When Pakistan Army loses face but 'wins' election: Understanding polls where 'losers become winners'
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- Independents backed by Imran Khan's PTI have managed to win the largest number of seats in general election held on 8 Feb. In Episode1396 of Cut The Clutter, Editor-in-Chief Shekhar Gupta explains why this outcome is a setback for Army establishment in Pakistan which openly backed Nawaz Sharif's PML-N & Bilawal Bhutto Zardari's PPP to keep Imran out of power.
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3:30 - Imran Khan's PTI fielded candidates as independents
9:45 - Pakistan Army openly backed Nawaz Sharif & opposed Imran Khan
13:40 - Imran was 1st sitting PM to challenge military establishment
18:55 - Pakistan has seen average voter turnout of 52% in last two elections
23:00 - Nearly 50% of voters in Pakistan in 18-35 age group
27:20 - Asif Ali Zardari wants to become president again
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According to Form 45 which is result given by Returning officer, PTI won 180 seats.
@@harissohail-lh7 In 2018 IK was selected by former Gen Bajwa.
Now Asim Munir has selected NS as a PM
Unfortunately, the US government official, Donul Lu, is allegedly behind the major rigging in the Pakistan Election after issuing a cipher.
As soon as all TV channels announced the results according to Election Form 45, stating that Imran Khan's candidates were winning 170 seats in the election, the internet was suddenly shut down and the reporting of the winning results stopped. Our army then changed the results at gunpoint after visiting every city's Election RO offices. There is significant evidence that has been collected against these undemocratic actions. It is very disheartening for us to discover that our own army and ISI are allegedly highly involved in tampering with the election results, which has shattered the nation's hopes with their undemocratic actions.
FACT CHECK: "Yeh jo dehshat grade hai, is kay peachy ward hai" was a slogan by PML(N) started by Maryum Safdar, you are completely wrong here.
2024 you are admitting I.K won with public votes but you refuse to admit that in 2018 he ALSO won with public votes, not with military help.
@@ab.digital5737 In 2018 IK election there was also rigging and dandli. KING Bajwa was the king maker😉. NS was framed by the Chief Justice and send to prison
Never won a war,
never lost an election.
~ pak army
what an accurate quote with deep meaning
Now they even lost an election
but this time they even lost the elections too
Oversimplification is a trait of a fool! Did India win in 1965? Believe me Indians, the kind of filthy mindset you have for Pakistan, if our Army wasn't potent then India would have demolished Pakistan! You didn't because You can't!!
They just lost this election?
State within a state.. What a shame for Democracy.
Every country have an army but in pakistan There army have a country🙂
Army was living a nice bubble, had full control of the country but had no accountability. People blame the political parties for all the woes. Now Imran has stuck it in their face.
Very very good point. Inspired
Beautifully summed up
CRY
klkkbvg
Absolutely
No PTI name, no chairman (jailed), no symbol. Still won the majority. Thats how influenced public is from imran khan
If i was pakistani i would had also done the same but the Army still won
@@_kartik_chauhanNo they have not! Power of the Pakistani people will force the Army to back down. Nowhere in the world can an army defeat its own people. By the way Imran Khan has many supporters within the Army and that is what really worries the Army leadership.
@@ahmedakhan1
Except in Paxstan.
@@ahmedakhan1
You are looking at stuff emotionally
There is institutional loyalty in an army
You may fight against an army but not a state nobody can defeat a state
USA supports your army
If situation goes out of hand army may back out but they will still have the influence over the state and maybe there will be a deal of ik with army
@@ahmedakhan1pak army will never give up it's power, i don't think pak army will let Imran Khan live longer.
By trying to defame and break PTI , the Pak Army is now hated more then ever in there entire history. I have never seen people be so ANTI army as they are now.
If India wages a war now, will they support the army?
Pakistanis, despite their radical Islamic credentials are at least inching closer to the TRUTH & REALITY of their military & nation!!
That should be good news for Pakistan especially if Pakistanis & the Indian sub continent's M's start de-radicalizing!!
Not army but some people of the army
@@artsgeneration8208 entire army, each and every soldier
@@artsgeneration8208 Entire Army as an institution is to be blamed.
