Saw it coming from a mile away. Yes LOTR is related to Harry Potter in that JK Rowling shamelessly plagiarized from from far superior writers most notably Tolkien.
@@memphistim2001 I'm happy she did. And he wasn't her only source. She knew her mythology and folklore. Btw, even the great Tolkien borrowed from here and there. For example Kalevala, and Der Ring des Nibelungen. edit: I do love LOTR. I have read the books more times than I can count, and the same goes for watching the movies 🤩
At 8:00, Gandalf does not look like Dumbledore--Dumbledore looks like Gandalf. Tolkien wrote LOTR before J.K. Rowling was even born, and his work has informed most of modern fantasy literature.
Tolkien had a huge influence on the fantasy genre pretty much every sword and sorcery film has been influenced by Tolkien in some way and he was influenced by real word myths and legends.
@@paulmartin6209It's actually based in a artificial mythology actually developed by Tolkien during The Great War and there are many, *many* things in Beleriand and Middle Earth (literally an anglophone version of "Midgard" - "The Middle Place", meaning the World of Men in Germanic mythology - you can find a version of this mythology in the MCU) inspired more or less directly by The World War and Tolkien's role in it, starting the War as a cavalry officer and ending up dismounted into the mud of Flanders in time to take part in the terrible slaughter (40.000+ dead on the first day...) of The Somme, echoes of which are in this story later. Best regards Raoul G. Kunz
Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit are the original High Fantasy novels, and Gandalf is the standard for all Wizards, including Dumbledore. The Horcrux of Harry Potter is a copy of The Ring.
About the "Weed" they smoke, the author of the original tale enjoyed smoking his pipe. He set this tale in the far distant past, and we're talking thousands of years in the past. He treats it as a story that he discovered rather than wrote. It is rather complicated. But suffice it to say that since he enjoyed smoking so much he had his characters enjoy smoking as well. But since this was far in the past and tobacco is native to the Americas, he couldn't have them smoking tobacco, so he decided to just call it pipe weed, or sometimes just weed. It is not marijuana or anything like that. It is just tobacco but by another name.
Actually Tolkien definitely intends it to be tobacco. He uses the word “tobacco” at least a couple times through the books. Literally the last word in “The Hobbit” novel is “tobacco-jar”. Tolkien’s intro to the 2nd edition of LOTR specifically says their leaf is probably a form of nicotiana (aka tobacco). And he never refers to it as one-word “weed”.
At 28:18, Sam calls Frodo "Mr. Frodo," because Sam is Frodo's gardener. He is of a lower social class than Frodo and Bilbo. Class distinctions were a bigger deal in Britain at the time Tolkien was writing LOTR than they were 50 years later when Peter Jackson & Co. were producing the movie, so the Sam of the movies is more the equal of the others than the Sam of the books.
@@Hauke-ph5ui The extended editions betray the tension throughout the films with subtle humour and levity, and it doesn't do the movies justice. It cheapens their quality. The movies were already perfect the way audiences experienced them in cinema. But the added dialogue only bloats the films down and instead turns them into sequences of light hearted camp and cheer. It eviscerates the foreboding nature of these dark films, and eliminates a very important dread that is sacrosanct to watching Lord of the Rings. They're meant to be dark movies. Not wonderful and merry. Not in the slightest. They're films to be taken seriously, not coddled and loved with jovial banter.
8:20 Let's just say that Dumbledore is actually based in large parts on Gandalf. Tolkien is in fact the most important influence on more or less all fantasy novellists (including J.K. Rowlings) that came after him. And no, it is not the same actor. Gandalf is portrayed by Ian McKellen, while Dumbledore is played by Richard Harris in the first two movies and Michael Gambon in the rest (Harris passed away between movies 2 and 3). J.R.R.Tolkien is without a doubt the most influential fantasy writer of them all. Literally all fantasy writers of the following generations say that he's one of their main influences, the entire RPG genre (D&D in particular) is also heavily influenced by his work. I strongly recommend to read the most important works of Tolkien after you finished the trilogy: The Silmarillion, The Hobbit and of course the Lord of the Rings trilogy. It should be mentioned though that the Silmarillion can be somewhat harder to read because it is not a novel; it is more of a history book, covering tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of years. It is however hugely important to understand the world lore.
To give a little perspective, the books that this movie was based on were written 12 years before J. K. Rowling was born. The Lord of the rings is not like Harry Potter, Harry Potter is like Lord of the rings.
Glad to see you doing the extended versions. So many of the questions you had at the beginning are only answered in the extended versions, or in the books.
Also, this story was written as one big book but the publisher split it into three volumes because nobody would buy a book that long. Because of that, only the final book, and movie, has a satisfying ending. The other end in kind of cliff hangers.
The song Aragorn sings has huge importance! Here is the full version: “The leaves were long, the grass was green, The hemlock-umbels tall and fair, And in the glade a light was seen; Of stars in shadow shimmering, Tinnúviel was dancing there, To music of a pipe unseen And light of stars was in her hair; And in her raiment glimmering There Beren came from mountains cold; And lost he wandered under leaves; And where the Elven-river rolled. He walked alone and sorrowing. He peered between the hemlock-leaves; And saw in wonder flowers of gold Upon her mantle and her sleeves; And her hair like shadow following Enchantment healed his weary feet; That over hills were doomed to roam And forth he hastened, strong and fleet; And grasped at moonbeams glistening Through woven woods in Elven-home; She lightly fled on dancing feet And left him lonely still to roam; In the silent forest listening; He heard there oft the flying sound Of feet as light as linden-leaves Or music welling underground; In hidden hollow quavering; Now withered lay the hemlock-sheaves And one by one with sighing sound Whispering fell the beachen leaves; In the wintry woodland wavering He sought her ever, wandering far Where leaves of years were thickly strewn By light of moon and ray of star; In frosty heavens shivering Her mantle glinted in the moon; As on a hill-top high and far She danced, and at her feet was strewn A mist of silver quivering When winter passed, she came again And her song released the sudden spring, Like rising lark, and falling rain; And melting water bubbling; He saw the elven-flowers spring About her feet, and healed again He longed by her to dance and sing Upon the grass untroubling Again she fled, but swift he came Tinnúviel ! , Tinnúviel ! He called her by her elvish name And there she halted listening One moment stood she, and a spell His voice laid on her: Beren came And doom fell on Tinúviel That in his arms lay glistening As Beren looked into her eyes Within the shadows of her hair The trembling starlight of the skies He saw there mirrored shimmering Tinnúviel the elven-fair Immortal maiden elven-wise About him cast her shadowy hair And arms like silver glimmering Long was the way that fate them bore O'er stony mountains cold and grey Through halls of ireon and darkling door, And woods of nightshade morrowless The Sundering Seas between them lay And yet at last they met once more And long ago they passed away In the forest singing sorrowless” The true elvish version is far greater and so full of beauty & nuanced mournful sadness that’s break the hearts of mortals from its beauty and sadness so the true song has been sort of taboo and the mannish tongues that retell it is stated to only be a shadow beneath the tree of the true story! (A clip of it is in the original definitive version though. Viggo Mortenson who plays Aragorn designed the melody and style himself and wished it to sound Celtic in nature.) I recommend reacting to the cover done by Clamavi De Profundis and Tolkien Ensemble after the trilogy is finished and even “How Howard Shore Used Voices”. You’ll see just how deep it went. The lore itself went into the musics lyrics. Using the languages within middle earth. So even when stuff couldn’t be put in they found other ways to highly reference it via the music. It ties in all the themes at the very end in a very profound way. The thumbnail image for it is Galadriel and the image has a blue tint.
The Lord of The Rings is a densely-written, thousand-plus-page novel rooted in the folklore research of a professor of ancient languages, based on his work over decades starting shortly after World War 1. So don't take this too harshly, but when you bring up Harry Potter, you sound like someone who thinks Shakespeare comes from Spongebob.
Perhaps if she stopped repeating the name Dumbledore and listened to the sound track she'd understand a little more...How many times is she going to ask "is this Harry Potter" while watching a movie called Lord of the Rings........THIS IS NOT Harry Potter............Lord of the Rings is the work that inspired everyone else who ever wrote fantasy.....it's masterpiece, and the movies managed to capture a great deal of its spirit...... Harry Potter et al owe their existence to the works of Tolkien, and virtually everything that appears in the Potterverse was inspired by, and was preceded by, Lord of the Rings.
I feel that "inspired" when talking about Harry Potter is more than a little bit ridiculous. LOTR is part of an entire world with its own history, legends, races, etc. Harry Potter is a low fantasy story that is interwoven with the world of today. How do they even remotely compare?
@@robertdesantis5272 because many of the ideas and concepts, much of the imagery and the themes within Lord of the Rings have, in varying ways, found a home within the Potterverse, and many other works of imaginative fantasy fiction.....I'd say that the sheer depth, richness and sweeping range of LOTR probably inspired many writers to venture into the world of fantasy fiction, and consciously or unconsciously, many of Tolkien's ideas and concepts, would have found their way into much subsequent writing within the fantasy genre......if you can't see the genesis of much of the Potter world's ideas within the pages of Tolkien, then you are definitely missing something...
@@deathswitch2404 not sure which of my two comments above, you are referring to, so perhaps there was a way of saying this without being so vague... but in either of my responses, I dont think `I was being rude, merely offering my opinion...if you've taken any offence at either of those comments, which you clearly seem to disagree with, but which were actually not made to you, then that is your problem, since the two people to whom the comments were addressed dont seem to have raised any issues, do they? since you seem to feel strongly enough to make a comment perhaps you'd clarify how or where I was being rude, and tell me why you feel it's your place to raise an objection....
One thing is sure. JK Rowling took ideas from several fantasy books and not the other way round. One is Lord of the Rings as fundamental art. But there is also Earthsea by Ursula Le Guin writing the Wizard School idea and wait for it… a bully in it, a very talented wizard kid who has a demon in his shadow always…. We can go on. That was in 1968… so let’s just say, she wasn’t that original as many think who don’t read fantasy.
Those Earthsea books are so so good. I still think Roald Dahl is the biggest influence on Rowling's writing though. You can look at concepts like a school for magic (I think Hogwarts is closer to the one from The Worst Witch than the one from Wizard of Earthsea) but in terms of voice (the way the Dursley's are described reminds me of the way the Twits are introduced), characters (Harry has definite Matilda vibes) and imaginative flourishes (lots of BFG, Marvellous Medicine and Wonka going on in there), it all feels very Roald Dahl, at least with the first couple of books.
When writing her Harry Potter stories, J.K. Rowling was "heavily inspired" by the writings of Prof. Tolkien. You're going to find many elements of Tolkien's stories having parallels in Rowling's stories. Once you've experienced "THE LORD OF THE RINGS" trilogy, do watch "THE HOBBIT" films. They follow the adventure of Bilbo, 60 years prior to this trilogy, and it lays the foundation for the LOTR tale. It will answer many of the questions you have now.
52:52 No, that's not an owl. That's Gwaihir the Windlord, Lord of the Great Eagles in the Third Age, descendant of Thorondor, the greatest Eagle who ever lived. Gwaihir and his brother Landroval aided Thorondor in the rescue of Beren and Luthien from Angband. Yes, the lore in this world goes deep.
You will see a lot of similarities between LOTR and Harry Potter. JK Rowling must have read LOTR. I am 75 and I read it first when I was 14. The wonderful scenery you are seeing is New Zealand. All three movies were filmed there in 18 months.
Honestly, she may not have read it and there would still be similarities. Tolkien didn't start the fantasy genre obviously, but I think his influence is so vast that it would be difficult to believe that the authors who inspired Rowling weren't themselves highly influenced by Tolkien. So any modern fantasy writer is at least partially influenced by Tolkien's work, even if they've never read Tolkien themselves. My first fantasy novels were the Incarnations of Immortality and then the Dragonlance novels. I didn't read LOTR until after seeing the movies, to be honest, but I could definitely see the influences at work in the more recent fantasy books I've read. Edit- Not sure why people feel the need to respond to this comment as if I'm claiming there's no similarities or that Rowling never read Tolkien, because that's not what I said at all.
@@nebulousreactions What you say is true, but I have a hard time imagining a fantasy author who hasn't read Lord of the Rings. I mean, if you love fantasy books enough to want to write one you pretty much have to read Lord of the Rings.
@@blairhaffly1777 I hope you didn't interpret what I said as meaning she hadn't. I simply meant it would not be required to explain the similarities because Tolkien's influence is huge. 🙂
Im very happy youre watching the extended version. They are a much better experience. Some people will disagree with that, but the theatrical version of the third movie in particular is not good and is missing some character endings. Most people fall in love with these movies and are sad when they finish, so its rare to see anyone regret watching the extended versions. And, yep, as a lot of people are saying in the comments. HP derives a lot of its ideas from LOTR. LOTR is the second best selling book in the world, behind the bible, and a lot of fans get a bit possessive of it. The Elves are shiny because they exist in the spirit and physical worlds and their spirits come from light. ps the language on the ring is 'like elvish", but its actually black speech, the language of mordor. It says, "Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul, ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul." - .One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them. "Ash" means "one". "Nazg", means 'ring". And thats why "Nazgul' means 'ring-wraiths". Tolkien was a professor of linguistics and he created the languages for his books. Tolkien's elvish is a fully developed language. Aragorn is a descendant of Isildur, but also of Elrond's twin brother, who chose a mortal life. After the death of his father, the king of Arnor, and the destruction of Arnor by the Witch King of Angmar's forces (who is also the most powerful of the Nazgul), Aragorn was raised at Rivendell under Elrond's protection. Its through his title as king of Arnor that he claims the high kingship of Gondor.
