NOTE: Meant to say Kitain Cross-Spear is his BiS when your ER needs AREN'T fully covered as its has a passive that provides ER...apologies on not saying that properly. :] Also reminder that your HP build appreciates some crit and will care about talents, specifically your skill the most! I figured that was obvious but just wanted to say it here just in case.
@@supersonicgood yeah absolutely, but that’s a an artifact set multiple characters can use on Kinich teams so I didn’t want to confuse people by diving into team specific artifacts people could tech onto him. You are right though!
I just want to say... THIS.. is the exact kind of information that I need when deciding if I want to build a character! You answered questions I didn't know how ask! *instantly subscribes*
@@ahadayaz4139 yes it does it only doesn’t hit when you move too far away from the enemies near the end of the skill, but burning will still be up allowing for max point generation
I've been using Thoma for a long time and I got him on a four piece Gilded Dreams set, with a random Pyro Damage Bonus goblet that I got in the domain that has Navia's artifact set (which I was farming for Kachina). He's such a great character and has gotten me through a lot. Prior to the Gilded Dreams, I had him on a two piece Husk of Opulent Dreams (I forget what the others were), on the assumption him being a tank meant having him be more defensive would be good. Great video. Really amazing stuff here. Glad to see more people realizing Thoma is a great character.
This much quality on guide, explaining stuff, edits and only 353 subs? Keep doing what you're doing bro. I'm sure you'll be big in no time because your content is so informative and good. Subbed and liked!
@@maxenite Thanks a lot for the encouragement and the sub+like! It means a lot honestly. I’m working hard to be as informative and entertaining as I can for the community. I’ll be sure to keep it up! 🙏
@@Bifragura yep, with a Pyro or Dendro hard hitter: Kinich, Arle... I heard you can also use Cryo as it doesn't use up Pyro aura as fast so maybe Wrio will work although I don't have him...
Thanks for the great vid! I actually have Thoma on a weird hybrid HP/EM build, which has not been ideal, so I thought now that I have him at C4 maybe I'd give him a different build with Kinich!
Weirdly enough, for Kinich in particular: despite me using EM thoma, I'm starting to think about using HP thoma cause Kinich tends to end up dying a lot if I'm not using bennett and Xinqiu in particular for healing and dmg reduction. Kinich moves around so much that he will tend to slide right in front of an enemy's attack which usually gets him killed unless he has those other two supporting him at all times. 😅
@@kookio4284 it can work! If you’re playing with Bennett you could always just build 2pc 2pc HP in general or go for an HP/ER build for the new Scroll of the hero of cinder city set to support the Kinich team specifically
I wonder if the Natlan support artifacts (Scroll of the Hero of Cinder City) would work for the HP build? Thoma is not a Nightsoul character, so it’s a measly 12% damage bonus. It may still be better than no buffs if you’re shielding Neuvilette, Mualani, or Yelan who don’t benefit from Noblesse Oblige’s ATK. My Thoma is built half and half (ER, EM, HP on 2+2 EM) because I use him for Imaginarium Theater: just so he gives something for whatever random party the challenge throws at me
@@studiesinflux1304 Scroll is probably a decent choice for a Mualani team for now as she benefits from it and synergizes with Thoma, but Neuv has bad synergy as he uses charged attacks meaning only one instance of Pyro comes out every charge attack. Building an in-between build with 2pc EM and 2pc Hp is solid if you just want a general build. 👍
So i have c2 thoma and i use deepwood for kinich team idk if i should build him er hp hp since im using er hp em for balance stats but i also want some sustain, should i chane the em circlet to hp?
