I got denied from 11 top colleges. I ended up going to community college and then transferred to USC with a full tuition scholarship. Best decision of my life. I saved 140,000.00.
Jay Cavinder:My plan’s similar time yours. Go to a community college to substantially outperform my high school performance. By grades, extracurricular, campus participation, and other important aspects whether singularly or a multiple in combination.
I can't disagree with what you said but you didn't talk about one of the most important issue- financial aid. Top colleges have the most amazing financial aid policies. I am from Bangladesh; my family's annual income is less than $5000. When I said I wanna apply to US colleges, people said, "you must be crazy." Well, Stanford is giving me full financial aid including 5k for medical insurance, 3.1k for personal expenses, and 1.5k for books. I am not paying a cent!!!
That's so great!) Can u please share your experience with us? What was your afterschool activities list including, how were your Sat/Act scores, when did you apply (early or regular desicion)?
That may work for some, but many in America are in that weird middle ground where they aren't poor enough for finacial aid but not rich enough to afford good colleges.
Totally agree that major is more important. Going to a state school for engineering is definitely more worthwhile than a degree in hooblah at an ivy league
@@jacksonmadison9994this yt channel acc made a video 4 reasons u SHOULD go to an elite school, and they found the benefit of having the name of your college be elite goes down significantly if you’re majoring in stem, in other words the playing field is level. It only gets drastic when it comes to liberal arts and business. so I think a stem degree is worthwhile anywhere, while w business or liberal art degree the discrepancy as way more noticeable
That ROI data for universities is misleading: their alumni are primarily living in HCOL areas. A $120k job in Silicon Valley sounds great until you realize you're paying California taxes and Bay Area rental fees.
200%+ work hours in 200%+ cost of living areas with massive debt loads and opportunity costs make $300k starting careers merely middle class, all things considered, and lower middle class when risk is considered. College ROI data is worthless. The only possible serious ROI from college comes from LANGUAGE classes since it can help you retire to a cheap cost of living country or a country with no extradition treaty with the US lol. The fact that colleges don't promote this shows you they know what they're really doing. And they all cynically promote liberalism because the big liberal cities have the HCOL premium and fake returns. And K-12 schools only promote college because it looks good for the local housing values to be in a good school area. Actually helping their graduates earn money from their labor is never considered. The entire education business needs to be absolutely reformed at all levels.
In most ways true! I started out at an elite private college (one of the top 5 in the nation for the program I chose), but when my mom couldn't afford it anymore, I switched to an unknown state university, just because it was near my house and had a program that would let me finish my course of study. I found that since I took my education seriously and made the most of what was at that obscure state school, I was getting almost as much out of my classes as I had been at the gold-plated school I'd attended earlier. The only real difference was in my peers. The quality of the other students was definitely higher at the private school. BUT! I strongly suspect this is no longer the case. These days, college is so ridiculously expensive that high-level students will often choose state schools and even community colleges to save money. Some move on to top colleges through transferring but plenty like their state schools enough to finish out where they started. I think in terms of pure education, today's students will do just as well at a good state school as I'd done at my top-flight private school back in the 20th century.
Thank you so much for making these videos. As an international student trying to navigate the (complicated and confusing) US application process they have been extremely helpful!
For me, I'm applying to top colleges because they have the best financial aid. Kind of crazy how state schools are much more expensive than private ones to me.
I grew up in rural Illinois. My Dad never earned more than $35k and we had a family of 6. I went to Northwestern as a Political Science Major with plans for law school. I decided not to go to law school and upon graduation I moved to Los Angeles with $500 to my name and no job lined up. I got into sales, Lanier Photo copiers…and continued to grow in sales related careers. Now at 52 I have a $200k salary plus bonuses. Northwestern was very good to me…I love Northwestern. But I have also seen that there are very capable people from all different schools. My success in sales has much less to do with my being from Northwestern than it does my knack for sales.
I always tell my clients a couple of things: (a) the only thing people look at is the terminal degree - if you're going to grad school, the only thing that matters for undergrad is how well it does getting you in those grad programs. (b) There are times top schools are worth the investment - but it varies from school to school and is heavily influenced by major (which is hit in this vid). For example, if you are set on being a stock broker, the connections you get through the Ivies can be a big benefit). (c) There are some majors that are WAY better at other places than in Ivies - say, forensics. So... the takeaway for me is focus on what makes sense for your plan. Look at ROI, at impact for specific majors, and impact for grad school if that's something you want to do.
They kind of do matter. I went to a school, that isn’t a top school, but it’s the best school in my field in the world. It has opened up so many doors for me and I have a better education and more practical knowledge than most of my peers...
A "top college" is usually a college that has better resources for students coming back to get a master's or doctorate degree. Which is why they're held at a "higher level" since they can provide at a higher level. Other than that you're being taught the same things whether you're in a ivy league, college or community college etc.
Their income is not totally the outcome of their abilities. The amount of money that someone makes is not necessarily a reflection on how productive, intelligent, or unique someone is.
Yeah, I have met several disadvantaged people who I know have great capability and are hardworkers, but they will never be seen as "good" or "better" as their privileged, economically well-off, peers who put the same effort if not less, than them.
I just applied to cal poly Pomona and I felt really insecure about it bc people are like well that’s a dumb school bc the acceptance rate is so high but now watching this I’m confident I’ll do well after college regardless of where I go Thanks Brooke:))
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There are some colleges where it is easy to get in, but difficult to stay in. One of those is Missouri S & T. If you think you can party through the engineering program at this school, you will probably flunk out your first year.
