@@YokaiSteveI've won every single 1v1 against cap as strange without doing the reloading early thing. I'm pretty damn tired but, man, cap needs that cooldown removed
@@thelastskywalker437 I did watch the video I was saying if they are listing each one for people who don’t want to watch the full thing they could add the tier each character was given by TeamCaptain. Edit: In this situation the proper spelling is choose not chose.
I think Magik is high B. Issue with Magik is that her passive incentivizes her to play frontline but she gets shredded so easily because her base HP is too low and she doesn't have any means of mitigating incoming damage. If you want to play flanker you would just play Black Panther or Spider-Man instead, at least they have the super high mobility that makes it easy for them to get in and out. Magik is in this awkward spot where she feels like she wants to be both a flanking assasin and a frontlining DPS and just ends up "decent" at both but never really "strong" in either of them.
True and also her demon minion ability is literally useless in most cases, magik’s kit is just badly put together…she struggles alone and is also bad at offense. Honestly I think she should have been a tank or at least have better limbo abilities then just using it for escaping
@@videogames2339you use the demon minion as an area denial. You can use it to block off narrow pathway, when you're escaping, or when you're fighting another melee character
@@videogames2339 her demon is the best way to burst someone not paying attention. It not only forces someone into limited movements (which makes it easier to uppercut , but it’s DPS is pretty good all things considered
Yeah, tierlists at this point of the game are pretty useless for the most part. People bashed hulk for weeks and then suddenly everyone now agrees he's good, these lists are lowkey irrelevant, it's too early.
@@Yiulias To bad fair, it's not even *that* early. People have thousands of games at this point, that should be more than enough for a meta to develop and consensus to form. The fact that it hasn't, speaks to just how balanced the heroes are numbers wise, and how skill reliant the majority of them are. (Except Hela, fuck that character, nerf pls)
@@Yiulias For weeks? More like Hulk was dog in the beta, then more people tried him and within the first week people were already using him and finding how to make him work and even now Hulk is mainly used for his TeamUp and not because he himself is god tier.
@@scotttimbrell8632 Go watch the first tierlists of high elo players, HULK is like mid-low tier in all of them, people defo changed their mind recently about thim
i agree with every single thing on this list. my only gripe is that most tanks ended up in B. i think groot deserves A, a good groot player can carry but i feel he takes more awareness to do so.
Groot vs Ironman matchup is quite hard. Especially if they have lots of high mobility characters/abuse angles. His low mobility is probably what puts him in low B; as the way he is now he's got great health, good sustain, ability to wall off low, okay poke damage, good brawl damage which is quite respectable for a tank. In higher ranks those walls get bursted in no time. I think the problem with the other tanks Venom/Peni is that they are big ult batteries. If venom leaps in and gets burned by a coordinated team, even if he lives he just fed a whopping amount of ult charge to the team. Peni is great for locking down a point but if they shoot her nest she's a big ult battery as well.
@@TrashTierStellaris As a groot player ironman is definitely one of his worse matchups (also wolverine) Normally if my dps is shit I just lock in and hard carry but with Iron man I have to drop everything Im doing to look up and snipe him. But in general iron man is only really a problem when your dps are mouth breathers. His biggest issue really is his mobility but with how much I can do I feel like its fair
@@TrashTierStellaris on convoy when pushing the cart on yggsard groot has literally a spot on every checkpoint where he can block the enemy team from regrouping
It really doesn't need it. Genji deflect feels like ass because your teammates can kill you. It needs huge quality of life buffs but you shouldn't be able to accurately deflect it unless it's an Ironman teamup with laser.
dang finally someone who understands jeffs potential brotha, like jeff is effectively immortal even in some 2v1 situations in GM. I've literally ate both tanks on klyntar moved them away from the team and 2v1'd them while they were left trying to regroup with their team, i felt so bad but it had to be done. The only things i truly struggle with is Ironman when he is left uncheck because if he is flying and i eat his team even at full health if his tracking is remotely good he will beam me down in 5 seconds and if he has team up its actually cooked. Other than that i will unapologetically skill check every flanker to know if i can just ignore you or if i have to deal with you lol
I genuinely think healing underground has ruined him as a character. It's made him completely unkillable. In the beta he was good, he did a lot of heals, his bubbles did what they did and then they buffed his dive and bubbles extremely and has now lost his skill expression.
The fun thing about tier lists is that IMO, any one character can be made to work with skill. For example, the other night I ran into a Black Widow who killed me (a tank) not by sniping, but by using her ult to stick me in place while my support retreats. Now, I think she still is awful compared to Hawkeye, but because no one plays him, I was totally caught off guard by someone utilizing that ult well.
I don't understand. She did nothing the entire game, Ult'd you and your 1 alone support and instead of healing you they were running away? Are you like Bronze or QP or something cus any competent player on an average level would understand multiple reasons to how that shouldn't outcome in your death. 1 of which is being scared of an ult that ultimately is a small slow field.
@@scotttimbrell8632 Never said I was scared of it, Scotty. And she did more than that (she was playing pretty defensively!) but when you're a slow tank on the front line, sometimes being unable to retreat with the rest of your team in the face of a solid enemy push is enough to spell your doom. It's still solidly the worst ult in the game, but I guess it's got a use case.
Loki Diamond player here. I think Lokis greatest asset is that he can heal everyone nearly instantly with his healing field. I had so many moments where my tanks were nearly dead but could heal them instantly. Or I can counter most ults with my field. All ults that does not kill instantly for excample somebody like psylocke or just if a Dps attacks our backline. I can if needed use my field to safe my other healer. But I can see your point healing somebody is really exhausting and can be hard if they are far away or in the sky. His healing shots are not very fast.