About 61 years before, Gandalf got Bilbo involved in an adventure with a large group of dwarves. Hobbits aren't normally adventurous so he gained a reputation in the Shire for doing such a thing, and afterwards was always considered to be a bit questionable in the community. It was during this adventure that he gained the ring. I won't say more because a number of years after this movie series was made, Peter Jackson made another series based on "The Hobbit". You may find yourself wanting to watch that after this series is completed.
No not Dumbledore! IF the two were related it would definitely say so. Bilbo said: "I don't know half of you as half as I should like. And I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." basically said: "Because I am selfish, he would like to 'like more of you' more than he does, and you all deserve better of me." Its a riddle. Tolkien started the writings of this world in the 1930's. Almost every fantasy that has Elves, Dwarves, Orcs and such are derived from LotR. Even their writers will say such. JK Rowling said: "... any similarities between her books and Tolkien's are "Fairly superficial." But there is no denying the stories similarities. BIG PLUS for reaction to Rivendale.
Echoing others in the comment section, The Lord of the Rings predates Harry Potter by nearly half a century. Gandalf, Bilbo, Gollum, the Ring and Elrond were first featured in the Hobbit, released in 1937. Harry Potter was released in 1997. Tolkien was monumentally influential in fantasy. Sir Terry Pratchett said the following on the subject; "J.R.R. Tolkien has become a sort of mountain, appearing in all subsequent fantasy in the way that Mt. Fuji appears so often in Japanese prints. Sometimes it’s big and up close. Sometimes it’s a shape on the horizon. Sometimes it’s not there at all, which means that the artist either has made a deliberate decision against the mountain, which is interesting in itself, or is in fact standing on Mt. Fuji."
J.R.R Tolkien (OG of all Authors) was a veteran of the 1st World War & other battles such as The Battle Of Somme etc. his works of art were to give back to the England as a form of restoring lost mythologies that he himself was a master of since he was a top professor of philology at Oxford. He did ALOT of his writing while in the trenches during WWI during small “breaks” while down in those trench forts built into the ground. And while he eldest son was in the Second World War; his Lord Of The Rings writings was strictly created above all else to give his eldest something to read while stationed wherever he was stationed. I forgot that part. They sent letters back and forth about it all the time. He was also the one and only son that actually protected his fathers legacy and work. A lot of his other work were put together BY his son after his father passed away. It’s well worth to react to the documentary behind the scenes film the director and crew and cast created together as well as the interview with the son Christopher Tolkien who you get to sort of enjoy a nice indoor and outdoor chat for like what came to about 1-2 hours of wonderful footage from an era that really must not be forgotten. His work shed a light on things like The Finnish Kalevala, Norwegian Elder Edda, The Welsh Mabinogion, The Norwegian Nibelungen, The Indian Bhagvagita & Several Irish Folklore + other Cultural things! The man also restored and translated ancient relics for the governments as one everyone trusted. Much of what’s in our dictionary come from his efforts as well. Anytime he spoke & even posted several comments into the paper as an editorial or response to certain issues as a very involved man for the world and the environment everyone turned their head to listen to him as everyone knew his worth and respected him greatly. His works show how NOT to glorify war. The real version and the “theatrical cut”. It was all to make more money for the company that is the theatres/cinemas. To get more showings in per day during the year. And believe me. People were camping outside and travelling the country to watch it MORE THAN ONCE. His creations literally lead to inspiring the most currently famous books games & movies we all literally wouldn’t have enjoyed and be touched to our souls core without him and his spiritually connected brilliance. That and he was a philologist professor at Oxford first and foremost which covers so many things. Not just linguistic. The man was a true genius and Jack of all trades but ultimately LOVED the simple life. The inspiration for Lord of the Rings was not any war, but author J.R.R. Tolkien's love of language. Especially Welsh, Finnish and Old English. He lamented the loss of any true English folklore, that was wiped out after the Norman invasion of 1066, so Tolkien wrote many books on these new "legends" he came up with himself. Much of which is centered around three languages he fully developed himself. Two Elven languages and Dwarvish., Númenorean Adunaic, Black Speech(warped Numenorean and elvish) They all have syntax, vocabularies, and a whole writing system that can be learned as the Tengwar alphabet is moreso to match with the spoken elvish rather than one to one for other country’s alphabet. Hundreds of people worldwide speak elvish fluently. Tolkien did draw upon his personal experience in the trenches of World War ONE, not Two, as inspiration for some parts, most notably, the Dead Marshes that Frodo and Sam and Gollum pass through in The Two Towers. But war was not the inspiration for the entire series. World Of Warcraft. Elder Scrolls, Oblivion, Elden Ring, Skyrim, Harry Potter, Diablo, Zelda, D&D, especially Warhammer + DragonLance and so forth wouldn’t have. Existed without taking giant inspiration from and or completely ripping off from Tolkien.
0:46 First off I apologizes for those being highly rude with their comments, its understandable you’re a HP fan who’s never really seen the master of almost all fantasy lore inspired movies or tv shows but be deeply appreciated if people respectfully stop comparing HP with LOTR franchise because that was created back in 50s long before J.K Rowlings the writer of Harry potter books was born as well as half the nation 😅 even though both first films came out in the same year.
At 31:52 Tolkien writes, "Hobbits have a passion for mushrooms, surpassing even the greediest likings of Big People." In fact, Chapter 4 of Book I of FOTR is titled, "A Short Cut to Mushrooms," which explains this line of dialogue.
J.R.R. Tolkien's 'The Hobbit' was published in 1937. The three volumes of 'The Lord of the Rings' were published in 1954 to 1955. No relation to Harry Potter (1997). Hobbits age a little slower than the Big Folk (Men), so reaching 100 years old isn't unusual. Dwarves are even more long-lived, and Elves are effectively immortal.
19:27 “He’s leaving him the kid here to figure it all himself” It kinda seems that way but I think it’s the opposite, Gandalf knows that there are magic rings out in the world but he doesn’t know if *this* ring is the super evil One Ring or not, so he’s going on a research quest to find out everything about that ring and telling Frodo “Keep it secret. Keep it safe.” Meaning until Gandalf has confirmation that this isn’t the super evil bad ring of ultimate badness, we don’t talk about the ring, we don’t use the ring, we don’t even think about the ring.
The fact that you mistook Gandalf for Dumbledore would suggest that you didn't notice that the actor playing Dumbledore in the first 2 Harry Potter movies wasn't the same actor playing him in the rest of the movies 🥴
Bilbo Walking Song: “Roads go ever ever on, Over rock and under tree, By caves where never sun has shone, By streams that never find the sea; Over snow by winter sown, And through the merry flowers of June,Over grass and over stone, And under mountains in the moon. Roads go ever ever on Under cloud and under star, Yet feet that wandering have gone Turn at last to home afar. Eyes that fire and sword have seen And horror in the halls of stone Look at last on meadows green And trees and hills they long have known” The original version of the song is recited by Bilbo in the last chapter of The Hobbit, at the end of his journey back to the Shire. Coming to the top of a rise he sees his home in the distance, and stops and essentially sings what I shared above! There are three versions of this walking song in The Lord of the Rings. The first is sung by Bilbo when he leaves the Shire and is setting off to visit Rivendell: “The Road goes ever on and on, Down from the door where it began. Now far ahead the Road has gone, And I must follow, if I can, Pursuing it with eager feet, Until it joins some larger way Where many paths and errands meet. And whither then? I cannot say.” The second version is identical except for changing the word "eager" to "weary" in the fifth line. It is spoken aloud, slowly, by Frodo, as he and his companions pause on their way to Crickhollow, looking beyond to lands that some of them have never seen before. The third version is spoken by Bilbo in Rivendell after the hobbits have returned from their journey. Bilbo is now an old, sleepy hobbit, who murmurs the verse and then falls asleep. “The Road goes ever on and on Out from the door where it began. Now far ahead the Road has gone, Let others follow it who can! Let them a journey new begin, But I at last with weary feet Will turn towards the lighted inn, My evening-rest and sleep to meet.” 1977: The Hobbit (1977 film): Sections of the poem are sung during the trip through Mirkwood. It appears on the soundtrack titled "Roads". 1980: The Return of the King (1980 film): A song inspired by the poem is sung at the end of the film called "Roads Go Ever, Ever On". 1981: The Lord of the Rings (1981 radio series): Bilbo sings the song as he leaves Bag End. It is sung by John Le Mesurier to a tune by Stephen Oliver. 1997: An Evening in Rivendell: The Tolkien Ensemble adapted an original melody to the song, composed by Caspar Reiff. 2001: The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring: Parts of the song are sung by Gandalf in his first appearance, and also by Bilbo as he leaves Bag End. 2006: The Lord of the Rings Musical: The poem is the basis of the song "The Road Goes On" sung by Sam, Frodo, Merry, and Pippin in the first act. 2014: The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies: Lines of the poem partially make up the lyrics of The Last Goodbye, performed by Billy Boyd(Pippin) for the credits of the film. This is just stuff to know when you see the next films. Maybe seeing this will spark something you read here or in other people’s comments via future reactions to the other 2 films as well as the 3 The Hobbit movies!
It doesn't bother me personally but I've seen how nasty some OG Lord of the Rings fans can get when you compare this to Harry Potter, so just FYI, this came first and they have no relation to one another. This is one of the OG fantasy stories, so it's kind of a big deal to fantasy buffs, and they can get pretty pissy about it. So just be prepared for that. I think there's something up with your audio. I hear you fine, and I can hear some of the music score, but all the dialogue is so faint and echoing that I can't understand it, so I can't really follow what you're commenting on half the time.
People want to distance themselves from Joanne because she has fallen off so hard these days. Harry Potter also has some pretty questionable character dynamics in retrospect, so I can understand where some of the bitterness comes from. esp since Tolkien predates it by like, a lot
@@bitterzombie To be fair, old school LOTR fans have always been a been touchy about any comparisons to Harry Potter, even before Rowling started behaving the way she currently does. I'm a huge HP fan as well, but criticisms of character dynamics are probably valid. I always felt, even as reading it as a young teen, that the whole house elf subplot was uncomfortable. A whole race enslaved, and 99% of them like it that way? It's not a great look, and I'm glad it was cut from the movies.
@@Whiskey0880 I didn't say sharing an opinion is nasty. I said they can be nasty when sharing that opinion. And you're certainly not proving otherwise.
@@nebulousreactions Fans can be nasty when talking about HP/LOTR and it's not nice. I think you can express yourself without making someone feel like crap for speaking. This reaction for me was hard to get through the first part because of all the HP talk. I know no one wants spoilers but I believe it would help a lot of reactors if they knew a little bit about the books/films before reacting especially if they are coming from the HP world. At the very least know when the books were published so they don't look a bit silly asking if HP & LOTR are in the same world or keep going on and on about destroying the ring like it's the easiest thing to do
Wizards aren't unique to the Harry Potter universe....and The Lord of the Rings (and its prequel, The Hobbit) were written some 40 years or more before J.K. Rowling took pen to paper, which makes Dumbledore sort of a descendant of Tolkien's Gandalf. Moreover, NOT played by the same actor. Dumbledore was portrayed by Richard Harris and, later, by Michael Gambon (after Harris' unfortunate passing); Gandalf is played by Sir Ian McKellan.
At 42:00, Strider is singing lines from the Lay of Luthien, which told the story of Luthien and Beren, lovers from the First Age, over 6,000 years ago. You can read a fuller account in The Silmarillion, Tolkien's "Bible" of Middle-earth. Its relevance to our story will become clear later on.
At 13:35, the unpleasant Otho and Lobelia Sackville-Baggins are Bilbo's closest relatives and have been wanting to inherit Bilbo's Hobbit-hole, Bag End, for the past 60 years. Bilbo adopted Frodo some years back, so the S-Bs are out of luck.
J,K, Rawlings was a big fan of Lord of the rings as a child. It inspired her to become an author. Many fantasy stories are inspired by these books written in the early 1950´s. (Link is Legolas, Dombledore is Gandalf....)
Welcome to what I consider the greatest movies ever. As I'm sure other will tell you, the Lord of the Rings was written many years before Harry Potter. If anything, Dumbledore is Gandalf, not the other way around. But this is a very different story and many wonders await you.
The elves Sam and Frodo see aren't ghosts - they're completlely alive. Elves are immortal, and as their power wanes in Middle Earth, threy grow weary of life, and travel west to the Gray Havens (an elvish settlement on the shores of the sea) to take ship and sail into the west and return to Valinor (which is a physical place - sort of - as well as the home of Middle Earth's gods the - the Valar - and the final dwelling place of the elves). It's part Faerie, part Olympus and part afterlife. In the distant past most of the elves - the first race to awaken in Middle Earth traveled to Valnior to live with the Valar. Some stayed behind in Middle Earth, and others returned to Middle Earth to fight Morgoth - the fallen Valar and Sauron's old boss - against the vishes of the Valar. Thousands of years later after to much war and sorrow, the last of the elves in ME are slowly leaving for Valinor, leaving Middle Earth and the mortal realm to humanity.
