First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out-because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out-because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out-because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me-and there was no one left to speak for me. -Martin Niemöller
....then they came for the Left wing metropolitan millionaire luuvies - and the entire London media establishment mobilized in his defense. I think that's a more accurate ending.
Your point is well made and timely, after reading the replies to your comment, I see it happening. Most responses show stupidity and intolerence. Cheers
Its all a bit weird, utter denial of reality, people arguing against 1 + 1 = 2. AI will become consious and they will feel so confused how we ever were able to create them xD
Completely agree. As a condilatiob prize, Sunak and his cronies wanted to be talking about immigration. Instead they get this dumster fire in a sewage farm. Not the narrative they were hoping to set.
I mean the whole Lineker affair is directly related to the mess the country is in! That's the whole point of it! i.e. the impact of illegal mass immigration, hotels fully booked with Albanians at taxpayers expense, government spending on processing, community relations, local crime, organised crime, housing crisis, GP waiting lists, dentists waiting lists. These are all directly impacted by the illegal immigration/asylum seeker numbers. 90,000 asylum applicants last year, 160,000 on the waiting list, 130,000 illegal immigrants over the past 4 years. Or does this significant number of immigrants place no strain on social services?
Gary Linaker: “Sack Corbyn!” - No one even bats and eye Gary Linaker: “The language the government is using resembles that of 1930s Germany” -Tories have the people they placed into the BBC sack Gary Linaker…
It's true. The time & energy the Right Wing media spend talking about groups like Trans or refugees is extraordinary. Most people will see meet 1 or 2 trans people in their entire life. Meanwhile they have more food banks opening, more shops closing and NHS facing staff recruitment crisis, lack of housing and so on. It's done on purpose and it should be called out on how much it wastes people's time from talking things that will improve their health and living standards.
Not refugees though, young fit single illegal immigrant men with no paperwork, so no history. Told to ditch papers by smugglers.....how many have you taken into your home???
@@Roomy-g8r Is that right? All refugees are single men? Good we need people to plant, tend and pick fruit and vegetables. Get them working after all, it's what they want to do. Unlike the cannabis smoking, computer gaming, social security scrounging Brits who just want to stay at home and rob decent tax-paying citizens.
@@no-oneinparticular7264h, so you have decided that it is impossible for a young, fit, single man to be a refugee. Very interesting way you have to define refugees. Of course it is well known that in 1930s Germany or Soviet Union or in late 1970s Cambodia the brutal dictators in charge had a policy that young, fit, single men should never, ever be harassed, beaten, falsely detained or imprisoned or executed - right? Which of course is why if you were in charge of immigration for your country in the 30s you would have refused to let in any young, fit, single men from Germany or the Soviet Union applying as refugees, right? And the same is true of brutal dictators or local drug lords or militia group leaders today right? They all have polices to never bother young, fit, single men, right?
If the BBC are meant to be impartial then why are their Director and Chairman chosen by the PM? The monarch is being to be non-political, give the job of appointing BBC heads to them instead.
The monarch is not non-political. The late Queen was political when it suited her, such as when she wanted to exempt herself from inheritance tax and discrimination legislation that would prevent her from having a predominantly white Royal household. They’re also extremely wealthy and not representative of the interests of the general population. The director and chairman should be chosen by a vote from the license payers they are supposed to represent, in my view.
@@joannelewis3390 That's right ...If the Privileged Elite love the BBC that much let them pay for it -and stop expecting the rest of us to subsidise them.
Ha wasn't suspended for his comment, per se. The Beeb has to maintain an impression of impartiality. He was suspended for jeopardising that impartiality. Personally I can't stand Lineker, Walkers crisps or football.
You can refer to it just don't compare it to the British governments rhetoric and action on trying to stop 10s of thousands of foreign men turning up on britains shores every year. Jews were fleeing Germany, these foreign men are doing the opposite to that. They're breaking in our country.
Fascism is like domestic abuse... we all (perps and victims alike) just want to move on and pretend it never happened. But, unfortunately, it only stops when you bring attention to it.
@@cardroid8615 Honestly, I don't know if the majority are young men who are just seeking work or are genuine asylum seekers. The rhetoric from the government doesn't help with the truth. But I hardly think that they actually know because the rate of processing under Braverman has slowed to a trickle. It's almost like the Home Office doesn't want to put the effort in and has resigned to hosting them for years at the tax payers expense. Smacks of laziness.
Absolutely right of Dan to make the comparison between the topic of refugees and the conversation around trans people. It's using moral panic as a distraction to the important issues, a strange hybrid of incitement and anaesthesia.
@@orcencart7215 I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here but Gary Lineker is far from being a simpleton 'with a talent for kicking a football'. The point I was making was that Dan Snow, who agreed with the point that Lineker was making, is definitely a historian of some standing. Maybe Lineker would have reached such lofty academic heights if it wasn't for the fact that, as one teacher put it, he "concentrates too much on football". He could have made it as a first class cricketer as well. More importantly, I think his career in broadcasting has clearly demonstrated his obvious intellectual ability.
The migrants are not coming for your job Dan, or work on Times Radio. They coming for ours, truck drivers, warehouse workers and criminal gangs. We have enough of those.
@@OptimisticHominid So, Albanian jonny, not his real name, pays a fortune to Tirana gangsters to push beds around St Thomas hospital? Tell me another one.
@@Tayloradrift Oh dear, you're either making stuff up or you're read it in a right-wing newspaper who's made it up. Your statement is completely wrong. I've checked with the General Medical Council (GMC), the organisation responsible for investigating doctors & striking them off. According to the GMC, 69% of doctors who are struck off were trained abroad. The number of doctors struck off is ridiculously low. For example, in 2014, only 119 were struck off out of a total number of 358,632 doctors in the workforce. That's 0.03%. So the number of foreign doctor struck off is 69% of 119, which is 82. So 82 foreign-trained doctors were struck off, but how many foreign-trained doctors work in the UK? According to the GMC, approximately 230,000. So you're saying that 82 is 75% of 230,000? You need to go learn some basics maths. Alternatively, stop believing what the media tells you & learn to research the facts. Most of the doctors struck off come from India, Nigeria & Pakistan, in that order. Since Brexit, the NHS has lost over 4,000 doctors trained in the EU. Not only that, more doctors are leaving the NHS many due to burnout. Last year 3,229 doctors resigned from the NHS. Additionally the British Medical Journal (BMJ) surveyed junior doctors: 40% plans on leaving the NHS in the next 12 months. 33% are actively looking for work in another country, planning to go to Australia (42%), New Zealand (20%), the Middle East (9%), Canada & Europe, excluding the UK (9%) & the US (5%). 83% said poor pay & dire working conditions were the reason for planning to leave. These departures come at a time when we are fully training even less doctors than before. It is no longer an attractive preposition for bright people to become doctors in the UK. Although the number of doctors starting training has increased by 6% since 2019, only 37% continue to work as doctors after the foundation years. In addition, others are dropping out early in their careers. For example, in 2011, 74% of recently-trained doctors planned to stay in the NHS. This figure dropped to 57.4 in 2019, & is still dropping. Data also shows that there's a year-on-year decline in how prepared graduate doctors feel in their foundation years. Basically the NHS is becoming a more hostile working environment, The job of a doctor has always been hard, but at least you were rewarded. For the past 12 years, conditions have been getting worse, the rewards are no longer there & doctors feel there's little point in working their fingers to the bone & suffering burnout for little compensation. As a result we need doctors who trained abroad to pug the gap. I don't know about you, but if I have the choice between having a 0.03% chance of my doctor being struck off compared to having no doctor at all, guess which I'll go for.
For your information unknown ' Asylum ' individuals shipped in their hundreds into small towns and villages causes the local community to become understandably discombobulated.. !
The main problem is that Gary Linacre Tweeted a true statement in contrast to Suella Braverman's legally invalid rhetoric. In the 1930s Braverman like statements were common in Germany. By 1940, after the fall of France, Adolf Eichmann proposed sending unwanted people, in this case Jews, to Madagascar, a French Colonial island.
also, in 1938, 17 000 'undesirable' Jews of non-German origins (mainly Polish) were stripped of there citizenship and deported by Germany...if that's not reminiscent of what Suella is trying to do, I don't know what is.
@@dibdab101 Illegal immigration has consequences. The left wing politicians, media and activists that encourage, assist or condone illegal immigration are responsible for all the suffering and tragedies that happen because of it.
@@Tayloradrift can you characterise who is 'illegal', because by definition anyone reaching the English waters and claiming asylum status is legal.... So who are the illegal ones?