My problem with using loki is I feel like I have to be constantly aware of everything going on and preplan a lot with the clones. I’ve had amazing games where I could cheese with double Luna ult or force a lot of flank/diver players like spiderman and psylocke to switch. Unfortunately solo queuing with him is terrible. I’ve been hard countered by moon knight because nobody shoots the ankhs, iron man because my dps teammates for some reason have terrible aim, etc. it’s very annoying to try to use him when your team doesn’t want to actually work with you, especially when they run away from my healing or ignore the clones that I set up with the runes.
Only thing Loki is good for is that field. It's like Bap, without his immortality he is 90% more useless. His heals are inconsistent, reliant on amazing placement or bad enemies and that's all he does.
@@scottr.7775 Great, so my 3 dps will chunk your team down and win duels against your dps and then win the 5v6 and then the 4v6 and then the 4v6, while my supports continue to also beat the duelists cus they dont lose damage, and Wolv is inherently worse because his damage vs anyone that isnt a tank is way lower and thus swapping off tank has reduced his effectiveness.
@@JayceCH. It's just how the gamers adapt to the field. I'm sorry your iron fist refuses to switch even though he's 1-15 but there's no way I'm going 2/3 tanks against a good wolverine.
3:54 100% agree as a former genji main, the best feeling ever was reflecting longrange widdow snipes and actually headshotting them better than they can was just unmatched by any other game
The problem with BP is that his shift bug means he just ints sometimes and it isn't his fault. That shit just doesn't reset sometimes even though they clearly have a mark and clearly take damage from your dash. It's so unfun to deal with that shit.
without my bias this is maybe the best tier list on youtube I will make my own but this is quite literally the best video for people to watch good information throughout the whole video
@@KillJaredidk, Hulk’s team shield is really good and a lot better to use. Venom doesn’t add much to the team and Groot’s walls are situational. Both can be better at certain situations but hulk has a better risk reward ratio.
Namor sucks and main reason is because of his pointless water bubble that he uses, it gives aways his position. Black panther is way better than him. The only good thing namor has is the little octo turrets which you can destroy easily before being targetedif you’re a good player.
@@videogames2339 hey if you go into settings you can make namor's bubble be a hold to cast and just tapping it will give you a good second of invuln whilst also being literally instant its cool tech
@@videogames2339 namor is broken lmao, one of the highest damage chars in the game easily. Also counters spidy so hard that hes literally unplayable into ANY namor
Magik only has like 2 combos but yeah you gotta use every ability to "one shot" someone and if you miss your uppercut or they survive because of some extra hp then you can get turned on very fast meanwhile Black panther and Psylocke can do more damage and still get out. She either needs more base hp or some way to refresh her uppercut dash on kill or something and she will 1v9
she needs vertical teleport and invulnerability when you ulti . and yeah her dash should reset per takedown if you do it in like 5 second or something .
@@andrei-cezarbleaje5519I think the reset suggestion should be ult exclusive. If you gave her that in her base form she would be legit un fun to play against.
I actually do think it's hilarious how horribly wrong most of the tier lists from overwatch players were. (That were then used in all the clickbait articles) Cause they are trying to play every character like it's overwatch and judging it based on that. More just hilarious how caught off guard many people were by how strong the supposed worst characters in the game are.,
10:00 The change Hela needs is that when she ults and you kill her in ult form, she should die. The fact it just resets her to the ground is broke as fuck. If she had to be worried about people just targeting her during ult then it'd change the play style a little and make her a bit less oppressive.
ALSO, im glad to see someone point out how insane jeff is, even though it was low elo(we all had to start in bronze), ive seen jeffs play the exact way you described, and there was no way you were killing them. i hope they nerf alot of that on him cuz they clearly over buffed him after his release in beta imo
I absolutely love it when a new game comes out and when the spotlight is on emerging top players they take advantage of the situation. Something similar to what happened with Dizzy and Apex. It's magical. #LOGANG
The other thing about hulk is that he can give multiple shield BUBBLES. And if black panther dashes through a bubbled enemy, he doesn’t get his dash reset.
@@gaodesu_ His bubble shields can also block some ults like Jeff. If you're really good at Hulk you can even use his proper ult to jump in front of certain ults, transform, and bodyblock while invulnerable. Like you can genuinely jump in front of Iron Man pulse and ult to completely negate it. Or if you hear a Dr. Strange start channeling his ult, start yours and then bubble your team so they don't get hurt, and start smacking Strange away from them so he can't use his E to nuke them.
its not a bad move but the problem is that most of the time good hulk users will not be with their team too often, from what i've seen a good hulk user will dive to where the squishies are (most of the time supports) kill 2-3 of them, and then jump back to get healing, repeat, on a somewhat unrelated note i think his ult is mediocre at best, good in concept, low cooldowns, really good damage, good range and hitbox, but its not good in practice because it lasts like 8 seconds, it needs a timer buff, make it like 15 seconds.
She just bad, face it. I have a feeling that she was one of the very first characters, and by the time they finished their roster she was already outdated. Like for example she have enhanced melee stance but how often you actually switch to batons in realistic scenario? By the time they were making moon knight they realized it was a bad idea and gave him same enhanced mele activated by simple pressing melee button. She definitely will be reworked soon.
@@Steir12she’s bad because she doesn’t have any good tools and has a very basic kit. Her skill cap is pretty high due to headshot capability, but even then the reward require too much risk and skill that not even the top players can reliably get.
"I only have 15 minutes to finish this!!!!" (15 minutes later) "Whew, got it done. Wait, it's in another hour?" That is SUCH a mood. It's either that or you think you have an hour and it turns out to be 15 minutes. 😆
Magik genuinely has nothing going for her over other duelists, long cooldowns with no resets her R-click has no AoE, she’s squishy, slow has no vertical mobility, her melee attacks have damage falloff??? her portals make her invincible for 1 frame but tell enemies exactly where she’s going to come out and her ult is squishy, not immune to CC and self stuns her. 15:42
I have not even played Marvel Rivals but watching this shit makes me want to go play, bro you are insane.. Such a bad ass video.. Those guys were tilting hard.