I am from North Punjab. All the seats were won by PTI including 3 from Islamabad city. Perople have compiled results based on the results announced in the polling stations where PTI won massive. Howver, the unholy cabal of establishmnet and PPP/PMLN stole the peoples mandate
Sorry bro people will not feel sorry for Pakistan- when Pak army was meddling/killing people all over the world, Pakistanis were celebrating their army as brave. Now when the shoe is the other foot you are feeling the pain
Didn't u guys celebrated 26/11?
@@drg598 They even had a martyrs prayer meet & congratulations meet by LeT. But as usual cowards will not admit their own actions (during FATF) but other times praise themselves over these actions. Honesty makes Pakistanis severely allergic. Same IK shamelessly said he doesnt know about Uighurs in international forum
@@shankares388 true ..apne pe aayi to pta chala
@@shankares388Arre Bhai, Shekhar Gupta ji, feels sorry for Pakistan! He wants to be a "Samajwadi", a dreaded word, in Modijis Bharat!!
That's why,S.G. keeps on 'appraising pakistanis'!!
Just in case,😂🎉
We Pakistanis have never got independence. The reigns of power were transferred from the British Raj to the army. It’s greed of power & perks lead to the dismemberment of the nascent country in 71, death of two of its elected PMs and incarceration of some including Imran. He is suffering for his vision of challenging the status quo, civil supremacy & universal rule of law.
You are right brother
Feeling very sad, how justice bypass 😢
U never got honest politicians. Julfikar ali vutto was not a honest politician. General Jia was better.
SHAME ON UR BIRTH,
Pakistan never became independent. Pakistan was born on 14th August 1947. That's your birthday and not independence day.
PTI claims that booth level results show they won 170 seats. That's the Form 45 which is signed by all candidate representatives.
Agreeeeee
183, according to the last count!
180+ the real number. Fraud bhoj manipulated results heavily.
Imran Khan is the one who can take Pakistan forward... atleast as of now, he is the most capable leader...🎉
Yes, our last hope...!
Thank god… our Nitish Kumar ji did not offer to support one of the Pakistani party to get Pakistan PM post….
😂😂
The best comment
Very nice 😂
Modi's BJP supported Nitish kumar to be CM !
130+ iq
Pak army losing its face in Pakistan is a good thing for India.Even a hardcore Pakistani can never say Pakistan is democratic
It seems like repeat of 1971
In 1971 Eastern wing had no geographical contngency with West and no leader was equally popular in both wings. This time it is different as Imran Khan has massive popularity in every province.
You better watch out India becoming more and like Pakistan with the BJP.
Getting pakistan back to civilian control will make it focus on itself than destabilising kashmir. Its good pakistani army is loosing
Bjp is a strong party but they have lost many elections @mandarinandthetenrings2201
Keep crying 😂@@mandarinandthetenrings2201
Sir I disagree with your one point where you said that the slogan YE JO DEHSHETGARDI HAI ISKY PEECHY WARDI HAI was shouted by Imran Khan fans. The fact we all know the reason of chaos in Pakistan is Pak Army. They don't want Imran Khan to be in power. But after all those terrible situation Imran Khan never blamed army directly, nationally or internationally. He always say, YEH ARMY BHI MERI HAI AUR MULK BHI MERA HAI.
The slogan "Yeh Jo dehshat gardi hair, iss key pee hay ward hai" originally was coined in North Waziristan by PTM. After 22nd Feb ouster the slogan became widely popular.
Exactly, he is either not aware or trying to build a narrative. Imran khan never used this sentence.
It is just that you are 1st umpire, 2nd umpire, 3rd umpire, 4th umpire and still manage DRS 😂. SG thatha swag!
‘Rigged election’- yet another lesson for some of our politicians who doubt EVMs and want to go back to paper ballots 😂
Manner in which mayor poll was manipulated in Chandigarh is also of grave concern ! India under BJP is no longer a democracy but electoral autocracy.. Before we blame Pakistan, let's not forget how minorities are marginalized in India!
@@shabirbaba8190 - you mean minorities in Pak enjoy huge privileges and treated on a par with their Muslim brethren.
@@pichumanisankar2617 y we are discussing pakistan.their country their problems..We must make efforts to ease our suffering rather than beating around the bush!