Note - this is all form a long-time Tolkien nerd and if any of it comes off as critical, I apologize. Not my intent. I love seeing new people being introduced to Lord of the Rings and hopefully this helps understand what's going on in the movie better. It's understandable that you see so many similarities to Harry Potter, but as others have mentioned, these books were written long before the HP books (from the 1930s-1950s). J.R.R. Tolkien's works (notably The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings) are one of the primary foundations of all fantasy written since. The people Bilbo was hiding from are the Sackville-Baggins, a relation of his who hoped to inherit Bag End (the fancy house Bilbo lives in) some day and were always a nuisance to Bilbo. They have a larger role in the books. This scene was only in the extended version and is a bit of a treat thrown to readers of the original books. When Bilbo found the ring, there was a much larger scene between him and Gollum (from the book The Hobbit). In the movie intro, you're given a very (very) brief overview of the history of the ring. Remember, the ring has a will of it's own and can exert it's will on others. Frodo using/handling the ring when he shouldn't is the result of the ring's will overcoming his. The giant bird that saves Gandalf is one of the Great Eagles, a very powerful and ancient being in Middle Earth. FYI - Elves are immortal, so they can be 1000s of years old.
Regarding Arwen and the wraiths - They are afraid of water itself which contains the song of creation of the entire world. All water does. Same as our world which is our Midgard. The Ainulindalë. And the main Ainu of the waters is Ulmo, & Númenorean Men’s patron “deity” of sorts who loves all of middle earth and the peoples of all of Arda. They don’t have physical bodies so if they entered the water they’d have to essentially be reconstituted either by Sauron himself or some sort of Orc or black Númenorean shaman or they’ll take some time to reform themselves as the fan never have a body. They are passing into Elrond's domain also which is super sacred and highly sanctified and hallowed ground filled with the pristine energies of the old world. Where the very air you breath is electrified, full of life. The trees gleam with more brightness and so forth, they commune with the elves in many ways and even several men who have the sensibilities to do so. The land around Rivendell is infused with the magic of Vilya, Elrond's Ring of Power which is why the elven domains (Rivendell and Lothlorien) still have the magic that is mostly lost from the rest of Middle Earth. They fear Elrond and the power of his ring so they hesitate but ultimately continue. I think Arwen is literally calling on the Bruinen river to help her repel the wraiths “Nîn o Chithaeglir lasto beth dhaer; Rimmo nîn Bruinen dan in Ulaer.” This “spell” is in Sindarin so it Remains in true Tolkiens spirit! Despite the exact line was only for the movies - English : “Waters of the Misty Mountains, hear the word of power; Rush, waters of Bruinen, against the Ringwraiths!” Lady Arwen calls upon the powers of the Misty Mountains and the river Bruinen to rise up as a defense against the evil Ringwraiths. It is a moving reminder of how the Elves once lived in harmony with the lands and waters, able to communicate with spirits of nature. Even now, glimpses remain of their ancient abilities, though fading as the Third Age comes to a close. when lessons in Sindarin reveal deeper insights into the history and cultures of Middle-Earth. - “Waters of the Misty Mountains, listen to the great word, flow waters of Loudwater, against the Ringwraiths.” Ulmo ain't no pushover. Only the evil Men under Sauron's dominion willingly traverse and enter any large body of water. It's of course not mentioned in the movies, but the reason is that Sauron and his servants are afraid of Ulmo, his power, and stay away from water. Sauron surpasses Morgoth in a way, since he actually amassed fleets in his service and gained dominion over the sea in that fashion. Ulmo is the reason Elrond has the power to release the flood at all; unless - of course - they've got a whole sophisticated dam-setup going on. The Brandywine is - I suppose - too deep and wide for them, and I'm guessing their forms of nothingness can't withstand any water that Ulmo hasn't completely withdrawn from. Probably something to do with the songs of creation that inhabit all the waters of Middle Earth. Nazgul's horses are most likely undead, that is to say that they have horse's bodies but dark spirits inhabit them now instead. If they were normal horses, they would never consent to bear a ringwraith in the first place- they would immediately fly into a panic, because the nazgul "fill all living things with an instinctive dread".
It's really nice to see someone who enjoys fantasy experience Tolkien for the first time. You will see a lot of motifs that get adapted in other media, these movies themselves are adaptations and vary in many ways from the original books. But if you enjoy the wonder of feeling immersed in a world of imagination, there is always more magic to discover in the lore of Middle Earth.
This story has nothing to do with the Harry Potter story. Harry Potter writer borrowed from Lord of the Rings. The Lord of the Rings was written before the Harry Potter writer was probably born. Dumbledore and Gandalf, the wizards, were played by two totally different (but Great) actors. Two different, but good movies.😊
I hope after this onwe don't hear the HP comparison so much. I LOVE both series. But...many fantasy stories that were successful borrowed a lot from this series. And many things in the LOTR series were inspired by ancient Germanic and Norse mythology. I saw FOTR with my brother when I was like a sophomore in high school. It was so much fun-we went to the midnight showing...there was a blizzard and we got into a car-totaling crash on the way home. LOL Night to remember for sure.
Please try to balance the sound levels between the movie and your voice. I had to turn up my volume to hear the movie, but then your voice becomes far too loud. But yes, it's great that you're doing the extended versions, and making the effort to produce generously lengthy reaction videos. 🙂
As an old head fan that was watching The Hobbit animated movie as a child and LOTR.. believe me when i say were all lucky to be alive to see this brought to life with the CGI of today... i hope EVERYONE sees the entire series at least once (im on my 150th🙄 X).the best part of these movies besides the incredible imagination is the personal conversations and speeches.. hopefully you have a huge TV screen 😅n im looking forward to seeing your reaction to the entire series...you only have about 109 hours of film to watch.. enjoy 😅✌️🔥
At 10:08, Hobbits live a bit longer than Men; Tolkien writes that Hobbits reach 100 as often as not. So Bilbo is very old, but not unnaturally old. Gandalf gives Bilbo a hard look here, because Bilbo looks no older than he did when he found the Ring 60 years previously.
At 40:45, in the Prologue to LOTR, "Concerning Hobbits," Tolkien writes, '"Their faces were as a rule good-natured rather than beautiful, broad, bright-eyed, red-cheeked, and with mouths apt to laughter, and to eating and drinking. And laugh they did, and eat and drink, often and heartily, being fond of simple jests at all times, and of six meals a day (when they could get them)."
#1 If you keep comparing this to Harry Potter the fandom will be very, very annoyed. Gollum is a Stoor an early form of Hobbit who lived along waterways. Gandalf is not Dumbledore and they have no relation to each other.Gandalf was portrayed by Ian McClellan and Dumbledore was played by Richard Harris and Michael Gambon. Lord of the Rings was written in the 1950's and is the basis for all modern medieval fantasy so many of the same elements show up in other fantasy stories. All those others are copying or inspired by LOTR. Gandalf is also not a wizard like Harry Potter wizards are. He is basically an angel sent to Middle Earth as an advisor and while he does have some powers they are limited. He has spent 3000 years as a mortal. There are five wizards that were send to Middle Earth by the Valar. Saruman the White, leader and most powerful of the wizards, Gandalf the Gray who was sent as an advisor to gently urge the peoples of Middle Earth down the right path, Radagast the Brown who mostly concerned himself with the forests and nature and finally the two Blue wizards whose names and purpose has been lost to time. Magic in Middle Earth is different. What would appear to be magical to humans is just another aspect of the natural world to the elves. So no one is waving wands it just is what it is. Elves are immortal but they can be killed but even then their spirit goes to the Halls of Mandos where they await resurrection and they can return to the elven homeland, Valinor. Elrond is about 6500 years old. Galadriel is over 8000 years old. Arwen is fairly young at about 1500 years old.
At 5:51 you say, "It's a cool building of like circular architecture." That's because it is a very fancy hole in the ground. The first words of Tolkien's children's story The Hobbit begins: "In a hole in the ground there lived a Hobbit."
The movies = masterpieces, In book Isildur NEVER succumbs to The One Ring, instead spends time being a fair ruler, gave power away to the people INSTEAD of being power hungry. He comes to realize that he is not powerful enough to truly bend the ring to his will. That it will eventually overcome him. Isildur resolves to give the ring to Elrond but is killed on the way to Rivendel. It's a tragic story of a man that tries to right his wrong but ultimately fails. In the books isildur literally repented and was about to bring the ring to Rivendell and apologize as he recognized it was beyond him even for a great numenorean connected to the faithful line of the mighty Elendil I preface the prologue & war, other depictions I LOVE, captured the themes WELL, the vibe of the whole trilogy! The significance of the duel between Elendil & Sauron was Nerffed; (He wasn’t some random old bloke in armour getting smacked around) This man was MIGHTY and gleaming with power which you’ll find out in the great videos you’ll soon react to with joy! * He and Gil-Galad; last true Elven King battled Sauron and slayed Sauron’s physical body and both died in the process. GilGalad was held high by the face for all free peoples to see as he then incinerated his bodily form to a crisp of ash! Isildur was part of the fight too but not as prominently and he just comes up to the body to cut the ring finger off and…. So one example is how easily Sauron is killed in the intro. * • He's set up as this super powered badass, but all you have to do is cut off his finger? That's not how it went down in the book, where the greatest man-king and the greatest elven-king had to double-team Sauron to strike down his body, but were killed in the effort (Isildur then cuts the ring from the corpse). Especially for elves the title of king has many meanings & by the Third Age there isn’t a population large enough to even attempt to such a thing as creating a unified kingdom, which would put a target on their backs, let alone many of them are beyond all of that anyway as it’s seen as doing more harm than anything good. * They also seen what happened when the elves fell upon the swords of their own hubris and passion no matter if it was for the right reasons some of the time. That it always ended up in some sort of tragedy which sometimes even damaged the earth itself. They had long known about what’s called the Long Defeat as ever since Morgoth’s marring of the land itself; pouring his remnants into it that caused the “magic” to slowly drain away from the land itself, which is sad because for ages several clans of elves were born there. even the greatest ancestors were “born” in middle earth awakening to the stars ! Many of who are left have accepted the next phase of their life which is to become councillors, healers and loremasters to those with the heart to listen and the desire to learn. But above all the guardians and custodians of several things and the world itself for as long as they can remain!❤ The elves “exist” as long as the world does. And Tolkien made it obvious in many ways that it’s our world as he restored Anglo Saxon culture/Mythologies and folklore, and their languages too alongside Irish, Welsh and Finnish mythologies too. Especially Norwegian(of which I am) This is what Amazon (the show that shall not be named) didn’t deliver either [[AKA the actual story which inspired everything we love into existence with games and movies and books and so forth. Skyrim, elder scrolls, oblivion, Diablo, and world of Warcraft and D&D. And Game Of Thrones was hugely inspired by Tolkien… yet as the godfather of everything and the heart of what caused many peoples lives to be saved cannot get the justice it deserves for adaptations? People literally conquered cancer because of the books and the trilogy, the books were read to their children for years. All 25 of them. The man was a hugely respected scholar and professor in the world. Translated ancient artifacts and hieroglyphs and petroglyphs and so forth for the government etc. (JRR Tolkien even rejected being recruited into the CIA several times & he wrote everyone by letter and referenced the dudes who came to him as “little boys who knew not what they got themselves into” which showed his fearlessness.). The readers of the trilogy that came out are who he writes back to despite always replying to everyone back and forth. Many people have shared the stories regarding these conversations which were past down throughout the family lines of the people who had a personal relationship with Tolkien which was hundreds of people when he was alive. Thousands. (Some are in video format too or happened to be shared later on in the video or comes up during a video about him and his work. Especially nowadays when many of us came out of the woodwork to defend professor Tolkiens legacy from amazons money grubbing hands and so forth. Giving many channels a new lease on life where some make Tolkien related content now amongst other things they create content wise.
The difference between the Ring and a horcrux is that Sauron himself is immortal, an incarnated spirit (think archangel or devil). In forging the Ring, he took a calculated risk: the Ring would give him IMMENSE power and was all but impossible to destroy, but on the off chance it was, he would lose virtually ALL of his power, and he would "ressurrect" as an impotent spirit, unable to manifest again. He was betting HEAVILY on the Catch-22 that anyone wanting to destroy the Ring couldn't, but anyone able to destroy the Ring wouldn't want to.
At the start, Gandalf and Bilbo did not know the full nature of the Ring. Gandalf had to go away for several years to do research, before returning to Frodo to make the final test. Hobbits are not Dwarves. There are also Elves and Humans. Wizards are none of these, but look like elderly men. On the evil side there are Orcs, Goblins, Trolls, Wargs, and more.
At 23:55, if you read Tolkien's earlier children's story The Hobbit or watch the Hobbit movies, you'll meet the younger Bilbo Baggins and find out how he found the Ring and met Gollum.
As far as I know J R Tolkien was born in South Africa but was an English writer and scholar, he wrote Lord of the Rings as English mythology because English mythology was lost when the Romans invaded.
Aragorn lived in Rivendell for a time which is why he is fluent in Sindarin (one of the Elvish languages, and the most common in this era). In fact he's descended from Elrond's brother, Elros, who chose to become mortal in the distant past. (Which makes him Arwen's 60th or so cousin.)
Sindarin is the elder tongue. The elves ancestors that woke beneath the stars beside the Cuiviènen River king before the sun and moon ever existed (even Galadriel witnessed their luminous ascent into the outer layers of the world either outside of the circles of the world or between the circle and the world
At 45:25 you say, "You already know what's going to happen if you use the Ring!" Frodo doesn't have any choice here. Tolkien writes, "...his terror was swallowed up in a sudden temptation to put on the Ring...Not with the hope of escape, or of doing anything, either good or bad: he simply felt that he must take the Ring and put it on his finger." Later, "...he bitterly regretted his foolishness, and reproached himself for weakness of will, for he now perceived that in putting on the Ring he obeyed not his own desire but the commanding wish of his enemies."
