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- Hoshimachi Suisei talks why she turned Superchats off...
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A hoshiyomi may have no physical form, but our empty wallets are real
Our physical form are the wallets
Our physical representation, Kazama Iroha, feels our pain.
All I hear are excuses! Now quit your yappin' and drop the Blue and Red suppas!
@@vicbladeso 90% empty?
We have Kazama Iroha and Calliope Mori, we Hoshiyomis are a spoiled specie
If she turns Superchats back on, it's because she blew all her cash on gacha.
🤣🤣🤣
This
Spoken like [she's] a true whale.🐋
Would love to have whales in my guild 😉
I rlly can't understand how you guys can be fine with gambling.
"I don't read them anyway" so honest
I still miss them because it connected me a lurker with you all
And so based tooo
and defeats the purpose of even having them..aside from money...also kinda rude honestly
True, as a hoshiyomi myself, I felt sad when she said it 😔
I do think she has a good reasoning for dissuading people from superchatting, and certainly she isn't supposed to be expected to read all supers because that's unreasonable, but still 😢
@@myplaylist5825 Could mean "I don't read it out loud anyway" like other member with SC reading stream. We don't know and sometime it better that way.
Saw the thumbnail and instantly thought the real reason she turned supas off was to let our wallets recover in the hospital after march
i thought its bc of harassment, like that one red superchat from nerissa's begging her to not collab with males and im like ????
@@arlynnecumberbatch1056What she said was probably her real reason, but this reason would be a lot funnier.
@@arlynnecumberbatch1056 Sui-chan isn't really the type to pause superchat for such a comment. If anything she'd be more likely to call them out, essentially making an example out of them.
@@nuclearconsensus385 actually very badass of her to do shes so based
Oh life support fr fr.
*One Gacha Game stream later*
Suisei: "Superchat is back!!!"
addicts will be addicts
i shall await it with interest
Suisei was like: " don't use your money on me, use on my merch"
Sasuga business comet woman
And man, there's a lot of Suisei merch now, i want to buy that figure they announced in the expo so bad
$200...
@@ultrareconking5942 This is why I wish/hope that some JP store use afterpay to ease the pain on the wallet a little...
Good luck for even finding it at normal price.
@@apostleofd119 The figure isn't out until next year iirc so we've got plenty of time to pre-order it at the small price of ~$200
With merch you actually got item exclusive hololive, support suisei to release more Original and cover song
That profit than only saw for 3 second notification 😂
From the Sui of the past that used to take on commissions for other Vtubers for some extra cash, to the present day Sui of not really needing the extra revenue from the superchats. Really goes to show that these girls are more than financially stable and we love to see it ^^
It's all because of the hard work they have put. It's amazing that feeling of your effort being rewarded. Not only for the stellar girl but for the rest of the talents as well. They have been doing this for years and years.
The black company is taking indirect strays again 😂
It does depend on the talent though. Some are obviously more successful than others. I know some of them are still doing side jobs, and I remember Laplus talking about her money woes not that long ago. That's mostly just entertainment industry issues more than Hololive issues though.
Suisei: "Its okay if there's no superchat, just buy my merch instead"
Pochi: "Its okay if you cant buy and then pirated my manga, just do superchat instead"
The duality of humble Vtubers
I mean for Pochi, I guess that could work as an alternate method of payment when you can't officially pay for it (would need to adjust for YT cut from superchat however).
I've been looking for a source for that alleged statement by Pochi, just so that I can show it to people who demand proof of such an understandably hard-to-believe claim. I don't suppose that you know?
@@gokbay3057well its her manga publishers would most likely also get a hefty cut of her sales right?
@@gokbay3057 she usually starts saying it randomly in her old streams. No one documented it
@@MarqFJA87 How is it a hard-to-believe claim? Most content creators who do things out of passion share this sentiment and have said something similar in the past. Hell, even people from an unrelated industry like Notch (creator of Minecraft) and GabeN (owner of Valve/Steam) have at some point said "just pirate it lol".