That’s funny... I’ve never been rejected from a school. I really thank God because I prayed through the admissions process. Only applied to one college and got in. Was accepted into two of my graduate degree programs 🙏🏾👏🏾🤷🏾♀️
The big problem is the whole idea of "top" colleges to begin with. What makes them "top"? Difficulty of admission? Endowment? "Reputation"? It's mostly nonsense that people use to stroke their own egos.
The things that make schools “top” isn’t relating to any academics. It’s about what happens after your 4 year period of college ends and it’s time to get a job. Networking is easier in “top” schools as more reputable companies come to career fairs compared to a state schools. That’s literally it, Ivy schools are no different from state schools in most things except for career fairs.
A piece of advice from somebody who took the SAT as a freshman: you’re wasting your money. Your freshman year scores will almost certainly not compare to scores from your junior or senior year. Sure, it took away some of the stress but I still regret the $80 I spent to waste my Saturday a score that later meant nothing. Not to sound pessimistic, but if you still have time you’re better off just cancelling
I went to SJSU and a Cal (UC Berkeley) graduate made fun of me for going there.....I'll never forget that! My dad paid for my college and I came out with zero debt. I did tell him...."Biatch, we are working shoulder to shoulder..." Many tend to be arrogant. Just remember, some of us don't care to go to "top" schools..
This is so true! Most times, going to ivy league schools is all about the reputation, whereas, you could go to state university or a lower tier school and get a great education and be just as successful in your future. In addition, you don't have to force yourself to be the best student in high school and do clubs and programs only because "they look good" to admissions counselors. Do what you love for YOU not them. Happiness is most important and not going to a top tier school will not make you any less successful. On top of that you'll save 100K + in loans. The best decision I made was to go to a state school.
It’s called IQ and motivation. If you lacked motivation in high school but still have a high IQ, find some motivation and you’ll do just as well as someone who has your IQ but went to Harvard
I also made 100k as a construction worker before I ever had a graduate degree. I’m African American and attend Nyu as a part time student. My path has been unorthodox. Just not sure how much I believe in schooling. However, thankful for my options🙏🏾
There's such an obsession with college rankings that no one alive could ever convince the masses that it's all about the person attending the college rather than the college.
Top colleges don't give scholarships for academic merit, since all their students are high achievers. Their financial aid is based on need, so if your family is middle class or lower you get a full scholarship, but if you are very rich you pay the full cost. If you are somewhere in the middle, they give you partial financial aid based on your income and assets.
Thanks for the reply! So based on your response, once I officially get into a top college, can I get a scholarship instantaneously as my family is in the middle social status? Can you please reinforce your statement for me (because I’m still in 6th grade)? Thanks!
First of all, 6th grade is WAY too young to get stressed about what college you are going to and how you are going to pay for it. Yes, you should study and do well in school to pave the way for academic success in middle and high school, but have fun too. Hang with your friends, play sports, and do the things you like outside of school. As far as financial aid, my response was a general statement so it is no guarantee of how much financial aid you will receive. Also, while it applies to U.S. students, the formula may be different if you are international. Your best bet is to go to the web sites for the schools you are most interested in and check out their financial aid policies. Most of them have calculators on their sites where you plug in your family financial information and it estimates how much financial aid you are likely to receive. Note that this will be an estimate, not a guarantee of how much money you will receive. But it will give you a good idea of where you stand. Good luck!
Just saw this and found it very helpful even after finding and submitting for early action colleges. Great that you mentioned ROI with many don’t thoroughly consider.
But I thought Ivy League provide complete student aid depending on your annual income. For ex Harvard gives free education to people who's annual income of less than 65000$
Yes. Some people make 100K+ or even 200K+ per family but still can't afford 50-70K/year to send their kid to school because they have other obligations like a mortgage, cost of living in an expensive area, lack of savings for retirement, private school costs for younger siblings, etc. Others are disqualified because of assets they own and not all parents want to refinance their house or sell property and move into a tiny apartment to send kids to an expensive college. Many families are too rich for aid but not rich enough to make paying for expensive colleges easy or practical.
Brooke Hanson - True. And some people are doing well now but went through really hard times during the recession and in the years after (maybe even before the recession), so they weren't able to save. A family's income in the present is just a snapshot.
I completely agree with you Brooke, as my family is in this category. My father lives in New York where the rent is sky high and we live far away from him so whenever I want to see him we must pay thousands in transportation. Also, my siblings are also in college so we really can’t pay $70,000+ a year to send me to a prestigious college, even though academically I am qualified.
@@brookifyd Very true. Interesting by the way to read how they present the "student debt": 100% of students in need of financial aid end up debt-free. I bet that a lot of students who are just above the line of "in need of financial aid" have to make student loans.
Top universities are not at all overrated. They have the best financial aid packages, offering free tuition to a large number of students. Sometimes free tuition AND room and board on top of that. They also have well over 90% graduation rates, the average school doesn’t have that.
Dear I passed my high school in 2013 . After this I did not study anything . Now I am applying in Austin community college for associate degree in Aerospace Engineering. With this big can I get admitted in Austin community colleges.
I Find your videos super helpful, do you think that you can do a video on How to decide what college you want to go to or how to decide what career is best fit for you? I am currently a junior and have no idea what to do with my life..
