Sanna 77: A Czech SMG Turned South African Carbine
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The Sanna 77 was a semiauto copy of the Czech Sa 25 submachine gun. It was first produced in Rhodesia by the GM Steel company for the Rhodesian military. In this form, it was the GM-15 and GM-16 (available as either civilian semiauto or military full auto), and was made without and licensing agreement. The Rhodesian military wanted more submachine guns, and a captured Czech example looked like a simple and effective weapon that would be easily manufactured.
It appears that when the tooling was made for the GM-15/16, a second set was also produced, and brought into South Africa. In 1978, the Sanna 77 was put on the market as a semiauto only version of the GM-15/16. It differed only in the stock, which was a single polymer part (instead of a the metal stock of the Czech original and the Rhodesian copy). A substantial number were made and sold by 1983, when production ceased. The remain relatively common in South Africa today, although they have a poor reputation for reliability and virtually all of the stocks have broken.
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0:54 Stens, Sterlings and u̠̖̒̅̅̄͋̔ͬz͖̿̐ͦͅḭ̱͎͍͗͗̚s̼̞̤̭̼̪̻ͤ̅́̿ͩͪ̅͒ͅ
we got a glimpse at Gun Devil
@@toaster9922 all hail Gun Devil!
I heard "moizeb"
damn, my headphones are acting up, and I totally thought it was just my headphones again.
Oh, so it wasn't just me
0:54
They had Stens, Sterling and U- *_[Interdimensional deamonic screeching]_*
Is that liken to the REBEL YELL?
according to subtitles they had spoons XD
@@circleofsorrow4583 In a parallel universe he has a full beard, Chaplin moustache and short hair. The presence of a beard/moustache is however one of the great constants across all realities
I FEEL THE WARP OVERTAKING ME, IT IS A GOOD PAIN!
Proof that Ain exist and is the anti-gun jesus, he wants to take away our steel :c
What kind of sights should we use? TRAFFIC CONE
You could probably pop that stock open and play a nice game of mini-golf with it.
Shove a 9mm dowel down the barrel
fore!
Now you got me thinkin
Stens, sterlings, denizens of the 9 hells...
I saw czech SMGs next door to south africa in Mocambique during late 70's and early 80's. I do not know the source, but I assumed that maybe they got them from cuba since they were getting some aid from cuba and the cuba did at one time have the czech guns. I am not mentioning model because I am not sure if the guns I saw were 9x19 or 7.62x25 both of which chamberings were in use by FRELIMO at that time. FRELIMO had a lot 9x19 weapons from Portugal and the eastern combloc nations gave them pistols and SMGs in 7.62x25 (edit).
FRELIMO was close to the one of the guerilla groups operating in the former Rhodesia and perhaps the captured guns came from those provided by Mocambique.
"They had stems, sterling's they had spoons" - TH-cam subtitles 2019 xD
Well, I mean, they probably did...
First thing I thought when I saw the thumbnail for this video was, "Hey, that's the gun from The Gods Must Be Crazy."
Thanks I love that movie so I had to look it up the movie has a SA.25 and kommando-lpd he has done videos on both
@@phille7669 He sure has. It is kind of funny to see retrospectives on such obscure guns.
As always fun to have a video about our native firearms industry. I must confess I watched this video with the main aim of hearing Ian pronounce "Sanna" which is a distinctly Afrikaans word with accompanying pronunciation. Just a note, the word Sanna is no longer colloquially used for guns but was so used by the early Afrikaans speaking settlers or "Boers" to describe any muzzle loading long arm.
Thanks Ian, keep em coming
Seeing this gun is always entertaining, because my mother's first name is Sanna, and it is quite a common women's name.
@@Tunkkis I guess that makes you a son of a gun. I'll see myself out...
@@Rhododendronpunktcry I like the way you think. You can stay, I'll allow it.
South African guns are allways a little strange and very intresting.