Imagine being so successful and mature that you can say "I'm earning enough, please don't give me money for nothing."
What's equally noteworthy is that Cover is fine with her turning off a feature that makes them money just because she feels like it.
Donations on media platforms are a means of patronage towards streamers and content creators, so I wouldn't say it's "nothing." But Suisei's overall consideration is both professional and commendable.
@@realNoMee Assuming fan spending is the same, Cover gets a better deal out of it anyway since with SCs they're losing 30% of that income to TH-cam
@@GawainW what I mean is that you actually get nothing for doing a superchat. Supporting the streamers and content creators? buy their merch, that'll also support them in more ways than just giving them money AND you get something to own related to the person you want to support.
Cover puts integrity as one of its top priorities, so I can see them allowing this as a way to tell the fans they care.
Actually the most selfless reason you can give. Shows she really respects her fans alot
Hoshiyomi wallets: "A blessing from the goddess! We can now rest easy"
Suisei merch and membership: *Are you sure about that?*
Yeah I'm really considering buying her Nendo right now....
@@sufianramli Godspeed to your wallet and living through the month
@@primecoconut4204
For that price I could buy 3 games, man!!! But it's Sui-chan merch...... what do I do?!!!!
What suisei is doing is showing us that superchat is not necessarily the best choice to support your idol, but instead you can buy their merch, this will bring joy to both parties
If only I could fucking buy something but they either don't ship or don't have my payment options lol.
Mmm yes and no, Suisei just has a LOT of merch out and business ventures that allow her to turn them off. I wouldn't say it's not the best choice when other idols/vtubers are under different companies with contracts and what they make from merch could be less than SC
This is definitely a suisei specific thing, she's quite successful in music and has a lot of merch coming out so she's just in a period where she doesn't need the extra money. Don't apply this thinking to all vtubers, everybody's percentages are different in different areas based on their company. Some peoples main income really is super chats/ donations.
@@Crytica.Have you looked at proxies like japan rabbit?
@azuraug8693 hololive is like 50% goes to the livers. For the more popular hololivers, memberships probably makes the most. 20k members at $5/mth is pulling in 100k/mth
0:43 that's actually a better way to support. Because not only you support them financially (in a way) and morally (also in a way), you as the spender get something in return as well!
👍👍👍
They get a higher cut too.
Triple win
The big problem about buying merch is that there's A LOT of money wasted on shipping. It's easier for them (in terms of revenue), but not for you. For example: in my country her plushie costs around 20 dollars, but the courier bills me around 75 more (total = $95) in order to ship it here, so I'm actually paying more (almost x4 times) on the delivery rather than the product itself. On the other hand, superchatting is instant, it lets you give a more moderate tip and you don't get scammed by DHL or any other private courier.
More merch purchased instead of money being spent on superchats means more physical media of Suisei out in the world, which leads to more exposure and advertisement.
Sasuga business comet
As someone who follows hololive stats, the general trend for superchats is decreasing, while merch sales are increasing. It will never go back to Coco or Rushia levels of superchats.
It also shows that cover corp is relying less and less from superchats.
I'm gonna say, superchats = membership, in terms of overall value (not monetary value).
Superchats are not great splits for the talent either.
that probably translates to two things. One, the vtuber business is stabilizing. No longer relying as much on bursts of attention or standout talents. There's enough of a core audience for corpos to remain stable even outside of a trend wave. Second, COVER has a much larger business reach than it did in the coco and rushia days where other companies are more likely to collaborate with or sponsor them. This is pretty evident with the amount of game and merch collabs hololive has been getting lately. In any case, i'm personally happy to see the trend move from supas to merch, but i can definitely see why some people would prefer to have a large supa culture
in short business is booming hell yeah@@milkncoffee04
Not really
Azki got 50k and Flare got 70k during their 1M endurance. Ayame Aqua Lamy Kanata Marin Pekora still flood with red sc. Then there is Calli Kiara Gura Fuwamoco from en. Ollie got 5k from a single sc last year, Raden is the 3rd highest sc earner in Japan on October
But yeah there will be no Rushia/Coco level anymore
Talents became more busy and also more mindful of the use of their voices, so they spend less stream time reading superchats. Membership gifting culture also shifted the direction of support, Suisei got +650 members gifts on that stream which is quite lot for her: she got 950 on her last concert.
