Great overview of MOCA. Two additional details: 1. The splitter must be capable of the sending the MOCA signal. Specifically, the splitter must be capable of sending the signal at 1650MHz then you are good to go. 2. Put caps on the unused splitter ports and/or on the ends of cable runs and there will less need for a powered splitter. Also, putting caps on will also make tracing cables more reliable. A powered splitter is not necessary if you limit/reduce signal loss by using the caps. Note that these are not fancy capacitors - they are just physical caps.
Good Tips. I am definately not a moca expert, and was just sharing my experience on how to retrofit a home to get people's wheels turning. I appreciate your comments!
MoCa adapters do work when you have cable service at home, Cable TV, and the Cable Modems use a different frequency then what MoCa uses, However some of the cable modems operate on DOCSIS 3.1 which operates on the same frequency range of MoCa adapters, So you would need to change some settings on the MoCa adapters to use a different band and frequency.
Thanks for sharing to the group. The Mocas I had don't have any way to configure them. Is there an adapter that you would recommend that does have this ability?
@@ethernetblueprint The MoCa adapters can be configured, If you have the manual for the ones you are using, They have instructions on how to access the UI in them, They require some changes to your PC's IP address in order to access the UI, The manual should also mention the login and password to log into them, Once you get into the UI, You can actually change the IP address in them so that you will be able to access them again without needing to always change the IP on your PC, The user manual for Hitron and ScreenBeam should have the instructions on how to access their UI.
@@ethernetblueprint also MoCa has pretty always been able to support tv and internet on the lines since version 2.0. Perhaps your devices are actually EoC aka Ethernet Over Coax or older MoCa. Those deffiantly dont play with tv or internet on the lines and have to be "dark" coax as you said in the video
I'm old enough to remember when we used to coax as the main way of doing ethernet, thick coax for the backbone, and thin coax to the offices! I still have some coax adapters and a hub.
The MOCA filter at the point of entry should stop any external MOCA signal from entering the house, and also block the generated MOCA signal from leaving your house as well.. this was important to avoid putting your data out to the neighborhood. I have used them, they work just fine…. Also some of the cable equipment used to use MOCA, if that’s the case, your screwed, you won’t be able to use it for Ethernet data drops.
I am glad this video has sparked so much conversation... Maybe MOCA was used in the home by the cable equipment in our case... because I had the point of entry filter installed and the second outage still happened. Either way, lesson learned and people should be careful before proceeding if they have cable services. There is no guarantee that the POE Filter will save the day...
you can use RF modulators to send legacy composite video + stereo audio over these in the form of NTSC TV channels without interfering with these units. it's a good way to set up a one-wire CCTV system, and all you need is a tv with a basic analog tuner to view the video channels. even when i still had cable, that's how i managed all my cameras and "casted" my PC and VCR to all the televisions in my house that way.
I have Cox cable at home, I use this Antronix MVRAM502B which is MOCA amplifier (moca filter built in) at point of entry so this works very well even moca without issue. This is my best solution for moca use. Did you know that Cox rental panoramic wifi modem does have moca built in? They does! However it keeps turn off every day I think so it’s not worth it. Better use moca hardware it’s better than sorry. Even I helped my friends to use similar setup as mine for Mediacom cable where his rental router is Hitron router/modem combo has moca so I set him up Hitron wifi extender (with moca built in) and it worked for them and they getting same speed. Like everyone advice is always put moca filter or moca amplifier or moca splitter on point of entry as before enter house so it won’t interfere with neighborhood when plugged in and using.
