@@NickAnanas More music please, so far Geithain seems to be only known manufacturer that might quench my thirst for audio, they aren't perfect but almost there. What amp did you pair the NS-10 with?
There are so few Sound examples on thoose Geithain Speakers Guess i should visit em , they 50km near me Just from Reading on gearslutz/gearspace about em Had me expecting a way different Sound Charakter then i heard here
Most people rave about the k line of ME Geithain. I would need to buy a Basis 11k to get the cardioid response. For a full frequency response all of those monitors need a sub.
@NickAnanas yea i have Seen that the k Line has the cardiod Response in the Bass frequency. But i also Heard in youre example that the RL Line has a Natural Sound Signature. That is what raised my Attention For that Speakers How was it to Mix on thoose Rl906 ? Was it fun
@@TiferetSolarisGevurah Yes, I love the Geithain, usually they reveal many mistakes fast. I have a hard time for sub with all of them, but for high frequencies I always get the right info from the RL906. For example, some people record and mix with 600 Sennheiser, they are really nice sounding, but the transients are not true; they let somehow unwanted transients sound nice. On the Geithain, you hear it right away. I like the NS10 in the same way; if there are any peaks in the highs or mid-highs it tells you, you don't need to search hahaha. I like the Amphion for the price, but I would not change my Geithain for Amphion. I see the Amphion One15 as a tool just like the Auratone or the NS10. The Geithain monitors give you a real speaker feel while being a tool. In the future I would rather buy bigger Geithain or maybe some new monitors like Kii or Dutch & Dutch to get more bass information.
@@NickAnanas i agree all thoose Speakers are Tools , Amphion in youre example sounded nice too , the Separation of Elements was good but vocals sounded Lil bit artifical. I did Not Had that Impression on the Geithain , the sounded round and Natural still With alot of Detail and Separation. I guess capturing the full Picture of that Point source speaker With Microphone also is a Challenge. Then of course TH-cam Format Changes also the Detail. Still , got a good Impression of thoose Lil Geithain, guess i will Drive there an listen in there Showroom to all Models to fully Understand there Potential as a mixing Tool and listening speaker Thank you for the Upload and the Response Have a good time and stay healthy 👍
@@NickAnanas ah i forgott , yea thoose kii Speakers Looks good , Same For Dutch an Dutch But i want None DSP Speakers and maybe adding trinnov for room correction later Its maybe wrong to think that manufacture would use DSP to hide Sum flaws in there Design But for me i want room correction and speaker Not in one package When Something is Off in one of thoose two components i would have to Send em in and could Not Work Ive i got it Seperate then i can still Work , without waiting
Why does the midrange sound relatively muffled on the Geithain? Is it the mic? Or does it produce more bass than the other 2 that makes its midrange sound muffled with this video
It's a Geithain feature. They somehow extend very low without troubling the other frequencies. It gives the right picture of your bass and mid bass. So the part that sound muffled is the sub. In no way it is muffled, the ns10 is this regard is over projecting and changing the balance. How does the original song sound on your speakers ?
The NS-10s sound so much brighter than the others. Did it sound the same to you in your space? Which speakers would you say had the best translation of the mix?
@@johnnyashtray The ns10 are the less bright of the bunch, the woofer is more efficient than the tweeter. So I believe in this test the NS10 sound a bit louder. All speakers have the feel of my room, yes. The differences are greater in real life, since you can move around. The mix was done with the Geithain, mastered on PMC. Translation is about your earring most of the time. The Amphion seem a great tool, but don't have the real speaker feel, it is way too dry; it turns out very precise for eq and reverb, but hard for the feel. The amp Anaview class D was used for the passives NS10 and Oone15, Geithain own amp class AB
@@NickAnanas How can I use it as an amplifier? It's just an electronic component. It is very surprising that old ns-10m is more transparent and has faster response than Amphion.
