The Warriors Have One BIG Problem
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The Warriors are having a horrible start to the season. People are pointing to some young players like James Wiseman holding them back. This is a look at the big mistake they are making and how to fix it.
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I honestly thought people would hate the trade for the Warriors, not the Spurs!! Shows how low Wiseman’s value actually is right now 😮
pop can coach until 100 yr old and in no rush to compete why would Spurs give away picks
Yeah. As a Warriors fan I don't see why the spurs would do this trade unless they can't find other suitors. Seems pretty lopsided for such a strong starter in Poeltl.
The spurs should do a trade like this because they want that 7 foot kid in the draft. Having Wiseman instead of Poeltl at center would almost guarantee them the first pick. Besides they're going nowhere with Poeltl right now and he's really good. If Wiseman pans out they have a new twin towers. The Warriors need to move off Wiseman now. They can't wait for him to get it. It looks like it will be at least 2 or 3 years before he does and that's normal for big men. The Warriors didn't think that pick through very well. The Dubs should've drafted LaMelo and traded for or signed a young, experienced big man in free agency. They also should've drafted Franz at 7 instead of Kuminga and Koloko in the 2nd round. Arrogance and not basketball savvy is starting to show in the Warriors organization. Anyway, if the Warriors get their heads out of their collective asses, this could be a win, win for both teams. Poeltl, McDermott, 2 or 1 first rounders for Wiseman and Divincenzo. Warriors dominant now and possibly later and the Spurs rise again within the next 2 seasons. Win, Win!
I was gonna say. Two firsts for Wiseman? Right now? That's asking a lot.
@@cantfailent good thing you’re not the Warriors GM. Don’t think Myers has anything to worry about. Thanks though for you insight that no one cares about. Thanks.
I honestly still believe getting rid of Gary Payton II was a stupid move. He's a damn good player and he was a really key component of that championship team last year. I hate that he's gone.
Yeah he fit really well on Golden State and boosted there defense really well, kinda like a different guard version of Draymond for them.
Facts... its not even like he signed a big ass contract either.
Almost 2x Divincenzo. Payton and Otto earned contracts 2x richer than Divincenzo and Jamychal Green - a much bigger deal given GS' luxury tax. I think JTA and Damion Lee were probably easier to keep.
They offered him a contract but couldn't afford his asking salary.
Yeah but he’s still not playing now, he’s injured. I don’t think it would make any difference. Otto too.
there is no way spurs giving away picks for wiseman
i think steve kerr can convince popovich
I was saying the same thing, Peoltl aint no scrub and why would they give away picks for unproven Wiseman?
@@09lowkey Cuz he’s young they’ll develop him for the future
If Wiseman plays under Pop he would turn him into a David Robinson they love bigs
@@sadiusx774 doesn't mean they need to give upa pick for him
To people thinking its low value - just remember Bagley was also a 2nd overall pick. And Okafor was 3rd. Those guys got traded literally for peanuts (no offense to DiVincenzo and Trevor Booker) in their rookie scale contracts after being disappointing. Wiseman is only on rookie scale for one more year after this, already had a season lost to injury and frankly simply has only looked good in moments. And his value still can surely get lower if he keeps playing like this. And Casey is straight on the money here - what happens after next year in his RFA? What if some team with cap space max or close to max Wiseman, even gives him 20 mil per year? Dubs can't really spend much on him as is. And losing your 2nd overall pick for literally nothing would sting.
Nah if they lose him for nothing it's just a learning experience they picked wrong and that's okay
I don't think they losing sleep over a bad investment
What sane person would think that trade would be low value for the Dubs? Seriously wtf is going on in people's heads?
You need to learn to listen...Bob Myers stated he's hoping Green opts in 2023. Which is smart giving the young guys a whole years experience
Actually almost 2 years. TIRE OF THESE DUMB ASS TRADE IDEALS. LET THE EXPERT DECIDE....
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The bust rule starts to go into effect after 3 whole years. My 40 years experience.. Kevin Knox to me a bust. Bagley now that he's on lottery team with no urgency to win...
