to yourself and judge Netanyahu's rhetoric by his actions.
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49:21 all this research to finally come to (one of the most fundamental underlying) the obvious conclusion.
Waist of time debating stupidity. Its a war, you better send your enemy to check for traps instead of risking your own life.
@arimoff the reason we want an International Humanitarian Law making it illegal to for an(y) occupying army to force dangerous work onto the civillians of the occupied territory is so that if your territory is ever in the losing position you and your family aren't forces to check for booby traps.
If they volunteer(for knocking on doors not booby traps) of their own volition great. Making a public announcement and letting people choose(in advance and on call preferably) would be fine.
Asking them and making them feel like they'reput of the spot should be a no no.
@@arimoffsupposedly, random citizens are not the "enemy". Thats literally the point of the argument
@@redfoxtheposer8808 Remember when WW2 happened and over 50 million civilians died out side of the Jews and no one called that a genocide?
Gaza is one big military Hamas base, no civilians there.
minute 17-18 LonerBox is giving a pass to arabs, saying that their stated policy was most likely their conduct and goals, but before that his whole argument was that Israel's stated policy was not their conduct or goals because of some "evidence" on Ben Gurion that no one has ever seen before.
BTW Haifa, Lod and Ramla were majority arab cities in Israel for all of Israel's history and it was precisely because of the stated policies becoming reality.
Lastly, in the Israel traveling thing guy's video he gave evidence (video evidence too) that the massacre in Dir Yasin was Greatly exaggerated which was the instigator of the mass fleeing.
LonerBox is Extremely bad faith since he leaves out these key parts. Guess that's why he's a loner.
There was many massacre during the nakba, that's the difference.
How was the massacre in Dir Yasin "Greatly axaggerated" ? From 250 to 100 isn't a huge change, it's still a massacre of a whole village that would cause anyone to flee if they knew people who committed this massacre were coming for them
@@ni9274 Another who hasn't watched the video? It was exaggerated to be many more hundreds, with rape torture and satanic mayhem, all of this was propaganda when in actuality it was around 40-ish with over half of these being active combatants.
I might be incorrect, watch the video for me and tell me if I got it wrong, will ya?
Also, what do you say about Lonerbox's double standards when it comes to stated policy?
it was exgaratted by both sides, Zionists at the beginning also inflated the numbers, I think lonerbox mentioned this in his response to the traveling israel guy. And again, Deir Yassin was not an isolated case@@springsmart
The drought continues...
? This is a good video
@@filipsichrovsky not bad
@@filipsichrovsky You watched it already? :D
@@vexling111 Every destiny video is a replay of a stream and hes been off for a week, so the stream has been up for a week. Also, the same video is on DGG clips.
@@DrStrangelove_ totally forgot he actually streams LOL. I only consume preselected clips. Thanks for clearing this out for me.
And you're right. I also get that feeling nothing of interes is going around. I recommend going back to Rajj Royale, plenty of fun panels
22:03 don't leaders communicate though, especially for stuff like that? Pretty bad false signal to send.
Hey, this book that Destiny is reading, can someone tell me the name/author?
Scars of war by Shlomo Ben Ami
Thanks Schlomie
Is this just a discussion on how to effectively push pro Israel talking points?
2:05 Civilians might find it difficult to say no to IDF soldiers holding guns when asked.
Watched two more minutes this comment is now obsolete lol
Ahhh u exaggerate, its only arabs anyway, they are used to this...👀
Maybe the IDF could ask a civilian to ask a civilian to ask a civilian to knock on the door, it would defuse every interaction
Would the civilians be safe cooperating with the IDF?
@@guccidonbuzzflightyear4440 Well one chatter said that 1 in 2500 encounters ended up in a civilian death so Im guessing they totally would be 🤡
Wow…they’ve never thought of that!😂🤦♂️
Thank you🙏
We all love LonerBox’s wisdom.
Define "we"
And "love"
Define "we," "love" and "wisdom"
Nah he’s pretty dumb
whos we
I find it interesting how namby pamby he is on destiny's stream compared to how strident he is in his own videos.
What is the book Destiny is referring to?
Scars of war wounds of peace
FWIW, regarding the West Bank, there is second ICJ hearing for Israel scheduled for February 19 - 26: Legal Consequences arising from the Policies and Practices of Israel in the Occupied Palestinian Territory, including East Jerusalem.
East Jerusalem is part of Israel.
crazy how often people drop in and get their whole argument dismantled by destiny but refuse to change their view.