How about overload teams? Raiden/Clorinde and Cyno with Chevreuse has been popular for quite a while. I wonder if his damage contribution would be good on EM or I'll just shield up and go HP%
@@freezred in overload I would suggest using a set like noblesse (if nobody is using it) or emblem for personal damage, ER and you can build HP/crit once your ER needs are met. Anything relatively supportive is good for him in this team but EM isn’t the greatest in this team. Overload damage is improved by EM but Chevreuse teams are more-so improving the pyro and electro damage separately, not exactly improving overload damage directly. Overload is more of a catalyst to the buff rather than it being buffed itself. Idk if this helps but hopefully it did
@@scorpiusmalfoy9095 I don’t own Furina but I don’t like that team if your goal is to be a burgeon play style. I think I’ve explained why before in another comment but essentially it’s because you don’t really get many burgeons in that team so Thoma wouldn’t be doing much damage or helping you as much. If you want a burgeon team you’ll need more hydro application, so running Xingqiu over Furina would be better. If you don’t care about burgeons then yeah the team can work but make sure to run Bennett on the team and don’t expect to get many burgeons out of it. Furina still buffs Kinich’s damage and will get vapes so it’s still good
@@scorpiusmalfoy9095 I mean if you’re using Furina you need a healer in order to maximize her fanfare and Kinich appreciates the attack boost a ton. You can play without it but I’m not quite sure what you’d prefer in that slot then on that team
@@scorpiusmalfoy9095 Xiangling isn’t necessary there cuz you have Dehya so don’t worry. I’d suggest Emilie if you have her, if not you can use nahida. Furina is fine there too. You can also try someone like Fischl even just for off-field damage. I used a fischl team before in a video with those 2 and it felt pretty solid.
my experience after using Thoma C6 for 2 years in floor 12. Thoma is better for burgeon. Stuck EM and ER as much. HP build not helping a lot. Shield just able to hold 1- 2 big bashes from boss. Damage in hp build is trash. Thoma with build Pyro dps just deal total damage 1/4 xiangling dmg. I just give xiangling item to Thoma, and Thoma < Xling
I see everyone who runs a Thoma burgeon team has Nahida on it... sadly I don't have Nahida to try it out. Are Yaoyao and Baizhu decent replacement for her?
@@cherish_xo Yaoyao and Baizhu are a bit redundant but if you don’t have any other option then they’re worth trying I guess. Just see how they work and if the damage is good then cool, but nahida is definitely preferred
hey a quick question, i want to play him with bennet, kazuha and wrio since i got thoma's c6, HP build would be more suitable right? besides i gave him 4piece tenacity
When you use thoma with kinich, would you go for EM or HP%? I was thinking of going thoma hp% with deepwood. But I could also go EM thoma with flowers of paradise lost. Team: Kinich Yelan Thoma Benett Thinking of pulling for emillie to replace yelan someday.
@@mrprogamer896 in this team you would use EM as you’d be focusing on burgeon. You can use deepwood on Thoma or Yelan. If you use Emilie in this team then you can use deepwood on her or Thoma and you’d run HP/crit
Hey would em thomas or even half em half hp work in a kinich burgeon team you think?(with furina as the hydro applicator) I consider maybe half hp half em to make it. Abit easier to play even tho its not optimal
@@gangety hey! Personally I like going for an EM focused build in burgeon and Furina isn’t my favourite hydro for burgeon since the application is slow, but you could technically do a hybrid build but just know it won’t be as strong as a more EM focused build. If you’re worried about survivability and want better hydro application for burgeon I suggest running Xingqiu as your hydro applicator. If you want Furina then make sure to run Bennett or something so you have a healer at least but it won’t be a team with a lot of burgeons. Instead Furina will be vaping the burning aura most likely
Is it possible to build him on triple-em mainstat flower of paradise but with hp% + flat hp sub stats to find some sort of middle ground? ( assuming he's c5)
@@mr.miscellaneous1079 you can as some sort of hybrid build just note that it will be average in both categories instead of excelling in either or. Remember to make sure you have enough ER for him though!