I agree with everything you said Brooke. I would like to touch one some of my perspectives. So to explain in sports terms, an ivy or a top 20 school is like a d1 scholarship. you have a better chance at getting wealthy but not all the time. Certainly there can be exceptions from plain old schools. Also, ivies might be overrated but they offer really good student demonstrated need. Along with the fact that if I am an emplyoer, a person who graduated from Princeton with an MB graduated from a school no one heard about with an MBAA will look better than someone who
I really need your advice! I’ve taken the sat 3 times and the highest I’ve gotten is a 1200 but I am going to take it one more time on June 2nd and my goal is as close as I can get to a 1300! I really need your help! Idk what to do!
Elite schools have their place but for the most part not needed. Yes, certain jobs lead to elite schools like Brooke’s career. Would you listen to her if she had attended Cal State Los Angeles? Likely no. But, take me for example. I attended Cal State Northridge. Worked in admissions for year thereafter and hated it. I applied to med school and was accepted to Northwestern med. I am now a neurologist. Did it matter that I attended a state school for undergrad? Absolutely not. I got to compete with a lower gene pool and excelled. Better to be a big fish in a small pond as you will stand out. I strongly believe Brooke’s first point that you matter more than the school.
This is a great video. I believe the video is missing something though. I have hired people at multiple levels. Sometimes the distinction between top employees is small but someone must be promoted. For example, an engineering team might have lost their manager and someone needs to be promoted into that position. There are various methods to help identify who will make the best move into management but the methods don't do a good job comparing Rockstar employees. After finding the best two or three members of the team, picking the person who went to the best college works well. For example, I could be evaluating the two best design engineers on a team. One engineer graduated from a tiny rural college. The second engineer graduated from Brown. There is simply no question, I promote the guy that went to Brown. That being said, an employee who graduated from Harvard who is just average, won't be the person promoted. Being a Rockstar is a must.
When you evaluate two employees for the same promotion, preferring the one who attended a more prestigious school might not be the best option, especially if they are equally as capable. See, for the employee who graduated from Brown, they had an inherent advantage in applying for jobs over the other employee simply for their Alma Mater's prestige. Meanwhile, the employee who graduated from a smaller and less prestigious school had a more difficult time just getting in the door, but they overcame the odds and made it happen. The employee who went to a lower ranked school had to demonstrate more grit to be where they are today, so they will likely apply this same mindset to whatever challenges face them in their new role. So, when you're comparing two employees of equal skill for the same role, consider the challenges they overcame to get there.
Are you ok surviving a middle class or modest existence the rest of your life and working 60-80 hour weeks through your 20's for modest pay? If so, then you will be ok. Film-TV is not as "fun" as your 16 year old self may believe it will be and the culture of hollywood is rife with disrespect and abuses. As you get older your priorities may likely change, and you'll be less inclined to deal with the unnecessary drama. Still, I have friends who are still working in the industry. It takes about a decade for most people (even with top college degrees or from USC/UCLA/NYU) to get decent paying work and get over the "paying your dues" part of the industry. Even then, there is not as much money in the industry as E! Entertainment interviews might make you think. Silicon Valley has TEN TIMES the capital that the film industry / LA business community does or something crazy like that. With a few "wild card" exceptions, even then you'll be making less than you likely could in many other fields.
I found this video very encouraging.........but why do most billionaires(a several hundred of them) have attended top colleges like Harvard, Stanford, MIT, etc?
I’m just trying to make a 19 at least on my act. I want at least a 1020 on my sat. WVU is my dream college n it’s a instate college but I feel like I’m not gonna get in because I can’t get a high score
Amy-- have you watched all of our videos here? We also have some blog posts that can hopefully help! If you don't have the budget for a course (we have an online one at supertutortv.com), I suggest you at least put together a study plan, get some books from the library, and maybe aim for the July ACT or August SAT to try to up your score. Good luck! It can be done but takes effort above all!!
Brooke Hanson I took the SAT last Tuesday and the ACT last Saturday. I had little practice. I don’t have no money to spend on materials so I printed some free practice off online. I’m just hoping I got a good enough score. I completed two years of highschool in one year so I’ve been pushed with time for everything and didn’t have much time for anything else.
Ok, you can retake in the summer (unless you're in NY or CA, which don't offer the ACT in July) and maybe get some more time for studying then! There are lots of free resources if you make the effort!
I have the option of going to U of M and Calvin college (a smaller Christian college) for approximately equal price. How much does having a better academic name on your resume matter?
Depends on what you want to do and where you want to do it. If you're interested in becoming a youth pastor, Calvin College would look great and potentially open doors. If you want to move eight states away after graduating and work in sales or marketing or finance, Michigan is going to get you more interviews. If you're great at networking it shouldn't matter very much, but if you're planning to move farther away, the bigger name will get you more meetings (that doesn't necessarily mean more jobs but it is a factor).
Yeah, working on it. We finally found a full time person to help with formatting/publishing elements. We are planning to send the first of the three for proofs from the printers in the next few weeks. They'll be released as a set, though (3 books), so we have 2 more to work through. I would guess summer at the latest. For now, most of the problem sets are part of our online course, and updates will hit there first.
I would bet that these studies showing higher ROI for engineering majors, let’s say, than for English or Political Science majors are focusing on starting salary alone. Of course, all things being equal, a person with a bachelors degree in (for example) mechanical engineering will get a higher paying “right out of college” job than someone with a bachelors degree in History. But, many very smart liberal arts majors go on to earn an MBA, a law degree, or both and end up managing the engineers.