@@Tayloradrift Well... From my humble german perspective, you should be really careful not to move in a very wrong direction. And thats not "only" about freedom of press and speech.
@@n.k.8530 Some acknowledgement from the Left regarding criminals establishing themselves all over Europe and coming up with a credible alternative would go a long way to ease tensions.
@@Tayloradrift Yes, you read that correctly. The subsequent pretend-outrage proved Lineker correct. Britain does not like free speech and expressing opinions.
@Grets Garbo He was pointing out that what was happening in Germany in the mid-thirties in terms of the vile language used by the British government, is also now happening in Britain. Are you asleep?
Fantastic, and well put. To think that even as this distraction was playing out, the BBC were playing the series on radio 4 about the rise of the Nazis... What a joke to have ministers spouting tripe, and well done Lineker for calling out the parallels.
I would really like Mr Snow explain his claims that the United States, Hungry, Indonesia have back sliced democratically. All these countries have fair elections as far as I am aware.
Wrong, you should inform yourself better about Russian interference in the 2016 election and the far-right insurrection over non-existent “voter fraud” that Trump incited.
They do not have fair elections, and neither does the UK, with a FPTP electoral system and a press that is 80% owned and dominated by the right and foreign billionaires. That might be democracy to you, but not to many.
So we are all told every year we have to remember the lessons from 'the' holocaust and then when someone takes a lesson and then highlights government and media language about particular groups of people, asylum seekers [but in fact mainly about Muslims] who have had their countries bombed in multiple places for decades by British and AMerican governments and had a whole load of domestic policies and laws targetted specifically at 'them', we are told "Don't make comparisons with what led to the holocaust" So they need to make their minds up.
Something rotten in the state of England. Not even Assange case can be discussed from different perspectives and the McCanns, former suspects in the Madeleine case cannot be criticized.
I sick of hearing people who have got loads of money, saying Lineker was right the government should give away more of the country's money to immigrants, let theses people give their own money first if they think that strongly about it.
The idea that a sports presenter freelancer has to have all his political views censored out of work and that a government can put pressure on a broadcaster to silence him in his private life is utterly idiotic and Orwellian. They have also a whole load of employees, hierarchy and presenters, even in the current affairs section with overt political views, financial interests, activities and affiliations. And they use the 'no-one can make a comparison with Jews' card to silence everyone and cheapen the blood of other oppressed, persecuted and massacred peoples, usually the Muslims.
Except for the situation in China, you will find that when Muslims are being massacred, it is done by other Muslims in the VAST majority of case. And when Christians are massacred, you will find it is done by Muslims in the VAST majority of cases. When Jews are massacred, you will also find that it is done by Muslims in the VAST majority of cases. Interesting that you should talk about Muslims, where they are completely irrelevant to the discussion here.
@@brendanukveteran2360 The comments are obviously from the same class of people. Dan Snow is ignoring the bleeding obvious, which is very typical of the chattering classes.
You are deliberately missing the point - you have been manipulated into regarding other human beings as having less worth than you - and that is the whole point...you are acting no different to those in 1930's Germany: THEY are different..THEY are unworthy of compassion..THEY are BAD...they MUST BE STOPPED....of course you don't see yourself in that way, you think most people agree with you and anyone who doesn't....is also BAD.
The actions are more akin to the British policy of interning tens of thousands of Jews on the Isle of Man during WW2 and deporting many thousands on boats, some of which were sunk by the Germans. So that was probably a better direct comparison rather than 1930s Germany whose intention was not to intern/deport but to exterminate.
But yes go look at early Goebbels speeches , as he said evil starts of slow and gradually builds up. The point is we can’t let this develop to get that bad
Every British has got a wright to say something against government and if you can answer to comment so do it or not be shut up, and now we can call Gary Man of The Day>>>>>>
How would publishing Gary's contact have any impact on his main point that there is no point learning about the rise of fascism if modern day parallels can never be discussed? Or that there are some parallels but how close they are might be overegged?
@@Stalker-nv7gi oh so you read the title of the video and based your comment off that rather than watching the video? Easily done I'm guilty of that to sometimes but the video is worth watching as it's a more balanced and less partisan take on the controversy than most people are making.
A very good interview and yes, clarified the language and Government rhetoric that has caused very unpleasant attitudes towards refugees and asylum seekers. As criminals and enemies of the people. Our government has a nasty attitude toward favouring a limited number of very right wing voters.
It was nothing to do with history and everything to do with Beeb impartiality and implied & expressed terms and conditions in employment law. E.g. all military personnel serve with a contract term of not communicating with the press or publishing anything that compromises the good name or effectiveness of the military. Contract law - not difficult.
My comment was about Dan snow not about anything else. I think hes a well educated bloke who has a grasp on history if a person has the ability to look backwards in a subjected way he then has an understanding of current problems.
@@janewilkin1984 A lovely comment and a very valuable point. To know our present we have to accept and understand our collective past. The mistakes of today are written in our yesterday's
Your 'mortgage payment' is paid by your job Dan and in towns and cities where people are fighting over low paid jobs cheap, illegal workers cause big problems as does the pressure on housing and as you also mention 'childcare' and schools. Your toff arrogance that poor people are just being racist rather than voicing real challenges just shows how out of touch you are. I see so many people leaping on this bandwagon that have absolutely experience of what is happening and feel entitled to 'other' the working class.
@@waldorfmcvitty4854 government wants stop criminal gangs shipping illegals putting many at risk at drowning , also stop the criminals that are hiding amongst the illegal immigrants, yes they are many so let's compare that to nazis in the 30's , stealing Jewish housing, businesses, killing the Jewish people , creating extermination camps, using those in camps for experimentation , using children , twins , mentally handicapped to name a few , create jewish ghetto etc ! 🤔 so has our government done any of those horrible crimes. To not like the government is one thing to claim this government is behaving like nazis is an insult and mockery to the jewish / romany people etc who suffered before / during and after the war !
If the BBC didn't have a far left problem we wouldn't be worrying about Individual presenters recording opinions. I like Linaker . It's a shame that the BBC's political integrity is suddenly being tested on the shoulders of a great football presenter. I don't look to the BBC for news anyway now. I can guess what a 14 year old socioogy student from 1981 would think so I don't need to watch . I was one .
Well said Dan Snow, if the Home Office Minister disagrees with Gary Lineker then Suella Braverman should sue his for libel, he's a millionaire he can afford it and what he said was factually correct.
@jenny hubbock This discussion is not about refugees and migrants, it is about Suella Braverman's reaction to them and whether Gary Lineker is accurate in finding parallels in her speeches and those of 1930's Germany.
@jenny hubbock The speeches made by Germans in the 1930s led to WW2 and the holocaust, if I had the power to do something I would sack Suella Braverman
Thanks goodness that there are so many smart people in media sniff out the Tories motive to control people's opinion by hiding behind impartiality while infact the director and chairman are carry out Tories plan.
To suggest that Gary Lineker thought his statement through in as much details as Dan Snow has is laughable….Gary Lineker isn’t exactly a serious intellectual…..it’s all about virtue signalling, not intellect…..
How can you approve of Dan Snow and dish GL when he confirmed that from a historical perspective, GL was correct. It seems very clear that you are signalling something - but it isn't all that clear what it is....
@@orcencart7215 Yes and there'll be gangs of unruly robots hanging around outside chip shops swilling silicon lubricant from cans and tick boxes with ' I AM a robot ' when shopping online....
@@orcencart7215 Yes definitely.Apparently a rogue AI stole all the plus + buttons from a consignment of calculators and the police said it was a mystery and that nothing adds up for some reason ? Just the beginning....
We have to find 1.2 million employees somewhere, may as well start with them, no one else is volunteering, unless you fancy taking on a couple of extra jobs.
Well dne Dan. As a subscriber to his History Hit channel, I see this sort of clear perspective regularly. We could really do with more people like Mr Snow.
Simple political snobbery. How dare a working class ex footballer air a political view whilst portillo and other ex Oxford and Cambridge BBC contributors regularly break the guidelines without censure. Should BBC comedians now stop ripping the government under the guise of comedy. Of this came before a court of law the BBC would be laughed out of court and Lineker could sue them
@@darrenbellenger1 no. Keep the news and political division within the guidelines, as it should be. How many BBC presenters do work for charities? Are they to stay quiet if government policy affects the charity views? Appears me common sense has gone out of the window and that can only be lain at the door of BBC management
@@spartacusforlife1508 Although one has to consider what would have happened if Gary Lineker supported the new proposed law. Would he have been treated like Israel Folau was?