Cover does rely on streaming income, as it still plays a significant part of their revenue. You can see it on their quaterly investor reports.
Apparently they care more about memberships than superchats.
I remember thinking about this during the stream. Like, SCs are only yeeted into the void at worst and acknowledged at best. Not to mention YT gets a sizable cut. And on top of all that, I personally get shy whenever my oshi percieves me, but I still want to support them. Merch drops are always a good time for me for that reason, especially since they're not too frequent.
**looks at Suisei merch** ...well, normally.
Suisei is the top seller in Holo Merch so it makes sense she doesn't need as much from SC anymore. Last known figures (as of March) for the Hololive Friends with U Plushie Sales are:
Suisei: 24,000+ plushies sold
Miko: 10,600+ sold
Marine: 10,500+ sold
Iroha: 8400+ sold
Towa: 6900+ sold
Pekora: 6800+ sold
Laplus: 6600+ sold
Okayu: 6400+ sold
Yabe! Those numbers are insane!
Slight correction, 24k++ for her first plush and the new one has sold over 15k++. So give or take ~40k plushies
Where did you get this data?? I am curious.
@@RageYS You're right, I missed the latest sales figures from 2 months ago. The one's I posted were from December. They have sold way more since then and there's been more restock of certain members so the figures have increased.
@@otakusama7525 From a subreddit called HoloStatistic they keep track of various holo stats including merch sales.
Suisei: "Yes, I'm trying to regulate your wallets!"
The viewers whose wallets have dried up since March: "Are you sure about that?"
Man i love suisei shes so adorable
She wants us to buy da merch!
Suisei is probably making TONS of money at this point. Turning off superchats can also help in the mental side of things since people can say quite disturbing things sometimes.
What's really noteworthy here is that Cover is actually allowing her to turn off something that makes them money just because she feels like it. Imagine a Nijimem telling AnyColor they want to generate less money lmao
I remember once time that Haachama closed her super-chat because She want to beat Suisei in game before open it again too. Cover just let they do whatever they want for a long time.
Meanwhile Kenmochi Toya didn't even open YT membership ever since his debut 😂
I remember Ame closed her Superchats for a longer time (basically she turned it off and forgot about it) and after her manager asked her if she wanted to turn them on again she couldn't because TH-cam had removed the SC option for her channel. Cover had to sort that out with TH-cam which took about another week.
There was a niji member who basically never had super chat on
Well, it's more that she's asking the fans to redirect that money they would've spent on superchatting her to her merch, memberships and other ways of financially supporting her.
it makes sense, superchats are just donations at the end of the day. and if you feel comfortable with your passive earnings and state of your job, some people might feel uncomfortable taking donations (even if it's out of love)
at least with merch and memberships, you're getting something out of it so it doesn't feel as one-way
She cares about our wallets. This is the definition of *_"Suffering from success."_*
I wonder if she makes pretty good money off of her music now. I’ve read some of the comments on her new original that they’ve heard it played in public or like on programs and stuff, so I think quite a lot of people know her now, especially after The First Take.
Yeah and her new song has over 10m streams on spotify already
A successful artist in Japan is fucking massivo loaded, and Suisei would be considered a successful artist + a much better merch pull than the average celeb. I think it's like logistically impossible for her not to be stupid rich atm
@@monkeylemur she sold like 40k of those plushie on holoshop, she's doing fine
A successful recording artist who gets all the revenue(no label taking a percentage, though yes she shoulders the cost). I mean yeah.