You need the wires and cables with it. There is another way if you don't want to diy the amp. Amphion was using the amp in the mono box and the small stereo box. The Amphion AMP100 & amp500 use Anaview AMS0100 & AMS1000 modules respectively. I would say the best way is to diy the module.
@@Keonupark First you can get the manual at www.lautsprecher-shop.de/pdf/anaview/anaview_ams0100_2300.pdf Then you need 5 connectors that were sold with the amp, 2 are from the amp to the speaker (JST VHR-2N), 2 from the DAC to the amp (JST 17CZ-6H) and 1 was for the AC (JST VHR-3N). Adding to this you need 2 XLR female chassis type like Neutrik NC3FD-L-B-1 and 2 pair of speaker terminals. You can salvage an old amp that is not good to put the amp and make holes for the connectors on it. So you can use the original ON-OFF switch, AC connector etc...
@@davidhewitt6360 I have a pair, and a love hate relationship with them. I always wish for more bottom like on my bigger monitors, but the clarity and precision of the transients with the the snappy, dry paper cone is so sweet I can't bear thinking of parting with them. You can hear this in the video if you focus on the muted rhythm guitar. If you get a pair of NS10Ms, enjoy! (Powering mine with a Bryston 3B)
@@nambams You can always add a sub to NS10. I never tried but would love to someday. Apparently (Internet info) master JJPuig used the official NS10 sub with his NS10
This sounds great at loud volumes, you can clearly hear the coloration, bloated bass and muffled mids and low higs. Tho i dont know the response of the mic used
The mics are not flat they are oktava pencil mic modified to replicate km84. This video is more about the different feel between the speakers then the actual sound. So you get an idea of how each pair sound in the same room with same mic. Maybe I should have done it in mono with one speaker.
Those mikes stock hype the high end, but that would be consistent across all monitors, the Y, you hear the irritating high end, mid push and lower bass, the G, treble sounds natural, bass sounds pushed and over done, the A sound most natural and balance . Seems to me if you can get you mix happening on the A, they might be best?
Thank you. I mixed it on Geithain and Beyer DT48, then the song was mastered on PMC. Each of these monitors is a world on its own. The NS10 has the most fun factor but again feels so cheap in the highs. It was the first time for me to hear the Ampion and I can say they don't diffuse much it's like a beam of directivity useful as a tool. Geithain is so well balanced and you have a useful zoom in the mids, just want a sub! I need to do a proper review of the monitors.
@@NickAnanas that's a great deal of different monitors in the process. thank you for sharing. I find the proper sub integration quite tedious, but again my only goal is to enjoy listening to music and not creating it... a review would be great rl906 aren't getting much attention, I guess given the cost
Geithain are not getting noticed much because they don't have a North American distributor. I never enjoy music as mush as with 12", 15" or 18" speakers system. Check Altec VoTT, Yamaha, JBL big horn system the vintage ones or maybe the new system like Yamaha DHR15 ( I have not heard it but seems more fun than small monitors).
@@NickAnanas if I had the space... I also quite don't like any resonances, not sure if jbl305 are considered fun, but took me quite a few years to recognise the fatigue caused by the tweeter then there is also the cabinet ringing. Maybe I'm inclined towards clean and boring.
@@miroslavbazitov183 I don't know all monitors, best is to listen to them, there are a lot of options. Before buying the Geithain I was attracted to the Ampion hype, but I'm not quite inclined to this undiffused sound, it sounds like a tool to me and a precise tool. You can buy direct from Geithain, this is how I did. Yes it is expensive but less then ATC and PMC. On this video test the highs sound good on all speakers, because I made sure it sounded good :p! Never put hype in the highs!
@@NickAnanas that geithainspeakers are very small, great for near field listening, but would you recommend these speakers for a listening distance of 2,5 meters or more?