The point is that Linneker is a grossly overpaid person on the tax-funded national broadcaster that is supposed to be politically neutral. The political posturing by the news and current affairs people is much worse and more serious than a that of a footballer sounding off BUT Linneker is too prominent and too well paid at public expense and so, arguably, should come under the same restrictions. Keep your politics to yourself while you are paid staff of the BBC (as distinct from being an interviewee.) If Linneker worked for Times Radio, nobody would be bothered. Apparently, Linneker sounded off previously about sacking Corbyn. Same thing applies. The BBC should have stepped in to stop him. Linneker is not being shut up. If he resigned from the BBC, Channel 4 and LBC would interview him daily.
Either it's OK - and it appeared to be when Clarkson, Neil & Sugar did it - or it isn't. Rule for one, rule for all. How much they get paid is totally irrelevant. How's the Neva looking?
Why didn’t this logic apply to the political comments made by freelancers Lord Sugar and Andrew Neill when they were making anti-Labour comments on social media, then?
What Lineker said was foolish. But living in a free society means having the right to think and say foolish things. Of course this doesn't sound like a very marvellous right. Yet if you think about it, the right to be wrong is actually the foundation of all our rights.
NOT when you work for a company and sign a contract for impartiality with them, you don't. He should be sacked. And if he wants free speech then he should go and work for gb news where there is no impartiality rules
@@cardroid8615 He didn't say it at work or on the air. What if he had said it to strangers on a tube platform? Or published it in a book? Does the BBC own his soul and mind 24 hours a day? You can't sign away your human rights by agreeing to work somewhere.
Well done Dan. As much as I'm happy that you said what you said, I'm very sad that so many missed the point in the first place. It's not very complicated but, they tried to make it so.
It would be interesting to see if Dan would be willing to take an undocumented migrant who entered the country illegally into his home and put them into a bedroom next to his wife and children.
@@Tayloradrift very unlikely Chris, fools like them will never put themselves or family members at risk but it’s ok for us paupers to be forced to endure all this💩
He is allowed to say want he wants where do you live ? I want to re house a little boat of homeless young men who would like to stay in your spare bedrooms.
Both the BBC and Gary would benefit from some honest self-acknowledgement but we humans are adverse to do that. As Benjamin Franklin said; "How few there are who have courage enough to own their faults, or resolution enough to mend them." There are alot of perfect omniscient people out there...........on all sides. Very few neutral, factual, objective comments.
I would highlight the words immigrant invasion ! And hundreds of millions coming ! I’ve only got a undergraduate history degree. But this is obvious he is right 100%
Because we signed the 1951 Refugee Convention, advocated for by none other than Winston Churchill. Perhaps you should watch Dan Snow more and actually learn some history
@@davidmurphy7332 Refugees aren't the problem and never have been, it's economic migrants and criminal gangs exploiting these conventions that are the problem! Coastal France isn't a war zone in case you haven't noticed!?!
@@davidmurphy7332 We signed a treaty to enter the European Community. And repealed the European Community Act, 1972. We can do the same with any other treaty which infringes our national sovereignty.
it is as much the responsibility of the UK as it is any other country who signed up to the 1951 Refugee Convention. Why does the UK always try to absolve itself of its responsibilities??? We are already doing a lot less than a lot of countries in Europe.
@@dibdab101 you have just proven yourself to be the Muppet because you didn't even listen to what he said did you, he qouted "historians" but never named them or what they said. Goodnight.
@@pbysome you are right he didn't name them, fair enough, but hey, it's not like they haven't been on the news in the last few days. If it helps, I suggest you listen to Joan Salter, who was a Jewish girl in Germany in the 1930s and is a holocaust survivor. She agrees wholeheartedly with what Lineker tweeted, and as she was actually there, I'm inclined to believe her. Aren't you? Sweet dreams.
@@dibdab101 I like to hear verifiable facts instead of emotive opinions and I don't see how objecting to hoards of young men entering illegally is anyway akin to subjugating and murdering you're own citizens but hey that's just me. Also what is a "clever historian" isn't history verifiable fact or simple conjecture? Why would "clever" be necessary but to attempt to add kudos to his assertions?.
Anyone who knows the history of Germany in the thirties knows full well that the language used by the German government then was very similar to the language used by the British government today. Even yesterday, only right wing news outlets we permitted to accompany Braverman to Ruanda, while the BBC were not. Classic! Only the right-wing perspective is wanted. Britons are, by and large, pretty apathetic. Fascism comes in slowly, gradually, piece by piece, as your friend, and on your side.
We are backsliding back into authoritarianism as Dan Snow has alluded to. The many countries and strong men populism has grown significantly across Europe, North America and Asia. I think although people can challenge me is that communities since the 2008 and even before that have seen their standard of living and opportunities disappear why income inequality has grown particularly the last 20 years. Kids are now worse off than their parents and grandparents. Even before that it was increasing. The social contract has disappeared. Governments have failed many people and many institutions they hold dear especially public services. Now some people now see and blame minorities and people who have the lowest voice in society. Its fair game to them. People want to blame someone for their woes. History usually repeats its itself especially if we ignore the warning signs. Could be that we've always been d*ckheads and social media has just exposed it. Just a thought.
“It’s less likely to affect your life than the cost of child care” I don’t have kids, but I used to rent accommodation in London until it became too expensive & I had to move away.
@@gareth2736 LOL! Generally, my observation is that most of these arguments are "gut instincts" and all fear based. And as we all know, if a person gets scared, they start seeing the enemy everywhere...
@@gareth2736 You're implying that people with lower income and skills aren't important enough to earn protection from the government that the poorest and most vulnerable people in a nation state should be the most affected by market forces and shouldn't moan about it. Let me guess...you voted Remain and still can't quite figure out why Brexit happened... These people have votes and if their voices aren't acknowledged, theyy'll keep voting until they are. it's up to people like you how extreme that vote has to become.
@@reallyratherwouldnt do you think he was priced out of the market by immigrants who had just crossed the channel no matter how uneducated or unskilled you believe him to be? Something that the OP hasn't self described at all so is just your rather condescending assumption at the moment! ***edit*** realise you are actually the OP. Do you consider yourself unskilled or uneducated?
Snow is gaslighting. Not a patch on his dad. The Lineker issue is about a very serious breach of contract. Like the armed services, you sign on to a contract which says you cannot go around saying whatever you fancy. If you want to do that, you leave your employer. Easy.
If you look back at history ,It can be read in many different ways and can be picked at and shown how you wish it to be shown ?. But a lot of these opinions by people like Lineker & Dan Snow who don"t live in the real world and are protected in their small glass bubbles don"t understand the problems of ordinary people struggling on small wages who search for N.H.S. medical or Dental care ,housing and school problems ,while the migrants are still filling the U.K. when they should have taken refuge in the 1st safe country reached in the E.U. - not all searching out the U.K. for whatever reason .
I just wonder if those outraged by the BBC's suppression of free speech would be quite so outraged if Lineker had expressed support for the deportation policy, or indeed Brexit or some other issue. For far too many people, it seems that blatant bias is acceptable in the publicly funded BBC, indeed even applauded, just so long as the presenter is considered to be biased in the correct way. As his dispute with HMRC tends to suggest, Gary Lineker seems less than keen to put his money where his mouth is. Also, with a growing obesity crisis amongst young people, I don't believe that a lucrative long-term sponsorship deal is a particularly good look, even for someone as clearly sainted as Gary Lineker. By the way, I support the real Left, not Linekar's half-baked, ersatz version of it.
They are others though, should we allow everybody to come across the border? Even British citizens need to show passports when returning to these shores. Every country in the world has borders otherwise they aren't countries. Hungary is very democratic they just voted the way you don't like. Armed insurrection? You have seen the suppressed video haven't you? So biased , how could he hope to be taken seriously.
Gary never said anything about Nazi's, he was on about language being used in the early 30's in Germany trying to blame ethnic groups on the mistakes of the elite rulers of Europe who went to war in 1914 over the arms race and imperial conquest
Dan is wrong. The problem isn’t what Gary Lineker said. The problem is that he gave his personal opinion on a contentious public issue outside of an editorial venue. The BBC is supposed to be an impartial source of information. Journalists have a responsibility to not present their personal opinions in public. This is nothing like 1930’s Germany because the goal was to preserve the impartial integrity of the BBC. Gary’s behavior undermined it. Gary’s behavior would move the ANNC to be more like Fox News and would help undermine democracy, which Dan says he wants to protect.