And seemingly always at war
@Zach cash I've noticed
Due to international arms embargo's S.A. had to produce most of it's own weapon systems. Most Apartheid era weapons were designed under a philosophy of operating independently in small units in hostile 'bush' environments and were designed to balance affordabillity and durability (with one usually triumphing over the other).
The crab mine flail for the m4 sherman tank was also of South African design.
Rural South Africa mid 80's the driver of the school bus had one of these.
Awesome 😂
I am a history professor at a university and also a collector of military surplus firearms. I have 17 in my collection as of now. My only Czech rifle in my collection is my Vz 58. Probably the best military service rifle in the Warsaw Pact nations.
SA vz. 58 failed soviet tests.
Евгений Макаров, the Vz 58 was a more expensive gun than the AK. It required a lot more precision and quality machining and workmanship to produce. The Soviets are known for going the cheaper route.
@@Ashley-Morton And with all that precision and expensive it's not work in harsh conditions.
Евгений Макаров, yes, the AKM rifles hold up better in harsh conditions than the Vz 58. Other than low cost that is there only advantage. For arming the entire soviet army the AKM style of rifle makes sense. The Vz 58 is a better balanced and more compact rifle. Vz 58 rifles have better accuracy due to having better barrels and being striker fired. The biggest Advantage the Vz 58 has over the AKM is it has a last round Bolt hold open.
@@Ashley-Morton I dont know it seems then soldiers like vz. 58 in Irak, Afghanistan and others :-)
Pretty sure the stock font is straight outta every spaghetti Western ever
So is the font on the side of the stock.
0:52 "they had stens, they had stirlings, they had ฯ¬￦Г¤..."
According the the subtitles , Stens, Sterlings and Spoons.
*stems, even :)
I think there was a glitch in the matrix during this video...
Bob at 0:55?
3:06 That’s actually the KD of the last user who wielded this firearm 💪
I hope people can appreciate how hard you work!!!!! My favourite channel on TH-cam by far! Thank you for all your effort in making this subject matter digitally timeless!!!
"Sanna" is short for Susanna, a typical girl's name in Dutch and Afrikaans. Despite our sense of humour being perceived as derogatory, the Afrikaner named their firearms after women because, like their wives, these faithful albeit temperamental weapons would not let them down in hunting or battle. "Sanna" was usually a muzzle-loaded rifle, and "Grietje" was a wheeled cannon.
@T-Jay well you got the Emma lmg's captured during the winter war.
@T-Jay Bear in mind that "Sanna" and "Grietje" are colloquial nicknames, not manufacturers' names.
Stens, Stirling’s and [REDACTED]
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Great clip, thanx
Also for getting it back into focus, historically!
I'm always entertained seeing this gun, since Sanna is quite a common women's first name here in Finland, and also happens to be my mother's name.
Thank you ,Ian .
Saw an article one one of these in the late 70s/early 80s in a Soldier of Fortune magazine. Pretty cool.
I was in Jo'burg in 1982 and I'm so sorry I didn't pop into a gun shop. There was one just down the street from the hotel I was staying in.
So, this is what they mean when they say "Beware of cheap imitations!"...
0:55 they had what? x'D
UZ҉I҉
check subtitles XD
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I still have one lying around. It is fun.
Czechslovakia -> Rhodesia -> South Africa. Now that's some shenanigans. Hehehe...
OMG that front sight post is epic!!!!!
My grandfathers Company , really amazed to see this video. Thought this gun was forgotten about .
So glad you went to SA.
The rear sight is a cool idea. I wonder how easy it would be to make with some sheet steel and basic tools.
Thanks
Just got my Gun Jesus posters today! They are glorious.
I framed mine.
Normal people: plastic
Gun people: polymer
I love how everything finds its way to South Africa
Weapon wise, that's because South Africa was on the front line in Americas' proxy war on communism.
Who then proceeded to screw us over because of the masturbatory mumblings of college professors about slavery and indigenous genocide after they were discarded by the feminists.