When I upgraded my Verizon FiOS 100/100M service to 1/1G, they had to swap out the ONT in the basement while the router in my office stayed as-is. That meant I could no longer use coax (RG6) to link them and it required CAT5 or better ethernet. Since I hd no way to run it between the locations, I got a pair of 2.5Gbps capable ScreenBeam MoCA 2.5 adapters to perform as media converters... one at the new ONT and one at the router on that dedicated coax cable between them. Works flawlessly. Keep in mind that older coax set-top boxes and the cable provider's router typically already have MoCA built-in... that is how programming info/control is relayed. (BTW... I canceled my TV service and no longer needed the coax attached set-top boxes and replaced my Verizon router with a Firewalla Gold - a real router/firewall with VLAN & VPN capabilities)
Some incorrect information in the Video.. I have Xfinity with a rented modem and it has MOCA access built in. Just log into the ADMIN portal and toggle the Moca option. It only supports moca 2.0 so only 1 G speeds
That is good to know. I didn't know what ISPs offered that so I didn't want to cover it in the video. If users have that as an option, it sounds like it could be a decent option... Although one of my other commenters said his ISP moca was unstable and turned off all the time... so, it may be a case by case.
Great video!! Not sure why you started off using the amplifier. Strange that your system crashed your neighbors systems. Maybe the Cox router does not like it when a foreign moca router is on the system or it tried to hook up to other external mochas. I use the gocoax moca adapters with a oneway filter on Ziggio network on the Netherlands and the moca works great. Finally, I noticed that you are using a Poe switch. You may consider using POE splitter to power your moca adapter. This would eliminate one power cord. Thanks again for the informative video
Thanks... I based all my content off my personal experience and have found the amplifier works well. Cox is famous for doing things weird, so I'm sure it was something on their end. I think its important to share those stories because for every success story like yours, there are many that don't go that great. I don't want to give people a false sense of "this is so easy" when I know personally, it doesn't always go well. I have never heard of POE Mocas... That is amazing. I will definately be googling those and looking into them more. Awesome tip. Thanks for watching and sharing!
If your ISP offers the XB Series modem (XB 6, 7, 8), a MOCA transceiver is built in and can be activated by logging into the modem, a MOCA filter would be required at the main entry point to prevent that signal from going to the cable tv network, a home RF splitter that supports over 1GHz can be used to distribute the MOCA signal within the home environment to the individual adaptors.
Running MOCA here with Ubiquiti to reach part of the house. If you want a good laugh, look at the venerable - as in ALWAYS broken - Ubiquiti topology map after adding multi-drop MOCA. It is funnier than “AI” hallucinating. lol. 😂
@@ethernetblueprint it just makes up whatever it thinks is plugged into each other when you're on a shared broadcast medium like MOCA... and they "move around" randomly... hahaha...
Slightly confused. If my house has a coax coming out of the ONT that goes into a splitter, that then splits into the coax that goes through the walls, I can just use those and not have to worry about making new cables correct?
Thank you for your awesome videos. My setup for my home is I have 4 eeros for my wifi. (1 eero hardwired to my modem, the other 3 spread throughout the house not hardwired.) I also have ethernet cable at several TV locations hooked to 4 port switches. I want to replace the eero's with ubquiti for more control. What AP's would you recommend? P.S. My current wifi coverage is fine just want more control then eero offers.
Will these APs be sitting on furniture our mounted somewhere? Will you need to use POE injectors for them or will they be powered via POE from a switch?
If you don't have a need to plug other equipment into your Unifi APs, look at the U6 Mesh AP. They work great to just sit on furniture, but only have a single port on them ... Also the U7 Pro Wall has a furniture stand which would work as well. If you need additional ports for other devices. Look at the U6 In-wall that has a small managed switch on the bottom.
@@ethernetblueprint Could i combine a U6 Pro in the basement ceiling & the U6 in-wall for near my upstairs TV's?? (I currently have a switch at both my upstairs TV's for streaming & xbox) Thanks for the info
The amplifier can never have any impact. It is a one-way amplification, while ethernet is bidirectional. Also not sure if the MOCA frequency spectrum is even within the amp’s specs?
The biggest problem with running multiple MOCA adapters through a splitter is that the MOCA part of the network starts acting like on old Ethernet hub. So you get signal degradation because of 'packet' collision. I have found that making multiple MOCA runs is best done with isolated coax cables and MOCA adapters on each end of each coax run. Then the network retains true 'switching' functionality, because each MOCA adapter at the source will plug into its own ethernet port on a switch.