@@shabirbaba8190Mayor poll was with ballots, right?
@@shabirbaba8190 I am with you brother, we must concentrate on our problems first. Let me tell something first before anyone label me Anti BJP. I have voted for BJP in all the elections but i see some troubling mindset of people. I see these days there is Less tolerance towards other religions, faiths and languages. Getting labled as Anti India if anyone doesn't agree with BJP views and ideology, Politicans openly threatens to bulldoze the houses of people disregarding the constitution and Law. Yes there is development and india is progressing at rapid pace but we shouldn't forget the philosophy on which this country is build "Live and let Live".
Ps: Let's keep the chat clean without any name calling. Always open for constructive criticism.
Imran khan in 2013 said.
My voter is young.
Pakistani young voter is much mature than old.
He dared to come out.
What you see odds is due to young voter.
Thanks for better and factual analysis as compared to other Indian media.
The ruth is Sir that in 1947 only one part of the Subcontinent won freedom. A part of the Subcontinent went into the clutches of Decoites that are known as Pakistan army. Only in 1971 another part of the Subcontinent was able to get its liberation from the clutches of these generals. This time, though soft, the people of Pakistan have tried to win their independence. The poverty ridden people cannot do much against 700,000 guns in the hands of Asim Munir, the chief of plunderers.
Is it just me or do you all think that this video could've got over in 15 minutes? So many instances where the host repeated the same sentence a billion times.
I feel he does this in every video. Repeats same thing many times
yup he repeats the same thing with different sentences but i think its his way of explaning things but what suprised me is the editing of this video it ends abruptly mid sentence.
SG has the knack of taking a half hour and still not saying anything. But his hand motions are a bonus.
I think it's because he has pointers to talk to but not an exact script. It's natural.
He does it deliberately ,because his audience in his country,do not understand in one go😂😂
Being a Pakistani, I confirm that the video is based on ground facts 😢❤
Civilians= All responsibility but no power
Army = All power but no responsibility
It's like the dual government of east India company in bengal
I think you should guide your government how to deal with Manipur and khalistan and Muslim killed on the name on Jai Shree ram and not saying jai hind you should guide them they are people's if your country
@@zmalik1205you should also guide muslim to accept past mistakes by islamic invaders distroyed 40000 temples and killed so many hindus.... converted in name of jihad...but you guys don't want to accept the truth..... don't want UCC in name of jihad...one nation one rule..... this is india not Pakistan this land of sanatan dharm so follow rules according to it.... otherwise go to Pakistan.....congress played muslim appeasement politics but no more....parsi,Jews,jain, buddhiam are micro minority but they don't have any problem...but muslims always want play victim card just like owaisi.... khalistan was congress mistake in 1984 but modi is blamed for everything...and others country take these loopholes to distroy unity of india like isi,cia,... first learn what was Manipur issue than comment....now it's also coming under control...but you some jihadi muslims always find negative in everything..... shouting 5 times in a day that allah is only true god and all other are kaffir that is allowed but if someone says jai shree ram then you guys don't have guts to listen...throw stones...mob lunching... playing Islamophobia card..... just don't teach us what is going in India...next term modi is going set all you jihadi muslims to follow constitution of India.....UCC,nrc is going to come.....cry jihadi muslims... .
Muslims got pakistan, they should leave for pakistan. @@zmalik1205
Thanks for providing truth to the world about Imran Khan
Your words mean alot to me
Love❤❤ from Pakistan
Remember they finished off all minorities including H, C, B, J, Sikhs .. everybody. But in India, our "seculars" want minorities to get extra benefits. The M population has grown from 35m 1951 to 220m tofay. So this is the logic, "where I am in majority, finish off everyone else, where I am in minority, ask for special minority rights" and do victim pr.
If u don't like liberal policies why all gujjus and Hindu randians dream to settle in west ?
The videos indicating rigging should be shown to those leaders in India who advocate for elections through Ballot papers.
They are aware of it...and that is exactly why they want ballot voting... otherwise they know they can't win...😂😂
What a lame excuse man
Its the system which matters , free election can be conducted through ballot papers (in western countries as well as India had the system too) and fraud can be done even through the EVM
It's true even for vice versa ,
@@abhinavpatni78 all they want is to get the vvpat added along with EVM. It's a fair demand to be unbiased.