56:41 Elrond said I was there 3000 years ago.. Remember.. When ring disappear 2500 years ago, Gollom found it and he also carry that ring for 500 years.. Ring delayed his ages.. So 2500+500 = 3000 years.. :D
Great! New LOTR reaction❤. If you like HP you'll definitely love these movies since HP and many other fantasy movies or book are inspired by Tolkien's work
All modern High Fantasy draws on TLOR. Much as Tolkien drew heavily on Old Nordic Sagas. In fact, his job was translating them to English. But his hobby was inventing languages. He had always lamented that all of the myths and legends of the British Isles were irretrievably lost to time. So he made up new ones. And, of course, filled it with people who spoke his languages. This collected work is The Legendarium. It starts with Eru Iluvatar, the One, in His Timeless Halls. The Silmarillian, or history as recorded by the immortal Elves, has most of the early period covered, since many actually lived for a few tens of thousands of years with The Valar, the demigods who created The World of Thing that ARE, according to the musical themes of Eru Iluvatar, including Earth, and Middle Earth ( a vast continent) and Arda an island continent in the Uttermost West, the Undying Lands.
If you had no prior knowledge of this tale,. your insights are very good, and you express them well. Well done for paying attention, and immersing yourself in the lore.
...I don't mean this in a mean way because I subbed to you and would like to watch more but I think you should talk less and listen more to every word in the movie...I just feel like you feel you need to make some kind of comment after every sentence of dialogue...you don't and by doing so it is very distracting...I don't mean just distracting to the viewer but more importantly, more distracting to you because when you talk, you cannot fully understand what is said in the movie while you are talking...again I am just trying to help make your reactions even better...
I had to stop watching because the constant talking she’s missing so much of what they say talking every 5 seconds and asking questions that can 90% of the time be answered if she heard what was being said instead of talking over it
@@captainchaos3667 you can’t react to something you’re not listening to because you’re talking over it the whole time. If I asked for a reaction I expect the person to listen to the movie and know what’re going on. Not blab the whole time and hear almost nothing
Enjoy the rest of the series! It is such a genre creating series... Much of it is an inspiration for fantasy, including harry potter. So there are tropes you'll certainly recognize. But there's a good reason so many things draw from this... It is amazing! And not just for the stunning imagery. It is a truly beautiful story. It will give you all the feels!
Everything we think about in the fantasy genre today comes from Middle Earth. Before Tolkien fantasy was like Conan and Flash Gordon and Buck Rogers and more individual heroic adventure based. Tolkien was the first author to attempt to create a fully invented world, cultures and languages, and a full overarching mythology, as a setting for his fiction. Literatry critics and social philosophers say there is a straight line from the New Testament, through the Arthurian Grail Myths, to Tolkien's Middle Earth, which remains at the forefront of Western metaphysics.
Dumbledore was played by Richard Harris and Michael Gambon. And well, Jude Law. Gandalf was played by Ian McKellen. I have no doubt that J.K. Rowling was inspired by some work of fantasy, that was in turn inspired by LotR and The Hobbit. That's how long ago those books were written. Tolkien is the father of modern fantasy.
The Lord of the Rings is three books all the films have the title of those books although you can buy Lord of the Rings as one book with all the books combined.
Pippin is the youngest and it shows 🙃 Frodo is the elder of the three, but I guess the ring stopped his aging too. In the book it's twenty years between Frodo gets the ring and until he sets off.
I quite enjoyed your reaction so I'm gonna say - keep going! :) I was a little surprised by your confusion 8:25, not gonna lie. Not all old men with grey beards are the same person😆 I think for your own enjoyment and to better understand the lore you might keep comparisons to other movies to a minimum. Maybe it's because I'm a teacher but I love when people just apply some logic and analyse what's happening. I have definitely seen too many reactors assume Gandalf knows it's the One Ring, even though only us viewers have been told that through the events of the prologue. Too many reactors get confused how the ring works, but they sure call it a horcrux now and then 😉All in all, I'm sure you'll do fine. Happy watching!
I'm trying to be nice but if she keeps calling him Dumbledore I am going to lose it. If you see any similarities in the storyline...Harry Potter/Rowling was HEAVILY (*cough*) "inspired" by The Lord of the Rings. All fantasy in some way was inspired by Tolkien and Tolkien was inspired by older literature as well
I wanna say, with much respect because I too tend to look at things through the lens of something else I like (I playfully love comparing these films to stuff in D&D like trying to come up with what classes these characters would be, but I know that LotR inspired it and most western fantasy after it published), this came first way before. There is no universal or franchise link between the world of Middle-Earth to the world of Harry Potter. ^^
Lord of the Rings is the grand pappy of modern day high fantasy. After all, Tolkien made the actual language of elvish and built his story around the language
Trilogy The Lord Of The Ring Extended Edition: (1) The Felloship Of The Ring Extended Edition (2) The Two Tower Extended Edition (3) The Return Of The King Extended Edition Trilogy The Hobbit Extended Edition Of The Adventures Of Bilbo Baggin: (1) An Unexpected Journey Extended Edition (2) The Desolation Of Smaug Extended Edition (3) The Battle Five Armie Extended Edition
In the name of Udûn lass! How can the younger generation think that the trope of pointy hats for wizards originated with Harry Potter!? It was a big thing even before Tolkien made Lord of the Rings. It at least stretches back to medieval times and the story of Merlin/Emeriss/Myrddin/Merzhin and Arthur/Artorius (although it might be questionable to include the roman rewrite). Rowling merely took the vast majority of wizarding and witch tropes, threw them into her pot, and gave her own spin on it. Which included a lot of her own personal beliefs, perspectives, and experiences at the time.
OK, i think you have had enough of all the LOTR fans raging at you trying to fit Harry Potter into this universe. I won't go own on you, but I think its fair to say you shouldn't link 2 difference universe together, especially when LOTR is of a different level than Harry Potter, being written between WW1 and WW2. That being said, I am a fan of Harry Potter too, jus t the books, not the movies. Anyway I do like your reaction, and despite the length of the movie you pick up pretty quick on the story, like the nine ringwraiths being the original nine men who were given rings by Sauron. One part of the show your translation device seemed to have failed, when Arwen first met Aragorn and the Hobbits. When Frodo saw her, she was basically introducing herself, "I am Arwen. Do not be afraid. Away from the shadow and come back to the light". Then before she mounted the horse, Aragorn was suggesting she stay with the Hobbits while he rode to Rivendell with Frodo, but Arwen argued that she is a better rider, and despite the nine riders, she does not fear facing them and its the best chnace to get Frodo medical attention. Aragorn then reluctantly agreed. (this didn't happen in the books but similar. An Elven prince met them and helped Frodo reach Rivendell faster on the horse, while he, Aragorn and the hobbits tried to hold off the nine riders. The nine riders are powerful but not in conventional sense, they're power lies in instill great fear and panic into everyone except strong hearted people. Most elves are not afraid but few can fight them. Aragorn is one of the rare humans who has the guts to face them, being knowledgeable of their true nature and basically he great up with the Elves.) Before and during the great gallop, she kept on saying Norlin Asfaloth, which is basically "faster Asfaloth". Asfaloth being the name of the horse. Thanks for the video, I did enjoy it overall and your reactions were great. Just watch the references to Harry Potter in future. Its undersandable, but not fair to Tolkien fans and readers. And by the way, the "weed" they keep refering to is actually tobacco, not marijuana or other psychedlic drugs. In Middle Earth, its the one thing that Hobbits invented that the rest of the world, such as Gandalf, adopted, smoking in pipes. Hobbits are a different race to Elves, Men and Dwarves, but Tolkien mentioned that they are more related to Men. As you can see, they look very little, even shorted than dwarves, about 3 1/2 feet on average. They also live a bit longer, 100 plus is normal for them. And it is implied they are resistant to evil, although that isn't quite true. Definitely better than a normal human of course. Save for my main man Aragorn. Please don't mention wands anymore. Despite being of the fantasy sword and sorcery genre, there is more sword here than sorcery. Even Gandalf wields a sword.
Extended scenes at risk of being missed: 1• Frodo/Sam's first meeting with the elves, providing context for Valinor and the elves journey there, as referenced throughout the films and seen at the end of the Return of the King(connects to the passing of the elves in the beginning of their leaving the shire when Frodo and Sam are near the Old Forest by the Shire which leads them to eventually bumping into Merry And Pippin! (An epic scene with Gandalf in Rivendell was also removed as well.) 2. Aragorn singing the Lay of Luthien, providing a parallel between the events of the Beren and Luthien and Aragorn's relationship with Arwen of which every reactor channel I’ve seen makes the connection and it pulls them into a deeper understanding of their relationship every single time. 3. Aragorn kneeling at his mother's grave, giving him some additional backstory for the viewer. 4. Gandalf explaining to Frodo about the corruptive power of the Ring, and how it will strain the Fellowship from the inside, foreshadowing Boromir's downfall. 5. Sam singing a lament for Gandalf, providing more emotional weight to Gandalf's death, referencing the start of the movie and strengthening the connection between him and the Hobbits ( also highlights Tolkien's love of song and poetry in the books). 6. Galadriel giving the gifts to the Fellowship, providing context for their appearance in later films, as well as drawing a parallel between Gimli's gift and the events of the Silmarillion (Fëanor & Galadriel). That’s just the beginning. Including several removed scenes between Aragorn & Galadriel and Aragorn with her husband Celeborn! 7• also the opening explaining Hobbits & their culture to the viewers, so they have a better understanding of these peoples we will be following which also was the direct full chapter called Concerning Hobbits.
Don’t worry. Everybody always mistakes Gandalf for Dumbledore. You see, Tolkien was a huge fan of the Harry Potter movies and based all of his writings off of them. He basically ripped off JK Rowling word for word. I’m surprised she didn’t take legal action against him.
GOOS JOB keep going you are doing great-and yes, she drew from Tolkien's work on many things and its plan to see. Gandolf is not Dumble it's the other way around. No Harry Potter without Tolkien's work. Frodo-Harry Gandalf-Dumble Sauron -Lord Voldemort Horcrux ummmm could that be the Ring...?? OH MY... It's all what YOU like though...Again-Keep going you are doing great. and be aware of the Music score it is amazing. :)
Every time somebody calls Mithrandir "Dumbledore", somewhere a hobbit dies.
And an Elf renounces immortality every time someone calls the Ring a "horcrux".
Saw it coming from a mile away. Yes LOTR is related to Harry Potter in that JK Rowling shamelessly plagiarized from from far superior writers most notably Tolkien.
Yeah, "Wizard Girl" should really know more about wizards.
When I exclaimed that Magneto had grown his beard out, the comic accurate short king Wolverine got stabbed by a Morgul blade.
@@memphistim2001 I'm happy she did. And he wasn't her only source. She knew her mythology and folklore. Btw, even the great Tolkien borrowed from here and there. For example Kalevala, and Der Ring des Nibelungen.
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I do love LOTR. I have read the books more times than I can count, and the same goes for watching the movies 🤩
At 8:00, Gandalf does not look like Dumbledore--Dumbledore looks like Gandalf. Tolkien wrote LOTR before J.K. Rowling was even born, and his work has informed most of modern fantasy literature.
and Gandalf is, in turn, clearly based on Odin.
And they both look like Merlin. 😁
LOTR was written over 40 years before HP.
Tolkien had a huge influence on the fantasy genre pretty much every sword and sorcery film has been influenced by Tolkien in some way and he was influenced by real word myths and legends.
@@WinstonSmith19847 yup
Really if you want to go way back, he was writing draft during ww1.
And if HP was directed by PJ, It'd ways better.
@@paulmartin6209It's actually based in a artificial mythology actually developed by Tolkien during The Great War and there are many, *many* things in Beleriand and Middle Earth (literally an anglophone version of "Midgard" - "The Middle Place", meaning the World of Men in Germanic mythology - you can find a version of this mythology in the MCU) inspired more or less directly by The World War and Tolkien's role in it, starting the War as a cavalry officer and ending up dismounted into the mud of Flanders in time to take part in the terrible slaughter (40.000+ dead on the first day...) of The Somme, echoes of which are in this story later.
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"What is a Hobbit?" Well, thank goodness you watched the extended edition.
yeah
Lord of the Rings and The Hobbit are the original High Fantasy novels, and Gandalf is the standard for all Wizards, including Dumbledore. The Horcrux of Harry Potter is a copy of The Ring.
About the "Weed" they smoke, the author of the original tale enjoyed smoking his pipe. He set this tale in the far distant past, and we're talking thousands of years in the past. He treats it as a story that he discovered rather than wrote. It is rather complicated. But suffice it to say that since he enjoyed smoking so much he had his characters enjoy smoking as well. But since this was far in the past and tobacco is native to the Americas, he couldn't have them smoking tobacco, so he decided to just call it pipe weed, or sometimes just weed. It is not marijuana or anything like that. It is just tobacco but by another name.
Actually Tolkien definitely intends it to be tobacco. He uses the word “tobacco” at least a couple times through the books. Literally the last word in “The Hobbit” novel is “tobacco-jar”. Tolkien’s intro to the 2nd edition of LOTR specifically says their leaf is probably a form of nicotiana (aka tobacco). And he never refers to it as one-word “weed”.
@@Big_Tex The characters called it pipe weed because weed was an Anglo-Saxon word while tobacco was a Spanish word.