You know what, when I first saw TC wolverine videos popping up it was a meme bc everyone including myself thought he was beyond dog water in this game. After seeing someone optimize him, he is actually top tier lol TC is actually ahead of his time
20:13 I'm a Rocket main with horrible aim, so I'm usually prioritizing targets that don't move, this means Ankhs, Loki clones, Namor squids, Peni spiders, you name it.
If you've seen the Cap America gameplay from ZBRA you can tell hes only a small buff away from A tier. Buff the shield in some way, make it bigger or make it so you can aim the projectiles, and make the slam a little easier to hit with a tiny bit mor damage and that character is a menace
I think something to note about groot is that he's a giant hitbox with a ton of health. So he feeds the enemy team a TON of ultimate, and soaks up a lot of healing to stay alive.
Only his iron wall has much durability, and that has a long cooldown. It grants shields when you do damage though, so I often place it sideways near my team instead of blocking my own team's skill shots and my own shield gain while it's up...
the capt deflect being random is intentional. Else every team will just have 1 capt and prepare to return a big projectile Namur is actually broken. Backline divers cant even sustain 1v1 against him most of the time
The problem with allowing Captain America to aim deflected projectiles is that characters like Hela, Mantis and Punisher would kill themselves before breaking his shield.
I play captain america, and i find some weird things with him. for example. There's a blue hologram on one map that you can walk and jump through, and cap's shield slam ability gets stopped by it. hope that just gets fixed with more people talking about it. I've already reported it. If your ping goes above 100, u need to be pretty much inside enemy hitbox if they're moving away from you, even sprint spamming. I think it's weird too that you can't aim his shield deflects too. His stun should be on the shield throw, not the shield slam from the air, which has a bunch of awkward problems with it. his stun knocks people up into the air. With the game stuck at a default of like 65 FOV they go half off the screen, this is shit for melee players. i saw one captain america player doing the shield slam and then jumping to follow up with the attack, other tanks don't have to do parkour to follow up with their own stuns. playing captain america it feels like i have to try harder to do the same thing that other characters can do.
I really hope they take a look into buffing Thor’s ult I think increasing the air movement speed and making it less CC able would make him a strong A tier
"He can 1shot kill in 2 hits"... I genuinely believe the term 1shot has reached that point where it's been thrown around so nonchalantly that it's lost its meaning. And that's remarkable cause its meaning is pretty damn straightforward.
Wild you value rocket so low I've solo you plenty of times as rocket.. Also I've carried you when you dive so much, Rocket is one of the best healers for dive when they dont have snowflake on them. you can bounce around corners up things, like you said best team up in the game. Placing Adam above Rocket is a crazy choice Adam is good when you're losing for an ult, Rocket rezz is passive his armor that he gives out is also really good and he 2nd hardest healer to kill behind Jeff. Your tier list is for like below diamond. Rocket value skyROCKETS with Hela/HW banned with Punisher and WS, he also just straight up the best brawler healer.
With respect... im tired of these tierlists from perspectives of people who dont play or understand the characters. This is how we had a good game like Overwatch go to shit because we had unnecessary balance changes because people who didnt understand the characters complained rather then learn to play them AND learn to counterplay them. And im not saying just practice them or play them in some low elo matchups. Actually learn HOW to get value, and then work and perfecting it. Once all thats said and done then a actually decent tierlist can be said. But til then all of these tierlists are crazy biased and halfassed and im tired of clicking on them expecting different out of respect for the creator. There are crazy Iron Fist players like you are a Wolverine player. Magik is crazy strong. And i think if you played them, learned their combos, as a Wolverine player, you already have the mentality of how to play them, you would see that these two specifically are very strong, much stronger then Spiderman who has an incredibly high skill ceiling to get any value in GM and higher but you placed him in A.... lol.... Shit, even Squirrel Girl is a lot stronger then stated. Her ult isnt a junkrat all but with her kit you can spam a capture ability like every 3-6 seconds or something crazy and destroy their backline. Her damage isnt anything to sneeze on. Her projectile speed and size is crazy good and she can demolish a Strange shield (everyone's favorite tank to play because people suck at counterplay atm) and leave their team defenseless. And i know it is all based on your opinion, im just saying no understanding how to get value off the characters because you havent played them seen someone show you how its done just make these tierlists feel gross. Like Necros first tierlist that you quickly made him regret posting when you showed Wolverine off. I just really hope that wait a long time to balance patch this game. Nothing is broken except hitscan Hela atm. Everything else is fair, including oneshot HawkEye.
As someone who loves Cap a lot, I think all Cap needs is a bit more damage (I can do without though if I have to), no cooldown on the shield, if I have shield health just let me drop and put it back up as much as I want, and as you suggested the aimed deflection would be awesome. Would really give him a unique but strong harassment ability.
It's very hard to take this tier list seriously after he ranked Jeff based on the very few high-ranking players, then said the same thing about Loki that he's strong in the right hands, but deliberately ranked him B instead of A because of his "overall" character power. (No, I'm not a Loki player.)
iron fist has been growing on me. I don’t think he’s meant to be a back line flanker character like everyone plays him. Stick with your tank and you go in and out and self heal and eventually you’ll get that break where you wipe multiple enemies
Hela should be a short range gun character. Shit her right click right now feels so dissociated with the rest of her kit. Instead of a high mobility high burst short range dps we got overwatch beta mccree.
nah, the right click on hela is good if u think of it as util. venoms in particular, u hit as many as u can while hes almost low enough to use his armor and then hit a hs (easy as hell if hes in ur face) and the hs and right click do so much burst together that often u'll kill him before he even armors. same for mag, if hes low and tries to bulwark out for heals he dies if u hit him with it before he bubbled. also her suck cancels certain ults so i dont think they need to "add to the rest of her kit and nerf the broken parts" i think once the seasonal bonus goes away, hawkeye and hela will be solid but not broken. (more hela, hawkey might be pretty weak and only useful as a tank buster or finishing already low targets) also i bet black widow gets a damage boost as the next seasonal buff.