Thank you for posting time stamps and allowing chapters in the video ! Appreciate taking the suggestions into actions
Shame that Burkha Datta is not covering Pakistani elections!
Didn’t you watch her video with Wajahat S Khan?
Moye Moye Banana Republic version 🤣☝️😝
A CTC on Putin's recent interview with Tucker Carlson would be great.
+1
Watch the triggernometry breakdown of the interview by konstantin kissin. Very on point.
+ 1 trillion!!
@@IndianArmaSad that we don't have an Indian equivalent for Konstantin
Imran Khan Niazi should be the PM of Pak!!.....it's in India's interest....he keeps the country in shambles and army at disarray and not to forget the death of already collapsed economy under him!!....wishing him all the best!!
As if india economy which dependent upon nri remittance and with lowest per capita pdg is very good...
@@manisherande4568 much better than pakistan. Atleast you are not in atta line. Now go and do pappu bhakti
@@manisherande4568😂 get a job and u will not have to read all the poor people your tax is funding
Remittances make up only ~3% of India's GDP. Educate yourself.@@manisherande4568
The difference between Pakistan and India's Per Capita GDP was only ~$100 in 2014. Today it is more than $1200.@@manisherande4568
Imran Khan Batted Well !! Century 🏏
A century in jail is too much...
Every country has an Army, but in the case of Pakistan, the Army has a country.
This country was doomed from day one when they threw out the, rich, educated, prosperous and benevolent Hindus and Sikhs from areas which are called Paxtaan today.
I don't know of any country called "Paxtaan," but I do agree that any country that ignores its minorities or persecutes them pays a heavy price in loss of talented and intelligent people. That applies to all countries everywhere.
@@ahmedakhan1Ya apply that first yourself, then all your problems might get solved, but that's just fantasy
What you will say about Muslims who were killed in your fucking areas those are minorities than Hindus thats why or all Hindus are just alpha humans on earth
First apply on your own and mind your fucking on business in your country
@@ahmedakhan1and the real minorities of India are Parsis, Jews, Jains and Sikhs. They are thrive in Hindu majority India. They are the most prosperous community in the country
Pakistan needs honest judges, rule of law, human rights and democracy ☺️☺️☺️
I am soooo proud of my nation who stood out for their rights in spite of all the oppression and in justice- Salute to the people of Pakistan 🇵🇰❤️❤️❤️
Just that it took 75years. Still it went in vain . At the end Establishment will only rule ur country.
@@ajithreddy1987 Baga cheppav anna.
Its allah's will that imran con is in jail, takbir!
Everything is Allah will 😂 This why your country is the way it is.
ahhh..SG's favourite topic :p ...Pakistan, Army and Imran
Aman ki tamasha (at the cost of Indians) brigade
At 7:02 I think the Maulana's party's vote share has gone to PTI members rather than lack of appeal to Islamic parties because Imran represents the conservative Islam of the three parties. and voters would have consolidated their vote by voting to the PTI independents.
Na, religion on backseat unless its mob lynching
A pyrrhic victory for the Pakistani military establishment.
This election is not the end of the story for Pakistan, but it's just the beginning of more fights to come .
Part 2 of the drama will be fun to watch
You have been extraordinarily generous this week. Two National Intetest videos. And an extra cut the clutter on a National Interest day. 🙏🙏🙏
Corruption level in the army is too high,does the army has me country at heart
Thanks! Love your analysis and stories you pick
Dear Lokesh,
Glad to know that you love our Cut The Clutter series. Thank you for contributing.
In the history of Pakistan this institute never ever won war against enemie but they never lost any war against their own people
Actually they did, against Bangladesh
CTC for East please: "Instability in Myanmar, Influence on NE & Intention of Indian inaction/action"
A pyrrhic victory for Pakistani Punjabi Mussalman Army
Abey Punjabis have voted for pti meaning it has voted against establishment same like they did back in 2018 as well.Baqi Army doesn't consist of punjabis only as around 25,30% are pukhtuns not to mention other communities.
Great analysis.
I think the Pakistan got exactly what they wanted! They never wanted any single party to have majority, however wanted Nawaz as the PM. Now they can stitch up an alliance of PMLN, PPP and few independants so Pakistan Army can dissolve a noncompliant government anytime in future.