@@Array_EB aye o7 I was thinking triple Em Mainstats for around 559.5 Em R5 Kitian for 110 Em and the rest( just pray ) I roll high on hp substats+ er (which is honestly less of an issue at C4) Ty, hopefully it turns out well
@@Vineetpatel79 I don’t really like Thoma + Furina as it becomes too difficult to really make a functional team. Furina needs a healer and Thoma likes burgeon teams. Furina has slow hydro application so you don’t get a lot of burgeons + she doesn’t buff burgeon damage. You’d probably rather play Kinich, Xiangling, Furina, Bennett if you want Furina or play Kinich, Xingqiu, Bennett, Thoma if you wanna use Thoma
@@AzizGuesmi-kb9dk Thoma isn’t really doing much on that team then. Dehya and Thoma take up the same slot so you’d want to pick one or the other. You can use deepwood Thoma or deepwood on a second Dendro character. The final character can then be like Emilie or Nahida. If you have neither then even someone like Fischl can be used if you like
@@AzizGuesmi-kb9dk then maybe use another off-fielder like fischl. That last slot isn’t super important just someone who can give you good additional damage and doesn’t interfere much with the burning reaction. You can even use Dendro traveler or Collei if you’re desperate for something
@@blacktiger2880 it’s not really the best option because works well with normal attackers and lyney uses charge attacks. You CAN if he’s your only shield option but Zhongli is better. Even options like Dehya, Yanfei or Xinyan are more recommended
And this sumerizes why thoma is shit U would have to swap artifa ts and weapons and level him ti the full just in case everytine u put him in a different reaction team
@@YukiTheOkami You can just build him one way and leave it at that, that’s what I currently do! I prefer the EM build for my teams specifically. Also when you get other artifact sets when farming for other characters, just keep them to the side just in case you want to level them. 😊
@@Array_EB I know. And in an English context, "OH-BLYDGE" would be correct. But slapping "Noblesse" on the front changes the context. Probably why TGS being European means he is the only Genshin creator who actually gets it right.
@@ginsengaddict That makes complete sense. Thanks for letting me know I appreciate it! If I still say it the original way then my bad but that’s good to know or keep in mind
NOTE: Meant to say Kitain Cross-Spear is his BiS when your ER needs AREN'T fully covered as its has a passive that provides ER...apologies on not saying that properly. :]
Also reminder that your HP build appreciates some crit and will care about talents, specifically your skill the most! I figured that was obvious but just wanted to say it here just in case.
Pin this.
@@ginsengaddict thought I did thanks for reminding me 🙏
@Array_EB Deepwood is also an option for Thoma in Kinich teams.
@@supersonicgood yeah absolutely, but that’s a an artifact set multiple characters can use on Kinich teams so I didn’t want to confuse people by diving into team specific artifacts people could tech onto him.
You are right though!
Thoma has become a lot better over the last number of patches. He has so many new partners that he can use and I love it
I'm gonna use with kenich
Me who built him with 2HP/2HP with triple EM mainstats
@@TastelessIllness hey I mean it’ll work! It won’t be optimal but it will save you from having to switch builds which is a headache sometimes
or the 2em 2em triple hp% mainstat 😂(or ER sands if needed)
I just want to say... THIS.. is the exact kind of information that I need when deciding if I want to build a character! You answered questions I didn't know how ask!
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@@cavemanish6955 really glad I could help you out. Thanks a ton for the support and I hope to see you around 🙏
You are SUPER UNDERRATED. This video is what I'm searching for past few weeks. Thanks for this
with Kinich as the new better Dendro DPS for Burning and Burgeon.....Thoma is a go to character for him
@@alvin081988 yeah I’d say he’s best with burgeon for Kinich. Dehya and Xiangling are better for burning if you have them 👍
@@Array_EBnot Xiangling since most of the time her Pyronado does even hit opponents as Kinich moves around.
@@ahadayaz4139 yes it does it only doesn’t hit when you move too far away from the enemies near the end of the skill, but burning will still be up allowing for max point generation
I've been using Thoma for a long time and I got him on a four piece Gilded Dreams set, with a random Pyro Damage Bonus goblet that I got in the domain that has Navia's artifact set (which I was farming for Kachina). He's such a great character and has gotten me through a lot. Prior to the Gilded Dreams, I had him on a two piece Husk of Opulent Dreams (I forget what the others were), on the assumption him being a tank meant having him be more defensive would be good.
Great video. Really amazing stuff here. Glad to see more people realizing Thoma is a great character.
@@Pikatwig16 thank you! Thoma is quite under appreciated. I’m glad you enjoyed the content and maybe it even helped! Hope to see you around 😊
Thank you for creating a Thoma build Guide! Love to see similar content in the future!!