Destiny dismantled Lonerbox?
Well thats with everyone including destiny, changing ur view is connected to so many other perspectives in ur life in a lot of instances if this view is changed the mountain of ideas that builds a persons perspective on an issue will also have to change completely just destroying or leading to the person questioning everything before that which is pretty uncomfortable and MOST people including ur mommy destiny (girls name) are just not doing that in the span of a two hour talk. and in the small cases it does it takes a long time destiny has admitted this himself
@@sleezerbarb9670
Destiny fanboys consider Destiny saying "good morning" to his mother as "dismantling her argument". They're literally ill. Just look at how all of them are running back the Mark Lamont Hill debate because Destiny conceded it was actually good and he had great points. Initially, they were all shitting on him saying "Destiny was wrecking him" only for their god leader to outright admit that it was a fruitful discussion with both having good points. For people that call MAGAtards cults, these guys are literally no better.
Also, Ben Shapiro won
Mf this guy is the same lol
@@Innocent.a1 when did destiny have his argument taken down like that tho? i watch all these videos who do u think proved the foundation if his argument to be false
If it takes until now for Destiny to learn that Hamas is sunni then he really needs to learn to do actual good research lol
What is the name of the book destiny is reading?
Scars of War, Wounds of Peace: The Israeli-Arab Tragedy by Shlomo Ben-Ami, the former Minister of Internal Security under Ehud Barak
Thanks! @@MFMegaZeroX7
How to turn your head to war crimes.
Big Israel by Grant smith
So- basically Israeli propaganda
Did Destiny say “using human shields could be an effective tactic” after realizing the IDF used them?? 😂
I'm pretty sure he's always said it's effective, it just wouldn't be vs Hamas.
I know 😂😂😂😂
@@Lysergicide25 why you coping
@@Kitusser it’s obviously not effective against the IDF either….
@@Victestr0104its more effective than it is vs Hamas.
@lastnightdestiny you keep referring to this Ben Ami quote but I would really urge you to reconsider how you treat it after 7.10. that quote is actually part of the basis for what we call "the conception", the basis for how Arab leaders are able to numb us down before major attacks time after time. It is possible that these heated statements are rhetoric aimed internally at political needs, but we can't take that risk when once in a while these actions are followed by attacks.
This made me lose so much respect for ya Steven
I'm not fully caught up with the lore. What's the book referred to in the very beginning
Scars of war by Shlomo Ben Ami
The Bible
limiting to only volunteering just means limiting to non contractual or non paid work. It doesn't mean that before it wasn't voluntary... LOL
Average hasbara response
@@guzz114 My response is limited specifically to semantics.
So nonvolunatry work only means "paid work"?... you must be kidding.
@@Cored123 "non" voluntary would just be the negation of what I said voluntary was where if something is voluntary it has to be the case that there are no contracts and no pay involved. The negation is just going to say that it is NOT the case that it is limited by that.
@@XanEli1 Based on your definition of "volunatry"; I could ask someone to do a specific task at gunpoint and it would still be considered voluntary, since there is no payment or contract. Cambridge dictionary defines voluntary as "done, made, or given willingly, without being forced or paid to do it". This definition is more broad than what you provided and definitely complies with how regular people use the word.... So when they said its limited to only volunteering, it could also mean the negation of "forcing" somebody to do it.
wtf is this title
I think, maybe, when they say "volunteering" to door knock, they mean having someone come forward on their own volition. Instead of having an IDF soldier ask, they might just wait for someone to approach.
Lol bro what are you basing this on? The court case was discussing armed soldiers in the night asking people at gunpoint to knock on doors
@Reza-hz1ce there seemed to be some confusion about what using "volunteers" meant, so I present what might be a reasonable interpretation of a "volunteer". If they were asking (or telling) before, it might feel coercive. But if they set up in an area and wait for someone to approach them, it would be closer to a "volunteer" action.
Um, if only 1 palestinian was killed from their human shield use, doesn't that only mean "Hamas" is not active in the areas they are searching OR that Hamas is actually being careful to not kill the civilian population? It does not automatically mean its a tactic that works. Wouldn't a better question be how successful the IDF has been in preventing terrorist actions by this practice? Like the whole point is to eliminate the "threat" to Israel, right? So how efficient are their actions? Have they made anything safer for Israel? (the answer to that is no as Oct 7 proved)
Oct 7 proved that the ceasefire and "leave them alone" approach didn't work, not that the new approach that started after Oct 7 didn't work unless you think Sinwar has a time machine lol
Yeah bilal is being dense as fuck here, I agree with you @@ancalyme
@@ancalyme Israel has never and will never "leave them alone".