Streaming pays peanuts. It's more about the opportunities and sponsorships she gets
Sui-chan really is the best. I can't imagine many other streamers let alone vtubers turning off donations because theyre happy with the money they have
Instead of gifting me money, atleast get merch in return.
She is suffering from success and bein graceful about it. W for Sui
My first superchat was to Suisei, she was streaming Tetris that time.
It was only 50 pesos, if converted only about 1 US Dollar and it's in english and she took the effort to read it.
That's what gotten me into hololive.
I think that I'll never forget it.
She always read some chat that catch her eyes anyway so even normal chat got read usually it just gacha lol
If she opens it back, how can she read them all lmao. Superchats are flying like flash😅
Shes so sweet i love her. Shes watching out for our wallet 😂
That's all the encouragement I need to buy copious merch. Farewell paycheck-kun, your sacrifice will not be in vain
The fact that Suisei can turn off superchats is such a flex. Basically TH-cam just gets the views and ad time but aside from that not only Suisei, but Hololive and the Hoshiyomis are winning the most.
It's clip like that that reminds me why she's my oshi. After all this time she has not changed her mentality and I still just love her mindset
Crazy her company will just let her turn off a source of revenue
You say that like this has never happened before. They all have the say on whether or not they want to turn off superchats. Calli has turned off superchats mid-stream before, to stop them from raining money. And I've seen Miko stream a game she's not even allowed to monetize. No superchats. Just hours and hours of playing a game she enjoyed while hanging out with her chat.
And it's not like a streamer turning off SC for a while is gonna hurt the company anyway, with how hugely successful they are already.
There are plenty of companies who would disagree bro. I still think it's amazing like what the op thinks. A company saying no to more money isn't really a norm. @SenseofNoneYT
You say that because you haven't seen Haachama trying to get TH-cam to stop monetizing her
if you think about it in a business sense, it actually helps cover get more profit from direct merch sales instead of SC cuts. 30% cut from youtube is a big number to see if you're doing the finances and turning those off and funneling it to your merch where both talent and company get everything? man that's a win-win if nothing else.
Well, cover definitely knows better than us, a bunch of random people on internet, about how to make money and manage the talents channels😂🤷 streaming (which includes sc) now is like 28% of Hololive revenue compared to 3 or 4 years ago when it was 50%. Merch, collabs and live events like the fes now are their main source of income and are increasing in % while streaming related income is decreasing year after year.
as much as i wish she could get all that she deserves, i really respect her for this
Suisei Merchs, the pinnacle of Hololive fandom.
It is sold out almost immediately everytime it is issued,and finding reseller is almost impossible at normal price.
1:40 she has too much Yakiniku for her AYT. She's trying to save her meat source until next winter.
That is why Suisei is the GOAT!
Wallets were in Ashita no Joe state, she's being very considerate and also I'm very happy for her, she made it through hard work!
Suffering from success. Im so proud of the hoshiyomis and the Hololive fans in general.
Personally I've never understood why ppl superchat so much, imo suisei is being very reasonable here
I don't superchat too much but it is probably the method I use most often compared to membership or merch.
To me it is mostly because 1. Shipping adds a lot of hassle to merch 2. Merch is way more of a money committment than superchat.
Moreover superchats are very easy to do.
So if I feel like giving a little extra money I prefer using them (I am a member to three vtuber channels continiously but I am not able to justify to myself additional long term ones (even if individually they are incredibly cheap) and for some reason just joining for one month never felt right to me).
Moving away from superchats to merch sales is a very legitimizing thing to do. It's like going away from patreon and kickstarter. I don't think all the talents could afford to do this right now, but it is something cover corp should seriously consider for the future of their brand.
She must've been making good money even after all the 3D concerts she does, and banger MV. Most members went broke after getting an animated MV, or after 3D birthday concert.
*cough* 2 albums with physical copies in the form of CDs and Vinyls. After she went viral with BIBIDIBA I reckon that the sales of those two went up A LOT.