Lineker isn't a journalist. The BBC social media rules specifically state that non-news staff such as sports presenters are not held to the same impartiality rules as news journalists.
Gary Lineker is not a journalist. Andrew Neil still is a journalist and part-owner of The Spectator that favours the Tories. And Andrew Neill made sometimes off colour political statements on Twitter. Not a peep out of the BBC. More than anything, we need the BBC to be trustworthy and impartial. Where Lineker was concerned they were neither trustworthy nor impartial.
But George, Lineker isn't a BBC journalist, he's a sports pundit. I get your point when it comes to journalists, but for non-news presenters? This isn't going to move BBC News towards Fox News, any more than Jack Dee from I'm Sorry I Haven't A Clue is going to. People have enough brains to understand the difference between a news journalist and a sports pundit.
Wasn’t a problem when Lord Sugar was telling people not to vote for Corbyn or when Andrew Neill was Tweeting a barrage of far-right political comments, so I’m going to call BS on that. The “problem” from the perspective of the Tory-appointed BBC leadership was that Linekar was making a political comment that was critical of the Tories.
Impartial integrity of the BBC? Don't make me laugh. The Beeb's reputation for that disappeared with the appointment of prominent Tory donors and supporters in the top jobs. And they're doing those jobs by stamping out dissent in the ranks. Or they were until they picked on Lineker.
@Alli P It was a wry observation on Times Radio's refusal to address the core of the issue, that being BBC Impartiality, NOT the rights and wrongs of a Government policy.
@@tonykelpie Labour councillors in Places like Rochdale, Rotherham and Telford trying to silence people concerned about migrant men abusing white schoolgirls?
I find it truly astonishing that so many people, are getting so upset, about what someone they have never met, said on a social media platform. Is there so little happening in the country that this is all there is to debate about?
they're not upset about what he said.. he can say what he likes, providing he isn't funded by tax payers money by mandatory tax... and claiming to be impartial.
Its because no one else in the MSM is challenging the Tory narrative and they can't stand being called out in public they wanted him silenced and when that wasn't going to happen they wanted him sacked. As well as being a disgusting show pony it won't work, Braveman has already been called out by a holocaust survivor for her use of language Lest we forget the sacrifices of everyone to defeat fascism or the millions killed in being othered dehumanised and demonised as not human These are not boats there people
Well, Gary Linekar is probably the highest publically funded person in the country, after the Royal Family. Just think about that. And the BBC’s Charter is founded on its supposed political neutrality. So yes, it is a story.
@@joecater894 What you said doesn't make sense, the government and all it's MPs' are funded with taxpayers money, by mandatory tax, but you seem to have no problem with their opinion, why not? Gary Lineker has never claimed to be impartial, he is a football commentator, he is not a journalist so does not have to be impartial in his private life. Are you impartial at work but not in your private life? Same thing here, we all have to be careful in our language and opinions at work, but can say whatever we wish to in the sanctity of our own homes. Unless, of course, we are saying something that you, or the government do not like. Thought police anyone?
I appreciate this perspective. I support free speech very much and he should be free to say what he wants but there will always be consequences to speech and employment. I will say though that fear of Islam is a pretty rational fear to have because some of these cultures are really not compatible with western liberal values and have killed millions in their name.
Jug eared Lineker should limit his attention to voicing his uneducated comments re football and how tasty crisps are. To criticise a policy that responds to the British public voicing their concerns re the alarming influx of ILLEGAL immigrants is beyond the pale. A while ago, Lineker cr@pped on the pitch against Ireland and now he seems intent on repeating the act directly on the British public!
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out-because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out-because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out-because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me-and there was no one left to speak for me.
-Martin Niemöller
They came for Biological Women and Lineker did not speak out - Because he doesn't give a toss !
...then they came for the modern slaves who built Qatar World cup but he profited from them.
....then they came for the Left wing metropolitan millionaire luuvies - and the entire London media establishment mobilized in his defense. I think that's a more accurate ending.
@jenny hubbock You are a fool if that counts as "Virtue Signalling" to you.
Your point is well made and timely, after reading the replies to your comment, I see it happening. Most responses show stupidity and intolerence. Cheers
"Clever historians" = "actual historians", or, as they are also known "historians" (as opposed to politicians whingeing it).
I wonder what Starkey would say to this.
@Bethan P
That's right - Only his Mother could love Dan Snow !
Or some idiot who wrote a badly sourced website that has to use the word "truth" in the title
Its all a bit weird, utter denial of reality, people arguing against 1 + 1 = 2.
AI will become consious and they will feel so confused how we ever were able to create them xD
While everyone is talking about Mr Lineker, people are not talking about the mess the country is in. Neat trick if you fall for it.
Could not agree more
Completely agree. As a condilatiob prize, Sunak and his cronies wanted to be talking about immigration. Instead they get this dumster fire in a sewage farm. Not the narrative they were hoping to set.
Damian Leah
That's right - It's called Critical Race Theory, or what used to be known as Divide and Rule !
I mean the whole Lineker affair is directly related to the mess the country is in! That's the whole point of it! i.e. the impact of illegal mass immigration, hotels fully booked with Albanians at taxpayers expense, government spending on processing, community relations, local crime, organised crime, housing crisis, GP waiting lists, dentists waiting lists. These are all directly impacted by the illegal immigration/asylum seeker numbers. 90,000 asylum applicants last year, 160,000 on the waiting list, 130,000 illegal immigrants over the past 4 years. Or does this significant number of immigrants place no strain on social services?
@@benedictearlson9044 The gas prices are high enough as it is, so I suggest we don't follow Hitler's footsteps by persecuting the minorities
Gary Linaker: “Sack Corbyn!”
- No one even bats and eye
Gary Linaker: “The language the government is using resembles that of 1930s Germany”
-Tories have the people they placed into the BBC sack Gary Linaker…
Everyone, "it is spelt Lineker". It is even right there underneath the video itself.
Even Corbyn said it was wrong way to handle it.
@@calibrazxr750 thanks. Way to miss the point of this video 🤦
@@kwanman5146 Corbyn is a top bloke. Morally consistent.
@@SuperStella1111 and an anti-Semite?
To be fair to Lineker - He didn't get his job just because of who his dad is .
ha ha
Well said,
He looks all White - but his dad was Black (The Who)
Dan Snow,,, MBE,?????
Is what he's saying wrong? I don't think the Tories come out well when it comes to nepotism either. The Lawsons, Rees Moggs, Johnsons for a start.
Well said, Dan Snow.
@jenny hubbock But he is still entitled to his opinion and free speech, as you are to yours.
What’s going on, here? Reasoned, intelligent, informed, non-biased commentary. Whatever next?
Where???
He's a liar.
It's true. The time & energy the Right Wing media spend talking about groups like Trans or refugees is extraordinary. Most people will see meet 1 or 2 trans people in their entire life. Meanwhile they have more food banks opening, more shops closing and NHS facing staff recruitment crisis, lack of housing and so on. It's done on purpose and it should be called out on how much it wastes people's time from talking things that will improve their health and living standards.
Not refugees though, young fit single illegal immigrant men with no paperwork, so no history. Told to ditch papers by smugglers.....how many have you taken into your home???
@no-one in particular got it in one mate !!!
@@Roomy-g8r Is that right? All refugees are single men? Good we need people to plant, tend and pick fruit and vegetables. Get them working after all, it's what they want to do. Unlike the cannabis smoking, computer gaming, social security scrounging Brits who just want to stay at home and rob decent tax-paying citizens.
@@no-oneinparticular7264h, so you have decided that it is impossible for a young, fit,
single man to be a refugee.
Very interesting way you have to define refugees.
Of course it is well known that in 1930s Germany or Soviet Union
or in late 1970s Cambodia the brutal dictators in charge
had a policy that young, fit, single men should never, ever be harassed,
beaten, falsely detained or imprisoned or executed - right?
Which of course is why if you were in charge of immigration for your country in the 30s
you would have refused to let in any young, fit, single men from Germany or the Soviet Union
applying as refugees, right?
And the same is true of brutal dictators or local drug lords or
militia group leaders today right?
They all have polices to never bother young, fit, single men, right?
@@no-oneinparticular7264 💯
If the BBC are meant to be impartial then why are their Director and Chairman chosen by the PM?
The monarch is being to be non-political, give the job of appointing BBC heads to them instead.
The monarch is not non-political. The late Queen was political when it suited her, such as when she wanted to exempt herself from inheritance tax and discrimination legislation that would prevent her from having a predominantly white Royal household. They’re also extremely wealthy and not representative of the interests of the general population. The director and chairman should be chosen by a vote from the license payers they are supposed to represent, in my view.