To think, Sanna is a womans' name in the RSA.
Sorry, pet peeve that I just HAD to share.
That front post almost fills the sight hood.
If I'd been the manufacturer I wouldn't have put the sight hood on, leave it off and the sight post doubles as a bayonet lol
I wonder how many of them were modified to shoot full auto.
"They had Stens, they had Sterlings, they had SMGBZSZHZ-..." The heck happened there dude?
“It was assumed that the men would have full power rifles like FALs or G3s”
Men: get 5.56 rifles
Exactly
I guess if you want to start conversation in South Africa, you should ask "what is your favorite 9mm carbine?"
The SpOoN
Interesting history.
“They had Stens, they had Sterlings, they had ßpœônš.”
Reminds me of Tapco folding stocks.
This looks like it came from the same vein as the Assault Rifle from Fallout
Buy a Sanna to carry in my McLaren Senna on my way to the sauna near CERN
I can promise you that those guns have mostly been melted and destroyed since civilians have been disarmed post 1994
9mm byl samopal vz. 25 ( 9x19 parabelum). Zásobníky byly dva na 20 a na 40 nábojů
So, making the model designation a common byword for gun is like naming this thing the Gat-77 in the States
Not exactly it's like how the British soldiers called their muzzle loaders brown bess, and then a company making a gun in the 80s calling the model the brown bess.... Not sure what the American equivalent would be, but think Bess England, Sheila Australia, Sanna South Africa
With the progressive trigger of the SA series this would have been super easy to convert to an open bolt semi auto like they did. The stock is silly as they needed to revise the mounting mechanism in order to effectively make one in plastic or modified the stock to make the "swivel" piece out of metal instead. Sad they bungled the mag too/I don't remember the SA26 mags I have holding anywhere near 40 rounds. Would be intrigued on the OAL of these although they do seem longer with what I can see.
SA 24-26 chambered for 7.62 and mag holds only 32 rounds. SA 23/25 chambered for 9mm and it had two types of mags - 24 and 40 rounds.
I like the new purple hue, lol.
SA in 1970's -80's is reminiscent of Americas old west, historically speaking in that it could be a Violent life .
Aaaand now we are back to the lawlessness of the wild west
@@guntervanstraaten4562 I wonder how much of that concept is Hollywood and dime novel skewed?
SA is now much more violent than back in the 70's and 80's.
@@Curtislow2 Most of it. The big eastern cities during the post-Civil War era were consistently more violent than most of the western frontier. Which was largely boring, hard, physical farming work. Unless you read Penny Dreadfuls and Dime Novels.
So, if it's semi-auto open bolt, they only changed the trigger mechanism to disable progressive pull?
Ahh, it's the mysterious Rhodesian collection again.
"Oi Sanna Sanna pillua jo anna!" Ja hyvin mahollista että '77!
What's going on with that handgun over his left shoulder? Almost looks like a mini noise reduction device of some sort?
Anyone know?
@@zoiders Thatd be unique
Proudly South AfricanCape Town
goddamnit why did you get possessed by the gun devil at 0:54
Could I have Stens, Stirlings, and Udmechs?
South Africa tried to czech-itself .... 🤔
So you can call it a pistol if you wanted to
It looks more like a grease gun than the Grease Gun, and more so than most actual grease guns.
Se desempeñó en Sierra Maestra, de la mano de los rebeldes.
Nice, so my last name is a gun colloquial petname
GIORGIO sanna
Sanna is womans name in Finland
@@juhomaki-petaja lol, that's weird for me XD
When jatimatic finnish smg?
That hooded front sight looks terrible.
All of a sudden I want to hit the links
It looks a lot like a PM63
Hmmm the lighting seems off in this video. Don't get me wrong its not terrible Ian just a little dark. Still happy with the video however
Love my daily does of gun info!
New to the South Africa gun dungeon location videos I see. You must not watch FW regularly.