Proud of her for saying it's enough. They must get a ton just from members and merch alone. Don't need TH-cam taking 30% anyway
remember guys, by buying merch shes getting even more money because youtube cant take a cut from them. SO BUY MERCHS AND GIVE HER MONEY
I mean TH-cam and Hololive do take a big CHUNK of the superchat so supporting her through another from where she gets all of it would be better
That’s what I call humble.
This information makes my heart feel warm.❤
Meanwhile on the other part of the universe: "...1% of merch sales..."
I love how honest and directly she is
February March and April were brutal months for the wallets with all those birthdays fest etc. So a very respectful move from her. That's why you can't help but love that hardworking comet.
o7 to superchats. You were fun way to interact with fellow community members
smart thinking, superchats gets reduced by yt's cut anyway.
meanwhile merch gets you a cool suisei figure (and a broke wallet)
I'm hella rich
-Suisei, probably
Hahaha my card got blocked because of gacha again
-Suisei, probably still
Merch is the most direct way around both youtube (distribution) and cover (publishing)
Same as it was decades ago
Buy merch!
As a true businesswomen, she knows that she gets a high revenue split from the merch than she does from the superchats. ☄
Suisei merch is so nice and I always buy her album cds when they come out.
Excluding international sales and MGO sales, she has sold like 130k albums total in Japan alone, with no significant cuts given to any major music labels since she isn't signed to one.
So yeah, rather than sending superchats which then gets cut by youtube by a significant 30%, better buy her albums instead, be it digitally or physically!
SSS Suisei Suffering from Success.
Basically instead of not getting noticed for sending me money and getting nothing in return, buy my merch, you get something and that also gives me money win-win from a win-loss. I win both ways but why not we both win.
I didn't know i could love her and respect her even more than i already do. But here we are
The comet is saying keep the SC low. So we can afford going to Holofes nxt year.
I am happy to hear this. I think people rely too much on superchats. Sometines I hear people saying they don't want supers while also not shutting it off, which makes it seem like they have to leave it open. Plus, a lot of the time superchats are ignored, which can't feel great for people sending them. I wouldn't say you should completely cut them out, but they can be kept for times dedicated superchat streams. I feel like it's an okay revinue source, but if you don't need it, then there are better ways of making money.
On the other hand though, Asmongold famously doesn't allow superchats, and it was pointed out that his streams are expensive for twitch to host. Let me check. Oh, good, TH-cam seems to be profitable. I remember hearing that it wasn't. I thought for a moment that maybe it might be important to keep superchats since that helps youtube make money, but it doesn't seem to be needed.
Lots of suisei merch indeed😅😅Thank you Suisei❤❤
Sui-chan disabled Super Chat to cut down on gacha addiction.
The past 2 months was crazy for Hoshiyomi...
I dunno how people don't understand this. Superchats are very bad for business. TH-cam takes a huge cut and the money only go to 2 other parties (talents and company).
When you buy merchs, tickets, go to events, etc.; you're supporting a whole industry with hundred of thousands of jobs.
Tldr: superchat bad for economy, merchs good. Go buy merchs.
It's actually just a sign of the horrors to come.
it's the proper and perhaps the more "ethical" ways on how Cover gain their cash flows after getting this big.
relying on SC or Donations is acceptable for VTuber/Streamer that not capable of generating incomes through other means than their Live streams.
How humble 😌
Superchats are the lowest source of income for vtubers (and youtubers in general) anyway since google takes a big cut, and the most part of their revenue comes from merch.
It's a nice move from Suisei to turn superchat off if she doesn't need it. 😊
Sometimes I feel bad for not superchating my oshi but I make up for it on merch. I need something to remember them by when I'm old.
it's like when pokimane turned off her donation because she entered rich enough to turn it off status
Please don't make me work.
What getting fair amount of merch cut does to a comet
It's been so long that Suisei did karaoke streams that she went completely off my radar.
Suffering from success moment
cute sui-chan!