The new ad before ur videos is so irritating.
Why don't you fund them then, they will stop playing it
@@PS-ug7nm of course you a genius. The moment I pay them the ad will disappear? And what makes u think not already paying.
If I remember correctly, Imran Khan mentioned that he would push for a repeat of 1971 style independence if he was not elected as PM. Now I wonder if he will follow through with it.
He never said anything like this…
He said that the Amy is doing same as 1970a not he is gonna repeat it
😂😂
Lol. Tumhara khwaab khwaab reh jai ga. Keep dreaming. He never said that. If it were upto him, he would work towards making things better with Bangladesh and reunion. That's his vision
He never said that . He said army is repeating the same thing. You misunderstood.
Excellent analysis. Respect from Pakistan.
Can you please cite the Dawn's article?
Video has been cut abruptly Where is the rest of the portion?
Shekhar Coupta's, @The Print & Congress/INDI alliance crooks love for Pakistan & Pakistanis here or there is amazing ;))!!
Informative talk you about election politics of Pakistan
Pakistan Nation stands strongly with our great leader beloved PM Imran Khan 🇵🇰
I feel the general public who in their religiously motivated agenda helped army gain absolute control dont get enough blame
Pakistan army lost every war but won every election 😂
Very well presented
Imran Khan has been in jail for the last six months. He was given a sentence of 31 years; his deputy Qureshi was also sentenced to 10 years. The top PTI leadership is in jail. The PTI Election symbol was removed from the ballot papers. Political rallies for the PTI election campaign were not permitted, election nominations were snatched from candidates, many candidates were arrested after all elections results were stopped as PTI was winning, and election officials are changing results in favor of Nawaz's party.
The tax payers didn't get benefits of Ayushman Bharat scheme while who don't pay single penny get insurance of 5 lakh rupees. My mother is retired from up state government as teacher. She is suffering from cancer which need major surgery and medication. After paying so much of tax thoughout the life she don't get cover under ayush man bharat. At least medical is basic human right. Government should look into the matter as whole life savings are already gone in treatment.
BJP cares for Plutocrats only
UP government teacher retaired will have state insurance... My grandfather was UP Government Teacher now retaired... My grandmother gets insurance from state because of him... I would suggest you please check... Just incase you have insurance and struggling when you don't need to... All the best to your mom... Hope she has a speady recovery...🙏🏽🙏🏽
@@The.Baggage.Bro.2 I tired in the pension department kanpur. They told nothing like this exists. I will recheck again. Thank you for guidence.
It won't be under Ayushman Bharat... It will be under the government's group policy... Maybe that's why they didn't find it... Alternatively... May I request you to raise your concern on PMOPG and CMOPG grievance portal ASAP... You get good assistance from the government at a reasonable timeline... It's helped me a lot on countless occasions... These are grievance redressal portals of PMO and CMO respectively... And respond to public grievances quite well...
@@manishtripathi7050 most probably she is covered under basic group health insurance policy for teachers... ( UP government program) may vary for different states... All the best brother...😊
Someone can make a good motivational movie on the struggle Imran Khan party backed candidates put in is astounding despite being all hurdle. The whole system which incl politicians, journalists, judiciary, administration and most powerful Pak Army stand against Imran Khan and his party. It's just unbelievable
But I don't think IK is good for the future of your country right.If he gets power there will be more infighting.Do people like him because of armys actions ironically?
Soon imran will be disappeared... Pak army gonna crush him
Pak Army*
A country that has not won a single war is the last thing to be "Most powerful"
Accepted he is the most popular leader but going by his past record he wont be good for Pak...i fear he will be worse...jus bestow him all the powers n see the blunders he will commit
@@kirannejakar4271 I partially agreed with you but I see only Imran Khan can fix the Pak powerful army in the current available politicians. The way he managed all their tactics (as mentioned in 1st comment) before election, was amazing. Usually, most of the mainstream politicians surrender before Army with such tactics, but instead Imran Khan and his party fight back. Let's see...
Your analysis was very good. Thanks. 🙋♀️
As someone who closely followed these events. I thank you for a great analysis.
Most excellent analysis, excellent work.