Wiseman not only doesnt have basketball intelligence he gets pushed around by point guards... and kerr is constantly yelling at him to stop jogging and run... he doesnt have a motor either send him Wiseman to the G league to develop or trade him he could get smarter with experience but history shows players that dont have a motor or drive dont magically change....
the warriors are ruining James he's always been a iso center back to the basket since highschool now he's only forced to screen and rebound trade him asap no center can develop with only 15 mins a game they already forced him to stop shooting the 3 send him to the bulls where he can. actually play through mistakes
what? do you watch the games? wiseman is always sprinting hard. he lacks exp/ and know how of an nba center, which comes with time but dude does not lack "motor". stop throwing that shit around.
Didn’t they win the chip without him? No big deal.
@@xposebandwagons7777 rebound and screen if that's his role he needs to focus on that
@@EagleLegend502 he's a gamer I don't think he has low IQ he keeps trying to do everything and it shows. You can see it's too fast for him
Only halfway through the video but can we appreciate the approach Wiseman took in terms of his mental health when we compare it to another certain player who went number one overall in 2016 in the draft cough cough.
Wait a second, did you say Poetl and 2 picks for Wiseman. Bro, Warriors needs to send 2 picks for Poetl for that trade.
Exactly. Pop can coach until he is 100 yr old so we are in no rush to compete lol
I was thinking that why would San Antonio do that when there trying to get more picks. They could do way better for Jakob, he's a nice big who could fit really well on a lot of championship contenders.
@@vinniechan i gotta feeling pop retiring in the next 5-7 years
@@Equilyzr in 5-7 yr time Curry will be 40 lol
Wiseman is not worth the trade.
As a Warriors fan I’d do that trade in a heartbeat, if we get Poeltl who’s a great rebounder and plays good defense it would fill holes and issues within our bench, oh and Poeltl knows how to set screens too. Im hoping Wiseman can progress to being great at rebounding, playing defense and setting screens but right now it’s just not working.
POELTL ON EXPIRING CONRACT. GSW NOT PAYING OUT ANOTHER HUGE CONTRACT.
@@ronaldrenearmstrong9872 Doesn't matter. Poeltl would help them win again. Wiseman wont. Anyone would give up Wiseman for a better chance to win a title (and two picks lol, yeah right)
Yea we know real question is why tf would the spurs do it
@@matthewwinter3927 well, the Slow Ass Spurs would get younger, just a bit more athletic & buy them another year until Wisebust becomes a RFA.
Of course you would, that trade would never be on the table for wiseman lmao. If it were the warriors would have done it ten times. And the spurs sure as hell aren’t wasting picks plus one of the better defensive centers worth a first round pick himself, On trashman wiseman
Coming from a Spurs fan, I say take a hike on that trade.
If Dubs want Jakob they should be the one sending us picks
True. As of right now, Jakob has higher value than James
Idk bro, 2 picks is a lot and Jakob is a beast, but if Wiseman goes to the g league and looks good then i would probably as well
Lol right, im a Warriors fan and when I saw that trade package I would be like “hell yea, let’s do it” but in reality we’d be the ones having to give up picks because no way the Spurs just get wiseman and lose Poeltl who’s clearly better
Exactly
As a Warriors fan whose always believed in all of our young players apart from wiseman, my dream trade this year was Wiseman for Jakob and a second round pick. I couldn’t agree with you more
Ia Wiseman really worth a Vet AND 2 draft picks?? Damn, inflation affects pro sports too, huh? 🤣
ikr 😅
Yeah agree, they'd already knew he's a bust and asking for additional 2 first round picks. What do Casey thinks the Spurs FO's crazy and dumb. Just to gain views for Warriors bandwagon fans.
Great take. I like the concrete detail. The added depth of perspective on a play call by Steve. Your Analysis is based on data not opinion. Love it!
Great video I appreciate how well you articulate your thoughts
So nobody gonna talk about how strong Wiseman's mother has to be to carry him?👀
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Always love the level headed takes from this channel.
Well, maybe but this 1 misses the mark on common sense.
I don't see how this trade makes sense for the Spurs. Trading Poeltl makes sense but giving up 2 1sts in a deal for a young player with injury history doesn't make sense from a business perspective. If Poeltl is available they can find a better deal than that.