At 28:18, Sam calls Frodo "Mr. Frodo," because Sam is Frodo's gardener. He is of a lower social class than Frodo and Bilbo. Class distinctions were a bigger deal in Britain at the time Tolkien was writing LOTR than they were 50 years later when Peter Jackson & Co. were producing the movie, so the Sam of the movies is more the equal of the others than the Sam of the books.
Lord of the Rings - 3 movies 17 Oscar
Harry Potter - 8 movies 0 Oscar
And HP would probably earn some if it's directed by PJ.
The theatrical editions won the oscars. Not the extended. The extended versions are lesser movies.
@@DestinyAwaits19 Nonsense. The extended versions are much better than the already excellent theatric versions.
@@Hauke-ph5ui The extended editions betray the tension throughout the films with subtle humour and levity, and it doesn't do the movies justice. It cheapens their quality. The movies were already perfect the way audiences experienced them in cinema. But the added dialogue only bloats the films down and instead turns them into sequences of light hearted camp and cheer. It eviscerates the foreboding nature of these dark films, and eliminates a very important dread that is sacrosanct to watching Lord of the Rings. They're meant to be dark movies. Not wonderful and merry. Not in the slightest. They're films to be taken seriously, not coddled and loved with jovial banter.
@@DestinyAwaits19 Nothing you say is even remotely true.
But hey, if you prefer the inferior versions of the movies - that's up to you.
8:20 Let's just say that Dumbledore is actually based in large parts on Gandalf. Tolkien is in fact the most important influence on more or less all fantasy novellists (including J.K. Rowlings) that came after him. And no, it is not the same actor. Gandalf is portrayed by Ian McKellen, while Dumbledore is played by Richard Harris in the first two movies and Michael Gambon in the rest (Harris passed away between movies 2 and 3).
J.R.R.Tolkien is without a doubt the most influential fantasy writer of them all. Literally all fantasy writers of the following generations say that he's one of their main influences, the entire RPG genre (D&D in particular) is also heavily influenced by his work.
I strongly recommend to read the most important works of Tolkien after you finished the trilogy: The Silmarillion, The Hobbit and of course the Lord of the Rings trilogy. It should be mentioned though that the Silmarillion can be somewhat harder to read because it is not a novel; it is more of a history book, covering tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of years. It is however hugely important to understand the world lore.
To give a little perspective, the books that this movie was based on were written 12 years before J. K. Rowling was born.
The Lord of the rings is not like Harry Potter, Harry Potter is like Lord of the rings.
I really wasn't expecting a Wizard Girl who's never heard of Gandalf
Funny first reaction :)
Glad to see you doing the extended versions. So many of the questions you had at the beginning are only answered in the extended versions, or in the books.
Also, this story was written as one big book but the publisher split it into three volumes because nobody would buy a book that long. Because of that, only the final book, and movie, has a satisfying ending. The other end in kind of cliff hangers.
The song Aragorn sings has huge importance! Here is the full version: “The leaves were long, the grass was green, The hemlock-umbels tall and fair, And in the glade a light was seen; Of stars in shadow shimmering, Tinnúviel was dancing there, To music of a pipe unseen
And light of stars was in her hair; And in her raiment glimmering
There Beren came from mountains cold; And lost he wandered under leaves; And where the Elven-river rolled. He walked alone and sorrowing. He peered between the hemlock-leaves; And saw in wonder flowers of gold
Upon her mantle and her sleeves; And her hair like shadow following
Enchantment healed his weary feet; That over hills were doomed to roam
And forth he hastened, strong and fleet; And grasped at moonbeams glistening
Through woven woods in Elven-home; She lightly fled on dancing feet
And left him lonely still to roam; In the silent forest listening; He heard there oft the flying sound
Of feet as light as linden-leaves
Or music welling underground; In hidden hollow quavering; Now withered lay the hemlock-sheaves
And one by one with sighing sound
Whispering fell the beachen leaves; In the wintry woodland wavering
He sought her ever, wandering far
Where leaves of years were thickly strewn
By light of moon and ray of star; In frosty heavens shivering
Her mantle glinted in the moon; As on a hill-top high and far
She danced, and at her feet was strewn
A mist of silver quivering
When winter passed, she came again
And her song released the sudden spring,
Like rising lark, and falling rain; And melting water bubbling; He saw the elven-flowers spring
About her feet, and healed again
He longed by her to dance and sing
Upon the grass untroubling
Again she fled, but swift he came
Tinnúviel ! , Tinnúviel !
He called her by her elvish name
And there she halted listening
One moment stood she, and a spell
His voice laid on her: Beren came
And doom fell on Tinúviel
That in his arms lay glistening
As Beren looked into her eyes
Within the shadows of her hair
The trembling starlight of the skies
He saw there mirrored shimmering
Tinnúviel the elven-fair
Immortal maiden elven-wise
About him cast her shadowy hair
And arms like silver glimmering
Long was the way that fate them bore
O'er stony mountains cold and grey
Through halls of ireon and darkling door,
And woods of nightshade morrowless
The Sundering Seas between them lay
And yet at last they met once more
And long ago they passed away
In the forest singing sorrowless”
The true elvish version is far greater and so full of beauty & nuanced mournful sadness that’s break the hearts of mortals from its beauty and sadness so the true song has been sort of taboo and the mannish tongues that retell it is stated to only be a shadow beneath the tree of the true story!
(A clip of it is in the original definitive version though. Viggo Mortenson who plays Aragorn designed the melody and style himself and wished it to sound Celtic in nature.)
I recommend reacting to the cover done by Clamavi De Profundis and Tolkien Ensemble after the trilogy is finished and even “How Howard Shore Used Voices”. You’ll see just how deep it went. The lore itself went into the musics lyrics. Using the languages within middle earth. So even when stuff couldn’t be put in they found other ways to highly reference it via the music. It ties in all the themes at the very end in a very profound way. The thumbnail image for it is Galadriel and the image has a blue tint.
The Lord of The Rings is a densely-written, thousand-plus-page novel rooted in the folklore research of a professor of ancient languages, based on his work over decades starting shortly after World War 1. So don't take this too harshly, but when you bring up Harry Potter, you sound like someone who thinks Shakespeare comes from Spongebob.
Perhaps if she stopped repeating the name Dumbledore and listened to the sound track she'd understand a little more...How many times is she going to ask "is this Harry Potter" while watching a movie called Lord of the Rings........THIS IS NOT Harry Potter............Lord of the Rings is the work that inspired everyone else who ever wrote fantasy.....it's masterpiece, and the movies managed to capture a great deal of its spirit...... Harry Potter et al owe their existence to the works of Tolkien, and virtually everything that appears in the Potterverse was inspired by, and was preceded by, Lord of the Rings.
I feel that "inspired" when talking about Harry Potter is more than a little bit ridiculous. LOTR is part of an entire world with its own history, legends, races, etc. Harry Potter is a low fantasy story that is interwoven with the world of today. How do they even remotely compare?
@@robertdesantis5272 because many of the ideas and concepts, much of the imagery and the themes within Lord of the Rings have, in varying ways, found a home within the Potterverse, and many other works of imaginative fantasy fiction.....I'd say that the sheer depth, richness and sweeping range of LOTR probably inspired many writers to venture into the world of fantasy fiction, and consciously or unconsciously, many of Tolkien's ideas and concepts, would have found their way into much subsequent writing within the fantasy genre......if you can't see the genesis of much of the Potter world's ideas within the pages of Tolkien, then you are definitely missing something...
@@MichaelHill-we7vt there was a way to say this without being so rude
@@deathswitch2404 not sure which of my two comments above, you are referring to, so perhaps there was a way of saying this without being so vague... but in either of my responses, I dont think `I was being rude, merely offering my opinion...if you've taken any offence at either of those comments, which you clearly seem to disagree with, but which were actually not made to you, then that is your problem, since the two people to whom the comments were addressed dont seem to have raised any issues, do they? since you seem to feel strongly enough to make a comment perhaps you'd clarify how or where I was being rude, and tell me why you feel it's your place to raise an objection....
No doubt Rowling's Dumbledore was inspired by Tolkien's Gandalf but Merlin's the OG
One thing is sure. JK Rowling took ideas from several fantasy books and not the other way round. One is Lord of the Rings as fundamental art. But there is also Earthsea by Ursula Le Guin writing the Wizard School idea and wait for it… a bully in it, a very talented wizard kid who has a demon in his shadow always…. We can go on. That was in 1968… so let’s just say, she wasn’t that original as many think who don’t read fantasy.
Those Earthsea books are so so good. I still think Roald Dahl is the biggest influence on Rowling's writing though. You can look at concepts like a school for magic (I think Hogwarts is closer to the one from The Worst Witch than the one from Wizard of Earthsea) but in terms of voice (the way the Dursley's are described reminds me of the way the Twits are introduced), characters (Harry has definite Matilda vibes) and imaginative flourishes (lots of BFG, Marvellous Medicine and Wonka going on in there), it all feels very Roald Dahl, at least with the first couple of books.
not sure anyone is accusing Rowling of being original
When writing her Harry Potter stories, J.K. Rowling was "heavily inspired" by the writings of Prof. Tolkien. You're going to find many elements of Tolkien's stories having parallels in Rowling's stories. Once you've experienced "THE LORD OF THE RINGS" trilogy, do watch "THE HOBBIT" films. They follow the adventure of Bilbo, 60 years prior to this trilogy, and it lays the foundation for the LOTR tale. It will answer many of the questions you have now.
there is a youtube clip "Lord Of The Potter" ... go see it
@@markhellman-pn3hn Thanks, Mark! I'll check it out. :)
LOTR predates HP by over 4 decades.
52:52 No, that's not an owl. That's Gwaihir the Windlord, Lord of the Great Eagles in the Third Age, descendant of Thorondor, the greatest Eagle who ever lived. Gwaihir and his brother Landroval aided Thorondor in the rescue of Beren and Luthien from Angband.
Yes, the lore in this world goes deep.
You will see a lot of similarities between LOTR and Harry Potter. JK Rowling must have read LOTR. I am 75 and I read it first when I was 14. The wonderful scenery you are seeing is New Zealand. All three movies were filmed there in 18 months.
Honestly, she may not have read it and there would still be similarities. Tolkien didn't start the fantasy genre obviously, but I think his influence is so vast that it would be difficult to believe that the authors who inspired Rowling weren't themselves highly influenced by Tolkien. So any modern fantasy writer is at least partially influenced by Tolkien's work, even if they've never read Tolkien themselves. My first fantasy novels were the Incarnations of Immortality and then the Dragonlance novels. I didn't read LOTR until after seeing the movies, to be honest, but I could definitely see the influences at work in the more recent fantasy books I've read.
Edit- Not sure why people feel the need to respond to this comment as if I'm claiming there's no similarities or that Rowling never read Tolkien, because that's not what I said at all.
@@nebulousreactions What you say is true, but I have a hard time imagining a fantasy author who hasn't read Lord of the Rings. I mean, if you love fantasy books enough to want to write one you pretty much have to read Lord of the Rings.
@@hkpew I wrote my first fantasy novel at 16, prior to reading anything by Tolkien.
@@nebulousreactionsJK Rowling says she read the LOTRs when she was a teenager.
@@blairhaffly1777 I hope you didn't interpret what I said as meaning she hadn't. I simply meant it would not be required to explain the similarities because Tolkien's influence is huge. 🙂
Im very happy youre watching the extended version. They are a much better experience. Some people will disagree with that, but the theatrical version of the third movie in particular is not good and is missing some character endings. Most people fall in love with these movies and are sad when they finish, so its rare to see anyone regret watching the extended versions.
And, yep, as a lot of people are saying in the comments. HP derives a lot of its ideas from LOTR. LOTR is the second best selling book in the world, behind the bible, and a lot of fans get a bit possessive of it.
The Elves are shiny because they exist in the spirit and physical worlds and their spirits come from light.
ps the language on the ring is 'like elvish", but its actually black speech, the language of mordor. It says, "Ash nazg durbatulûk, ash nazg gimbatul, ash nazg thrakatulûk agh burzum-ishi krimpatul." - .One Ring to rule them all, One Ring to find them, One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them. "Ash" means "one". "Nazg", means 'ring". And thats why "Nazgul' means 'ring-wraiths". Tolkien was a professor of linguistics and he created the languages for his books. Tolkien's elvish is a fully developed language.
Aragorn is a descendant of Isildur, but also of Elrond's twin brother, who chose a mortal life. After the death of his father, the king of Arnor, and the destruction of Arnor by the Witch King of Angmar's forces (who is also the most powerful of the Nazgul), Aragorn was raised at Rivendell under Elrond's protection. Its through his title as king of Arnor that he claims the high kingship of Gondor.
About 61 years before, Gandalf got Bilbo involved in an adventure with a large group of dwarves. Hobbits aren't normally adventurous so he gained a reputation in the Shire for doing such a thing, and afterwards was always considered to be a bit questionable in the community. It was during this adventure that he gained the ring. I won't say more because a number of years after this movie series was made, Peter Jackson made another series based on "The Hobbit". You may find yourself wanting to watch that after this series is completed.
No not Dumbledore! IF the two were related it would definitely say so. Bilbo said: "I don't know half of you as half as I should like. And I like less than half of you half as well as you deserve." basically said: "Because I am selfish, he would like to 'like more of you' more than he does, and you all deserve better of me." Its a riddle. Tolkien started the writings of this world in the 1930's. Almost every fantasy that has Elves, Dwarves, Orcs and such are derived from LotR. Even their writers will say such. JK Rowling said: "... any similarities between her books and Tolkien's are "Fairly superficial." But there is no denying the stories similarities. BIG PLUS for reaction to Rivendale.