You have to cope real hard to say otherwise.
@@ancalymeThat's the fucking issue! Israel didn't "leave them alone".
depends on if ur speaking in past or current tence
How does norm plan to debate. This is going to awkward
Via landline with a candlestick telephone 🤣
I would guess similar to Omar Baddar, by talking down to destiny, refusing to respond to destiny’s questions, and repeatedly claiming destiny is “Bad faith”. It won’t be anything like Destiny and Marc Lamont Hill.
WHERE he's off about, or what he's WRONG about.
Summary: destiny girls name
Bro, how tf has Destiny only found out now at 49:05 that Hamas and Gaza as a whole is Sunni. 😭
David is very good, he may not have all the solutions (no one does) but he knows what he is talking about
Really not sure why Abbas can't, shouldn't be considered someone Israelis can negotiate with, his main problem is not having enough support or credibility with Palestinians, that changing even gradually is probably unlikely but more likely then there suddenly or long later being some new moderate without checkered past.
🚨Wee woo wee woo typo in title 🚨
Releasing a guy who ordered an attack on a bar Nizwa after the attack on 0ctober 7th seems a bit wild no?
What's the book he was talking about in the beginning?
Omg title omg off omg turtles
What was the book they were referencing in the beginning?
THANK GOD NO EYE CONTACT AGAIN
shouldn't this be the best convo ever? so much information. that with the girl on human shield that was super cool too
They always paint their nails.
and eat hot chip
Has anyone confronted Destiny on his stance on the Biden classified docs outcome? I know what he mentioned several months ago but now we have evidence to the contrary. Any comment?
Evidence of what exactly?
@@mattclayer6541 evidence that he knowingly kept and shared classified docs/info. The argument destiny made was Biden didn't intend to keep or share those docs, attributing it to mishandling. Now there are statements from legal offices to the contrary (that he willfully kept and shared that stuff).
Where is this LonerBox guy from? He generally sounds fully American, save for the way he hits all his Ts super hard.
Hes lebanese, but hes from the part of Lebanon that fought with Israel against Palestine
Why do these clip channels always just post the same shit? He streams longer than this yet its always the same segments. Dont tell me they just rip clips directly off each other and dont even bother recording the fucking stream.... that would be unbelievably lazy
Girl destin
dustin
Take your meds unc
Sounds like Lonerbox is more pro-Israel than ever
What is the name of the book that they are refrencing at the beginning of the video?
Scars of War, Wounds of Peace: The Israeli-Arab Tragedy
@@diegomattia4806 thanks a lot!
You are welcome :)@@JJBluez
are you discussing for real if it's good or not to use human shields ?
Hassan looks really skinny.
I h8 the way lonerbox right headphone not fully on his ear
True
Did Destiny delete his youtube account after the divorce?
Under S.African Apartheid , only Whites had the vote .
Israeli settlers in the occupied West-Bank , can vote in Israeli elections but Palestinians can’t.
So Israel treats the West Bank as part of Israel ( for the Jewish settlers ) but an occupied territory for the Palestinians ( bingo - Apartheid )
Also West Bank settlers can go and live in Israel-proper , but West-bank Palestinians , can’t ( bingo - Apartheid )
An Arab woman in N.Israel can not marry an Arab , in the West-bank and settle , together , in N.Israel ; A Jewish woman can bring back a partner from the West-bank - if he is Jewish ( bingo - Apartheid )
So if I am staying in Canada and send a mail in ballot to the US, the US is committing apartheid against the Canadians?
The reason Israeli settlers can vote even if they reside in the West Bank is not because of their race but because they’re CITIZENS of Israel. An Arab Israeli living in Hebron could vote in an Israeli election because he’s a citizen. A Palestinian who does not have an Israeli citizenship is obviously not going to be able to vote in Israeli elections. That is not apartheid. That’s called citizenship rights. I can’t vote in France, even if I lived in a US embassy. They’re not discriminating against me, I’m just not their citizen.
It doesn’t treat the West Bank as part of Israel for settlers vs for Palestinians, it is rather that an Israeli citizen can still vote for their state despite living in the West Bank.