This much quality on guide, explaining stuff, edits and only 353 subs? Keep doing what you're doing bro. I'm sure you'll be big in no time because your content is so informative and good. Subbed and liked!
@@maxenite Thanks a lot for the encouragement and the sub+like! It means a lot honestly. I’m working hard to be as informative and entertaining as I can for the community. I’ll be sure to keep it up! 🙏
@@Array_EB keep it up but first take this 👑
@@maxenite you as well king 👑
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@@Ehiplays thanks a lot 🙏 I try my best to make quality videos!
Wonderful guide omg, informative, dynamic and to the point!! LOVED this
@@saiyuu182 really glad you enjoyed it! I had a lot of fun making it so I’m happy it helped 😊
I'm using him as a Shielder + Deepwood holder for my Emilie Team, so HP build with Deepwood
What team are you running? Bennett, Thoma, Emilie I’m assuming?
@@abadboi_23 nice!
@@Bifragura yep, with a Pyro or Dendro hard hitter: Kinich, Arle... I heard you can also use Cryo as it doesn't use up Pyro aura as fast so maybe Wrio will work although I don't have him...
@@abadboi_23 I also saw a similar team with Wriothsley. I'm seriously considering getting him just for that team
Thanks for the great vid! I actually have Thoma on a weird hybrid HP/EM build, which has not been ideal, so I thought now that I have him at C4 maybe I'd give him a different build with Kinich!
I’ve been loving ur videos recently keep it up!!!
Thank you so much! I’m glad you’re enjoying them 😊
Mine with 4pc Crimson Witch with ER/Pyro DMG/CD and the Catch 🗿
@@Rayogami DPS Thoma is kinda based though
Great video!!! Super helpful
Weirdly enough, for Kinich in particular: despite me using EM thoma, I'm starting to think about using HP thoma cause Kinich tends to end up dying a lot if I'm not using bennett and Xinqiu in particular for healing and dmg reduction. Kinich moves around so much that he will tend to slide right in front of an enemy's attack which usually gets him killed unless he has those other two supporting him at all times. 😅
@@kookio4284 it can work! If you’re playing with Bennett you could always just build 2pc 2pc HP in general or go for an HP/ER build for the new Scroll of the hero of cinder city set to support the Kinich team specifically
Great job ❤
@@nanakomiku1424 thank you 😊
I wonder if the Natlan support artifacts (Scroll of the Hero of Cinder City) would work for the HP build?
Thoma is not a Nightsoul character, so it’s a measly 12% damage bonus. It may still be better than no buffs if you’re shielding Neuvilette, Mualani, or Yelan who don’t benefit from Noblesse Oblige’s ATK.
My Thoma is built half and half (ER, EM, HP on 2+2 EM) because I use him for Imaginarium Theater: just so he gives something for whatever random party the challenge throws at me
@@studiesinflux1304 Scroll is probably a decent choice for a Mualani team for now as she benefits from it and synergizes with Thoma, but Neuv has bad synergy as he uses charged attacks meaning only one instance of Pyro comes out every charge attack.
Building an in-between build with 2pc EM and 2pc Hp is solid if you just want a general build. 👍
Am i the only one who has ZYOX s voice-over of guide videos going on inside my head !!
I was wishing for chevreuse... spend 150 pulls.. didn't even get a single chevreuse instead I have c6 thoma and here I am
So i have c2 thoma and i use deepwood for kinich team idk if i should build him er hp hp since im using er hp em for balance stats but i also want some sustain, should i chane the em circlet to hp?
I have c100 thoma😢
I ended up with a weird hybrid build of 4pc gilded, kitan spear, and er, hp, hp main stats.😅
How about overload teams? Raiden/Clorinde and Cyno with Chevreuse has been popular for quite a while. I wonder if his damage contribution would be good on EM or I'll just shield up and go HP%
@@freezred in overload I would suggest using a set like noblesse (if nobody is using it) or emblem for personal damage, ER and you can build HP/crit once your ER needs are met. Anything relatively supportive is good for him in this team but EM isn’t the greatest in this team. Overload damage is improved by EM but Chevreuse teams are more-so improving the pyro and electro damage separately, not exactly improving overload damage directly. Overload is more of a catalyst to the buff rather than it being buffed itself. Idk if this helps but hopefully it did
@@Array_EB Thanks! I guess the reaction damage isn't that much compared to the hypercarries now that I think about it.