The more the job market is flooded with people with college degrees, the less valuable they become due to the laws of supply and demand. The De Beers diamond company hoards diamonds and create artificial scarcity for this very reason. The more the market is flooded with diamonds, the less valuable they become in the diamond market due to the laws of supply and demand.
4:30 they may have fared just as well in life because they had generational assets as safety nets or advantages, hence the racial disparity. That’s a policy outcome, not an indicator of student performance at any college, elite or not
It isnt to forget that hopefully most students dont apply to elite Universities to have the best salary but to make a change in the world. (It sounds utopian but facebook was a change in the world too. )
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Facebook went into business the day "Life Log" shut down. Facebook is an intelligence gathering service for the CIA. Mark Zuckerberg is a Rothschild. This is all easily googled. People starting billion dollar businesses out of their garages with no experience is a myth perpetrated by the Intelligence Agencies.
I hated how she used “but otherwise” when talking about inequities affecting people of color. To me it implied that her videos are meant for white people and others who benefit from some form of privilege and it’s okay because they won’t have to worry about that. It’s not a huge deal but I have noticed that that rhetoric can be what discourages students and color and perpetuates an arrogant mindset. Just saying that someone like her who produces these videos and is supposed to be an expert at assisting students should ensure that her language is inclusive as possible. (Lol that’s my hot take -Racist ppl swerve, it’s important that comments like these are brought up and apart of everyday discussion:))
I got denied from 11 top colleges. I ended up going to community college and then transferred to USC with a full tuition scholarship. Best decision of my life. I saved 140,000.00.
Jay Cavinder:My plan’s similar time yours. Go to a community college to substantially outperform my high school performance. By grades, extracurricular, campus participation, and other important aspects whether singularly or a multiple in combination.
Stonks
Did all of your credits transfer?
@@hanako7876 70 percent did.
Thats amazing. How did you get a full ride?
I can't disagree with what you said but you didn't talk about one of the most important issue- financial aid. Top colleges have the most amazing financial aid policies. I am from Bangladesh; my family's annual income is less than $5000. When I said I wanna apply to US colleges, people said, "you must be crazy." Well, Stanford is giving me full financial aid including 5k for medical insurance, 3.1k for personal expenses, and 1.5k for books. I am not paying a cent!!!
Mohammad Haque that's so cool! Hope you have fun at college ! :)
sheyla pichal: thanks
That's so great!) Can u please share your experience with us? What was your afterschool activities list including, how were your Sat/Act scores, when did you apply (early or regular desicion)?
wow congrats on getting in stanford, have an amazing college life
That may work for some, but many in America are in that weird middle ground where they aren't poor enough for finacial aid but not rich enough to afford good colleges.
sees 'overrated'
AP Lang flashback intensifies
This comment is underrated
That first passage though
ROUGH
@@bellaconety7307 fr though, i swear that passage was what messed me up from a 5
@@rahulshah7611 ME TOO
Rahul Shah i still got a 5 so the essays I did must’ve really came in clutch lol
brooke sis please dont give me an existential crisis i have ap tests to study for
Top schools have many advantages, too! We'll talk about that soon...
omg im DED
My son got into Harvey Mudd with full tuition scholarship. I’m a proud dad.
Congrats to your son!
Congratssss
You should be proud! Harvey Mudd is a great school!
Harvey is a top engineering LAC with a sub 15% acceptance rate though...
@@anonfan7763 and..? What's your point
0:45 Homegirl looked so dissapointed saying some people quit private tutoring lmao
Totally agree that major is more important. Going to a state school for engineering is definitely more worthwhile than a degree in hooblah at an ivy league
Totally!!!
STEM at Stanford or MIT is more worthwhile than STEM at a state school.
@@jacksonmadison9994this yt channel acc made a video 4 reasons u SHOULD go to an elite school, and they found the benefit of having the name of your college be elite goes down significantly if you’re majoring in stem, in other words the playing field is level. It only gets drastic when it comes to liberal arts and business. so I think a stem degree is worthwhile anywhere, while w business or liberal art degree the discrepancy as way more noticeable
@@mayuhmetalSchool matters for STEM, better research facilities makes all the difference
this video makes me feel so much better for turning down brown for a full ride in-state, thank you so much!
Ishrat Singh I bet that was a tough choice, but a full ride is hard to pass up
I don't know your situation and other stuff. But R U MAD?????????? This was an Ivy League school that gave you a full ride!!!!!!
I'm not sure if u r serious, or if this is a joke....
@@alicewonderland2842 why would it be a joke? A full ride is fantastic and he made a good choice
@@paarths.5281 thats not what he meat lol he chose a full ride at an in-state school vs. Brown
This is like Ned from the TryGuys. He went to Yale but he ended up doing the same job as his friends who didn't go to Ivy Leagues.
That ROI data for universities is misleading: their alumni are primarily living in HCOL areas. A $120k job in Silicon Valley sounds great until you realize you're paying California taxes and Bay Area rental fees.
200%+ work hours in 200%+ cost of living areas with massive debt loads and opportunity costs make $300k starting careers merely middle class, all things considered, and lower middle class when risk is considered. College ROI data is worthless. The only possible serious ROI from college comes from LANGUAGE classes since it can help you retire to a cheap cost of living country or a country with no extradition treaty with the US lol. The fact that colleges don't promote this shows you they know what they're really doing. And they all cynically promote liberalism because the big liberal cities have the HCOL premium and fake returns.