Harry Potter, Game of Thrones... Whatever you seen before all inspired probably from this masterpiece.
Echoing others in the comment section, The Lord of the Rings predates Harry Potter by nearly half a century.
Gandalf, Bilbo, Gollum, the Ring and Elrond were first featured in the Hobbit, released in 1937. Harry Potter was released in 1997.
Tolkien was monumentally influential in fantasy. Sir Terry Pratchett said the following on the subject;
"J.R.R. Tolkien has become a sort of mountain, appearing in all subsequent fantasy in the way that Mt. Fuji appears so often in Japanese prints. Sometimes it’s big and up close. Sometimes it’s a shape on the horizon. Sometimes it’s not there at all, which means that the artist either has made a deliberate decision against the mountain, which is interesting in itself, or is in fact standing on Mt. Fuji."
J.R.R Tolkien (OG of all Authors) was a veteran of the 1st World War & other battles such as The Battle Of Somme etc. his works of art were to give back to the England as a form of restoring lost mythologies that he himself was a master of since he was a top professor of philology at Oxford.
He did ALOT of his writing while in the trenches during WWI during small “breaks” while down in those trench forts built into the ground. And while he eldest son was in the Second World War; his Lord Of The Rings writings was strictly created above all else to give his eldest something to read while stationed wherever he was stationed.
I forgot that part. They sent letters back and forth about it all the time. He was also the one and only son that actually protected his fathers legacy and work.
A lot of his other work were put together BY his son after his father passed away.
It’s well worth to react to the documentary behind the scenes film the director and crew and cast created together as well as the interview with the son Christopher Tolkien who you get to sort of enjoy a nice indoor and outdoor chat for like what came to about 1-2 hours of wonderful footage from an era that really must not be forgotten.
His work shed a light on things like The Finnish Kalevala, Norwegian Elder Edda, The Welsh Mabinogion, The Norwegian Nibelungen, The Indian Bhagvagita & Several Irish Folklore + other Cultural things! The man also restored and translated ancient relics for the governments as one everyone trusted. Much of what’s in our dictionary come from his efforts as well.
Anytime he spoke & even posted several comments into the paper as an editorial or response to certain issues as a very involved man for the world and the environment everyone turned their head to listen to him as everyone knew his worth and respected him greatly. His works show how NOT to glorify war.
The real version and the “theatrical cut”. It was all to make more money for the company that is the theatres/cinemas.
To get more showings in per day during the year. And believe me. People were camping outside and travelling the country to watch it MORE THAN ONCE.
His creations literally lead to inspiring the most currently famous books games & movies we all literally wouldn’t have enjoyed and be touched to our souls core without him and his spiritually connected brilliance. That and he was a philologist professor at Oxford first and foremost which covers so many things.
Not just linguistic. The man was a true genius and Jack of all trades but ultimately LOVED the simple life.
The inspiration for Lord of the Rings was not any war, but author J.R.R. Tolkien's love of language. Especially Welsh, Finnish and Old English.
He lamented the loss of any true English folklore, that was wiped out after the Norman invasion of 1066, so Tolkien wrote many books on these new "legends" he came up with himself. Much of which is centered around three languages he fully developed himself. Two Elven languages and Dwarvish., Númenorean Adunaic, Black Speech(warped Numenorean and elvish)
They all have syntax, vocabularies, and a whole writing system that can be learned as the Tengwar alphabet is moreso to match with the spoken elvish rather than one to one for other country’s alphabet. Hundreds of people worldwide speak elvish fluently. Tolkien did draw upon his personal experience in the trenches of World War ONE, not Two, as inspiration for some parts, most notably, the Dead Marshes that Frodo and Sam and Gollum pass through in The Two Towers. But war was not the inspiration for the entire series.
World Of Warcraft. Elder Scrolls, Oblivion, Elden Ring, Skyrim, Harry Potter, Diablo, Zelda, D&D, especially Warhammer + DragonLance and so forth wouldn’t have. Existed without taking giant inspiration from and or completely ripping off from Tolkien.
Good job Makkaru. You always save me a lot of writing. Cheers!
0:46 First off I apologizes for those being highly rude with their comments, its understandable you’re a HP fan who’s never really seen the master of almost all fantasy lore inspired movies or tv shows but be deeply appreciated if people respectfully stop comparing HP with LOTR franchise because that was created back in 50s long before J.K Rowlings the writer of Harry potter books was born as well as half the nation 😅 even though both first films came out in the same year.
At 31:52 Tolkien writes, "Hobbits have a passion for mushrooms, surpassing even the greediest likings of Big People." In fact, Chapter 4 of Book I of FOTR is titled, "A Short Cut to Mushrooms," which explains this line of dialogue.
J.R.R. Tolkien's 'The Hobbit' was published in 1937. The three volumes of 'The Lord of the Rings' were published in 1954 to 1955. No relation to Harry Potter (1997).
Hobbits age a little slower than the Big Folk (Men), so reaching 100 years old isn't unusual. Dwarves are even more long-lived, and Elves are effectively immortal.
It’s unsurprising that there are so many similarities to Harry Potter here: JK Rowling has openly admitted that one of her inspirations was Tolkien.
Lord of the rings was written 40 years before Harry potter , so basically HP is inspired from lord of the rings.
i would call it outright STOLEN .. but ok ^^
@@7thSmurf 🤣🤣🤣
19:27 “He’s leaving him the kid here to figure it all himself”
It kinda seems that way but I think it’s the opposite, Gandalf knows that there are magic rings out in the world but he doesn’t know if *this* ring is the super evil One Ring or not, so he’s going on a research quest to find out everything about that ring and telling Frodo “Keep it secret. Keep it safe.” Meaning until Gandalf has confirmation that this isn’t the super evil bad ring of ultimate badness, we don’t talk about the ring, we don’t use the ring, we don’t even think about the ring.
No, the hobbut was written in the 1930s, Lord off the rings in the 1950s. Harry potter wasn't written into the 1990s.
The fact that you mistook Gandalf for Dumbledore would suggest that you didn't notice that the actor playing Dumbledore in the first 2 Harry Potter movies wasn't the same actor playing him in the rest of the movies 🥴
She looks rather young, so she probably saw HP while she was younger still, so it was all she knew of this genre.
Bilbo Walking Song: “Roads go ever ever on, Over rock and under tree, By caves where never sun has shone, By streams that never find the sea; Over snow by winter sown,
And through the merry flowers of June,Over grass and over stone,
And under mountains in the moon.
Roads go ever ever on
Under cloud and under star,
Yet feet that wandering have gone
Turn at last to home afar.
Eyes that fire and sword have seen
And horror in the halls of stone
Look at last on meadows green
And trees and hills they long have known”
The original version of the song is recited by Bilbo in the last chapter of The Hobbit, at the end of his journey back to the Shire. Coming to the top of a rise he sees his home in the distance, and stops and essentially sings what I shared above!
There are three versions of this walking song in The Lord of the Rings.
The first is sung by Bilbo when he leaves the Shire and is setting off to visit Rivendell:
“The Road goes ever on and on,
Down from the door where it began.
Now far ahead the Road has gone,
And I must follow, if I can,
Pursuing it with eager feet,
Until it joins some larger way
Where many paths and errands meet.
And whither then? I cannot say.”
The second version is identical except for changing the word "eager" to "weary" in the fifth line. It is spoken aloud, slowly, by Frodo, as he and his companions pause on their way to Crickhollow, looking beyond to lands that some of them have never seen before.
The third version is spoken by Bilbo in Rivendell after the hobbits have returned from their journey. Bilbo is now an old, sleepy hobbit, who murmurs the verse and then falls asleep.
“The Road goes ever on and on
Out from the door where it began.
Now far ahead the Road has gone,
Let others follow it who can!
Let them a journey new begin,
But I at last with weary feet
Will turn towards the lighted inn,
My evening-rest and sleep to meet.”
1977: The Hobbit (1977 film): Sections of the poem are sung during the trip through Mirkwood. It appears on the soundtrack titled "Roads".
1980: The Return of the King (1980 film):
A song inspired by the poem is sung at the end of the film called "Roads Go Ever, Ever On".
1981: The Lord of the Rings (1981 radio series):
Bilbo sings the song as he leaves Bag End. It is sung by John Le Mesurier to a tune by Stephen Oliver.
1997: An Evening in Rivendell:
The Tolkien Ensemble adapted an original melody to the song, composed by Caspar Reiff.
2001: The Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the Ring:
Parts of the song are sung by Gandalf in his first appearance, and also by Bilbo as he leaves Bag End.
2006: The Lord of the Rings Musical:
The poem is the basis of the song "The Road Goes On" sung by Sam, Frodo, Merry, and Pippin in the first act.
2014: The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies:
Lines of the poem partially make up the lyrics of The Last Goodbye, performed by Billy Boyd(Pippin) for the credits of the film.
This is just stuff to know when you see the next films. Maybe seeing this will spark something you read here or in other people’s comments via future reactions to the other 2 films as well as the 3 The Hobbit movies!
Please don't go after her in the comments she will learn about the story you don't have to be mean to her
It doesn't bother me personally but I've seen how nasty some OG Lord of the Rings fans can get when you compare this to Harry Potter, so just FYI, this came first and they have no relation to one another. This is one of the OG fantasy stories, so it's kind of a big deal to fantasy buffs, and they can get pretty pissy about it. So just be prepared for that.
I think there's something up with your audio. I hear you fine, and I can hear some of the music score, but all the dialogue is so faint and echoing that I can't understand it, so I can't really follow what you're commenting on half the time.
People want to distance themselves from Joanne because she has fallen off so hard these days. Harry Potter also has some pretty questionable character dynamics in retrospect, so I can understand where some of the bitterness comes from. esp since Tolkien predates it by like, a lot
@@bitterzombie To be fair, old school LOTR fans have always been a been touchy about any comparisons to Harry Potter, even before Rowling started behaving the way she currently does. I'm a huge HP fan as well, but criticisms of character dynamics are probably valid. I always felt, even as reading it as a young teen, that the whole house elf subplot was uncomfortable. A whole race enslaved, and 99% of them like it that way? It's not a great look, and I'm glad it was cut from the movies.
Nasty?? For simply sharing our opinions? And you qualify that as nasty. Maybe you're just a bit soft.
@@Whiskey0880 I didn't say sharing an opinion is nasty. I said they can be nasty when sharing that opinion. And you're certainly not proving otherwise.
@@nebulousreactions Fans can be nasty when talking about HP/LOTR and it's not nice. I think you can express yourself without making someone feel like crap for speaking. This reaction for me was hard to get through the first part because of all the HP talk. I know no one wants spoilers but I believe it would help a lot of reactors if they knew a little bit about the books/films before reacting especially if they are coming from the HP world. At the very least know when the books were published so they don't look a bit silly asking if HP & LOTR are in the same world or keep going on and on about destroying the ring like it's the easiest thing to do
Wizards aren't unique to the Harry Potter universe....and The Lord of the Rings (and its prequel, The Hobbit) were written some 40 years or more before J.K. Rowling took pen to paper, which makes Dumbledore sort of a descendant of Tolkien's Gandalf. Moreover, NOT played by the same actor. Dumbledore was portrayed by Richard Harris and, later, by Michael Gambon (after Harris' unfortunate passing); Gandalf is played by Sir Ian McKellan.
At 42:00, Strider is singing lines from the Lay of Luthien, which told the story of Luthien and Beren, lovers from the First Age, over 6,000 years ago. You can read a fuller account in The Silmarillion, Tolkien's "Bible" of Middle-earth. Its relevance to our story will become clear later on.
6000 years ago barely gets you into the second age. The first age is where time flowed very differently.
At 13:35, the unpleasant Otho and Lobelia Sackville-Baggins are Bilbo's closest relatives and have been wanting to inherit Bilbo's Hobbit-hole, Bag End, for the past 60 years. Bilbo adopted Frodo some years back, so the S-Bs are out of luck.
J,K, Rawlings was a big fan of Lord of the rings as a child. It inspired her to become an author. Many fantasy stories are inspired by these books written in the early 1950´s. (Link is Legolas, Dombledore is Gandalf....)
The Hobbit was published in 1937. The LotR was published in 1954.
Welcome to what I consider the greatest movies ever. As I'm sure other will tell you, the Lord of the Rings was written many years before Harry Potter. If anything, Dumbledore is Gandalf, not the other way around. But this is a very different story and many wonders await you.
The elves Sam and Frodo see aren't ghosts - they're completlely alive. Elves are immortal, and as their power wanes in Middle Earth, threy grow weary of life, and travel west to the Gray Havens (an elvish settlement on the shores of the sea) to take ship and sail into the west and return to Valinor (which is a physical place - sort of - as well as the home of Middle Earth's gods the - the Valar - and the final dwelling place of the elves). It's part Faerie, part Olympus and part afterlife. In the distant past most of the elves - the first race to awaken in Middle Earth traveled to Valnior to live with the Valar. Some stayed behind in Middle Earth, and others returned to Middle Earth to fight Morgoth - the fallen Valar and Sauron's old boss - against the vishes of the Valar. Thousands of years later after to much war and sorrow, the last of the elves in ME are slowly leaving for Valinor, leaving Middle Earth and the mortal realm to humanity.