20quid.
I've got a better idea - Why don't we scrap the BBC altogether, and save £5 billion quid a year .
I stopped paying out for that I'd rather watch Netflix
@@joannelewis3390
That's right ...If the Privileged Elite love the BBC that much let them pay for it -and stop expecting the rest of us to subsidise them.
@@plebius she didn't show much support for the SNP.
Immediately sacking someone who disagrees with the government would be expected in 1930s Germany AND, as it turns out, 2023 UK.
Ha wasn't suspended for his comment, per se. The Beeb has to maintain an impression of impartiality. He was suspended for jeopardising that impartiality.
Personally I can't stand Lineker, Walkers crisps or football.
That was almost clever what would the pundit in the 30s compare the national socialist party too?
It's because it was such an outrageous comment the same thing Disney did with gina carano
TT 321
If you seriously imagine the Nazis just sacked anyone who disagreed - You're clearly away with the fairies !
@@gordonclifton2694 was only suspended after government pressure
We say "never again" but are never allowed to refer to it? Very good point that you've made.
You can refer to it just don't compare it to the British governments rhetoric and action on trying to stop 10s of thousands of foreign men turning up on britains shores every year. Jews were fleeing Germany, these foreign men are doing the opposite to that. They're breaking in our country.
Fascism is like domestic abuse... we all (perps and victims alike) just want to move on and pretend it never happened. But, unfortunately, it only stops when you bring attention to it.
@@cardroid8615 Honestly, I don't know if the majority are young men who are just seeking work or are genuine asylum seekers.
The rhetoric from the government doesn't help with the truth. But I hardly think that they actually know because the rate of processing under Braverman has slowed to a trickle. It's almost like the Home Office doesn't want to put the effort in and has resigned to hosting them for years at the tax payers expense. Smacks of laziness.
Absolutely right of Dan to make the comparison between the topic of refugees and the conversation around trans people. It's using moral panic as a distraction to the important issues, a strange hybrid of incitement and anaesthesia.
How refreshing to hear solid common sense based on a knowledge of history. Well said Dan, a chip of the old mans block.
He’s an utter berk. Nepotism, not ability, got him the gig.
@@lordluvvaduck848 He graduated from Baliol College, Oxford with a first class degree in Modern History.
@@lordluvvaduck848in other words you disagree with him?
@@ianguessed
Whereas Lineker is just a simpleton born with a talent for kicking a football.
@@orcencart7215 I'm not sure what point you're trying to make here but Gary Lineker is far from being a simpleton 'with a talent for kicking a football'. The point I was making was that Dan Snow, who agreed with the point that Lineker was making, is definitely a historian of some standing. Maybe Lineker would have reached such lofty academic heights if it wasn't for the fact that, as one teacher put it, he "concentrates too much on football". He could have made it as a first class cricketer as well. More importantly, I think his career in broadcasting has clearly demonstrated his obvious intellectual ability.
As a 62 year old Brit, I find Mr. Snow and Mr. Lineker make good points.
As an immigrant I find them smug and out of touch
Why do we have to even hear their political opinions. Lineker should stick to football and Snow to history.
I wonder how Dan feels about having a sibling 44 years younger than him...
Why are all the decent people outside politics? Denigration of the role by right wing press? Well in Garry and Dan
Is a Tax dodger a decent person?
@@Tayloradrift
That's unfair - Gary Lineker has had to suffer a lifetime of Racial Abuse because of his skin colour !
The migrants are not coming for your job Dan, or work on Times Radio. They coming for ours, truck drivers, warehouse workers and criminal gangs. We have enough of those.
They're also coming to work in the NHS & social care, 2 areas where dire shortages are ruining & ending people's lives.
@@angelaburrow8114 Medecins sans Frontiere? I seriously doubt they come by dinghy.
@@OptimisticHominid So, Albanian jonny, not his real name, pays a fortune to Tirana gangsters to push beds around St Thomas hospital? Tell me another one.
@@angelaburrow8114 You mean working in the NHS as blag doctors and nurses? Interesting fact: 75% of foreign doctors are struck off!
@@Tayloradrift Oh dear, you're either making stuff up or you're read it in a right-wing newspaper who's made it up.
Your statement is completely wrong. I've checked with the General Medical Council (GMC), the organisation responsible for investigating doctors & striking them off. According to the GMC, 69% of doctors who are struck off were trained abroad. The number of doctors struck off is ridiculously low. For example, in 2014, only 119 were struck off out of a total number of 358,632 doctors in the workforce. That's 0.03%. So the number of foreign doctor struck off is 69% of 119, which is 82.
So 82 foreign-trained doctors were struck off, but how many foreign-trained doctors work in the UK? According to the GMC, approximately 230,000. So you're saying that 82 is 75% of 230,000? You need to go learn some basics maths. Alternatively, stop believing what the media tells you & learn to research the facts.
Most of the doctors struck off come from India, Nigeria & Pakistan, in that order. Since Brexit, the NHS has lost over 4,000 doctors trained in the EU. Not only that, more doctors are leaving the NHS many due to burnout. Last year 3,229 doctors resigned from the NHS. Additionally the British Medical Journal (BMJ) surveyed junior doctors: 40% plans on leaving the NHS in the next 12 months. 33% are actively looking for work in another country, planning to go to Australia (42%), New Zealand (20%), the Middle East (9%), Canada & Europe, excluding the UK (9%) & the US (5%). 83% said poor pay & dire working conditions were the reason for planning to leave.
These departures come at a time when we are fully training even less doctors than before. It is no longer an attractive preposition for bright people to become doctors in the UK. Although the number of doctors starting training has increased by 6% since 2019, only 37% continue to work as doctors after the foundation years. In addition, others are dropping out early in their careers. For example, in 2011, 74% of recently-trained doctors planned to stay in the NHS. This figure dropped to 57.4 in 2019, & is still dropping.
Data also shows that there's a year-on-year decline in how prepared graduate doctors feel in their foundation years. Basically the NHS is becoming a more hostile working environment, The job of a doctor has always been hard, but at least you were rewarded. For the past 12 years, conditions have been getting worse, the rewards are no longer there & doctors feel there's little point in working their fingers to the bone & suffering burnout for little compensation. As a result we need doctors who trained abroad to pug the gap. I don't know about you, but if I have the choice between having a 0.03% chance of my doctor being struck off compared to having no doctor at all, guess which I'll go for.
For your information unknown ' Asylum ' individuals shipped in their hundreds into small towns and villages causes the local community to become understandably discombobulated.. !
You can always attack them - like in Knowsley....(not serious - irony)
The main problem is that Gary Linacre Tweeted a true statement in contrast to Suella Braverman's legally invalid rhetoric. In the 1930s Braverman like statements were common in Germany. By 1940, after the fall of France, Adolf Eichmann proposed sending unwanted people, in this case Jews, to Madagascar, a French Colonial island.
also, in 1938, 17 000 'undesirable' Jews of non-German origins (mainly Polish) were stripped of there citizenship and deported by Germany...if that's not reminiscent of what Suella is trying to do, I don't know what is.
@@dibdab101 Illegal immigration has consequences. The left wing politicians, media and activists that encourage, assist or condone illegal immigration are responsible for all the suffering and tragedies that happen because of it.
@@Tayloradrift can you characterise who is 'illegal', because by definition anyone reaching the English waters and claiming asylum status is legal.... So who are the illegal ones?
It seems I am not only one to think the attempt to silence Lineker served only to prove him correct.
Prove him correct?
@@Tayloradrift Well... From my humble german perspective, you should be really careful not to move in a very wrong direction. And thats not "only" about freedom of press and speech.
@@n.k.8530 Some acknowledgement from the Left regarding criminals establishing themselves all over Europe and coming up with a credible alternative would go a long way to ease tensions.
@@Tayloradrift Yes, you read that correctly. The subsequent pretend-outrage proved Lineker correct. Britain does not like free speech and expressing opinions.
@Grets Garbo He was pointing out that what was happening in Germany in the mid-thirties in terms of the vile language used by the British government, is also now happening in Britain. Are you asleep?
Illegal immigration is a problem that needs solving. Drawing comparisons to nazis is just trying to throw mud and shut down debate.
Fantastic, and well put. To think that even as this distraction was playing out, the BBC were playing the series on radio 4 about the rise of the Nazis... What a joke to have ministers spouting tripe, and well done Lineker for calling out the parallels.
That's right we can't be having people taking the Nazis too seriously - can we ?
@@OptimisticHominid
You obviously should have gone to Specsavers .