I've heard Warriors have one of the most complicated systems in the league (probably why they have so many championships) but it's really hard for young players. Wiseman will be immense but to get good as a player and learn PhD level basketball at the same time might be too much too soon.
I mean I get what you're saying... but they're literally just asking him to set a good screen and don't foul out in 20 minutes. If a center can't do these basics hes damn sure not going to thrive in the Warriors system.
@@zType2 yeah but my point being is this one of 20 plays and he probably forgot the exact foot work in the middle of a game whilst being on a shit run after having been injured for the majority of his NBA and highschool career... He's probably in a vicious downward spiral. This is as good as his rookie year. But yeah, it's not changing the reality that he's not up to the standard they want. And they need someone more experienced basically.
That's why warriors need to focus on getting high IQ players over physical talents who haven't developed a great BB IQ
We don'[t need young kids we need experienced ballers who can play team defense/offense - The future is now it's win or go home and players like Curry come once in your life time - After he is gone you may not ring for another 20 years............
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I think that the best idea for Wiseman is letting play in the G league, as A.M. suggests, but furthemore to let him develop, and gives him some time. In 2-3 years, if he works hard enough, he'll be a good player.
Kinda like Jordan Poole
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Appreciate it!
The Spurs always trade away high draft picks that want to get overpaid...no clue why you think they want Wiseman here. They just dumped Dejonte. You covered the Spurs right? You know all this?
To be fair I'd do that trade if we receive picks instead of giving them.away
We dont need to two first round just one first round or even a.second round picks will do
Wiseman age lines up with the rest of the team nicely and if we give him time to develop and make mistakes it just helps us tank
@@vinniechan lol
Moses Moody is the only young guy that can be a championship role player right now. Kuminga and wisemen are too raw
He be getting did out there. They should ship him also
I'd 100% go after Jonathan Isaac if I'm the Warriors. That guy is the absolute perfect fit, looks like he's retained his athleticism from the workout vids posted, and may find himself having a hard time squeezing into Orlando's lineups considering they're already massive at every position. A Wiseman + Orlando's choice of Moody/Kuminga + maybe some picks for Isaac would be great for both teams IMO.
They’re not gonna let MAGA Isaac anywhere near the Bay Area lol
Instead of isaac who is injury prone i'd rather have carter
Love the vid
Opj was our offensive spark plug he would come in when we were cold and hit back to back threes. Gp2 was the defensive spark plug. We’re missing a lot in losing those two specifically
Yeah for real when Otto shoot it's going in
As a warriors fan, I would take that trade rn, (even w/o the picks)
Normally I like your analyses, but factoring in the warriors team culture, they will suffer through the rough start and will give their young players time to develop. The problem is all the outside chatter. The success of the warriors made everybody impatient. I hope the team can stay calm and wiseman and kaminga stay cool.
Preach man, these casuals that want a blockbuster trade are insufferable...
That’s called resilience 👍🏾
Didnt work out well :(
The new sweatshirt is lookin GOOD!
thank you for this breakdown dude🔥even if it is rocky rn #DUBNATION
If Wiseman can get Poeltl and 1sts that would be a heist. Even just Jakob Poeltl alone for Wiseman would be a steal for the Warriors. He's so much better than Wiseman. He could start for Golden State.
You are so right ✅ 👏
When you're playing for the Warriors all you need to do is set a good screen and roll and on the other end just play smart defense. He's got guard skills and it seems he's more focused on being a guard than a center. You have Stephen Curry on your team. If you can't do well on the Warriors it's hard for me to say he's going to do better anywhere else.
The Luxury Tax is going to break up the Warriors soon.
I don't think it's just about the age. If, for example, they drafted Franz Wagner (evaluated to be primarily a defense guy at the time of the draft and has shown to have advanced well as a scorer/playmaker with size) instead of Kuminga (someone who I think has more raw potential/higher ceiling), they'd be in better shape. It's not the age but more about the rawness of Wiseman and Kuminga.