Thx for this video
Could u showcase a kinich burgeon with thoma and furina team. I really wanna know if this works out or nah!!
@@scorpiusmalfoy9095 I don’t own Furina but I don’t like that team if your goal is to be a burgeon play style. I think I’ve explained why before in another comment but essentially it’s because you don’t really get many burgeons in that team so Thoma wouldn’t be doing much damage or helping you as much. If you want a burgeon team you’ll need more hydro application, so running Xingqiu over Furina would be better.
If you don’t care about burgeons then yeah the team can work but make sure to run Bennett on the team and don’t expect to get many burgeons out of it. Furina still buffs Kinich’s damage and will get vapes so it’s still good
@@Array_EB guess there is no escape from benny for kinich teams🙂↕️🙂↕️🙂↕️
@@scorpiusmalfoy9095 I mean if you’re using Furina you need a healer in order to maximize her fanfare and Kinich appreciates the attack boost a ton. You can play without it but I’m not quite sure what you’d prefer in that slot then on that team
@@Array_EB but without any buffer his dmg really falls off the cliff!!
How bout benny kinich dehya and a flex(suggest someone other that xiangling)
@@scorpiusmalfoy9095 Xiangling isn’t necessary there cuz you have Dehya so don’t worry. I’d suggest Emilie if you have her, if not you can use nahida. Furina is fine there too. You can also try someone like Fischl even just for off-field damage. I used a fischl team before in a video with those 2 and it felt pretty solid.
I gave him pyro res and shield strength before arlechino was out was that a mistake?
my experience after using Thoma C6 for 2 years in floor 12.
Thoma is better for burgeon. Stuck EM and ER as much.
HP build not helping a lot. Shield just able to hold 1- 2 big bashes from boss. Damage in hp build is trash.
Thoma with build Pyro dps just deal total damage 1/4 xiangling dmg.
I just give xiangling item to Thoma, and Thoma < Xling
I liked this video, therefore I subscribed 😂
@@anabarbara7706 thank you so much 😊
I see everyone who runs a Thoma burgeon team has Nahida on it... sadly I don't have Nahida to try it out. Are Yaoyao and Baizhu decent replacement for her?
@@cherish_xo Yaoyao and Baizhu are a bit redundant but if you don’t have any other option then they’re worth trying I guess. Just see how they work and if the damage is good then cool, but nahida is definitely preferred
@@Array_EB Thank you!
hey a quick question, i want to play him with bennet, kazuha and wrio since i got thoma's c6, HP build would be more suitable right? besides i gave him 4piece tenacity
@@ronxao Yes build ER til you hit his requirements, HP and crit stats for shield strength and damage output
@Array_EB tysm! This is really helpful
@ My pleasure! 😊
When you use thoma with kinich, would you go for EM or HP%?
I was thinking of going thoma hp% with deepwood.
But I could also go EM thoma with flowers of paradise lost.
Team:
Kinich Yelan Thoma Benett
Thinking of pulling for emillie to replace yelan someday.
@@mrprogamer896 in this team you would use EM as you’d be focusing on burgeon. You can use deepwood on Thoma or Yelan. If you use Emilie in this team then you can use deepwood on her or Thoma and you’d run HP/crit
@@Array_EB Thanks for the reply! Time for burdgeon.
Thoughts on the 1:18 crit emblem build?
@@datusario1043 it’s good if you want to focus more on energy and personal damage but your shield strength will suffer. Hope that helps 🙏
Hey would em thomas or even half em half hp work in a kinich burgeon team you think?(with furina as the hydro applicator) I consider maybe half hp half em to make it. Abit easier to play even tho its not optimal
@@gangety hey! Personally I like going for an EM focused build in burgeon and Furina isn’t my favourite hydro for burgeon since the application is slow, but you could technically do a hybrid build but just know it won’t be as strong as a more EM focused build. If you’re worried about survivability and want better hydro application for burgeon I suggest running Xingqiu as your hydro applicator. If you want Furina then make sure to run Bennett or something so you have a healer at least but it won’t be a team with a lot of burgeons. Instead Furina will be vaping the burning aura most likely
@@Array_EB oh that's clever I didn't see the problem from this angle ! That will be helpful to think how I should do it thanks!