Do you have the blueprints?
Its look like the polish pm63
" Women would have 9 mm carbines, men full power battle rifles and children just VZ Skorpions .
Interestin how they had such a fascination with these sort of things
They had stens
They had sterlings
They had HwaGAJoGooP
0:56
Farmers could certainly use something like this now
I think they have better options today.
Dude, they're raising Lions as guard dogs because the state is disarming the people.
@@keanur6541
The level of interference (bureaucrazy ) is basically forcing the people to disarm or become criminals.
There's more than one way to skin a cat.
They only have yet to add a gunpowder license like Japan to make things even harder.
At least you guys can still get air rifles of various calibers.
In Namibia, the Daisy is the best we can do.
NahB, that’s the combine smg
...yeah about that shroud over the front post... what the hell is it even doing? How the hell would you damage that post? It's less post and more big ass gear tooth welded on there.
I found _this_ video on the channel, th-cam.com/video/M2OEoGHtc0o/w-d-xo.html ...which is the range video for the Czech gun, but can someone help find the full vid of the Czech SA? ??
(Maybe it's been removed from search discovery? Demonitized? Demonized? No entiendo nada...)
I came here just for the dissasembly...
Make a vidio how to make it
My dad had one of these Sannas for many years but traded it for a revolver a couple of years ago. Yes the stock was broken. Broken in half, between the but plate and hinge. Yes it was prune to jamming and firing doubles ocationaly. Unreliable and quite dangerous at the same time.
The sanna and the kommando are clearly insipired by the sa 25
Are these videos made at your house?
Why is there a commercial clip at the start of the video in the app? I thought you where demonetized?
Forgotten Weapons isn't demonetized formally. InRange stopped monetizing their vids a ways back.
@@SlavicCelery I thought they said that both channels where demonetized.
I am just curious if Forgotten Weapons is still monetized or if TH-cam has gotten to the point where they are greedy enough to put adverts on any video.
...Stens, Sterlings.. and what?
Owens maybe?
@Btroisi13 yeah but that wouldn't be very British :P
Fully or semi automatic weapons can be divided into 4 types. 1 Manual operated 2 recoil operated 3 gas operated 4 foreign energy operated (electricity )
Long pistol
will a pre-ordered Chassepot to Famas still be a first edition at this point?
How did they manage to copy a reliable gun and the copy is unreliable??? Someone please answer...
lower tolerans, cheaper materials and less skillsfull workers.
@@exploatores thank you Skwisgaar
Praise be to the gun Jesus as we join him this mourning in another holy ceremony of full auto knowledge!!
John Lattanzio why so sad? What happened?
Hi mate , first comment from isle of Lewis, Scotland
Love the videos bud
Will have to get you a proper stornoway black pudding in the post at some point, best in the world ;)
brya1a catch him a live man eating haggis
hmm
comrade its our gun , karl marx would not approve of requiring licencing for a firearm
It's Czech, not Soviet...
Ghost963 Czechoslovakia was a part of the Warsaw Pact at that time
So?
Ghost963 they had a Soviet style ‘communist’ regime that was installed by the Soviet Union. When they tried to go for a more moderate socialist regime, the soviets intervened to prevent that and put a more loyal centralized authoritarian regime in place.
@@ghost963cz You're the one who brought up Soviets when original comment has nothing that implies they think it's a Soviet gun, unless you think 'comrade' is uniquely Soviet thing.
I'll go out on a limb; if this, obviously low cost handgun, was made in the USA, dealers would be able to sell box cars full.
Considering Jimenez and HiPoint still exist, you can make just about any vaguely gun-shaped and semifunctional firearm and sell boxcars of them in the US
Rhodieboo have entered the chat
So south African women carried them, they must be sum tough chicks over there
burger1690 I used to go out with an SA girl. Can confirm.
can you do a video about the MPT-76
Looks like a blaster the damn droids used!