I can't blame them for the Wiseman pick. His potential is a bit much to pass up on. Even if someone like Okongwu would play better in the same role today, that's a tough decision to make. Maybe if you were concerned enough about Wiseman's lack of post-HS play/tape and didn't want to add Lamelo Ball to an already crowded (when healthy) backcourt, maybe you could've opted to trade down. But if you were picking at #2, you are probably picking Ball or Wiseman.
Zach LaVine, Tony Bradley, and 1st rd pick via Portland to Warriors/ Jordan Poole, James Wiseman, Patrick Baldwin, and 3 1st rd picks Bulls.
As a Warriors fan I think the trade is actually very beneficial for us, but for the Spurs they'd need really good luck. After Wiseman's rookie season, I wanted to wait till he was healthy to see how he was playing, and then decide whether to trade. As of now, it seems very likely he'll be gone by next season.
Honestly its been very disappointing to see the dubs start, but at least we've been in striking distance in every game we've lost, even after playing SO bad for long stretches. I am confident that the coaching staff will figure out a way to better utilize the roster. They always do.
the games are close. which tells me the coaching is fine. its on the players to just hit the shots better.
Thank you! Someone is actually watching games instead of panicking and crying over players we haven't kept. Were where these casuals when we were struggling last year, I wonder...
@@johnmarkson1998 is alla bout coaching my guy. Warriors hitting shots is not what is killing us in these close games. Its defense and lineups, and that is 90%+ coaching
@@yanncourtel8538 yessir! starters are killing everybody. If we find a couple more guys to contribute off the bench consistently and we start to play some D well be in great shape.
If you think about it, Wiseman spent most of his 'downtime' honing his personal basketball skills. Haven't ran that much plays with GSW since he was injured and certainly going to the GLeague running a different playbook doesn't help practice the rotations. Give him some time to get used to it and understand Curry's needs. Overreacting on Wiseman, Klay, Draymond, Poole and whoever else isn't going to help GSW get better.
Thats why golden state should think about signing dwight howard. One of the greatest bigman, he can be a very good teacher to wiseman, can do plays for curry poole or klay since hes good at screening, and can defend the rim very well.
He just signed for a team in China.
@@mohamedabdourahman9845 no way
I agree with you 💯 percent
I'm not going to defend Wiseman because you can't at this point and I was never that high on him to begin with. I wish the kid luck but he just is on the wrong team at the wrong time. When Steph is still this godly in his powers you have to do everything you can to build the best team around him you can. For me that has never meant a flashy trade for a big name, it's about complimentary pieces.
The bench sucks but the Starters haven't covered themselves in glory. No one on the team has really been defending well consistently. Plenty of lazy close outs all over the place and it's often a layup line for the other team to the rim which explains all the undisciplined fouling they have been doing.
Umm, that’s raptor’s legend jakub poetle to you sir!
All of the Warriors young bucks are struggling, Poole can't seem to get it going and Kuminga, Wiseman and Moody are going through growing pains, better now than in May and June
I agree with your assessment as to how bad the bench is playing. There could be a different solution rather than trading away players who could be great later on. I mean why absorb their worst years only to hand them to another team to reap their best years? So here is the solution. The Dubs have a "Death lineup" that could produce insurmountable leads. It features Poole and Curry on the court at the same time, along with Klay and Wiggins. Those guys laid 70 points on the Nuggets in 19 minutes in a playoff game, and ran away from Boston in game six. IOW, the lineup was tested against playoff teams including the best defense in the league.
So they run up the score with really big margins dispiriting the opposition and tiring them out, too. The opposition is too tired to catch up when the second team is playing and their fatgue allows the second team to score enough points to hang on. Meanwhile the second team gets more and more experience.
We will be just fine. We always figure it out.
No we won't. Our bench is not good. The Bucks will win the 2023 NBA Finals.
@@essentialeugene oh ye of little faith.. 😏🤏
@Nev Miscellaneous naw we good we will adjust and be good. We will run it back to back or win next year.. either or..
The warriors need a real back up center and a decent 3 and d player
Howard?
poeltl is a great big most underrated center last year i'd say and top 5 in offensive rebounds
The Warriors NEED to hear this man right now. 😁
Why isn't anyone trading for Miles Turner??? 🤔...he would be perfect for this system...no one's talking about this
Huge contract and injured, but I do agree
@@aksator3814 He’s actually not on that big a contract. He’s being paid 18 million this year.