A Jewish woman could not marry a Jewish man in the West Bank and then bring him back to Israel unless that Jewish man was already a citizen. An Arab woman could not marry an Arab man in the West Bank unless they were both already citizens. That’s not limited to the West Bank though, that also applies in Lebanon, Syria and Iraq iirc. So again, that’s not apartheid (discrimination on race) but it’s discrimination based on citizenship status. Israeli≠Jewish.
@@tartarus1322 "So if I am staying in Canada and send a mail in ballot to the US, the US is committing apartheid against the Canadians?"
What did I just read?
How are you "staying" in Canada in this example?
Did you illegal move there and set up a little tin shack outpost?
Hasbara think tank
what book is destiny reading?
How to get the Israel conflict so wrong .
Scars of War, Wounds of Peace written by Shlomo Ben-Ami (Former Israeli Foreign Minister)
Ahh I saw this already on Box’s channel
What is with all the men painting their nails? I don’t understand.
We don’t give a fuck about your beauty standards for men. Policing what other men wear is Gay AF
What is the point of wearing different clothes, or different types of shoes? Do you have tattoos? Do you decorate your home with stuff? People like to alter things to make it their own style or make themselves more unique. Hoping that your comment is in good faith.
It's so we can identify the clowns.
@@user-zv2vm8bd8h We got an insecure baby over here! 👆
@@TheDienhartunique, just like everyone else doing it…
Palestine really needs it’s own Nelson Mandela.
Won't ever happen.
Great man theory of history is bad and you should feel bad for buying into it
@@ducknwater3016 nope. Mandela was a Christian. Fundamentally at odds with Palestinians.
@@TR13400you do know you can have the non terrorist anti apartheid part without needing to be christian right lmao??
Harder @@InsomniaSessionsyt
Rabean not rabin.
Destiny has been so annoyingly biased about this
and usually correct too
@@simonjaz1279 if you're a weirdo who likes hand waiving war crimes away sure
@@waggington sooo hamas supporters?
@@simonjaz1279 you're a baby
@@waggington y? because im right?
Another segment of destiny brushing off war crimes.
considering thats how the other side fights as well...yeah makes sense
@@simonjaz1279ah the good old well you do it so I can do it arguement. 😊
What other side? No mainstream political commentator goes around trying to talk down war crimes like he does.@@simonjaz1279
@@Mogorman87 War crimes are only war crimes if they arent on your side 🤣💀
@user-xr7fi6dy1w I'm meam your fine with ignoring hamas war crimes. So why are you mad at us for supposedly doing it 😂
I think that if you actually want peace in the Israel than you should impose Saudi rule upon them until the point that the population can be de-radicalized through education, in addition Israel will need to start destroying settlements slowly in order to give the Saudis more credibility in the form of an idea(remember its supposed to be planned) that their pressure on Israel actually achieves something(of course there will be strict oversight open to the western and Israel leaders to see exactly that it is not misused like in the case of UNRWA).
later after a period of 5-3 centuries or so the Palestinians will be able to hold elections in and if both the Saudis and Israel are semi confident that sentiment in the Palestinian attitudes have shifted from Jihad to talks.
it will take a lot of work to de-radicalize them from the UNRWA and PLO teaching which have been rampant for a few centuries already, in addition it will serve as cutting the Palestinians from the Iranian and their proxies influence on the Palestinians.
but there is one problem here and its that there is no way that Arab leaders will take this hands on approach because they want to be viewed favorably and as uninvolved in any affairs there that might be propagandized by Iranian Ayatollah backers to their detriment, and it most definitely wont happen under Netanyahu.
What is the book Destiny keeps referencing?
101 ways to brush off war crimes.
Scars of War, Wounds of Peace written by Shlomo Ben-Ami (Former Israeli Foreign Minister)
Alternative title ... The lion of zion VS the 2 wiki warriors
30:31 topkek diplomacy
Good grief.
Is LonerBox Cornish?
Couldn’t we go to one side of the conflict who claim they REALLLY just want a place to call their own, and send them to the uninhabited parts of North West territories in Canada? Let them cultivate the land however they like with modern day technological support.
Canada is woke enough and/or western enough to support either side.
i assume this wouldn't work as 1. the religious significance of where they are means they are not likely to leave and 2. that's still just kicking people out of their homes
The progressive vote is pretty regressive.
What’s the book
Inquest into Martyrdom
Does August drink a lot?
I make it a point not to trust dudes with black nail polish with any sort of political issue.
What book is Destiny reading?