Note - this is all form a long-time Tolkien nerd and if any of it comes off as critical, I apologize. Not my intent. I love seeing new people being introduced to Lord of the Rings and hopefully this helps understand what's going on in the movie better.
It's understandable that you see so many similarities to Harry Potter, but as others have mentioned, these books were written long before the HP books (from the 1930s-1950s). J.R.R. Tolkien's works (notably The Hobbit and Lord of the Rings) are one of the primary foundations of all fantasy written since.
The people Bilbo was hiding from are the Sackville-Baggins, a relation of his who hoped to inherit Bag End (the fancy house Bilbo lives in) some day and were always a nuisance to Bilbo. They have a larger role in the books. This scene was only in the extended version and is a bit of a treat thrown to readers of the original books.
When Bilbo found the ring, there was a much larger scene between him and Gollum (from the book The Hobbit). In the movie intro, you're given a very (very) brief overview of the history of the ring.
Remember, the ring has a will of it's own and can exert it's will on others. Frodo using/handling the ring when he shouldn't is the result of the ring's will overcoming his.
The giant bird that saves Gandalf is one of the Great Eagles, a very powerful and ancient being in Middle Earth.
FYI - Elves are immortal, so they can be 1000s of years old.
Regarding Arwen and the wraiths - They are afraid of water itself which contains the song of creation of the entire world. All water does. Same as our world which is our Midgard. The Ainulindalë. And the main Ainu of the waters is Ulmo, & Númenorean Men’s patron “deity” of sorts who loves all of middle earth and the peoples of all of Arda.
They don’t have physical bodies so if they entered the water they’d have to essentially be reconstituted either by Sauron himself or some sort of Orc or black Númenorean shaman or they’ll take some time to reform themselves as the fan never have a body.
They are passing into Elrond's domain also which is super sacred and highly sanctified and hallowed ground filled with the pristine energies of the old world. Where the very air you breath is electrified, full of life. The trees gleam with more brightness and so forth, they commune with the elves in many ways and even several men who have the sensibilities to do so.
The land around Rivendell is infused with the magic of Vilya, Elrond's Ring of Power which is why the elven domains (Rivendell and Lothlorien) still have the magic that is mostly lost from the rest of Middle Earth. They fear Elrond and the power of his ring so they hesitate but ultimately continue. I think Arwen is literally calling on the Bruinen river to help her repel the wraiths
“Nîn o Chithaeglir lasto beth dhaer; Rimmo nîn Bruinen dan in Ulaer.” This “spell” is in Sindarin so it Remains in true Tolkiens spirit! Despite the exact line was only for the movies - English : “Waters of the Misty Mountains, hear the word of power; Rush, waters of Bruinen, against the Ringwraiths!”
Lady Arwen calls upon the powers of the Misty Mountains and the river Bruinen to rise up as a defense against the evil Ringwraiths. It is a moving reminder of how the Elves once lived in harmony with the lands and waters, able to communicate with spirits of nature.
Even now, glimpses remain of their ancient abilities, though fading as the Third Age comes to a close.
when lessons in Sindarin reveal deeper insights into the history and cultures of Middle-Earth.
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“Waters of the Misty Mountains, listen to the great word, flow waters of Loudwater, against the Ringwraiths.”
Ulmo ain't no pushover. Only the evil Men under Sauron's dominion willingly traverse and enter any large body of water. It's of course not mentioned in the movies, but the reason is that Sauron and his servants are afraid of Ulmo, his power, and stay away from water.
Sauron surpasses Morgoth in a way, since he actually amassed fleets in his service and gained dominion over the sea in that fashion. Ulmo is the reason Elrond has the power to release the flood at all; unless - of course - they've got a whole sophisticated dam-setup going on. The Brandywine is
- I suppose - too deep and wide for them, and I'm guessing their forms of nothingness can't withstand any water that Ulmo hasn't completely withdrawn from. Probably something to do with the songs of creation that inhabit all the waters of Middle Earth.
Nazgul's horses are most likely undead, that is to say that they have horse's bodies but dark spirits inhabit them now instead. If they were normal horses, they would never consent to bear a ringwraith in the first place- they would immediately fly into a panic, because the nazgul "fill all living things with an instinctive dread".
It's really nice to see someone who enjoys fantasy experience Tolkien for the first time. You will see a lot of motifs that get adapted in other media, these movies themselves are adaptations and vary in many ways from the original books. But if you enjoy the wonder of feeling immersed in a world of imagination, there is always more magic to discover in the lore of Middle Earth.
This story has nothing to do with the Harry Potter story. Harry Potter writer borrowed from Lord of the Rings. The Lord of the Rings was written before the Harry Potter writer was probably born. Dumbledore and Gandalf, the wizards, were played by two totally different (but Great) actors. Two different, but good movies.😊
I hope after this onwe don't hear the HP comparison so much. I LOVE both series. But...many fantasy stories that were successful borrowed a lot from this series. And many things in the LOTR series were inspired by ancient Germanic and Norse mythology.
I saw FOTR with my brother when I was like a sophomore in high school. It was so much fun-we went to the midnight showing...there was a blizzard and we got into a car-totaling crash on the way home. LOL Night to remember for sure.
Please try to balance the sound levels between the movie and your voice. I had to turn up my volume to hear the movie, but then your voice becomes far too loud.
But yes, it's great that you're doing the extended versions, and making the effort to produce generously lengthy reaction videos. 🙂
26:48 It is legitimately difficult to get other fantasy magic systems out of your head and setting information with it, when absorbing a new one.
As an old head fan that was watching The Hobbit animated movie as a child and LOTR.. believe me when i say were all lucky to be alive to see this brought to life with the CGI of today... i hope EVERYONE sees the entire series at least once (im on my 150th🙄 X).the best part of these movies besides the incredible imagination is the personal conversations and speeches.. hopefully you have a huge TV screen 😅n im looking forward to seeing your reaction to the entire series...you only have about 109 hours of film to watch.. enjoy 😅✌️🔥
At 10:08, Hobbits live a bit longer than Men; Tolkien writes that Hobbits reach 100 as often as not. So Bilbo is very old, but not unnaturally old. Gandalf gives Bilbo a hard look here, because Bilbo looks no older than he did when he found the Ring 60 years previously.
At 40:45, in the Prologue to LOTR, "Concerning Hobbits," Tolkien writes, '"Their faces were as a rule good-natured rather than beautiful, broad, bright-eyed, red-cheeked, and with mouths apt to laughter, and to eating and drinking. And laugh they did, and eat and drink, often and heartily, being fond of simple jests at all times, and of six meals a day (when they could get them)."
no its not harry potter. lotr books were written before harry potter books, lotr movies were made before harry potter movies
I'm sorry, but saying that Aragorn and Boromir look alike is just so fucking funny to me.😅🤣🤣
They don’t. That’s like saying POC look alike
#1 If you keep comparing this to Harry Potter the fandom will be very, very annoyed.
Gollum is a Stoor an early form of Hobbit who lived along waterways.
Gandalf is not Dumbledore and they have no relation to each other.Gandalf was portrayed by Ian McClellan and Dumbledore was played by Richard Harris and Michael Gambon. Lord of the Rings was written in the 1950's and is the basis for all modern medieval fantasy so many of the same elements show up in other fantasy stories. All those others are copying or inspired by LOTR. Gandalf is also not a wizard like Harry Potter wizards are. He is basically an angel sent to Middle Earth as an advisor and while he does have some powers they are limited. He has spent 3000 years as a mortal. There are five wizards that were send to Middle Earth by the Valar. Saruman the White, leader and most powerful of the wizards, Gandalf the Gray who was sent as an advisor to gently urge the peoples of Middle Earth down the right path, Radagast the Brown who mostly concerned himself with the forests and nature and finally the two Blue wizards whose names and purpose has been lost to time.
Magic in Middle Earth is different. What would appear to be magical to humans is just another aspect of the natural world to the elves. So no one is waving wands it just is what it is.
Elves are immortal but they can be killed but even then their spirit goes to the Halls of Mandos where they await resurrection and they can return to the elven homeland, Valinor. Elrond is about 6500 years old. Galadriel is over 8000 years old. Arwen is fairly young at about 1500 years old.
The writing on the ring is an Elvish script, but the language is Black Speech, of Mordor.
The elven homeland is middle earth. Their ancestors woke to the stars beside the Cuiviénen River.
She’s way older than that. Hope you get a chance to see my Galadriel comments on her part two!
Nope. Arwen is 3000 years old. And the last of the Eldar to be born upon middle earth (which isn’t all of Arda)
At 5:51 you say, "It's a cool building of like circular architecture." That's because it is a very fancy hole in the ground. The first words of Tolkien's children's story The Hobbit begins: "In a hole in the ground there lived a Hobbit."
40:47 In Poland they say second breakfast. something like brunch. but not really.
The movies = masterpieces, In book Isildur NEVER succumbs to The One Ring, instead spends time being a fair ruler, gave power away to the people INSTEAD of being power hungry. He comes to realize that he is not powerful enough to truly bend the ring to his will. That it will eventually overcome him. Isildur resolves to give the ring to Elrond but is killed on the way to Rivendel. It's a tragic story of a man that tries to right his wrong but ultimately fails.
In the books isildur literally repented and was about to bring the ring to Rivendell and apologize as he recognized it was beyond him even for a great numenorean connected to the faithful line of the mighty Elendil
I preface the prologue & war, other depictions I LOVE, captured the themes WELL, the vibe of the whole trilogy! The significance of the duel between Elendil & Sauron was Nerffed; (He wasn’t some random old bloke in armour getting smacked around) This man was MIGHTY and gleaming with power which you’ll find out in the great videos you’ll soon react to with joy!
* He and Gil-Galad; last true Elven King battled Sauron and slayed Sauron’s physical body and both died in the process. GilGalad was held high by the face for all free peoples to see as he then incinerated his bodily form to a crisp of ash! Isildur was part of the fight too but not as prominently and he just comes up to the body to cut the ring finger off and…. So one example is how easily Sauron is killed in the intro.
* • He's set up as this super powered badass, but all you have to do is cut off his finger? That's not how it went down in the book, where the greatest man-king and the greatest elven-king had to double-team Sauron to strike down his body, but were killed in the effort (Isildur then cuts the ring from the corpse).
Especially for elves the title of king has many meanings & by the Third Age there isn’t a population large enough to even attempt to such a thing as creating a unified kingdom, which would put a target on their backs, let alone many of them are beyond all of that anyway as it’s seen as doing more harm than anything good.
* They also seen what happened when the elves fell upon the swords of their own hubris and passion no matter if it was for the right reasons some of the time. That it always ended up in some sort of tragedy which sometimes even damaged the earth itself.
They had long known about what’s called the Long Defeat as ever since Morgoth’s marring of the land itself; pouring his remnants into it that caused the “magic” to slowly drain away from the land itself, which is sad because for ages several clans of elves were born there. even the greatest ancestors were “born” in middle earth awakening to the stars !
Many of who are left have accepted the next phase of their life which is to become councillors, healers and loremasters to those with the heart to listen and the desire to learn. But above all the guardians and custodians of several things and the world itself for as long as they can remain!❤ The elves “exist” as long as the world does. And Tolkien made it obvious in many ways that it’s our world as he restored Anglo Saxon culture/Mythologies and folklore, and their languages too alongside Irish, Welsh and Finnish mythologies too. Especially Norwegian(of which I am)
This is what Amazon (the show that shall not be named) didn’t deliver either [[AKA the actual story which inspired everything we love into existence with games and movies and books and so forth. Skyrim, elder scrolls, oblivion, Diablo, and world of Warcraft and D&D. And Game Of Thrones was hugely inspired by Tolkien… yet as the godfather of everything and the heart of what caused many peoples lives to be saved cannot get the justice it deserves for adaptations?
People literally conquered cancer because of the books and the trilogy, the books were read to their children for years. All 25 of them. The man was a hugely respected scholar and professor in the world. Translated ancient artifacts and hieroglyphs and petroglyphs and so forth for the government etc.
(JRR Tolkien even rejected being recruited into the CIA several times & he wrote everyone by letter and referenced the dudes who came to him as “little boys who knew not what they got themselves into” which showed his fearlessness.). The readers of the trilogy that came out are who he writes back to despite always replying to everyone back and forth.
Many people have shared the stories regarding these conversations which were past down throughout the family lines of the people who had a personal relationship with Tolkien which was hundreds of people when he was alive. Thousands. (Some are in video format too or happened to be shared later on in the video or comes up during a video about him and his work.
Especially nowadays when many of us came out of the woodwork to defend professor Tolkiens legacy from amazons money grubbing hands and so forth. Giving many channels a new lease on life where some make Tolkien related content now amongst other things they create content wise.
The difference between the Ring and a horcrux is that Sauron himself is immortal, an incarnated spirit (think archangel or devil). In forging the Ring, he took a calculated risk: the Ring would give him IMMENSE power and was all but impossible to destroy, but on the off chance it was, he would lose virtually ALL of his power, and he would "ressurrect" as an impotent spirit, unable to manifest again. He was betting HEAVILY on the Catch-22 that anyone wanting to destroy the Ring couldn't, but anyone able to destroy the Ring wouldn't want to.
At the start, Gandalf and Bilbo did not know the full nature of the Ring. Gandalf had to go away for several years to do research, before returning to Frodo to make the final test.
Hobbits are not Dwarves. There are also Elves and Humans. Wizards are none of these, but look like elderly men.
On the evil side there are Orcs, Goblins, Trolls, Wargs, and more.