Never forget. Don't mention it.
I would really like Mr Snow explain his claims that the United States, Hungry, Indonesia have back sliced democratically. All these countries have fair elections as far as I am aware.
Wrong, you should inform yourself better about Russian interference in the 2016 election and the far-right insurrection over non-existent “voter fraud” that Trump incited.
Grow up man ffs!
They do not have fair elections, and neither does the UK, with a FPTP electoral system and a press that is 80% owned and dominated by the right and foreign billionaires. That might be democracy to you, but not to many.
Lineker isn't right and the whole country is not behind him
300,000 views and 800 likes. Clearly not many agree with him.
NO COME ON THESE PEOPLE ARE NOT IN DANGER THEY ARE CROOKS
Stop shouting Mr Frustrated - 78% of ALL asylum claims are approved - so why are you talking BS
So we are all told every year we have to remember the lessons from 'the' holocaust and then when someone takes a lesson and then highlights government and media language about particular groups of people, asylum seekers [but in fact mainly about Muslims] who have had their countries bombed in multiple places for decades by British and AMerican governments and had a whole load of domestic policies and laws targetted specifically at 'them', we are told "Don't make comparisons with what led to the holocaust" So they need to make their minds up.
Saddam Hussein's Ba'athist regime was as close to the nazis as you're likely to get.
Lineker: "This sounds a bit like 1930 Germany"
BBC: "ZIS IZ NOT POLITIKAlLY KOREKT!"
Grow up!
Something rotten in the state of England. Not even Assange case can be discussed from different perspectives and the McCanns, former suspects in the Madeleine case cannot be criticized.
"Clever historians were right" is the argument of a very bad historian
I sick of hearing people who have got loads of money, saying Lineker was right the government should give away more of the country's money to immigrants, let theses people give their own money first if they think that strongly about it.
The idea that a sports presenter freelancer has to have all his political views censored out of work and that a government can put pressure on a broadcaster to silence him in his private life is utterly idiotic and Orwellian. They have also a whole load of employees, hierarchy and presenters, even in the current affairs section with overt political views, financial interests, activities and affiliations. And they use the 'no-one can make a comparison with Jews' card to silence everyone and cheapen the blood of other oppressed, persecuted and massacred peoples, usually the Muslims.
Except for the situation in China, you will find that when Muslims are being massacred, it is done by other Muslims in the VAST majority of case. And when Christians are massacred, you will find it is done by Muslims in the VAST majority of cases. When Jews are massacred, you will also find that it is done by Muslims in the VAST majority of cases.
Interesting that you should talk about Muslims, where they are completely irrelevant to the discussion here.
@@TheEvertw
Shhh- Don't mention India !
@@TheEvertw
Or Myanmar !
@@TheEvertw
Or Palestine !
@@TheEvertw
Stop me if I'm getting too complicated for you .
It doesn't affect your like. For many yes it does. Snow is completely out of touch.
The comments suggest otherwise
@@brendanukveteran2360 The comments are obviously from the same class of people. Dan Snow is ignoring the bleeding obvious, which is very typical of the chattering classes.
Folks are missing the point. These so-called migrants aren't loitering on the rich list doorsteps.
You are deliberately missing the point - you have been manipulated into regarding other human beings as having less worth than you - and that is the whole point...you are acting no different to those in 1930's Germany: THEY are different..THEY are unworthy of compassion..THEY are BAD...they MUST BE STOPPED....of course you don't see yourself in that way, you think most people agree with you and anyone who doesn't....is also BAD.
@@brendanukveteran2360 So why speak out now?
Exactly my point in so many posts about this . Fascism was a slow journey to genocide . It began with finding a scapegoat .
The actions are more akin to the British policy of interning tens of thousands of Jews on the Isle of Man during WW2 and deporting many thousands on boats, some of which were sunk by the Germans. So that was probably a better direct comparison rather than 1930s Germany whose intention was not to intern/deport but to exterminate.
But yes go look at early Goebbels speeches , as he said evil starts of slow and gradually builds up. The point is we can’t let this develop to get that bad
Every British has got a wright to say something against government and if you can answer to comment so do it or not be shut up, and now we can call Gary Man of The Day>>>>>>
If he thinks he's right, why doesn't he call for publication of Gary Lineker's contract? That's what it all comes down to.
How would publishing Gary's contact have any impact on his main point that there is no point learning about the rise of fascism if modern day parallels can never be discussed? Or that there are some parallels but how close they are might be overegged?
@@gareth2736 Read the title of the video. 🤔🤔
@@Stalker-nv7gi oh so you read the title of the video and based your comment off that rather than watching the video? Easily done I'm guilty of that to sometimes but the video is worth watching as it's a more balanced and less partisan take on the controversy than most people are making.
A very good interview and yes, clarified the language and Government rhetoric that has caused very unpleasant attitudes towards refugees and asylum seekers. As criminals and enemies of the people. Our government has a nasty attitude toward favouring a limited number of very right wing voters.
Dan Snow a man who know his facts and can educate others.
He knows the now because he knows his history.
David Starkey is much better historic and Neil Oliver, than dan
It was nothing to do with history and everything to do with Beeb impartiality and implied & expressed terms and conditions in employment law. E.g. all military personnel serve with a contract term of not communicating with the press or publishing anything that compromises the good name or effectiveness of the military.
Contract law - not difficult.
My comment was about Dan snow not about anything else.
I think hes a well educated bloke who has a grasp on history if a person has the ability to look backwards in a subjected way he then has an understanding of current problems.
@@gordonclifton2694 I think you may be commenting in the wrong context of my comment but your comment is valid in some context
@@janewilkin1984 A lovely comment and a very valuable point.
To know our present we have to accept and understand our collective past.
The mistakes of today are written in our yesterday's
Your 'mortgage payment' is paid by your job Dan and in towns and cities where people are fighting over low paid jobs cheap, illegal workers cause big problems as does the pressure on housing and as you also mention 'childcare' and schools.
Your toff arrogance that poor people are just being racist rather than voicing real challenges just shows how out of touch you are.
I see so many people leaping on this bandwagon that have absolutely experience of what is happening and feel entitled to 'other' the working class.
Correct Steve
Nobody ever mentions the word ‘illegal’ immigration. Why?
Because it isn't, it's asylum seeking which is legal
Comrade Gary poor lad who suffered from racism because of his colour being black and being so knowledgeable about nazis🙄
Do you even know what point you are trying to make?
@@waldorfmcvitty4854 yes that he talks **** comrade
@@waldorfmcvitty4854 government wants stop criminal gangs shipping illegals putting many at risk at drowning , also stop the criminals that are hiding amongst the illegal immigrants, yes they are many so let's compare that to nazis in the 30's , stealing Jewish housing, businesses, killing the Jewish people , creating extermination camps, using those in camps for experimentation , using children , twins , mentally handicapped to name a few , create jewish ghetto etc ! 🤔 so has our government done any of those horrible crimes. To not like the government is one thing to claim this government is behaving like nazis is an insult and mockery to the jewish / romany people etc who suffered before / during and after the war !
Brilliant vid
If the BBC didn't have a far left problem we wouldn't be worrying about Individual presenters recording opinions. I like Linaker . It's a shame that the BBC's political integrity is suddenly being tested on the shoulders of a great football presenter.
I don't look to the BBC for news anyway now. I can guess what a 14 year old socioogy student from 1981 would think so I don't need to watch . I was one .
Well said Dan Snow, if the Home Office Minister disagrees with Gary Lineker then Suella Braverman should sue his for libel, he's a millionaire he can afford it and what he said was factually correct.
Sure - Lineker could claim he was just obeying orders !!
@jenny hubbock Then it should be much easier for Suella Braverman to sue him for libel.
@jenny hubbock This discussion is not about refugees and migrants, it is about Suella Braverman's reaction to them and whether Gary Lineker is accurate in finding parallels in her speeches and those of 1930's Germany.
@jenny hubbock The speeches made by Germans in the 1930s led to WW2 and the holocaust, if I had the power to do something I would sack Suella Braverman
Thanks goodness that there are so many smart people in media sniff out the Tories motive to control people's opinion by hiding behind impartiality while infact the director and chairman are carry out Tories plan.
You forgot to mention the intrasectionist hard Marxist left. Oh maybe your just sympathetic.
Murdoch owns this station
What a good analysis.
Wow, never has there been so much truth spoken on this chanel
😂😂😂 very good 😂😂😂 sarcasm right???
To suggest that Gary Lineker thought his statement through in as much details as Dan Snow has is laughable….Gary Lineker isn’t exactly a serious intellectual…..it’s all about virtue signalling, not intellect…..