Yeah, I wanna know, too 😬
According to another comment: Scars of War by Shlomo Ben Ami
@@mateozuniga8219
According to another comment here: Scars of War by Shlomo Ben Ami
Lonerbox calling the other guy bias towards israel is hilarious.
Really? You of all ppl?
At first, i actually believed he came with pure intentions, but that guy is pure full on pro palestine propagenda machine. Its pathetic
explain how he's full on pro palestine propaganda ?
@ni9274
Have you seen or heard his debates with destiny or saw his 2 videos about "travelingisrael"?
All he does is try (unsuccessfully 90% of the times) to find a reason to put s%#t on israel. Destiny corrects him every time but instead of saying: "ok. You right" and concede he just moves on to the next fake palestinian talking point, And just ignores everything thats being said.
Lets take the video he made about travelingIsrael, for example.
He didnt debunk nothing. Absolutly nothing. Yet he felt the urge to post 2 video aiming at him crying about "not posting sourcrs" or crying that israelies dont understand that "im for human rights and thats why i care abour lgbtq equally as i care ppl that throwing lgbtq ppl off the roof". Thats all he has about it.
Yet he insists on trying again and again...
Its laughable.
Not to mention the thousands of times where he completely ignores the heinous crimes committed by pallestinians throughout the years beyond the intifadas and the major wars.
Look, if after everytime you lose an argument you just move on to the next talking point and
I can't respect that kind of person
@ni9274
And lets not foget the way he say "zionists" every time like it some kind of a derogatory word.
He can easily say jews, israel or israelies, but he's making a point by using it like that. Like zionists are some kind of nazis.
@@hiphopotalsounds like you're crying. Your points are weak. Traveling Israel ignores arguments that are inconvenient
The two most data male libs on this issue
my boi mr box cant even keep eye contact digitally bruh
Which shlomo book is destiny reading?
54:20
Begin came to power 3 decades after the state of Israel was already created.
Begin did not murder Egyptians as a terrorist.
Begin who was from the Etsel, and Lehi, were considered illegitimate in the eyes of the majority of the Yishuv. They gained legitimacy very fast after Israel was born, but it took time. On the contrary Arafat, Baraghouti, Hamas, Tanzim, Shuada al aksa, TERROR, they are immensly popular with and have support for terror from almost all of their population. Or in other words, that shows the Arab palestinian population is in favour of terror and has no wish for peace or comprmise.
And that support of continuation of fighting exists also with the Arab Israelis. the Arab Israelis parties are all against the existance of Israel or have very Anti Israeli sentiments.
51:40
Yes. We did negotiations with Arafat, an archi terrorist. And looked what happened. Now you want us to repeat the mistake again? That is why its not going to happen again.
@13:00 if they have stayed! we don't know what would happen to them? really? TANTURA is your answer.
Everyone should watch the documentary called TANTURA its available here on yt
1. Many Arabs decided to stay and today they are 20% of Israeli citizens. So what you say is bullshit.
2. From the part of the movie I saw about Tantura, about half way through, all I saw were talks about rumors. Just a lot of editing and no evidence.
@@doodleridoo9493 tantura is a fraud and the guy that made it admitted it was false and made up
@compovi8461 no way they let them stay, simple reason, the Palestinians would be the majority. "Rumours" this is well documented, there are many testimonies from veterans about what they did. This movie is based on research that was banned and the researcher was persecuted and denied any academic recognition. Mf there many gravesites under most of occupied Palestinian beaches of massacred Palestinians. By the way the 20% you talking about are not treated as equal.
@@msayed25 Bro you are far to propagandized. Some points you make are valid, but you greatly exaggerate them.
Israel and Palestine have zero swag
Lonerbox is extremely bad faith and genuinely stupid when it comes to this issue
explain why ?
You're absolutely right
Palestine has the right to defend itself from settler colonialism.
You mean that the Jews did a decolonisation
Hey it’s the cute and funny guy
Hamas doesn't have the right to be terrorists.
European settlers aint gonna like this
@@CarvakaIsrael does? Lmao nice double standard bud
Who’s this Hasan clone lookalike?
#Destiny I enjoy your content and also wanted to say that you are a Fine Looking Man! A huge fan both to listen to & to observe! ☺🤤😘🙋♂I just had to say it. 😍😆🤓I look forward to more. 😄👍
destiny didnt know hamas was sunni ROFL
who does? No one cares its a loser religion right there with the rest of them
31:00