To give a comparison wiseman on his rookie deal is being paid 9.6 million.
Although the warriors have no real way of matching salary without including looney. Might sound decent for this season to trade both but Turner is in a contract year in which the warriors could not pay him what he’ll want whereas Looney is signed up for 3 years on a very team friendly deal
BIG ASS CONRACT 2023 OVER 20 MILLION. PEOPLE PLEASE READ...
I like the video, but what I don't understand in the video is the picks in the mock trade. It should be the Warriors who send the picks and not the Spurs, because Jakob Poetl has the higher trade value than Wiseman. If the Warriors send the two picks in that trade, then it's a great deal for both teams.
Thats a no for the Spurs. Poeltl is one of the best defensive and pick and roll bigs in the league. Having Green and Poeltl would be crazy defense. Maybe Wiseman for only Poeltl but keep in mind the Warriors need Poeltl more than the Spurs need Wiseman.
If I'm the Spurs, I'm not giving up a starting center and 2 firsts for an unproven player. That's what you give for a really good starter/ fringe level all star
If the spurs do this then Greg pop should quit
100% agree, inexperienced young bench hurting the Dubs this season.
James Wiseman plus a first for Myles Turner. Poetl sounds great too. Wiseman (and Wanamaker and Kelly Oubre Jr.) was the reason the Warriors didn't make the playoffs a couple season's back. Unfortunately the owner loves this Wiseman kid... Kuminga often plays just as clueless at times.
The Wiseman for Jakob trade is quite lopsided, the warriors should at least send one or two 2nd round pick, if they still have some, or an expected very late 1st round pick.
Really good analysis.
Big Men always take a few years to get into a groove in the league. Wiseman since High School, played less than 5 games of College Basketball, got injured his rookie season, missed his entire second season, and is NOW getting play time in a rotation on a consistent basis. Wiseman hasn't played competitive basketball consistently since High School. So him coming along slow was essentially expected.
Who the Warriors expect more from right now, is Poole.
Yup, bench needs to be worked out desperately and sooner than later. You can't let this stuff keep going for the next 10-15 games.
Or rebuild... Green Wiseman for Vucevic Williams Terry! Clear the air and keep growing in the right direction. Vucevic takes the point role from Draymond. Williams has a great defensive potential. Terry is in the mold of Iggy and the perfect building block. Forward minutes are up for grabs between JG Williams Kuminga PBJ.
Vucevic Looney PBJ
JG Williams Kuminga
Wiggins Terry Lamb
Klay Poole Moody
Curry DiVincenzo Rollins
Wiseman seems to play well in an unstructured environment where he can run the floor and be the focal point on offense. The Ws system makes him only one of many options and that makes his motor fail.
I hadn't thought of that trade (don't often see the Spurs anymore). I like it. People in the Bay are DEFINITELY starting to stress given the just wen 0 for the road. The priority here is to win more chips while Steph is still on top of his game. If that means the Warriors move on from Moody, Kuminga and/or Wiseman, so be it. I agree with keeping Draymond at this point, but he's gone after the season. Losing Payton was, by far, the Warriors' biggest offseason loss.
Love the trade
After watching the young guys play the Pelicans (at full strength) without the starters. I think its Kerr's bad rotations. They were neck and neck with Zion, BI, and CJ. Poole couldn't close.
Getting rid of the young players isn't going to do anything for the luxury tax and salary.
biggest fan is first
we need a defender like GPII.....ASAP
They remind me of the 2017-2019 Warriors... Low effort and lackadaisical. They're like that one genius kid in school that slacks the entire semester and is banking on just acing the midterms/finals and getting an A in the end.
i always fantasized of deandre ayton playing alongside steph klay & dray. gp2 being let go was a big mistake. it also hurts mike brown, the catalyst for the dubs defense, is coaching somewhere else. this warriors team is sooooo weird right now
No one is giving up 2 firsts for Wiseman right now
You might have a better chance if you trade Kuminga or Moody
Can't wait to see how this ages 😂
They have to take a little time to try to develop him with game minutes, they've been waiting years for him and they have a little time now to see if he has anything, it's not looking good but let's see real quick, wouldn't it suck to blow up all the young guys and they thrive elsewhere?