I think there are too many abilities that prevent CC. Jeff diving prevents him from being pulled, if i am not mistaken, Luna ult makes her invulnurable to status effects, Mantis just doesn't care, Namor Bubble also let him move around indefinitelly. All these combined make some abilities\ults a lot lower in terms of power than should be, like Groot's Ult. In any team game an ability to bunch up people should be an S tier, due to combo potential, but because of all the other mechanics overriding it, it's between B and A tier. Not to mention that his ult has animation time and travel time, while Mantis and Luna ults are instant. Strange and Magneto simply block hit ult out of existence, because it's a projectile. They should just make it collide and pull people anyway.
Hela’s right click isn’t that bad, I start a fight off with that sometimes and get them low with the basic attack, if they try escaping they’re dead or if I get them low I can just leave them alone and move onto the next target whilst the one is guaranteed to die.
Its wierd that when I played Wolverine I thought It was Nice, but I believed in the tier lists from beta (edit: beta testers tho kkk) players, and now I trying him again, oh boy, once you get used too his skills range you becomes a Monsters.
Magik can be crazy in low elo. I'm really not sure what elo I'm in because I've mostly played QP. I'm a Magneto enjoyer, and I watched a Magik single handedly hold the enemy team in Yggsgard spawn while hitting her with bubbles for nearly 2 minutes. They never touched the cart.
No dis but low elo really doesn't matter. You can play just about any character if you're a good player in low elo or QP and win. Higher elo is where you really start to see characters break down
I only played today for the first time, seems to me these tiers will really come into play in very competitive games. The skill level of the average player seems to be VERY LOW right now. I only tried a few characters but I was doing work with Scarlet Witch. I can see how her ultimate can be canceled by enemies but 95% of players aren't smart enough to do it right nowà
Cap needs that 1 second cooldown REMOVED from lowering and lifting his shield, along with the deflecting change
without it he can animation cancel his melee attacks and half his time to kill
@@benedri9871 non sense, he should be able to do the same as strange, he doesn't cancel anything
@@Reverend_Mohg He actual does cancel animations with shield block. Such as his shield toss and melee attacks
@@benedri9871Dr strange can do it so...
@@YokaiSteveI've won every single 1v1 against cap as strange without doing the reloading early thing. I'm pretty damn tired but, man, cap needs that cooldown removed
30:31 full tier list ranks
0:24 Adam Warlock
1:07 Black Panther
1:37 BLack Widow
2:31 Hulk
3:31 Captain America
4:35 Cloak and Dagger
6:26 Dc. Strange
7:03 Groot
7:59 Hawkeye
8:57 Hela
10:34 Iron Fist
11:11 Iron Man
12:01 Jeff The Land Shark
13:05 Loki
15:10 Luna Snow
15:33 Magik
16:52 Magneto
18:03 Mantis
19:55 Moon Knight
20:55 Namor
22:02 Penny Parker
23:48 Psylocke
24:20 Punisher
25:00 Rocket Raccoon
25:33 Scarlet Witch
27:08 The Almost Amazing Spider-man
27:44 Squirrel Girl
28:21 Starlord
28:30 Storm
28:45 Thor
28:57 Venom
29:21 Winter Soldier
30:07 Wolverine
You should add what rank each was given beside their names
@@Ploomior you could click them and support the video you chose?
@@thelastskywalker437 I did watch the video I was saying if they are listing each one for people who don’t want to watch the full thing they could add the tier each character was given by TeamCaptain.
Edit: In this situation the proper spelling is choose not chose.
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Hella being able to revive a Thor and loki is absolutely nuts.
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she is the Goddess of Death
She doesn't want them in her realm lol.
@@lilywong9672 lol 😆
I think Magik is high B. Issue with Magik is that her passive incentivizes her to play frontline but she gets shredded so easily because her base HP is too low and she doesn't have any means of mitigating incoming damage. If you want to play flanker you would just play Black Panther or Spider-Man instead, at least they have the super high mobility that makes it easy for them to get in and out. Magik is in this awkward spot where she feels like she wants to be both a flanking assasin and a frontlining DPS and just ends up "decent" at both but never really "strong" in either of them.
exactly like how does luna snow have more hp than her
True and also her demon minion ability is literally useless in most cases, magik’s kit is just badly put together…she struggles alone and is also bad at offense. Honestly I think she should have been a tank or at least have better limbo abilities then just using it for escaping
@@videogames2339you use the demon minion as an area denial. You can use it to block off narrow pathway, when you're escaping, or when you're fighting another melee character
@@videogames2339 her demon is the best way to burst someone not paying attention. It not only forces someone into limited movements (which makes it easier to uppercut , but it’s DPS is pretty good all things considered
In plat good magicks are so fcking annoying if they use portal right, you cant burst them when they have 2 invulnerable dashes lol
It's crazy how much different every tierlist is
Yeah, tierlists at this point of the game are pretty useless for the most part. People bashed hulk for weeks and then suddenly everyone now agrees he's good, these lists are lowkey irrelevant, it's too early.
@@Yiulias To bad fair, it's not even *that* early. People have thousands of games at this point, that should be more than enough for a meta to develop and consensus to form. The fact that it hasn't, speaks to just how balanced the heroes are numbers wise, and how skill reliant the majority of them are. (Except Hela, fuck that character, nerf pls)
Kinda agree, Hulk and Iron Fist did a complete 180 on player opinion at least at top level. Can't wait till we're a year in on the meta
@@Yiulias For weeks? More like Hulk was dog in the beta, then more people tried him and within the first week people were already using him and finding how to make him work and even now Hulk is mainly used for his TeamUp and not because he himself is god tier.
@@scotttimbrell8632 Go watch the first tierlists of high elo players, HULK is like mid-low tier in all of them, people defo changed their mind recently about thim
i agree with every single thing on this list. my only gripe is that most tanks ended up in B. i think groot deserves A, a good groot player can carry but i feel he takes more awareness to do so.