And K-12 schools only promote college because it looks good for the local housing values to be in a good school area. Actually helping their graduates earn money from their labor is never considered. The entire education business needs to be absolutely reformed at all levels.
In most ways true! I started out at an elite private college (one of the top 5 in the nation for the program I chose), but when my mom couldn't afford it anymore, I switched to an unknown state university, just because it was near my house and had a program that would let me finish my course of study.
I found that since I took my education seriously and made the most of what was at that obscure state school, I was getting almost as much out of my classes as I had been at the gold-plated school I'd attended earlier. The only real difference was in my peers. The quality of the other students was definitely higher at the private school.
BUT! I strongly suspect this is no longer the case. These days, college is so ridiculously expensive that high-level students will often choose state schools and even community colleges to save money. Some move on to top colleges through transferring but plenty like their state schools enough to finish out where they started.
I think in terms of pure education, today's students will do just as well at a good state school as I'd done at my top-flight private school back in the 20th century.
I got rejected by UCLA and UC Berkeley but I got into UCI so I guess I'm content with what I got
Alan Berman why are you an eagles fan if you go to a Cali school
@@didjen181 This question is so dumb that it doesn't need answering
UCI is a great school.
Thank you so much for making these videos. As an international student trying to navigate the (complicated and confusing) US application process they have been extremely helpful!
Wow I'm going to Glendale community college lol
Aye hopefully you are in that 7.2 percent
Go Glendale Human Beings!
Ooh same
Marvy.
For me, I'm applying to top colleges because they have the best financial aid. Kind of crazy how state schools are much more expensive than private ones to me.
But not every one of them has great financial aid right
@@angelinebena9675 exactly
We're on the same boat man
Did it work out?
This made feel so much better after I got rejected from all the top schools I applied to. Thank you,
super tutor
I bet that does make you feel good.
can you make a video about internationall students
I grew up in rural Illinois. My Dad never earned more than $35k and we had a family of 6. I went to Northwestern as a Political Science Major with plans for law school. I decided not to go to law school and upon graduation I moved to Los Angeles with $500 to my name and no job lined up. I got into sales, Lanier Photo copiers…and continued to grow in sales related careers. Now at 52 I have a $200k salary plus bonuses. Northwestern was very good to me…I love Northwestern. But I have also seen that there are very capable people from all different schools. My success in sales has much less to do with my being from Northwestern than it does my knack for sales.
Stony Brook grad here! Happy I went there instead of an expensive private school offering the same quality of education.
I always tell my clients a couple of things: (a) the only thing people look at is the terminal degree - if you're going to grad school, the only thing that matters for undergrad is how well it does getting you in those grad programs. (b) There are times top schools are worth the investment - but it varies from school to school and is heavily influenced by major (which is hit in this vid). For example, if you are set on being a stock broker, the connections you get through the Ivies can be a big benefit). (c) There are some majors that are WAY better at other places than in Ivies - say, forensics. So... the takeaway for me is focus on what makes sense for your plan. Look at ROI, at impact for specific majors, and impact for grad school if that's something you want to do.
They kind of do matter. I went to a school, that isn’t a top school, but it’s the best school in my field in the world. It has opened up so many doors for me and I have a better education and more practical knowledge than most of my peers...
Top colleges are better for post-graduate studies right?
Phillip Tran yes
Especially in the research field
Usually yes.
A "top college" is usually a college that has better resources for students coming back to get a master's or doctorate degree. Which is why they're held at a "higher level" since they can provide at a higher level. Other than that you're being taught the same things whether you're in a ivy league, college or community college etc.
I think so.
That first fact by itself makes me feel so much better. Thank you.
Their income is not totally the outcome of their abilities. The amount of money that someone makes is not necessarily a reflection on how productive, intelligent, or unique someone is.
Really? Is it a product of how nice they smell?
Yeah, I have met several disadvantaged people who I know have great capability and are hardworkers, but they will never be seen as "good" or "better" as their privileged, economically well-off, peers who put the same effort if not less, than them.
You are so correct. Most important is work ethic. Second is the major you study. Third is the school you attend.
Wow thank you so much for you to take the time to go in depth. This is real content. I love u.
Glad to help, Jacob!
I just applied to cal poly Pomona and I felt really insecure about it bc people are like well that’s a dumb school bc the acceptance rate is so high but now watching this I’m confident I’ll do well after college regardless of where I go
Thanks Brooke:))
There are some colleges where it is easy to get in, but difficult to stay in. One of those is Missouri S & T. If you think you can party through the engineering program at this school, you will probably flunk out your first year.
Obviously. bc it is obvious.
she didnt say ucla she said cal state los angeles there is a HUGE difference
That’s funny... I’ve never been rejected from a school. I really thank God because I prayed through the admissions process. Only applied to one college and got in. Was accepted into two of my graduate degree programs 🙏🏾👏🏾🤷🏾♀️
Pray. Strong plan for college admission. Keep praying. You are gonna need it.
The big problem is the whole idea of "top" colleges to begin with. What makes them "top"? Difficulty of admission? Endowment? "Reputation"? It's mostly nonsense that people use to stroke their own egos.
The things that make schools “top” isn’t relating to any academics. It’s about what happens after your 4 year period of college ends and it’s time to get a job. Networking is easier in “top” schools as more reputable companies come to career fairs compared to a state schools. That’s literally it, Ivy schools are no different from state schools in most things except for career fairs.