Wonderful
Being a Pakistani, I can confirm this young old man is telling the truth. ❤
💯 agree with you.
The Indians concern over Pakistani Army makes us realise how important is our brave Army 🇵🇰❤️
We are concerned because you guys are a bunch of dumbfucks who will start a senseless war over some bullshit claim and hinder our attempts at economic growth. 🤦🏻
Your country doesn't have much to lose. All your elite class people have dual citizenship and don't give a fuck about Pakistan. Your country has been a circus run by the Army and it's stooge politicians.
India is on a very different journey and it's hard for Pakistanis to fathom that.
Excellent analysis of current situation. Thankyou for spreading the truth
Imran Khan is the only True Leader of Pakistan.we love him❤️💖🩷
very much fair and excellent anaylises and truth
As an Indian, I'm also rooting for Imran Khan
Better he comes to power and advances the self destruction of Pak
This has indeed happened before with sheikh mujib in thr formation of Bangladesh.
Its too dam similar.
Can you please share the sources on the numbers on voters (first time voters, 50% being 18-35 years old)? Thank you
Good reporting
Credit goes to Imran Khan, who gave awareness of lots of hidden things to people of Pakistan. If they do free and fare elections, PTI could easily 202 out of 262 seats. People of Pakistan realized their mistakes they had done in the past. It's good to see that people are more educated now.
Mr Gupta - do you have guts to talk about 20% EVM manipulation done by leading political analyst in 2014 and the subsequent elections by ruling party
Why such an abrupt end to the episode?
Thank you for the Honest analysis
No matter what people think army decides for pakistan.
Rigging is a norm. There is always a favourite and a targeted in every election. Only difference is that targeted punched back harder than anyone did before.
Nice and very true review on Pakistani politics.
Its so painful to experience and see that Indians were right about our Army, we are taught fake history of 1965, 1971, etc in schools
What was that abrupt ending?
Pakistani Army interference in Pakistan Election Shame Shame Chief of Staff No credibility?!
Great great great great great great analysis. I am from Pakistan but i think we dont have any scholar in our country who can conclude our politics like you
Pti elected mp can choose any party who have submitted reserve list before the election or who atleast contested one women candidature . Thus if all Mp decide to join one party than in such case they can submit list for reserve seats .please clarify shekhar
Exactly 💯
I love the hand movements
💯 Agree
Thanks for the great overview of the election!
I sincerely Salute you, Dear Sir.
Shekhar you used that line "ye jo dehshatgardi hai........" that line wasn't used by pti supporters but it was actually used by Nawaz league leaders and its supporters. Please spill the whole truth
People of Pakistan has learned who is their real enemy, and it's not sitting in Delhi, it's in Rawalpindi.
PTI won 182 seats including the seat of Nawaz Sharif, Maryam, Shahbaz, almost the entire PDM face.
PTI won 180/265 seats. It's 2/3 majority as predicted by Imran Khan months before polls.
Leader in jail, no election symbol, rallies not allowed, workers tortured and jailed indefinitely, massive pre-poll rigging, still people came out and voted against the stinking system, establishment, and their puppets. This is the power of vote, this is how people speak, this is the strength of youth. They messed with the wrong generation. Until now, we only saw this in bollywood movies, but people of Pakistan have definitely materialized the concept that your vote can change your destiny. It is the moment to take pride being a Pakistani. My people have caused shockwaves across the power corridors. We've won this battle.
It is high time for the establishment to take a step back and allow PTI to form a government to avoid further chaos in the country. Hope the sense prevails. Doesn't matter how long it'll take, eventually the PEOPLE would win.
Sekhar, no episode on the latest mood of the nation ??
Why did it end abruptly?
last part got cut out
IMRAN KHAN VS WHOLE MAFIOSO FACTION !!
Maulana Fazul Rehmans lost party lost because he was branded Maulana diesel. 😂
Just a correction: Total independents from PTI won 179 seats as per form 45, overnight military reduced these seats to around 90 something.
Pak military establishment led by a religious army chief Gen Munir left the election outcome to ALLAH, AHMADULLAH, MAASHALLAH, ALLAH KI FASAL SE....While he was busy shifting billions of $$$ to his retirement fund....😄😄