Groot vs Ironman matchup is quite hard. Especially if they have lots of high mobility characters/abuse angles. His low mobility is probably what puts him in low B; as the way he is now he's got great health, good sustain, ability to wall off low, okay poke damage, good brawl damage which is quite respectable for a tank. In higher ranks those walls get bursted in no time.
I think the problem with the other tanks Venom/Peni is that they are big ult batteries. If venom leaps in and gets burned by a coordinated team, even if he lives he just fed a whopping amount of ult charge to the team. Peni is great for locking down a point but if they shoot her nest she's a big ult battery as well.
@@TrashTierStellaris As a groot player ironman is definitely one of his worse matchups (also wolverine) Normally if my dps is shit I just lock in and hard carry but with Iron man I have to drop everything Im doing to look up and snipe him. But in general iron man is only really a problem when your dps are mouth breathers. His biggest issue really is his mobility but with how much I can do I feel like its fair
groot definitely deserves A he is the push king
@@KillJared I can see a case for it; wish we had more tanks with a little more in their kit. Groot looks oppressive at times just not in my hands 🥲
@@TrashTierStellaris on convoy when pushing the cart on yggsard groot has literally a spot on every checkpoint where he can block the enemy team from regrouping
Happy that someone else had the idea to make cap shield reflect accurately instead of deflext randomly. If that happens i think hed be really good
It really doesn't need it. Genji deflect feels like ass because your teammates can kill you. It needs huge quality of life buffs but you shouldn't be able to accurately deflect it unless it's an Ironman teamup with laser.
His Shield Throw has tracking, but they gonna make it RNG deflect lmao.
Give him a better shield while we are at it.
dang finally someone who understands jeffs potential brotha, like jeff is effectively immortal even in some 2v1 situations in GM. I've literally ate both tanks on klyntar moved them away from the team and 2v1'd them while they were left trying to regroup with their team, i felt so bad but it had to be done. The only things i truly struggle with is Ironman when he is left uncheck because if he is flying and i eat his team even at full health if his tracking is remotely good he will beam me down in 5 seconds and if he has team up its actually cooked. Other than that i will unapologetically skill check every flanker to know if i can just ignore you or if i have to deal with you lol
Jeff and Rocket are pretty much unkillable. Tiny hitboxes and insane mobility make it so they're almost impossible to kill.
I genuinely think healing underground has ruined him as a character. It's made him completely unkillable. In the beta he was good, he did a lot of heals, his bubbles did what they did and then they buffed his dive and bubbles extremely and has now lost his skill expression.
The fun thing about tier lists is that IMO, any one character can be made to work with skill.
For example, the other night I ran into a Black Widow who killed me (a tank) not by sniping, but by using her ult to stick me in place while my support retreats.
Now, I think she still is awful compared to Hawkeye, but because no one plays him, I was totally caught off guard by someone utilizing that ult well.
He* lol black panther is a guy
@@kurlykrenins Do you *did* help me catch a typo, but now I get to help *you*. I was talking about Hawkeye, not Black Panther, lmao.
I don't understand. She did nothing the entire game, Ult'd you and your 1 alone support and instead of healing you they were running away? Are you like Bronze or QP or something cus any competent player on an average level would understand multiple reasons to how that shouldn't outcome in your death. 1 of which is being scared of an ult that ultimately is a small slow field.
@@scotttimbrell8632 Never said I was scared of it, Scotty. And she did more than that (she was playing pretty defensively!) but when you're a slow tank on the front line, sometimes being unable to retreat with the rest of your team in the face of a solid enemy push is enough to spell your doom.
It's still solidly the worst ult in the game, but I guess it's got a use case.
Loki Diamond player here. I think Lokis greatest asset is that he can heal everyone nearly instantly with his healing field. I had so many moments where my tanks were nearly dead but could heal them instantly. Or I can counter most ults with my field. All ults that does not kill instantly for excample somebody like psylocke or just if a Dps attacks our backline. I can if needed use my field to safe my other healer.
But I can see your point healing somebody is really exhausting and can be hard if they are far away or in the sky. His healing shots are not very fast.
Adam does the same by just pressing E. Loki is definitely underrated, but takes too much work to do imo. I do respect a good Loki player though.
My problem with using loki is I feel like I have to be constantly aware of everything going on and preplan a lot with the clones. I’ve had amazing games where I could cheese with double Luna ult or force a lot of flank/diver players like spiderman and psylocke to switch. Unfortunately solo queuing with him is terrible. I’ve been hard countered by moon knight because nobody shoots the ankhs, iron man because my dps teammates for some reason have terrible aim, etc. it’s very annoying to try to use him when your team doesn’t want to actually work with you, especially when they run away from my healing or ignore the clones that I set up with the runes.
Only thing Loki is good for is that field. It's like Bap, without his immortality he is 90% more useless. His heals are inconsistent, reliant on amazing placement or bad enemies and that's all he does.
Ty Captain, Wolverine is my main now, and im so satisfied in every game! (in every game with a tank :O )
Thank you, you give me a reason to swap off tank and have an excuse to go 3 DPS unironically.
Thank you. You give me a reason for my team to go 3 dps and 3 tank
@@scottr.7775 Great, so my 3 dps will chunk your team down and win duels against your dps and then win the 5v6 and then the 4v6 and then the 4v6, while my supports continue to also beat the duelists cus they dont lose damage, and Wolv is inherently worse because his damage vs anyone that isnt a tank is way lower and thus swapping off tank has reduced his effectiveness.
@@scotttimbrell8632 No way bro is having an imaginary hero shooter battle in his head and letting the world know 😩
@@JayceCH. It's just how the gamers adapt to the field. I'm sorry your iron fist refuses to switch even though he's 1-15 but there's no way I'm going 2/3 tanks against a good wolverine.