At 23:55, if you read Tolkien's earlier children's story The Hobbit or watch the Hobbit movies, you'll meet the younger Bilbo Baggins and find out how he found the Ring and met Gollum.
As far as I know J R Tolkien was born in South Africa but was an English writer and scholar, he wrote Lord of the Rings as English mythology because English mythology was lost when the Romans invaded.
Also he didn't like the story
of King Arthur.
I heard he didn't like the mythology of King Arthur.
@@stephengibson4217 Tolkien didn't like a lot of other fantasy writer's stuff. He was very particular in his taste.
@stephengibson4217 The English myths were lost after the Normans invaded. England did not exist during Roman times.
Aragorn lived in Rivendell for a time which is why he is fluent in Sindarin (one of the Elvish languages, and the most common in this era). In fact he's descended from Elrond's brother, Elros, who chose to become mortal in the distant past. (Which makes him Arwen's 60th or so cousin.)
Since he was a child.
On his human Númenorean side he’s more than 60th. He’s like 1000 times removed
Sindarin is the elder tongue. The elves ancestors that woke beneath the stars beside the Cuiviènen River king before the sun and moon ever existed (even Galadriel witnessed their luminous ascent into the outer layers of the world either outside of the circles of the world or between the circle and the world
The two main LOTR illustrators Alan Lee and John Howe were on the set, creating Rivendell, for example.
At 45:25 you say, "You already know what's going to happen if you use the Ring!" Frodo doesn't have any choice here. Tolkien writes, "...his terror was swallowed up in a sudden temptation to put on the Ring...Not with the hope of escape, or of doing anything, either good or bad: he simply felt that he must take the Ring and put it on his finger." Later, "...he bitterly regretted his foolishness, and reproached himself for weakness of will, for he now perceived that in putting on the Ring he obeyed not his own desire but the commanding wish of his enemies."
Gandalf came many decades before Dummbledore!!!!!
Hope you enjoy the series. It’s to see the cinematography wow people after 20 years. I wish I could see it again for the first time!
56:41 Elrond said I was there 3000 years ago.. Remember.. When ring disappear 2500 years ago, Gollom found it and he also carry that ring for 500 years.. Ring delayed his ages.. So 2500+500 = 3000 years.. :D
The version is extended, my subscription is expected.
Great! New LOTR reaction❤. If you like HP you'll definitely love these movies since HP and many other fantasy movies or book are inspired by Tolkien's work
All modern High Fantasy draws on TLOR. Much as Tolkien drew heavily on Old Nordic Sagas. In fact, his job was translating them to English. But his hobby was inventing languages. He had always lamented that all of the myths and legends of the British Isles were irretrievably lost to time. So he made up new ones. And, of course, filled it with people who spoke his languages.
This collected work is The Legendarium. It starts with Eru Iluvatar, the One, in His Timeless Halls. The Silmarillian, or history as recorded by the immortal Elves, has most of the early period covered, since many actually lived for a few tens of thousands of years with The Valar, the demigods who created The World of Thing that ARE, according to the musical themes of Eru Iluvatar, including Earth, and Middle Earth ( a vast continent) and Arda an island continent in the Uttermost West, the Undying Lands.
If you had no prior knowledge of this tale,. your insights are very good, and you express them well. Well done for paying attention, and immersing yourself in the lore.
...I don't mean this in a mean way because I subbed to you and would like to watch more but I think you should talk less and listen more to every word in the movie...I just feel like you feel you need to make some kind of comment after every sentence of dialogue...you don't and by doing so it is very distracting...I don't mean just distracting to the viewer but more importantly, more distracting to you because when you talk, you cannot fully understand what is said in the movie while you are talking...again I am just trying to help make your reactions even better...
I had to stop watching because the constant talking she’s missing so much of what they say talking every 5 seconds and asking questions that can 90% of the time be answered if she heard what was being said instead of talking over it
It's supposed to be a reaction you know.
@@captainchaos3667 you can’t react to something you’re not listening to because you’re talking over it the whole time. If I asked for a reaction I expect the person to listen to the movie and know what’re going on. Not blab the whole time and hear almost nothing
@@xAstrologiathen you’d love KSO who pauses and has wondrous things to say as it shows she’s getting so immersed
Nah she's doing fine. I like how she voices out her thoughts.
Enjoy the rest of the series! It is such a genre creating series... Much of it is an inspiration for fantasy, including harry potter. So there are tropes you'll certainly recognize. But there's a good reason so many things draw from this... It is amazing! And not just for the stunning imagery. It is a truly beautiful story. It will give you all the feels!
Everything we think about in the fantasy genre today comes from Middle Earth. Before Tolkien fantasy was like Conan and Flash Gordon and Buck Rogers and more individual heroic adventure based. Tolkien was the first author to attempt to create a fully invented world, cultures and languages, and a full overarching mythology, as a setting for his fiction. Literatry critics and social philosophers say there is a straight line from the New Testament, through the Arthurian Grail Myths, to Tolkien's Middle Earth, which remains at the forefront of Western metaphysics.
Dumbledore was played by Richard Harris and Michael Gambon. And well, Jude Law. Gandalf was played by Ian McKellen. I have no doubt that J.K. Rowling was inspired by some work of fantasy, that was in turn inspired by LotR and The Hobbit. That's how long ago those books were written. Tolkien is the father of modern fantasy.
The Lord of the Rings is three books all the films have the title of those books although you can buy Lord of the Rings as one book with all the books combined.
Pippin is the youngest and it shows 🙃
Frodo is the elder of the three, but I guess the ring stopped his aging too. In the book it's twenty years between Frodo gets the ring and until he sets off.
17 years. And, he is not a "kid" even at the beginning. He is 33 when the story begins and 50 when he starts his quest.
I quite enjoyed your reaction so I'm gonna say - keep going! :) I was a little surprised by your confusion 8:25, not gonna lie. Not all old men with grey beards are the same person😆 I think for your own enjoyment and to better understand the lore you might keep comparisons to other movies to a minimum. Maybe it's because I'm a teacher but I love when people just apply some logic and analyse what's happening. I have definitely seen too many reactors assume Gandalf knows it's the One Ring, even though only us viewers have been told that through the events of the prologue. Too many reactors get confused how the ring works, but they sure call it a horcrux now and then 😉All in all, I'm sure you'll do fine. Happy watching!
thanks!
I'ts so funny how butthurt people get when you make harry potter comparisons 😂 people need to get a grip, I'ts just an observation out of ignorance
(fun fact) EVERYONE missed a car in the backround !! ... the mistake made it into the theatres !! ... it was eventually edited out
You need to either turn on subtitles or get a DVD with them pre-written.
I'm trying to be nice but if she keeps calling him Dumbledore I am going to lose it. If you see any similarities in the storyline...Harry Potter/Rowling was HEAVILY (*cough*) "inspired" by The Lord of the Rings. All fantasy in some way was inspired by Tolkien and Tolkien was inspired by older literature as well
I wanna say, with much respect because I too tend to look at things through the lens of something else I like (I playfully love comparing these films to stuff in D&D like trying to come up with what classes these characters would be, but I know that LotR inspired it and most western fantasy after it published), this came first way before. There is no universal or franchise link between the world of Middle-Earth to the world of Harry Potter. ^^
Lord of the Rings is the grand pappy of modern day high fantasy. After all, Tolkien made the actual language of elvish and built his story around the language
Having 2nd breakfast at The Prancing Pony is livin'.
Trilogy The Lord Of The Ring Extended Edition:
(1) The Felloship Of The Ring Extended Edition
(2) The Two Tower Extended Edition
(3) The Return Of The King Extended Edition
Trilogy The Hobbit Extended Edition Of The Adventures Of Bilbo Baggin:
(1) An Unexpected Journey Extended Edition
(2) The Desolation Of Smaug Extended Edition
(3) The Battle Five Armie Extended Edition
In the name of Udûn lass! How can the younger generation think that the trope of pointy hats for wizards originated with Harry Potter!? It was a big thing even before Tolkien made Lord of the Rings. It at least stretches back to medieval times and the story of Merlin/Emeriss/Myrddin/Merzhin and Arthur/Artorius (although it might be questionable to include the roman rewrite). Rowling merely took the vast majority of wizarding and witch tropes, threw them into her pot, and gave her own spin on it. Which included a lot of her own personal beliefs, perspectives, and experiences at the time.
OK, i think you have had enough of all the LOTR fans raging at you trying to fit Harry Potter into this universe. I won't go own on you, but I think its fair to say you shouldn't link 2 difference universe together, especially when LOTR is of a different level than Harry Potter, being written between WW1 and WW2.
That being said, I am a fan of Harry Potter too, jus t the books, not the movies.
Anyway I do like your reaction, and despite the length of the movie you pick up pretty quick on the story, like the nine ringwraiths being the original nine men who were given rings by Sauron.
One part of the show your translation device seemed to have failed, when Arwen first met Aragorn and the Hobbits. When Frodo saw her, she was basically introducing herself, "I am Arwen. Do not be afraid. Away from the shadow and come back to the light".
Then before she mounted the horse, Aragorn was suggesting she stay with the Hobbits while he rode to Rivendell with Frodo, but Arwen argued that she is a better rider, and despite the nine riders, she does not fear facing them and its the best chnace to get Frodo medical attention. Aragorn then reluctantly agreed.
(this didn't happen in the books but similar. An Elven prince met them and helped Frodo reach Rivendell faster on the horse, while he, Aragorn and the hobbits tried to hold off the nine riders. The nine riders are powerful but not in conventional sense, they're power lies in instill great fear and panic into everyone except strong hearted people. Most elves are not afraid but few can fight them. Aragorn is one of the rare humans who has the guts to face them, being knowledgeable of their true nature and basically he great up with the Elves.)
Before and during the great gallop, she kept on saying Norlin Asfaloth, which is basically "faster Asfaloth". Asfaloth being the name of the horse.
Thanks for the video, I did enjoy it overall and your reactions were great. Just watch the references to Harry Potter in future. Its undersandable, but not fair to Tolkien fans and readers.
And by the way, the "weed" they keep refering to is actually tobacco, not marijuana or other psychedlic drugs. In Middle Earth, its the one thing that Hobbits invented that the rest of the world, such as Gandalf, adopted, smoking in pipes.
Hobbits are a different race to Elves, Men and Dwarves, but Tolkien mentioned that they are more related to Men. As you can see, they look very little, even shorted than dwarves, about 3 1/2 feet on average. They also live a bit longer, 100 plus is normal for them. And it is implied they are resistant to evil, although that isn't quite true. Definitely better than a normal human of course. Save for my main man Aragorn.
Please don't mention wands anymore. Despite being of the fantasy sword and sorcery genre, there is more sword here than sorcery. Even Gandalf wields a sword.
Extended scenes at risk of being missed: 1• Frodo/Sam's first meeting with the elves, providing context for Valinor and the elves journey there, as referenced throughout the films and seen at the end of the Return of the King(connects to the passing of the elves in the beginning of their leaving the shire when Frodo and Sam are near the Old Forest by the Shire which leads them to eventually bumping into Merry And Pippin!
(An epic scene with Gandalf in Rivendell was also removed as well.)
2. Aragorn singing the Lay of Luthien, providing a parallel between the events of the Beren and Luthien and Aragorn's relationship with Arwen of which every reactor channel I’ve seen makes the connection and it pulls them into a deeper understanding of their relationship every single time.
3. Aragorn kneeling at his mother's grave, giving him some additional backstory for the viewer.
4. Gandalf explaining to Frodo about the corruptive power of the Ring, and how it will strain the Fellowship from the inside, foreshadowing Boromir's downfall.
5. Sam singing a lament for Gandalf, providing more emotional weight to Gandalf's death, referencing the start of the movie and strengthening the connection between him and the Hobbits ( also highlights Tolkien's love of song and poetry in the books).
6. Galadriel giving the gifts to the Fellowship, providing context for their appearance in later films, as well as drawing a parallel between Gimli's gift and the events of the Silmarillion (Fëanor & Galadriel).
That’s just the beginning. Including several removed scenes between Aragorn & Galadriel and Aragorn with her husband Celeborn!
7• also the opening explaining Hobbits & their culture to the viewers, so they have a better understanding of these peoples we will be following which also was the direct full chapter called Concerning Hobbits.
I prefer theatrical version tho, extended edition is just too... extended.
Wait until WIZARD Girl hears about Merlin.
Don’t worry. Everybody always mistakes Gandalf for Dumbledore. You see, Tolkien was a huge fan of the Harry Potter movies and based all of his writings off of them. He basically ripped off JK Rowling word for word. I’m surprised she didn’t take legal action against him.
Stop saying like Harry Potter.
THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO RELATION BETWEEN DUMBLEDORE AND GANDOLF!THEY ARE TWO TOTALLY COMPLETELY DIFFERENT CHARACTERS!!!!!
You're not helping your credibility by calling him Gandolf... 😂
Calm down, friend... calm... She's only just started learning REAL Fantasy... She'll learn. Give her some space. ;-)
@@paulfeistok I’ll give her a break lol
GOOS JOB keep going you are doing great-and yes, she drew from Tolkien's work on many things and its plan to see.
Gandolf is not Dumble it's the other way around.
No Harry Potter without Tolkien's work.
Frodo-Harry
Gandalf-Dumble
Sauron -Lord Voldemort
Horcrux ummmm could that be the Ring...??
OH MY...
It's all what YOU like though...Again-Keep going you are doing great.
and be aware of the Music score it is amazing.
:)
You could have just this, could have that, asking questions that are answered a minute later, comparing to Harry Potter