Can you do a video on the top schools for future medical students and also for 9th graders taking the SAT for the first time.
Thank you for the suggestion, Emmanuel! Will definitely keep in mind--our list is growing! Keep 'em comin'!
A piece of advice from somebody who took the SAT as a freshman: you’re wasting your money. Your freshman year scores will almost certainly not compare to scores from your junior or senior year. Sure, it took away some of the stress but I still regret the $80 I spent to waste my Saturday a score that later meant nothing. Not to sound pessimistic, but if you still have time you’re better off just cancelling
I just want to see how well I do, I do see where you are coming from, but I want to be the best I can be. Thanks
Emmanuel Bassey take the PSAT instead. At my school at least its a lot cheaper and sometimes free if the whole school is required to do it
thanks u will think about it
I went to SJSU and a Cal (UC Berkeley) graduate made fun of me for going there.....I'll never forget that! My dad paid for my college and I came out with zero debt. I did tell him...."Biatch, we are working shoulder to shoulder..." Many tend to be arrogant. Just remember, some of us don't care to go to "top" schools..
This is so true! Most times, going to ivy league schools is all about the reputation, whereas, you could go to state university or a lower tier school and get a great education and be just as successful in your future. In addition, you don't have to force yourself to be the best student in high school and do clubs and programs only because "they look good" to admissions counselors. Do what you love for YOU not them. Happiness is most important and not going to a top tier school will not make you any less successful.
On top of that you'll save 100K + in loans. The best decision I made was to go to a state school.
I got waitlisted by my top school and I'm going to a much cheaper small private school in my home state. (:
How it went?
It’s called IQ and motivation. If you lacked motivation in high school but still have a high IQ, find some motivation and you’ll do just as well as someone who has your IQ but went to Harvard
excellent and very accurate information! Thanks
I actually attended Cal State Los Angeles for over 5 years. Nice to know I was taking a step in the right direction.
I love this one Brooke. Thank you! I have found other research (e.g. see Gladwell’s video) that supports all of this, but you laid it out best.
I also made 100k as a construction worker before I ever had a graduate degree. I’m African American and attend Nyu as a part time student. My path has been unorthodox. Just not sure how much I believe in schooling. However, thankful for my options🙏🏾
There's such an obsession with college rankings that no one alive could ever convince the masses that it's all about the person attending the college rather than the college.
Top fifth meaning a salary of $58,000+ is a wild range to have within one category. There’s a massive difference between $58k a year and 5mil a year.
Can you please do a video about how to get/how much effort is indispensable for a scholarship at top colleges (Harvard, MIT, CalTech, etc.)?
Top colleges don't give scholarships for academic merit, since all their students are high achievers. Their financial aid is based on need, so if your family is middle class or lower you get a full scholarship, but if you are very rich you pay the full cost. If you are somewhere in the middle, they give you partial financial aid based on your income and assets.
Thanks for the reply!
So based on your response, once I officially get into a top college, can I get a scholarship instantaneously as my family is in the middle social status? Can you please reinforce your statement for me (because I’m still in 6th grade)? Thanks!
First of all, 6th grade is WAY too young to get stressed about what college you are going to and how you are going to pay for it. Yes, you should study and do well in school to pave the way for academic success in middle and high school, but have fun too. Hang with your friends, play sports, and do the things you like outside of school.
As far as financial aid, my response was a general statement so it is no guarantee of how much financial aid you will receive. Also, while it applies to U.S. students, the formula may be different if you are international. Your best bet is to go to the web sites for the schools you are most interested in and check out their financial aid policies. Most of them have calculators on their sites where you plug in your family financial information and it estimates how much financial aid you are likely to receive. Note that this will be an estimate, not a guarantee of how much money you will receive. But it will give you a good idea of where you stand.
Good luck!
Thank you for your responses! And have great day ;)
Just saw this and found it very helpful even after finding and submitting for early action colleges. Great that you mentioned ROI with many don’t thoroughly consider.
But I thought Ivy League provide complete student aid depending on your annual income. For ex Harvard gives free education to people who's annual income of less than 65000$
Yes. Some people make 100K+ or even 200K+ per family but still can't afford 50-70K/year to send their kid to school because they have other obligations like a mortgage, cost of living in an expensive area, lack of savings for retirement, private school costs for younger siblings, etc. Others are disqualified because of assets they own and not all parents want to refinance their house or sell property and move into a tiny apartment to send kids to an expensive college. Many families are too rich for aid but not rich enough to make paying for expensive colleges easy or practical.
Brooke Hanson - True. And some people are doing well now but went through really hard times during the recession and in the years after (maybe even before the recession), so they weren't able to save. A family's income in the present is just a snapshot.
I completely agree with you Brooke, as my family is in this category. My father lives in New York where the rent is sky high and we live far away from him so whenever I want to see him we must pay thousands in transportation. Also, my siblings are also in college so we really can’t pay $70,000+ a year to send me to a prestigious college, even though academically I am qualified.
@@brookifyd Very true. Interesting by the way to read how they present the "student debt": 100% of students in need of financial aid end up debt-free. I bet that a lot of students who are just above the line of "in need of financial aid" have to make student loans.
You really think that? Wow.
Top universities are not at all overrated. They have the best financial aid packages, offering free tuition to a large number of students. Sometimes free tuition AND room and board on top of that. They also have well over 90% graduation rates, the average school doesn’t have that.
Any thoughts on Bowdoin College in Maine? We live in CA and daughter got an offer to study in Bowdoin.