As A Knick Fan … I’d Deff Explore Mitchell Robinson & Drose Or Fournier For Wiseman & A Pick (Obviously Needa Add Something To Match Dollars) But I Like The Idea For Both Teams.
As a hardcore Warriors fan, I'm totally fine with and open to the Warriors moving off of Wiseman and Kuminga. Wiseman for Jakob Poetl sounds fine to me. Wiseman is clearly going to be a multi-year project that might not even work, and they don't have that time to waste. Kuminga for Eric Pascal sounds great to me. Some of ya'll might think I'm insane for that Kuminga for Pascal trade, but hear me out. Pascal has been in the system before, so he knows it. He's super athletic, can jump super high, can rebound, can dunk, plays better defense than Kuminga, can shoot the three better and has a good mid range jumper and can shoot free throws, and most importantly, his basketball IQ and experience level is BY FAR superior to Kumingas. Jordan Poole and Moses Moody are young enough, they don't need such an overload of youth.
Trade moody too , he’s not really making a difference in my opinion
You called it bro
We’ll be ok
I don’t like the spurs trade, but for the spurs. The two picks are too much. Just a straight up swap would be better.
Tbh I think wiseman has a chance to be like Poole if he plays in the G league but only if he works really hard
That bench = not enough experience...with those 3 young guys, they are trying to saving money. That luxury tax is a pain in the butt
I'll be happy with Jakob Poetl for Wiseman straight up.
Wiseman's value is that high? Seems like the Warriors would have to sweeten the deal with a pick for Poeltl.
Well seen! You might be a good NBA executive later!
Wiseman was a number 2 by default in the Pandemic year, he hasn't played a full season of competition since high school
Idk if it’s just me but how haven’t you made a video about the bucks because the time I made this comment they have not lose a game yet.
Could you turn of the CAPS LOCK?
ngl i had very high hopes for wiseman i thought he was going to be great this season but maybe its still a little unfair to bash him this early but as of now im making that trade maybe something will change mind
Lemelo would have been a perfect fit in Golden State. Man loves to pass
Send Wiseman down to SCW, and see if Steve Nash is available for player development. I hear he might be available.
Do a video on what Lakers can get for trading AD and Bron...
As a warriors fan that trade package from the spurs is a overpay cause of that 2023 Hornets pick
Coulda had Melo Ball, even if its a bad fit his trade value would be insanely high. I said it was stupid back then and im still saying it they should have 100% drafted Melo
3:13 poetl is right there with him 😭
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Bruh...The Dubs haven't had a threat from the 5 spot since Javale Mcgee. This is literally his 1st yr. 10 games in ur screaming trade?? Knock it off. Let that young man develop. Letting Porter & Payton go was a bad move. Saw it a mile away. Defense & IQ gone out the window.
Poeltl and 2 1sts for Wiseman is a joke lol. Poeltl is an actually good basketball player who is still only 27. Wiseman has proven nothing other than that he looks like the biggest bust in recent draft classes. The Spurs would ask for a 1st back along WITH Wiseman, nevermind sending anything else back.
trade wise for any vet wing that can hit shot and defend
Bro,the Warriors would need to give 2 picks to the Spurs and more for Jakob 🤣 Wiseman is a bust and it's obvious
Honestly I don't see it happening but I would love to see Wiseman go to Grizzlies. Obviously played college there and I think him and JJJ would be a hell of a front court. I think he needs a fresh start and with a young team like grizzlies I think he would fit in.
Give us Steven Adams and you can have Wiseman. 😊
bro am hoops ur pre calls are too good "send wisemen to the g league" proceeds to send wisemen to the g league haha
I remember watching James 1st season when Klay was out.. Wiseman was setting great screens for Steph who was open but wouldn't shoot because Wiseman was open dunk.. Steph and his team doesn't want Wiseman move him.. James is the truth..
Nah. Like you said, wiseman's salary will be SAS's problem. Why trade for a future problem for jakob and picks?
GSW should give picks instead. 😅😂
03:00 Killer instict hahaha