On the ME Geithain website www.me-geithain.de/en/aktiv-lautsprecher.html you can look at the hearing distange spécifications. So for 906 the recommended distance is between 1 to 2.6 meters to be withit spec
@@jamesglewmusic I have yet seen something that does not resonate. I have not tested enough, but what I have read is that cinder block let bass vibration go through, so they won't feedback those frequencies. By mixing materials (wood,rocks,others) you obtain a better frequency spectrum. For example the speakers are on a stand that resonates way more than the cinder blocks but nobody care.
@@NickAnanas if they manage to fix that chemicality.. on the highs it will be one of the best speakers ever made but i think its not easy i guess is the titanium sound(?}
Maybe his track sounds chemical and with the amphions you are hearing it. It can be confusing demoing monitors because good ones will make the recordings sound worse. So at first, there is a feeling the monitor is bad. A sweet sounding monitor is usually masking transparency and giving a false sense of the recording. Critical to select a monitor which makes most tracks sound worse and worse, and a few good ones sounding better and better, then youre on the right track. There is no such thing as a monitor which makes everything "level up", there is only progress toward transparency.
Thanks for this video, and for your comments regarding how you perceive the speakers differently. And cool track! Following you on Spotify now...
Thank you nambams!
What is the name of that track?
I also use me Geithain for listening to music.
@@NickAnanas More music please, so far Geithain seems to be only known manufacturer that might quench my thirst for audio, they aren't perfect but almost there. What amp did you pair the NS-10 with?
@@andrer4221 videclip th-cam.com/video/2Y7KkATM7L4/w-d-xo.html you can have better quality over bandcamp
@@lightingwalk
Anaview AMS0100-2300 with NS-10 and One15 best amp I've heard so far.
Love the comparison, totally useful with the room sound and the youtube conversion...
ns10 all the way .
In the context of revealing what’s bad about sound in order to make productions translate? Also for people with hearing loss? Sure
There are so few Sound examples on thoose Geithain Speakers
Guess i should visit em , they 50km near me
Just from Reading on gearslutz/gearspace about em Had me expecting a way different Sound Charakter then i heard here
Most people rave about the k line of ME Geithain. I would need to buy a Basis 11k to get the cardioid response. For a full frequency response all of those monitors need a sub.
@NickAnanas yea i have Seen that the k Line has the cardiod Response in the Bass frequency. But i also Heard in youre example that the RL Line has a Natural Sound Signature. That is what raised my Attention For that Speakers
How was it to Mix on thoose Rl906 ?
Was it fun
@@TiferetSolarisGevurah Yes, I love the Geithain, usually they reveal many mistakes fast. I have a hard time for sub with all of them, but for high frequencies I always get the right info from the RL906. For example, some people record and mix with 600 Sennheiser, they are really nice sounding, but the transients are not true; they let somehow unwanted transients sound nice. On the Geithain, you hear it right away. I like the NS10 in the same way; if there are any peaks in the highs or mid-highs it tells you, you don't need to search hahaha. I like the Amphion for the price, but I would not change my Geithain for Amphion. I see the Amphion One15 as a tool just like the Auratone or the NS10. The Geithain monitors give you a real speaker feel while being a tool. In the future I would rather buy bigger Geithain or maybe some new monitors like Kii or Dutch & Dutch to get more bass information.
@@NickAnanas i agree all thoose Speakers are Tools , Amphion in youre example sounded nice too , the Separation of Elements was good but vocals sounded Lil bit artifical.
I did Not Had that Impression on the Geithain , the sounded round and Natural still With alot of Detail and Separation. I guess capturing the full Picture of that Point source speaker With Microphone also is a Challenge. Then of course TH-cam Format Changes also the Detail.