That was odd that the Point of Entry filter did not work with your customer and the Cox service. I have some Moca adapters and a filter at the demarc at my house and my neighbor on the same connection pedestal has no issues. Perhaps Cox had some odd equipment in that area that had overlapping frequencies with the devices you are using. Might be worth some technical deep diving for future customers. Moca is so useful since so many older houses have coax, especially on the 1st floor of a 2 story house where it is hard to run ethernet.
I'm not sure why the filter didn't work either... Maybe it was the Moca adapters I was using. Heck, maybe I got a bad filter... Either way, I think it is good to have all this commentary on the subject so people are careful when installing these in their homes. Sometimes things don't go as planned.
Keep in mind also that many people claim to have problems getting it to work. That may have been caused by a number of things. Maybe they had two different brands and one doesn't play well with the other.
Yeah... this video cause quite a stir... lots of comments with people sharing their stories or correcting me in them. I think the overall solution does work, but it does depend on what parts you use and your specific wiring.
Thanks for sharing! The ones I used do both TV and data... They just didn't play well with Cox's TV network, even with the POE filter for whatever reason.
It's very odd that you had leakage even with the moca filter. You absolutely should not need 'dark' coax for this to work. I've created quite a few MoCA+DOCSIS3.1 networks without any serious issues. It sounds like some your adapters are defective, or the filters are cheap/broken/fake. Just bizarre. I've only used GoCoax gigbit and 2.5 adapters. Not sure what is going on with your equipment but you can absolutely use the same coax connection in the wall to connect to your router, and a MoCa adapter. Many of them have a splitter/filter built in, and you can also just use any splitter as well. On one install, I used an additional moca filter between my modem and the rest of the coax network, on top of the barrier filter. That being said, it really is best to isolate your MoCa network from the modem/TVs. I've absolutely seen some conflicts and speed/reliability issues in the past with certain modems and certain MoCa adapters. Depending on your needs, you can have each run of coax independent (IE don't combine all coax for the whole house together.) Some people don't realize that even the fastest adapters are sharing roughly 2.5gbps total throughput between all the adapters. Not always that economical though if you're hooking up a bunch of rooms. Wherever possible, treat each run independent with only two adapters, and you can get way more than 2.5gbps total bandwidth in your house.
Appreciate the comment. Maybe it was my equipment. If nothing else, I was just hoping to create awareness that stuff can happen. MANY comments on here share your point and that you don't "need" dark coax for this to work and I either had defective parts or didn't know what I was doing... Either way, I am glad you shared what you use and appreciate you taking the time to help the viewers!
@ethernetblueprint yep and I still do actually recommend using dark runs, with as few moca adapters connected as possible. After all it's just shared rf spectrum. If one could install a switch near their coax junction box, just imagine the possibilities. Depends on the throughput needs, and budget, of course.
Our coax terminates outside in the ugly gray box. If we disconnect the line coming from the cable company, do we even need this device installed outside? (We do not use cable services.)
If you have internet in the home via dsl or something other than Coax, then you should be able to disconnect that line from the cable company and possibly use the splitter that is already the box to distribute the signal to the other areas of the home.
When you said at the beginning of the video you were doing speed tests, I expected full-line speed tests. I can run Ethernet in my house, but for fun, I wanted to run MOCA to the guest bedroom rather than dropping cable through the wall from the attic. If I knew I was only gonna get your 140Mbps Internet connection, I wouldn't have watched. It didn't give me the info on if this would be a fun toy or not.
I'm sorry I couldn't do the proper speed tests, but I have tested them in the past and usually get around 800Mb to 1Gb with them... I just don't pay for those internet speeds in my home and I have my iPerf server stashed at the moment.