Dear
I passed my high school in 2013 . After this I did not study anything . Now I am applying in Austin community college for associate degree in Aerospace Engineering. With this big can I get admitted in Austin community colleges.
Sounds like a brilliant plan.
Can you talk about state colleges with honors programs?
Yes please
I Find your videos super helpful, do you think that you can do a video on How to decide what college you want to go to or how to decide what career is best fit for you? I am currently a junior and have no idea what to do with my life..
Coming this week!!! Yes we are going to keep doing college admissions themed content as it is doing well and you all seem to like it!
I know that top colleges are overrated, but I like to think that if I got in, it would be a way to say thank you to my parents.
Right. Put 'em into bankruptcy. They will be thrilled.
I agree with everything you said Brooke. I would like to touch one some of my perspectives.
So to explain in sports terms, an ivy or a top 20 school is like a d1 scholarship. you have a better chance at getting wealthy but not all the time. Certainly there can be exceptions from plain old schools.
Also, ivies might be overrated but they offer really good student demonstrated need.
Along with the fact that if I am an emplyoer, a person who graduated from Princeton with an MB graduated from a school no one heard about with an MBAA will look better than someone who
Agree
Bowdoin ‘22 - this channel was so helpful during this process! Go polar bears 🐾🖤🐾
I guess this eases the pain of the rejection from my dream school.. I don’t need you UCLA... UCSB wanted me.. 😩😭 lol
I really need your advice! I’ve taken the sat 3 times and the highest I’ve gotten is a 1200 but I am going to take it one more time on June 2nd and my goal is as close as I can get to a 1300! I really need your help! Idk what to do!
Autumn Tennison take practice tests and do error analysis. Number one way to improve is you have to be self-motivated
I love when you sound down to earth
UTEP grad here. Love my alma mater and happy I didn’t have to pay all these extra Benjamins to these top schools.
I would like to see what graduates of the top universities are making mid-career or later, by major.
UIUC would be held in the same regard as the ivies if it was founded 200 years earlier and had a lower acceptance rate.
this was the vanderbilt strategy lmaoooooooo. Goes from 35% acceptance -> 10% acceptance and people think it's more prestigious.
Elite schools have their place but for the most part not needed. Yes, certain jobs lead to elite schools like Brooke’s career. Would you listen to her if she had attended Cal State Los Angeles? Likely no. But, take me for example. I attended Cal State Northridge. Worked in admissions for year thereafter and hated it. I applied to med school and was accepted to Northwestern med. I am now a neurologist. Did it matter that I attended a state school for undergrad? Absolutely not. I got to compete with a lower gene pool and excelled. Better to be a big fish in a small pond as you will stand out. I strongly believe Brooke’s first point that you matter more than the school.
This is a great video. I believe the video is missing something though. I have hired people at multiple levels. Sometimes the distinction between top employees is small but someone must be promoted. For example, an engineering team might have lost their manager and someone needs to be promoted into that position. There are various methods to help identify who will make the best move into management but the methods don't do a good job comparing Rockstar employees. After finding the best two or three members of the team, picking the person who went to the best college works well.
For example, I could be evaluating the two best design engineers on a team. One engineer graduated from a tiny rural college. The second engineer graduated from Brown. There is simply no question, I promote the guy that went to Brown.
That being said, an employee who graduated from Harvard who is just average, won't be the person promoted. Being a Rockstar is a must.
When you evaluate two employees for the same promotion, preferring the one who attended a more prestigious school might not be the best option, especially if they are equally as capable. See, for the employee who graduated from Brown, they had an inherent advantage in applying for jobs over the other employee simply for their Alma Mater's prestige. Meanwhile, the employee who graduated from a smaller and less prestigious school had a more difficult time just getting in the door, but they overcame the odds and made it happen. The employee who went to a lower ranked school had to demonstrate more grit to be where they are today, so they will likely apply this same mindset to whatever challenges face them in their new role. So, when you're comparing two employees of equal skill for the same role, consider the challenges they overcame to get there.
Can you please make a video for international students to get into top universities
I want to go into film/tv production. Am I fucked and should just give up or will I be okay?
Are you ok surviving a middle class or modest existence the rest of your life and working 60-80 hour weeks through your 20's for modest pay? If so, then you will be ok. Film-TV is not as "fun" as your 16 year old self may believe it will be and the culture of hollywood is rife with disrespect and abuses. As you get older your priorities may likely change, and you'll be less inclined to deal with the unnecessary drama. Still, I have friends who are still working in the industry. It takes about a decade for most people (even with top college degrees or from USC/UCLA/NYU) to get decent paying work and get over the "paying your dues" part of the industry. Even then, there is not as much money in the industry as E! Entertainment interviews might make you think. Silicon Valley has TEN TIMES the capital that the film industry / LA business community does or something crazy like that. With a few "wild card" exceptions, even then you'll be making less than you likely could in many other fields.
I found this video very encouraging.........but why do most billionaires(a several hundred of them) have attended top colleges like Harvard, Stanford, MIT, etc?
My dad used to work for Glendale CC, they have a really cool campus though I didn't go much.
What a fascinating story.
I’m just trying to make a 19 at least on my act. I want at least a 1020 on my sat. WVU is my dream college n it’s a instate college but I feel like I’m not gonna get in because I can’t get a high score
Amy Nicole Keep practicing dude.