I can see that many fans use superchats to get attention from the Talent and a way to convey their message. Unfortunately many are borderline creepy or used for bad reasons. So depending on the Talent, sometimes there's just too many SCs that they need to make an extra stream just to read it. Especially if they are busy.
That's so considerate of her. Does anybody know why she turned off her Like/Dislike buttons?
Buying merch is always the best way to support vtubers
"Imagine making money off of merch" - said the 2%ers
1:03 I thought so. From merch to music, Suisei is raking those moolah. I'm glad my guess was spot on. 😊
It’s the same reasoning that LTT makes with the WAN show and I respect that. I’ve never supperchated (I already pay google enough for Premium) but I’ve bought her two CDs and I’m buying her blu rays next month. It’s all I can do to support my favorite singer.
I'm guessing this is something like achieving ROI in normal business. All 'invesments' from Hoshiyomi's have got her to a stage that all the revenue other than superchats are enough to sustain her activities and receiving more 'invesments' just didn't sit well with her.
I'm glad Suisei's doing so well for herself :)
Even when turning off a monetization stream she doesn't really need, Suisei doesn't stop the self promotion side of things. It makes sense though, because even beyond caring about her fans, from what I've seen of Suisei she really doesn't do the "I'm your waifu, give me money" angle in the first place, so telling people to buy merch instead is probably healthier for everyone involved for a lot of reasons, including people not breaking the bank on Superchats instead of getting a more reasonable amount of merch/membership.
Definitely doesn't hurt that she gets a better return that way either, I'm sure, but having her music be what pays the bills is probably more fulfilling than just letting anyone with any intentions grab center stage as many times as their wallets will allow.
tl;dr: I don't really follow her much, but her music is amazing and I'm glad she's doing well enough financially to be pickier about how the money comes in.
Multi-faceted version of suffering from success.
"I don't read them anyway"
Half of this is joke. There's no way Suisei don't read super chat from her dear fan but recently she got harassed by malicious haters so I think she does it to protect her mentality.
If she really don't read super chat then she shouldn't bother turning it off either.
It wasn't really a joke. We don't know if she read SC off stream and sometimes she read one that picked her interest but those are rare moments. She doesn't read sc on stream and don't have/do sc reading streams, it is even in her streams description.
she don't read them anymore to preserve her voice, she said this before in stream. she did read superchat in the 2020-2021 era iirc
She really doesn't read them, at least not in the way of those that do superchat reading streams.
She just reads any comment be they regular or superchat that catches her interest but majority of superchats to her do go unread. It really isn't a defense against trolling kind of thing. She wants to focus on whatever she is doing, not needing dedicate time to superchats.
its not that deep, Suisei already stated why she turn off the SC, yet you still able to read it like she still got harassed
Suichan really cares for her fans 😭😭, shes so sweet😭😭.
Oh god, Suisei's merch.
I thought my TH-cam was bugged when there was no superchat option
"You can make less, make less."
"No one ever says that."
- from the movie The Big Short
suffering from success..
Biggest net income for talents will always come from merch...
Not only in vtubing industry, this is common in general entertainment industry
Well...maybe not true for certain other vtuber agencies that only give 2% of merchandise profits to the talents
@@litrick5471 scam, grief, and black company are not considered in the context of my comment, thanks for reminding me tho
I mean, glad she isn’t greedy and is fine living with how it is 👍🏻
They should do something similar to how LTT is doing it. When they are live viewers can go to their store and buy something together with a message when they are streaming.
Lets go merch messages!?
"Mo' Money, Mo' Problems" ~ A philosopher once said.
Time to let wallet-kun recover and save our money to buy her merchs instead xD
Reminds me of a certain Iinchou who turned off her SC because she got enough from voice pack and merchs, wonder if she's still doing that
Cover should make system like LTT livestream where user get to send message with merch they bought
merch IS better on both sides tho..
(i mean suisei and the fans side)
you get something physical, she gets the highest % as support.
It’s genius, to support her you have to buy her merch, and talents get bigger cuts from merch than supachat