@@ethernetblueprint For ipref, you can run it in Windows too. That's how I test the connection speed to my NAS. I like to test local speeds because that's what I'd use. If they can do gigabit speeds, that's great! This is also an option I'd like to look into when I move because none of these houses have Ethernet no matter how much you spend! Sure, I can add it, but not day 1. Not sure how soon I'd move after buying nor how many months I'd wanna spend trying to get Ethernet in there either. I wired up my whole house with Ethernet easy. You go through the garage and into the attic for upstairs and around the edges of the basement for the ground floor. My dad's been wiring it in his houses since the 90s. I don't understand why it's not more common. Wi-Fi's never been good, and it's only recently gotten better yet broadband Internet's been a thing since the very early 2000s. Not sure what's going on with that.
Thanks... I have a windows computer that I run it on and that is what is packed away... my basement is a construction zone right now and that is currently where my lab is... I know for a fact they can do gigabit though... I will make it a point to do some Moca iperf testing soon... I can see that I should have included that in my video... I will dig out the PC and test... I have been helping my buddy get ethernet in his house... it hasn't been too bad, but that is because we know what we are doing... to the everyday person, this could be quite a task... and all houses have unique challenges. I have always thought it would be a good business to have a small team lined up to do this for people.
@@ethernetblueprint I agree. Lots of people could use Ethernet and PoE. All it takes is a company willing to advertise their services and provide it cheaply enough for the everyday homeowner to see the value. But just like streaming, people are very into Wi-Fi right now. I'm not sure how many people would be into whole-home Ethernet. I am, but I also do it myself; although, when I move, I'd rather just pay someone to setup all the drops. I can crimp the cables myself to save on costs.
Question. My scenario is that I have one coax cable coming into my basement, where it goes into the modem/router. Can I completely eliminate the modem/router from the equation and plug the coax into the moca adapter then to my UniFi cloud gateway? Thanks
No, you still need the modem/router, but you would just need to find the line that feeds the internet to the house and make sure that it alone is plugged into your modem/router... no other splitters... And that your router was moved to the location where all your coax cables are in the home. (You're in the "gotcha" scenario I described) Once you isolate that line from the rest of them, then all of your other cables can be used to convert the cables to network cables. That scenario will work for this.
@@ethernetblueprintif you slip the signal or amplify the signal of a ISP coax network you can cause your modem to not be able to communicate properly. If you are not using a coax ISP and only using your in home coax for moca this is fine. A moca filter will also block all moca frequencies from leaving your residence and needs to be placed at the dmarc. .most coax amps amplifier 12 to 15.db which is amot without knowing what the signal is coming into the house
The correct way to make all those cables in your splitter is to call your cable service provider, get their free trial (which comes with free installation). They will upgrade everything for you, then you cancel after the free month. PROBLEM SOLVED! :D And you have a professional do the work for you! I'm joking.
IMO, Speed isn't the only benefit to this stuff... visibility, control, Easy Management, Remote access, alerting... all play a factor when looking at something nicer like this. If you're basing that off of my speeds, I had Gb networking with Cox, but refuse to pay $160/mo just for 1Gb internet with unlimited data. Verizon is $25/month and all my stuff works and its unlimited data. Now, that being said, we have a new fiber provider coming into the neighborhood and I plan on trying them out and using the verizon as my backup... which this equipment can do. Not sure if that was directed at me, but wanted to share my 2 cents for my situation.
Great overview of MOCA. Two additional details:
1. The splitter must be capable of the sending the MOCA signal. Specifically, the splitter must be capable of sending the signal at 1650MHz then you are good to go.
2. Put caps on the unused splitter ports and/or on the ends of cable runs and there will less need for a powered splitter. Also, putting caps on will also make tracing cables more reliable. A powered splitter is not necessary if you limit/reduce signal loss by using the caps. Note that these are not fancy capacitors - they are just physical caps.
Good Tips. I am definately not a moca expert, and was just sharing my experience on how to retrofit a home to get people's wheels turning. I appreciate your comments!
MoCa adapters do work when you have cable service at home, Cable TV, and the Cable Modems use a different frequency then what MoCa uses, However some of the cable modems operate on DOCSIS 3.1 which operates on the same frequency range of MoCa adapters, So you would need to change some settings on the MoCa adapters to use a different band and frequency.