3:54 100% agree as a former genji main, the best feeling ever was reflecting longrange widdow snipes and actually headshotting them better than they can was just unmatched by any other game
The problem with BP is that his shift bug means he just ints sometimes and it isn't his fault. That shit just doesn't reset sometimes even though they clearly have a mark and clearly take damage from your dash. It's so unfun to deal with that shit.
without my bias this is maybe the best tier list on youtube I will make my own but this is quite literally the best video for people to watch good information throughout the whole video
Thor , Venom and Groot imo are better than hulk tho
@@KillJaredidk, Hulk’s team shield is really good and a lot better to use. Venom doesn’t add much to the team and Groot’s walls are situational. Both can be better at certain situations but hulk has a better risk reward ratio.
@@tchoythao1730 that makes sense but I feel like Venoms swing adds alot to his survivability
Thank you for putting Namor in S tier. I'm so annoyed when people call Namor and Wolverine D tier characters.
Namor sucks and main reason is because of his pointless water bubble that he uses, it gives aways his position. Black panther is way better than him. The only good thing namor has is the little octo turrets which you can destroy easily before being targetedif you’re a good player.
@@videogames2339 hey if you go into settings you can make namor's bubble be a hold to cast and just tapping it will give you a good second of invuln whilst also being literally instant its cool tech
@@videogames2339 namor is broken lmao, one of the highest damage chars in the game easily. Also counters spidy so hard that hes literally unplayable into ANY namor
@@videogames2339 He counters all dive hero's and he can be healed through his bubble
@@videogames2339Tell me you're bronze without telling me you're bronze:
"You're doing so much effort to do a fraction of the work" As a currently D3 Magik OTP this checks out, the dps Doomfist spirit lives on!
something about your way of speaking and tendencies is so funny and entertaining to me dude
Its the Scottish accent. Based like Logang.
Magik only has like 2 combos but yeah you gotta use every ability to "one shot" someone and if you miss your uppercut or they survive because of some extra hp then you can get turned on very fast meanwhile Black panther and Psylocke can do more damage and still get out. She either needs more base hp or some way to refresh her uppercut dash on kill or something and she will 1v9
she needs vertical teleport and invulnerability when you ulti . and yeah her dash should reset per takedown if you do it in like 5 second or something .
Remove the stun lock at the end of her ultimate and maybe give her 25 more hp. No reason black panther had to be a 300hp character and magik at 250
@@andrei-cezarbleaje5519I think the reset suggestion should be ult exclusive. If you gave her that in her base form she would be legit un fun to play against.
@@SH1NK1R01 agree
Legit played with u today as strange, funny getting you in my recommendations
“He’s the best character in the game and he needs a buff” lol luv it
I actually do think it's hilarious how horribly wrong most of the tier lists from overwatch players were. (That were then used in all the clickbait articles) Cause they are trying to play every character like it's overwatch and judging it based on that. More just hilarious how caught off guard many people were by how strong the supposed worst characters in the game are.,
I think a lot of people didn’t give the game time to simmer and just rushed out their lists to give thoughts and opinions.
@@TeamCaptain001views are more important that a real informative video.
@@NoBrainU of course they are more important, they make money from views. You'd do the same if you were in there spot
tier lists just give good clicks defo alot of rushed tierlists namor was also a sleeper pick on many lists
@@GaeThugg no I wouldn't but I guess you know me more
10:00 The change Hela needs is that when she ults and you kill her in ult form, she should die. The fact it just resets her to the ground is broke as fuck. If she had to be worried about people just targeting her during ult then it'd change the play style a little and make her a bit less oppressive.
For real there’s no down side for her ult
When you want to enter a tournament as the "worst" hero so eagerly that you show up one hour early. Cinema.
TeamCaptain for the win. Scottish Supremacy over that Necros guy!
ALSO, im glad to see someone point out how insane jeff is, even though it was low elo(we all had to start in bronze), ive seen jeffs play the exact way you described, and there was no way you were killing them. i hope they nerf alot of that on him cuz they clearly over buffed him after his release in beta imo
TeamCaptain the type of guy who scratches a chalkboard and says, "Just practicing my adamantium claws."
I absolutely love it when a new game comes out and when the spotlight is on emerging top players they take advantage of the situation. Something similar to what happened with Dizzy and Apex. It's magical. #LOGANG
You look like my little brother and my older brother combined. Good luck and keep on grinding man.
The other thing about hulk is that he can give multiple shield BUBBLES. And if black panther dashes through a bubbled enemy, he doesn’t get his dash reset.
@@gaodesu_ His bubble shields can also block some ults like Jeff. If you're really good at Hulk you can even use his proper ult to jump in front of certain ults, transform, and bodyblock while invulnerable. Like you can genuinely jump in front of Iron Man pulse and ult to completely negate it. Or if you hear a Dr. Strange start channeling his ult, start yours and then bubble your team so they don't get hurt, and start smacking Strange away from them so he can't use his E to nuke them.
its not a bad move but the problem is that most of the time good hulk users will not be with their team too often, from what i've seen a good hulk user will dive to where the squishies are (most of the time supports) kill 2-3 of them, and then jump back to get healing, repeat,
on a somewhat unrelated note i think his ult is mediocre at best, good in concept, low cooldowns, really good damage, good range and hitbox, but its not good in practice because it lasts like 8 seconds, it needs a timer buff, make it like 15 seconds.
Seeing my main get placed below C tier in every tier list 💔
Widow will get her flowers one day 😭🙏🏾
She just bad, face it. I have a feeling that she was one of the very first characters, and by the time they finished their roster she was already outdated. Like for example she have enhanced melee stance but how often you actually switch to batons in realistic scenario? By the time they were making moon knight they realized it was a bad idea and gave him same enhanced mele activated by simple pressing melee button. She definitely will be reworked soon.