@@gangety my pleasure! Sorry if my explanation was poor, it was early when I typed it out haha
Is it possible to build him on triple-em mainstat flower of paradise but with hp% + flat hp sub stats to find some sort of middle ground? ( assuming he's c5)
@@mr.miscellaneous1079 you can as some sort of hybrid build just note that it will be average in both categories instead of excelling in either or. Remember to make sure you have enough ER for him though!
@@Array_EB aye o7
I was thinking triple Em Mainstats for around 559.5 Em
R5 Kitian for 110 Em and the rest( just pray ) I roll high on hp substats+ er (which is honestly less of an issue at C4)
Ty, hopefully it turns out well
I have c6 thoma and c0 kinich ,furina should i use Bennett or dendro mc (with deepwood) or xiangling ??
@@Vineetpatel79 I don’t really like Thoma + Furina as it becomes too difficult to really make a functional team. Furina needs a healer and Thoma likes burgeon teams. Furina has slow hydro application so you don’t get a lot of burgeons + she doesn’t buff burgeon damage.
You’d probably rather play Kinich, Xiangling, Furina, Bennett if you want Furina or play Kinich, Xingqiu, Bennett, Thoma if you wanna use Thoma
@@Array_EB okay 👍
Bro what i put artifacts for thoma, i wanna increase kinich damage. Tell me what build i should use for thoma
@@AzizGuesmi-kb9dk what team composition?
@@Array_EB for me i use kinich thoma dehye and bennett (dehye 4p dpwood)
@@AzizGuesmi-kb9dk Thoma isn’t really doing much on that team then. Dehya and Thoma take up the same slot so you’d want to pick one or the other. You can use deepwood Thoma or deepwood on a second Dendro character. The final character can then be like Emilie or Nahida. If you have neither then even someone like Fischl can be used if you like
@@Array_EB the problem is i don't have nahida or emelie
@@AzizGuesmi-kb9dk then maybe use another off-fielder like fischl. That last slot isn’t super important just someone who can give you good additional damage and doesn’t interfere much with the burning reaction. You can even use Dendro traveler or Collei if you’re desperate for something
I have question ... Can i use toma for lyney????
@@blacktiger2880 it’s not really the best option because works well with normal attackers and lyney uses charge attacks. You CAN if he’s your only shield option but Zhongli is better. Even options like Dehya, Yanfei or Xinyan are more recommended
Em/ Em/ Em.
Xingqiu, Kaveh as driver (with fav great sword), Emily/ YaoYao
Kaveh Burgeon is underrated
What should i go with em or hp? for my kinich.
@@Hitdan1 HP/crit if it’s a burning team and EM if it’s a Burgeon team
@ oh i use him with nahida deepwood, bennet and was thinking of using thoma cause of the c6 atk % boost. Thanks for the fast response!!
@ no problem! Best of luck 🙌
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@@unpoint2228 thank you so much! 🙌
Brother so how much I give me on thoma🤔🤔
And this sumerizes why thoma is shit
U would have to swap artifa ts and weapons and level him ti the full just in case everytine u put him in a different reaction team
@@YukiTheOkami You can just build him one way and leave it at that, that’s what I currently do! I prefer the EM build for my teams specifically.
Also when you get other artifact sets when farming for other characters, just keep them to the side just in case you want to level them. 😊
For future reference: Noblesse OH-BLEEJE
@@ginsengaddict that’s not how you pronounce it but IT IS FUNNIER 😂
@@Array_EB It's a French word.
@@ginsengaddict in English it’s pronounced that way so that’s why I did. My b though!
@@Array_EB I know. And in an English context, "OH-BLYDGE" would be correct. But slapping "Noblesse" on the front changes the context.
Probably why TGS being European means he is the only Genshin creator who actually gets it right.
@@ginsengaddict That makes complete sense. Thanks for letting me know I appreciate it!
If I still say it the original way then my bad but that’s good to know or keep in mind