Still , got a good Impression of thoose Lil Geithain, guess i will Drive there an listen in there Showroom to all Models to fully Understand there Potential as a mixing Tool and listening speaker
Thank you for the Upload and the Response
Have a good time and stay healthy 👍
@@NickAnanas ah i forgott , yea thoose kii Speakers Looks good , Same For Dutch an Dutch
But i want None DSP Speakers and maybe adding trinnov for room correction later
Its maybe wrong to think that manufacture would use DSP to hide Sum flaws in there Design But for me i want room correction and speaker Not in one package
When Something is Off in one of thoose two components i would have to Send em in and could Not Work
Ive i got it Seperate then i can still Work , without waiting
Why does the midrange sound relatively muffled on the Geithain? Is it the mic? Or does it produce more bass than the other 2 that makes its midrange sound muffled with this video
It's a Geithain feature. They somehow extend very low without troubling the other frequencies. It gives the right picture of your bass and mid bass. So the part that sound muffled is the sub. In no way it is muffled, the ns10 is this regard is over projecting and changing the balance. How does the original song sound on your speakers ?
The NS-10s sound so much brighter than the others. Did it sound the same to you in your space? Which speakers would you say had the best translation of the mix?
Also, was the same amp used on all the speakers?
@@johnnyashtray The ns10 are the less bright of the bunch, the woofer is more efficient than the tweeter. So I believe in this test the NS10 sound a bit louder. All speakers have the feel of my room, yes. The differences are greater in real life, since you can move around. The mix was done with the Geithain, mastered on PMC. Translation is about your earring most of the time. The Amphion seem a great tool, but don't have the real speaker feel, it is way too dry; it turns out very precise for eq and reverb, but hard for the feel. The amp Anaview class D was used for the passives NS10 and Oone15, Geithain own amp class AB
@@NickAnanas Very interesting. Great video and thanks for the reply!
@@johnnyashtray Thank you!
the NS10's are the only ones where the mics are pointed directly at the tweeters.
what amp used with ns-10m??
Anaview AMS0100-2300 with NS-10 and One15 best amp so far.
@@NickAnanas How can I use it as an amplifier? It's just an electronic component. It is very surprising that old ns-10m is more transparent and has faster response than Amphion.
You need the wires and cables with it. There is another way if you don't want to diy the amp. Amphion was using the amp in the mono box and the small stereo box. The Amphion AMP100 & amp500 use Anaview AMS0100 & AMS1000 modules respectively. I would say the best way is to diy the module.
@@NickAnanas Can you recommend wires and cables? I want to try diy. Is there anything else I need besides them?
@@Keonupark First you can get the manual at www.lautsprecher-shop.de/pdf/anaview/anaview_ams0100_2300.pdf Then you need 5 connectors that were sold with the amp, 2 are from the amp to the speaker (JST VHR-2N), 2 from the DAC to the amp (JST 17CZ-6H) and 1 was for the AC (JST VHR-3N). Adding to this you need 2 XLR female chassis type like Neutrik NC3FD-L-B-1 and 2 pair of speaker terminals. You can salvage an old amp that is not good to put the amp and make holes for the connectors on it. So you can use the original ON-OFF switch, AC connector etc...
Are these up for sale (NS10)?
You can find them on second hand markets
@@NickAnanas thanks for your reply
@@davidhewitt6360 I have a pair, and a love hate relationship with them. I always wish for more bottom like on my bigger monitors, but the clarity and precision of the transients with the the snappy, dry paper cone is so sweet I can't bear thinking of parting with them. You can hear this in the video if you focus on the muted rhythm guitar. If you get a pair of NS10Ms, enjoy! (Powering mine with a Bryston 3B)
@@nambams You can always add a sub to NS10. I never tried but would love to someday. Apparently (Internet info) master JJPuig used the official NS10 sub with his NS10
This sounds great at loud volumes, you can clearly hear the coloration, bloated bass and muffled mids and low higs.
Tho i dont know the response of the mic used
The mics are not flat they are oktava pencil mic modified to replicate km84. This video is more about the different feel between the speakers then the actual sound. So you get an idea of how each pair sound in the same room with same mic. Maybe I should have done it in mono with one speaker.
Those mikes stock hype the high end, but that would be consistent across all monitors, the Y, you hear the irritating high end, mid push and lower bass, the G, treble sounds natural, bass sounds pushed and over done, the A sound most natural and balance . Seems to me if you can get you mix happening on the A, they might be best?