How can you approve of Dan Snow and dish GL when he confirmed that from a historical perspective, GL was correct.
It seems very clear that you are signalling something - but it isn't all that clear what it is....
Could I give Dan 10 thumbs up for this, I would. Well said!
Your general coverage, across many topics, has been excellent, thank you.
No, activists historians like Dan Snow choose to find parallels with those they hate and Nazis.
Thucydides and Herodotus these guys are not.
Did you hear Dan say that he thinks because of austerity measures Historians will soon be a thing of the past ?
Soon as A.I.kicks in - Historians and Football Pundits will all be a thing of the past.
@@orcencart7215 Yes and there'll be gangs of unruly robots hanging around outside chip shops swilling silicon lubricant from cans and tick boxes with ' I AM a robot ' when shopping online....
And posting comments on TH-cam ?
@@orcencart7215 Yes definitely.Apparently a rogue AI stole all the plus + buttons from a consignment of calculators and the police said it was a mystery and that nothing adds up for some reason ? Just the beginning....
Finally a man who articulates my view exactly.
So that’d be a Hobson’s choice, then? ;)
@@feliscorax touché
The only people who are making a big thing of this are the media and celebs. I tend to ignore Mr Lineker.
So we might just as well throw up our arms and let the English Channel be an open waterway for anyone who wants to get here.
We have to find 1.2 million employees somewhere, may as well start with them, no one else is volunteering, unless you fancy taking on a couple of extra jobs.
Well dne Dan. As a subscriber to his History Hit channel, I see this sort of clear perspective regularly. We could really do with more people like Mr Snow.
Snotballs like you love him, thats all.
Oh, my aching sides.
Simple political snobbery. How dare a working class ex footballer air a political view whilst portillo and other ex Oxford and Cambridge BBC contributors regularly break the guidelines without censure. Should BBC comedians now stop ripping the government under the guise of comedy. Of this came before a court of law the BBC would be laughed out of court and Lineker could sue them
Then all we have to do, is have the BBC a bastion of free speech, invite contributions from Kanye West and Israel Folau. Do you not agree?
@@darrenbellenger1 no. Keep the news and political division within the guidelines, as it should be. How many BBC presenters do work for charities? Are they to stay quiet if government policy affects the charity views? Appears me common sense has gone out of the window and that can only be lain at the door of BBC management
@@spartacusforlife1508 It was sarcasm mate. I actually completely agree with you.
@@spartacusforlife1508 Although one has to consider what would have happened if Gary Lineker supported the new proposed law. Would he have been treated like Israel Folau was?
@@darrenbellenger1 it shouldn't have mattered what he tweeted. It was not done under the guise of a BBC employee
The point is that Linneker is a grossly overpaid person on the tax-funded national broadcaster that is supposed to be politically neutral. The political posturing by the news and current affairs people is much worse and more serious than a that of a footballer sounding off BUT Linneker is too prominent and too well paid at public expense and so, arguably, should come under the same restrictions. Keep your politics to yourself while you are paid staff of the BBC (as distinct from being an interviewee.) If Linneker worked for Times Radio, nobody would be bothered.
Apparently, Linneker sounded off previously about sacking Corbyn. Same thing applies. The BBC should have stepped in to stop him.
Linneker is not being shut up. If he resigned from the BBC, Channel 4 and LBC would interview him daily.
Attempted deflection, poor try!
Either it's OK - and it appeared to be when Clarkson, Neil & Sugar did it - or it isn't. Rule for one, rule for all. How much they get paid is totally irrelevant.
How's the Neva looking?
Why didn’t this logic apply to the political comments made by freelancers Lord Sugar and Andrew Neill when they were making anti-Labour comments on social media, then?
More wokeness
Bro just reprogrammed the Times radio droids lol
What Lineker said was foolish. But living in a free society means having the right to think and say foolish things.
Of course this doesn't sound like a very marvellous right. Yet if you think about it, the right to be wrong is actually the foundation of all our rights.
NOT when you work for a company and sign a contract for impartiality with them, you don't. He should be sacked. And if he wants free speech then he should go and work for gb news where there is no impartiality rules
@@cardroid8615 He didn't say it at work or on the air.
What if he had said it to strangers on a tube platform? Or published it in a book? Does the BBC own his soul and mind 24 hours a day? You can't sign away your human rights by agreeing to work somewhere.
@@dixonpinfold2582 unfortunately he did in his contract. And he aired his biased opinion on a public platform
I wish we did live in a free society.
What Lineker said was not foolish. He said that the vile language of the right was used in the Germany of the thirties.
Nicely put!
Well said Dan.
Well done Dan. As much as I'm happy that you said what you said, I'm very sad that so many missed the point in the first place. It's not very complicated but, they tried to make it so.
It would be interesting to see if Dan would be willing to take an undocumented migrant who entered the country illegally into his home and put them into a bedroom next to his wife and children.
@@Tayloradrift very unlikely Chris, fools like them will never put themselves or family members at risk but it’s ok for us paupers to be forced to endure all this💩
@@norabarry7694 So true. Everyone I've put that question to has either stayed silent or said no.
He is allowed to say want he wants where do you live ? I want to re house a little boat of homeless young men who would like to stay in your spare bedrooms.
Both the BBC and Gary would benefit from some honest self-acknowledgement but we humans are adverse to do that. As Benjamin Franklin said; "How few there are who have courage enough to own their faults, or resolution enough to mend them." There are alot of perfect omniscient people out there...........on all sides. Very few neutral, factual, objective comments.
I would highlight the words immigrant invasion ! And hundreds of millions coming ! I’ve only got a undergraduate history degree. But this is obvious he is right 100%
They are using the same timeline. High treason
Why is it the responsibility of the UK to accept anyone, from anywhere and in any number?
Because we signed the 1951 Refugee Convention, advocated for by none other than Winston Churchill. Perhaps you should watch Dan Snow more and actually learn some history
@@davidmurphy7332 Have you helped any refugees. And how many undocumented men who entered the country illegally are your housing?
@@davidmurphy7332 Refugees aren't the problem and never have been, it's economic migrants and criminal gangs exploiting these conventions that are the problem! Coastal France isn't a war zone in case you haven't noticed!?!
@@davidmurphy7332 We signed a treaty to enter the European Community. And repealed the European Community Act, 1972. We can do the same with any other treaty which infringes our national sovereignty.
it is as much the responsibility of the UK as it is any other country who signed up to the 1951 Refugee Convention. Why does the UK always try to absolve itself of its responsibilities??? We are already doing a lot less than a lot of countries in Europe.
Wise Words!
Name these historians.
Dan Snow is a historian you muppet 🤣
@user-bs5sw8nr6d I think they are the same as the 99.9% of scientists who agree on climate change but won't say what they actually agree on.
@@dibdab101 you have just proven yourself to be the Muppet because you didn't even listen to what he said did you, he qouted "historians" but never named them or what they said. Goodnight.
@@pbysome
you are right he didn't name them, fair enough, but hey, it's not like they haven't been on the news in the last few days. If it helps, I suggest you listen to Joan Salter, who was a Jewish girl in Germany in the 1930s and is a holocaust survivor. She agrees wholeheartedly with what Lineker tweeted, and as she was actually there, I'm inclined to believe her. Aren't you?
Sweet dreams.
@@dibdab101 I like to hear verifiable facts instead of emotive opinions and I don't see how objecting to hoards of young men entering illegally is anyway akin to subjugating and murdering you're own citizens but hey that's just me.
Also what is a "clever historian" isn't history verifiable fact or simple conjecture? Why would "clever" be necessary but to attempt to add kudos to his assertions?.
Anyone who knows the history of Germany in the thirties knows full well that the language used by the German government then was very similar to the language used by the British government today. Even yesterday, only right wing news outlets we permitted to accompany Braverman to Ruanda, while the BBC were not. Classic! Only the right-wing perspective is wanted. Britons are, by and large, pretty apathetic. Fascism comes in slowly, gradually, piece by piece, as your friend, and on your side.
Eaxctly well put!!!
Unlike your spelling.
Try living on a council estate with the influx not on millionaires row.
Virtue signallers 👎👎👎👎
We are backsliding back into authoritarianism as Dan Snow has alluded to. The many countries and strong men populism has grown significantly across Europe, North America and Asia. I think although people can challenge me is that communities since the 2008 and even before that have seen their standard of living and opportunities disappear why income inequality has grown particularly the last 20 years. Kids are now worse off than their parents and grandparents. Even before that it was increasing. The social contract has disappeared. Governments have failed many people and many institutions they hold dear especially public services. Now some people now see and blame minorities and people who have the lowest voice in society. Its fair game to them. People want to blame someone for their woes. History usually repeats its itself especially if we ignore the warning signs. Could be that we've always been d*ckheads and social media has just exposed it. Just a thought.