@@Steir12she’s bad because she doesn’t have any good tools and has a very basic kit. Her skill cap is pretty high due to headshot capability, but even then the reward require too much risk and skill that not even the top players can reliably get.
happy to see a guy break out into streaming in a fun way. LOGANG
"Wolverine Streamer reacts to Rank 1 Scarlet Witch"
Please make a tier list of maps for playing as Wolverine, which one will be the best
"I only have 15 minutes to finish this!!!!" (15 minutes later) "Whew, got it done. Wait, it's in another hour?" That is SUCH a mood. It's either that or you think you have an hour and it turns out to be 15 minutes. 😆
3:31 i love playing the Cap. I always think the same thing , imagine you could aim the deflect
Bro I love Wolverine in this game an you’re still not changing my mind about everyone else’s tier list 😂
Magik genuinely has nothing going for her over other duelists, long cooldowns with no resets her R-click has no AoE, she’s squishy, slow has no vertical mobility, her melee attacks have damage falloff??? her portals make her invincible for 1 frame but tell enemies exactly where she’s going to come out and her ult is squishy, not immune to CC and self stuns her. 15:42
I have not even played Marvel Rivals but watching this shit makes me want to go play, bro you are insane.. Such a bad ass video.. Those guys were tilting hard.
good list
Putting Jeff above Loki is the biggest crime i have ever seen
Captain being able to deflect accuratly would probably make him pretty op in the right hands
You know what, when I first saw TC wolverine videos popping up it was a meme bc everyone including myself thought he was beyond dog water in this game. After seeing someone optimize him, he is actually top tier lol TC is actually ahead of his time
I'd move Thor up one, otherwise good list.
The ONE buff he REALLY needs is his damn GRAB. There are times where ur in their face & you use the grab, but the enemy doesn't get grabbed.
20:13 I'm a Rocket main with horrible aim, so I'm usually prioritizing targets that don't move, this means Ankhs, Loki clones, Namor squids, Peni spiders, you name it.
If you've seen the Cap America gameplay from ZBRA you can tell hes only a small buff away from A tier. Buff the shield in some way, make it bigger or make it so you can aim the projectiles, and make the slam a little easier to hit with a tiny bit mor damage and that character is a menace
As a BP OTP this makes me happy, current stats for ranked are 25W-4L
Nice vid
I think something to note about groot is that he's a giant hitbox with a ton of health. So he feeds the enemy team a TON of ultimate, and soaks up a lot of healing to stay alive.
Only his iron wall has much durability, and that has a long cooldown.
It grants shields when you do damage though, so I often place it sideways near my team instead of blocking my own team's skill shots and my own shield gain while it's up...
Doing my main dirty...(widow) but you are right soooo... i just think shes fun to play
the capt deflect being random is intentional. Else every team will just have 1 capt and prepare to return a big projectile
Namur is actually broken. Backline divers cant even sustain 1v1 against him most of the time
Hey were you a genji one trick back in OW? Think I played with you years ago
yes wolv is just sss+ rank
sick that the number 1 wolverine is Scottish. salute to you brother!
Would like to see your Hulk playguide most people write him off.
Putting a stun on Caps shield rush would make him perfect
The problem with allowing Captain America to aim deflected projectiles is that characters like Hela, Mantis and Punisher would kill themselves before breaking his shield.
I play captain america, and i find some weird things with him.
for example. There's a blue hologram on one map that you can walk and jump through, and cap's shield slam ability gets stopped by it.
hope that just gets fixed with more people talking about it. I've already reported it.
If your ping goes above 100, u need to be pretty much inside enemy hitbox if they're moving away from you, even sprint spamming.
I think it's weird too that you can't aim his shield deflects too. His stun should be on the shield throw, not the shield slam from the air, which has a bunch of awkward problems with it.
his stun knocks people up into the air. With the game stuck at a default of like 65 FOV they go half off the screen, this is shit for melee players.
i saw one captain america player doing the shield slam and then jumping to follow up with the attack, other tanks don't have to do parkour to follow up with their own stuns.
playing captain america it feels like i have to try harder to do the same thing that other characters can do.
Can't lie bro, the ending i feel is going to become part of ur gimmick now bro xDDDD
Most based and accurate tier list of marvel rivals. Maybe ever.
30:07 LET'S GO LOGANG
LOGANGSTERS FTW 🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥
Crazy how iron man went from D to S on everyone’s tierlist
now that he's established, its joever
I really hope they take a look into buffing Thor’s ult I think increasing the air movement speed and making it less CC able would make him a strong A tier
I think with groot he has a very high skill ceiling. You can either do nothing, or completely change a game.
thank you for muting the fnaf follow sound
TC the king
Rushing the tierlist because of miscalculation is funny af
"He can 1shot kill in 2 hits"... I genuinely believe the term 1shot has reached that point where it's been thrown around so nonchalantly that it's lost its meaning.
And that's remarkable cause its meaning is pretty damn straightforward.
He said literally not one shot. It's just the accent
Wild you value rocket so low I've solo you plenty of times as rocket.. Also I've carried you when you dive so much, Rocket is one of the best healers for dive when they dont have snowflake on them. you can bounce around corners up things, like you said best team up in the game. Placing Adam above Rocket is a crazy choice Adam is good when you're losing for an ult, Rocket rezz is passive his armor that he gives out is also really good and he 2nd hardest healer to kill behind Jeff. Your tier list is for like below diamond. Rocket value skyROCKETS with Hela/HW banned with Punisher and WS, he also just straight up the best brawler healer.
I suppose it all depends on playstyle. You’ve got Iron First C tier but if you watch Frogger playing him he’s an assassin.