I like the song. Given it is yours (if I’m not mistaken) which monitor you have mixed it on. And which one you like to listen it on :)
Thank you. I mixed it on Geithain and Beyer DT48, then the song was mastered on PMC. Each of these monitors is a world on its own. The NS10 has the most fun factor but again feels so cheap in the highs. It was the first time for me to hear the Ampion and I can say they don't diffuse much it's like a beam of directivity useful as a tool. Geithain is so well balanced and you have a useful zoom in the mids, just want a sub! I need to do a proper review of the monitors.
@@NickAnanas that's a great deal of different monitors in the process. thank you for sharing. I find the proper sub integration quite tedious, but again my only goal is to enjoy listening to music and not creating it... a review would be great rl906 aren't getting much attention, I guess given the cost
Geithain are not getting noticed much because they don't have a North American distributor. I never enjoy music as mush as with 12", 15" or 18" speakers system. Check Altec VoTT, Yamaha, JBL big horn system the vintage ones or maybe the new system like Yamaha DHR15 ( I have not heard it but seems more fun than small monitors).
@@NickAnanas if I had the space... I also quite don't like any resonances, not sure if jbl305 are considered fun, but took me quite a few years to recognise the fatigue caused by the tweeter then there is also the cabinet ringing. Maybe I'm inclined towards clean and boring.
@@miroslavbazitov183 I don't know all monitors, best is to listen to them, there are a lot of options. Before buying the Geithain I was attracted to the Ampion hype, but I'm not quite inclined to this undiffused sound, it sounds like a tool to me and a precise tool. You can buy direct from Geithain, this is how I did. Yes it is expensive but less then ATC and PMC. On this video test the highs sound good on all speakers, because I made sure it sounded good :p! Never put hype in the highs!
Geithains are dark , Yamaha is extremely bright and Amphion is in the middle with exaggerated mids , low end is best on 906
Oh Man Ns10 More Clear Sound to me.
Thanks. May I ask your preference ?
If you are a beginner, I would say Amphion, it sounds so dry it has nothing to do with speakers. It is really a tool. I rather use my Geithain.
@@NickAnanas that geithainspeakers are very small, great for near field listening, but would you recommend these speakers for a listening distance of 2,5 meters or more?
On the ME Geithain website www.me-geithain.de/en/aktiv-lautsprecher.html you can look at the hearing distange spécifications. So for 906 the recommended distance is between 1 to 2.6 meters to be withit spec
I like that piece of music!@NickAnanas
What is your opinion so you like these speakers more on a closer distance?
@@andrer4221 I never tried too far, so I like 1.6 m
Those cinder blocks are the worst thing you could put under speakers
There are mix results about them. Why do you say it the worst?
@@NickAnanas they resonate.
@@jamesglewmusic I have yet seen something that does not resonate. I have not tested enough, but what I have read is that cinder block let bass vibration go through, so they won't feedback those frequencies. By mixing materials (wood,rocks,others) you obtain a better frequency spectrum. For example the speakers are on a stand that resonates way more than the cinder blocks but nobody care.
unfair comparison... you would have to take the larger Geithain RL 904 instead of the Geithain RL 906
Amphion have the best sound separation but they sound a little "chemical" to me
I have to agree, I would use the word tool
@@NickAnanas if they manage to fix that chemicality.. on the highs it will be one of the best speakers ever made but i think its not easy i guess is the titanium sound(?}
Maybe his track sounds chemical and with the amphions you are hearing it. It can be confusing demoing monitors because good ones will make the recordings sound worse. So at first, there is a feeling the monitor is bad. A sweet sounding monitor is usually masking transparency and giving a false sense of the recording. Critical to select a monitor which makes most tracks sound worse and worse, and a few good ones sounding better and better, then youre on the right track. There is no such thing as a monitor which makes everything "level up", there is only progress toward transparency.
gethain best
maybe next time use MUSIC and not farts!
I will keep it in the suggestion box.
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