Amy-- have you watched all of our videos here? We also have some blog posts that can hopefully help! If you don't have the budget for a course (we have an online one at supertutortv.com), I suggest you at least put together a study plan, get some books from the library, and maybe aim for the July ACT or August SAT to try to up your score. Good luck! It can be done but takes effort above all!!
Brooke Hanson I took the SAT last Tuesday and the ACT last Saturday. I had little practice. I don’t have no money to spend on materials so I printed some free practice off online. I’m just hoping I got a good enough score. I completed two years of highschool in one year so I’ve been pushed with time for everything and didn’t have much time for anything else.
Ok, you can retake in the summer (unless you're in NY or CA, which don't offer the ACT in July) and maybe get some more time for studying then! There are lots of free resources if you make the effort!
Use Khan Academy! I used only KA and scored a 1580/1600.
Can you make a video about international students?
This is great! Thank you.
Hi! I an a high school senior currently and I need some desperate advice! How can I contact you?
You know. I feel much better. I'm gonna graduate from pitt and my starting salary is about 70k. Better than mit so I'll take it!
literally the next video on recommended: "4 reasons to choose an elite college"
I have the option of going to U of M and Calvin college (a smaller Christian college) for approximately equal price. How much does having a better academic name on your resume matter?
Depends on what you want to do and where you want to do it. If you're interested in becoming a youth pastor, Calvin College would look great and potentially open doors. If you want to move eight states away after graduating and work in sales or marketing or finance, Michigan is going to get you more interviews. If you're great at networking it shouldn't matter very much, but if you're planning to move farther away, the bigger name will get you more meetings (that doesn't necessarily mean more jobs but it is a factor).
Brooke any update on the “Math” act prep book?
Yeah, working on it. We finally found a full time person to help with formatting/publishing elements. We are planning to send the first of the three for proofs from the printers in the next few weeks. They'll be released as a set, though (3 books), so we have 2 more to work through. I would guess summer at the latest. For now, most of the problem sets are part of our online course, and updates will hit there first.
I would bet that these studies showing higher ROI for engineering majors, let’s say, than for English or Political Science majors are focusing on starting salary alone. Of course, all things being equal, a person with a bachelors degree in (for example) mechanical engineering will get a higher paying “right out of college” job than someone with a bachelors degree in History. But, many very smart liberal arts majors go on to earn an MBA, a law degree, or both and end up managing the engineers.
I seriously doubt I'm gonna get into a top school, so I hope this is true🙏🏻
Nice Video!!
Thank you, Anoop!
Harvey Mudd is an elite college so I don't understand that part of the video.
ahhh this is making me think twice about going to USC 😅
If you want to go, GO! :)
Excellent
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I love you so much brooke tbh you've helped a lot in this whole college process
The more the job market is flooded with people with college degrees, the less valuable they become due to the laws of supply and demand.
The De Beers diamond company hoards diamonds and create artificial scarcity for this very reason. The more the market is flooded with diamonds, the less valuable they become in the diamond market due to the laws of supply and demand.
4:30 they may have fared just as well in life because they had generational assets as safety nets or advantages, hence the racial disparity. That’s a policy outcome, not an indicator of student performance at any college, elite or not
saving this one for april
Showing this to my parents brb
ell this makes me feel a lot better
Lol I'm in my late 20's,married, baby on the way, and in Community College. Wish I could get into a top school.
Why?
Kurt Vonfricken you can just put in the work and don’t give up
Good planning.
@@roberthenry9319 I'm a disabled vet, of course this wasn't planned.
You know UCLA is like top 20
It isnt to forget that hopefully most students dont apply to elite Universities to have the best salary but to make a change in the world. (It sounds utopian but facebook was a change in the world too. )
Facebook went into business the day "Life Log" shut down. Facebook is an intelligence gathering service for the CIA. Mark Zuckerberg is a Rothschild. This is all easily googled. People starting billion dollar businesses out of their garages with no experience is a myth perpetrated by the Intelligence Agencies.
Brilliant advice from a sugar cookie.
This is very true
I hated how she used “but otherwise” when talking about inequities affecting people of color. To me it implied that her videos are meant for white people and others who benefit from some form of privilege and it’s okay because they won’t have to worry about that. It’s not a huge deal but I have noticed that that rhetoric can be what discourages students and color and perpetuates an arrogant mindset. Just saying that someone like her who produces these videos and is supposed to be an expert at assisting students should ensure that her language is inclusive as possible. (Lol that’s my hot take -Racist ppl swerve, it’s important that comments like these are brought up and apart of everyday discussion:))
Gen Whitlock shut up
-random mexican
Gen Whitlock shut up
- random white dude
Gen Whitlock, shut up.
-Random brown person
Please make a video about international students and I'll subscribe
Love your videos.
Thank ya much!
I always remember how Clarance Thomas hates Yale, and chuckle.
Clarence Thomas hates everything.
If top colleges are overrated, why are presidents and US Supreme Court Justices come from Ivy Leagues?
@Monika Bogacka exactly look at their backgrounds 99% grew up from millionaire households
Stonybrook seems like a sleeper great school...
Its not colorado college school of the mines. Just colorado school of mines
I cringed hard when I heard her
Ethan McFarlin glad i wasn't the only one haha
Harvey mudd - Real world application
So does this mean i should drop out of MIT.
No
6:16 MIT is 4th and much better than all of these colleges
I’m going to a early college high school
Mary Virgo Ayyy me too. Ours is middle college high school but probably the same thing
Or, you could go to a late high school college.
Video starts from 2:15