“It’s less likely to affect your life than the cost of child care”
I don’t have kids, but I used to rent accommodation in London until it became too expensive & I had to move away.
You were priced out of the market by refugees who had just crossed the channel with nothing?
@@gareth2736 LOL! Generally, my observation is that most of these arguments are "gut instincts" and all fear based. And as we all know, if a person gets scared, they start seeing the enemy everywhere...
@@gareth2736 You're implying that people with lower income and skills aren't important enough to earn protection from the government that the poorest and most vulnerable people in a nation state should be the most affected by market forces and shouldn't moan about it.
Let me guess...you voted Remain and still can't quite figure out why Brexit happened...
These people have votes and if their voices aren't acknowledged, theyy'll keep voting until they are. it's up to people like you how extreme that vote has to become.
@@reallyratherwouldnt do you think he was priced out of the market by immigrants who had just crossed the channel no matter how uneducated or unskilled you believe him to be? Something that the OP hasn't self described at all so is just your rather condescending assumption at the moment! ***edit*** realise you are actually the OP. Do you consider yourself unskilled or uneducated?
SERCO TORY mates Making Millions from these Criminals crossings charade .
Snow is gaslighting. Not a patch on his dad.
The Lineker issue is about a very serious breach of contract. Like the armed services, you sign on to a contract which says you cannot go around saying whatever you fancy. If you want to do that, you leave your employer. Easy.
And you, sir, are in serious breech of context, facts, perspective - and common sense.
Clever historians, a contradiction in terms ?
If you look back at history ,It can be read in many different ways and can be picked at and shown how you wish it to be shown ?.
But a lot of these opinions by people like Lineker & Dan Snow who don"t live in the real world and are protected in their small glass bubbles don"t understand the problems of ordinary people struggling on small wages who search for N.H.S. medical or Dental care ,housing and school problems ,while the migrants are still filling the U.K. when they should have taken refuge in the 1st safe country reached in the E.U. -
not all searching out the U.K. for whatever reason .
No, he was wrong, another loony lefty like Times Radio.
What about crime rate high taxes housing benefits etc .on a very small island that is struggling to feed and house its own.
I just wonder if those outraged by the BBC's suppression of free speech would be quite so outraged if Lineker had expressed support for the deportation policy, or indeed Brexit or some other issue. For far too many people, it seems that blatant bias is acceptable in the publicly funded BBC, indeed even applauded, just so long as the presenter is considered to be biased in the correct way. As his dispute with HMRC tends to suggest, Gary Lineker seems less than keen to put his money where his mouth is. Also, with a growing obesity crisis amongst young people, I don't believe that a lucrative long-term sponsorship deal is a particularly good look, even for someone as clearly sainted as Gary Lineker. By the way, I support the real Left, not Linekar's half-baked, ersatz version of it.
They are others though, should we allow everybody to come across the border? Even British citizens need to show passports when returning to these shores.
Every country in the world has borders otherwise they aren't countries.
Hungary is very democratic they just voted the way you don't like.
Armed insurrection? You have seen the suppressed video haven't you?
So biased , how could he hope to be taken seriously.
“Othering groups in society”
They’re not in society.
Gary never said anything about Nazi's, he was on about language being used in the early 30's in Germany trying to blame ethnic groups on the mistakes of the elite rulers of Europe who went to war in 1914 over the arms race and imperial conquest
Dan is wrong. The problem isn’t what Gary Lineker said. The problem is that he gave his personal opinion on a contentious public issue outside of an editorial venue. The BBC is supposed to be an impartial source of information. Journalists have a responsibility to not present their personal opinions in public. This is nothing like 1930’s Germany because the goal was to preserve the impartial integrity of the BBC. Gary’s behavior undermined it. Gary’s behavior would move the ANNC to be more like Fox News and would help undermine democracy, which Dan says he wants to protect.
Lineker isn't a journalist. The BBC social media rules specifically state that non-news staff such as sports presenters are not held to the same impartiality rules as news journalists.
Gary Lineker is not a journalist. Andrew Neil still is a journalist and part-owner of The Spectator that favours the Tories. And Andrew Neill made sometimes off colour political statements on Twitter. Not a peep out of the BBC. More than anything, we need the BBC to be trustworthy and impartial. Where Lineker was concerned they were neither trustworthy nor impartial.
But George, Lineker isn't a BBC journalist, he's a sports pundit.
I get your point when it comes to journalists, but for non-news presenters? This isn't going to move BBC News towards Fox News, any more than Jack Dee from I'm Sorry I Haven't A Clue is going to.
People have enough brains to understand the difference between a news journalist and a sports pundit.
Wasn’t a problem when Lord Sugar was telling people not to vote for Corbyn or when Andrew Neill was Tweeting a barrage of far-right political comments, so I’m going to call BS on that. The “problem” from the perspective of the Tory-appointed BBC leadership was that Linekar was making a political comment that was critical of the Tories.
Impartial integrity of the BBC? Don't make me laugh. The Beeb's reputation for that disappeared with the appointment of prominent Tory donors and supporters in the top jobs. And they're doing those jobs by stamping out dissent in the ranks. Or they were until they picked on Lineker.
At what point did The Times morph into Novara Media??
Sounds like just too used to watching far-right media if The Times sounds indistinguishable from Novara Media to you.
@Alli P It was a wry observation on Times Radio's refusal to address the core of the issue, that being BBC Impartiality, NOT the rights and wrongs of a Government policy.
Gary Linker should stick to football he knows nothing about hardship or the problem people face in this country.
I imagine he knows far more than you, how many refugees did you take in recently? He has taken in 2.
Nothing says ‘I am a fascist’ more clearly than wanting to silence people who express views that you don’t like
Like the woke left?
@@Tayloradrift not that I’m aware of. Can you give an example?
@@tonykelpie Diane Abbot supporting Nottingham University?
@@tonykelpie Right wing comedian shows being cancelled by Labour Councils?
@@tonykelpie Labour councillors in Places like Rochdale, Rotherham and Telford trying to silence people concerned about migrant men abusing white schoolgirls?
I find it truly astonishing that so many people, are getting so upset, about what someone they have never met, said on a social media platform. Is there so little happening in the country that this is all there is to debate about?
they're not upset about what he said.. he can say what he likes, providing he isn't funded by tax payers money by mandatory tax... and claiming to be impartial.
Its because no one else in the MSM is challenging the Tory narrative and they can't stand being called out in public they wanted him silenced and when that wasn't going to happen they wanted him sacked.
As well as being a disgusting show pony it won't work, Braveman has already been called out by a holocaust survivor for her use of language
Lest we forget the sacrifices of everyone to defeat fascism or the millions killed in being othered dehumanised and demonised as not human
These are not boats there people
Well, Gary Linekar is probably the highest publically funded person in the country, after the Royal Family. Just think about that. And the BBC’s Charter is founded on its supposed political neutrality. So yes, it is a story.
@@joecater894 What you said doesn't make sense, the government and all it's MPs' are funded with taxpayers money, by mandatory tax, but you seem to have no problem with their opinion, why not? Gary Lineker has never claimed to be impartial, he is a football commentator, he is not a journalist so does not have to be impartial in his private life. Are you impartial at work but not in your private life? Same thing here, we all have to be careful in our language and opinions at work, but can say whatever we wish to in the sanctity of our own homes. Unless, of course, we are saying something that you, or the government do not like. Thought police anyone?
Debating is dead. The left have made sure of that!
I appreciate this perspective. I support free speech very much and he should be free to say what he wants but there will always be consequences to speech and employment. I will say though that fear of Islam is a pretty rational fear to have because some of these cultures are really not compatible with western liberal values and have killed millions in their name.
Jug eared Lineker should limit his attention to voicing his uneducated comments re football and how tasty crisps are. To criticise a policy that responds to the British public voicing their concerns re the alarming influx of ILLEGAL immigrants is beyond the pale. A while ago, Lineker cr@pped on the pitch against Ireland and now he seems intent on repeating the act directly on the British public!
8 seconds in and he lied, the BBC did not try to fire him.
Spot on
300,000 views and 800 likes. I doubt many agree.
Britain awarded Dame Edna "The Most Excellent Order of the British Empire" in 2007. The thought of it must keep the Tories up at night 😠