With respect... im tired of these tierlists from perspectives of people who dont play or understand the characters. This is how we had a good game like Overwatch go to shit because we had unnecessary balance changes because people who didnt understand the characters complained rather then learn to play them AND learn to counterplay them. And im not saying just practice them or play them in some low elo matchups. Actually learn HOW to get value, and then work and perfecting it. Once all thats said and done then a actually decent tierlist can be said. But til then all of these tierlists are crazy biased and halfassed and im tired of clicking on them expecting different out of respect for the creator. There are crazy Iron Fist players like you are a Wolverine player. Magik is crazy strong. And i think if you played them, learned their combos, as a Wolverine player, you already have the mentality of how to play them, you would see that these two specifically are very strong, much stronger then Spiderman who has an incredibly high skill ceiling to get any value in GM and higher but you placed him in A.... lol.... Shit, even Squirrel Girl is a lot stronger then stated. Her ult isnt a junkrat all but with her kit you can spam a capture ability like every 3-6 seconds or something crazy and destroy their backline. Her damage isnt anything to sneeze on. Her projectile speed and size is crazy good and she can demolish a Strange shield (everyone's favorite tank to play because people suck at counterplay atm) and leave their team defenseless. And i know it is all based on your opinion, im just saying no understanding how to get value off the characters because you havent played them seen someone show you how its done just make these tierlists feel gross. Like Necros first tierlist that you quickly made him regret posting when you showed Wolverine off.
I just really hope that wait a long time to balance patch this game. Nothing is broken except hitscan Hela atm. Everything else is fair, including oneshot HawkEye.
Cap should deflect only bullets & at %50 dmg. Him deflecting everything back at 100% would be silly good
As someone who loves Cap a lot, I think all Cap needs is a bit more damage (I can do without though if I have to), no cooldown on the shield, if I have shield health just let me drop and put it back up as much as I want, and as you suggested the aimed deflection would be awesome. Would really give him a unique but strong harassment ability.
It's very hard to take this tier list seriously after he ranked Jeff based on the very few high-ranking players, then said the same thing about Loki that he's strong in the right hands, but deliberately ranked him B instead of A because of his "overall" character power.
(No, I'm not a Loki player.)
funny how people used to go on about iron first being too op and making Wolverine obsolete and now he is now considered D tier.
iron fist has been growing on me. I don’t think he’s meant to be a back line flanker character like everyone plays him. Stick with your tank and you go in and out and self heal and eventually you’ll get that break where you wipe multiple enemies
Let's go LOGANG!
Hela should be a short range gun character. Shit her right click right now feels so dissociated with the rest of her kit. Instead of a high mobility high burst short range dps we got overwatch beta mccree.
nah, the right click on hela is good if u think of it as util. venoms in particular, u hit as many as u can while hes almost low enough to use his armor and then hit a hs (easy as hell if hes in ur face) and the hs and right click do so much burst together that often u'll kill him before he even armors. same for mag, if hes low and tries to bulwark out for heals he dies if u hit him with it before he bubbled. also her suck cancels certain ults so i dont think they need to "add to the rest of her kit and nerf the broken parts" i think once the seasonal bonus goes away, hawkeye and hela will be solid but not broken. (more hela, hawkey might be pretty weak and only useful as a tank buster or finishing already low targets)
also i bet black widow gets a damage boost as the next seasonal buff.
Yeah agreed, the right click on hela is super useful lol.
the goat
There’s actually a pretty decent Venom one trick out there but I can’t remember his name, I just know TimTheTatman did a spectating video on him.
I think there are too many abilities that prevent CC. Jeff diving prevents him from being pulled, if i am not mistaken, Luna ult makes her invulnurable to status effects, Mantis just doesn't care, Namor Bubble also let him move around indefinitelly. All these combined make some abilities\ults a lot lower in terms of power than should be, like Groot's Ult. In any team game an ability to bunch up people should be an S tier, due to combo potential, but because of all the other mechanics overriding it, it's between B and A tier. Not to mention that his ult has animation time and travel time, while Mantis and Luna ults are instant. Strange and Magneto simply block hit ult out of existence, because it's a projectile. They should just make it collide and pull people anyway.
Hela’s right click isn’t that bad, I start a fight off with that sometimes and get them low with the basic attack, if they try escaping they’re dead or if I get them low I can just leave them alone and move onto the next target whilst the one is guaranteed to die.
Its wierd that when I played Wolverine I thought It was Nice, but I believed in the tier lists from beta (edit: beta testers tho kkk) players, and now I trying him again, oh boy, once you get used too his skills range you becomes a Monsters.
You should play Wolverine even if he's banned, in my opinion.
My best kills in a match on magik is 66 kills
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I didn’t know drake bell played Marvel rivals heck ya!
Magik can be crazy in low elo. I'm really not sure what elo I'm in because I've mostly played QP. I'm a Magneto enjoyer, and I watched a Magik single handedly hold the enemy team in Yggsgard spawn while hitting her with bubbles for nearly 2 minutes. They never touched the cart.
No dis but low elo really doesn't matter. You can play just about any character if you're a good player in low elo or QP and win. Higher elo is where you really start to see characters break down
I love all these high level players have completely different tier lists. Most high levels have iron man at the very bottom.
This channel is my new one stop shop for accurate unbiased information XD
Luna is best supp in the game , she can do everything mantis can do and heal wayyyyyyyy more
All supports are great except for rocket, his healing is awful
@@videogames2339imo hes supposed to be the 2nd support because of his kit, with revive and his ult
@@videogames2339 they need to buff my boi rocket. He's got the best voice lines
@@TrashTierStellarishe kinda do got best voicelines 😂
I only played today for the first time, seems to me these tiers will really come into play in very competitive games. The skill level of the average player seems to be VERY LOW right now. I only tried a few characters but I was doing work with Scarlet Witch. I can see how her ultimate can be canceled by enemies but 95% of players aren't smart enough to do it right nowà
Mantis also has self heal :D
The only change i want is loki getting a scroll wheel in ult after pressing q to choose who to copy from
Just make him work like Morrigan from Smite and his ult is instantly the best it can be
Hope my fav comes soon Cambit is not in there yet.
i dont play this game but strongly support buffing wolverine anyway
Why did i just watch a tierlist from a game i dont play, and have no intentions of playing. Got to much time on my hands :P