Thanks for sharing to the group. The Mocas I had don't have any way to configure them. Is there an adapter that you would recommend that does have this ability?
@@ethernetblueprint The MoCa adapters can be configured, If you have the manual for the ones you are using, They have instructions on how to access the UI in them, They require some changes to your PC's IP address in order to access the UI, The manual should also mention the login and password to log into them, Once you get into the UI, You can actually change the IP address in them so that you will be able to access them again without needing to always change the IP on your PC, The user manual for Hitron and ScreenBeam should have the instructions on how to access their UI.
@@ethernetblueprintthey do, they can be accessed through LAN IP address and you login, change default password for security and do your changes
@@ethernetblueprint any newer MoCa 2.4 adapter, actiontec is a good brand although pricey
@@ethernetblueprint also MoCa has pretty always been able to support tv and internet on the lines since version 2.0. Perhaps your devices are actually EoC aka Ethernet Over Coax or older MoCa. Those deffiantly dont play with tv or internet on the lines and have to be "dark" coax as you said in the video
I'm old enough to remember when we used to coax as the main way of doing ethernet, thick coax for the backbone, and thin coax to the offices! I still have some coax adapters and a hub.
Ha! We have come a long way, but it just goes to show you that some of the old school methods can still work.
The MOCA filter at the point of entry should stop any external MOCA signal from entering the house, and also block the generated MOCA signal from leaving your house as well.. this was important to avoid putting your data out to the neighborhood. I have used them, they work just fine…. Also some of the cable equipment used to use MOCA, if that’s the case, your screwed, you won’t be able to use it for Ethernet data drops.
I am glad this video has sparked so much conversation... Maybe MOCA was used in the home by the cable equipment in our case... because I had the point of entry filter installed and the second outage still happened. Either way, lesson learned and people should be careful before proceeding if they have cable services. There is no guarantee that the POE Filter will save the day...
you can use RF modulators to send legacy composite video + stereo audio over these in the form of NTSC TV channels without interfering with these units. it's a good way to set up a one-wire CCTV system, and all you need is a tv with a basic analog tuner to view the video channels. even when i still had cable, that's how i managed all my cameras and "casted" my PC and VCR to all the televisions in my house that way.
Lots of moca experts out there much smarter than me. Thanks for sharing!
Really hope ubiquity makes a set of these managed by their system that would be really cool and really useful
Hell yeah! I have been saying for years that Moca needs to be redesigned.
Awesome video sir !
Thank you.... Hope it helps you in some way!
I have Cox cable at home, I use this Antronix MVRAM502B which is MOCA amplifier (moca filter built in) at point of entry so this works very well even moca without issue. This is my best solution for moca use. Did you know that Cox rental panoramic wifi modem does have moca built in? They does! However it keeps turn off every day I think so it’s not worth it. Better use moca hardware it’s better than sorry. Even I helped my friends to use similar setup as mine for Mediacom cable where his rental router is Hitron router/modem combo has moca so I set him up Hitron wifi extender (with moca built in) and it worked for them and they getting same speed. Like everyone advice is always put moca filter or moca amplifier or moca splitter on point of entry as before enter house so it won’t interfere with neighborhood when plugged in and using.
Thanks for sharing that... and the models you used. Hopefully it helps someone who has Cox and wants to do this. Really appreciate the comment!
@ Anytime! Also full Ubiquiti Unifi gear at home so love it so far!
I'll be glad when they release MOCA 3.0 which will capable of speeds 10gbs
That will be amazing...
When I upgraded my Verizon FiOS 100/100M service to 1/1G, they had to swap out the ONT in the basement while the router in my office stayed as-is. That meant I could no longer use coax (RG6) to link them and it required CAT5 or better ethernet. Since I hd no way to run it between the locations, I got a pair of 2.5Gbps capable ScreenBeam MoCA 2.5 adapters to perform as media converters... one at the new ONT and one at the router on that dedicated coax cable between them. Works flawlessly. Keep in mind that older coax set-top boxes and the cable provider's router typically already have MoCA built-in... that is how programming info/control is relayed.
(BTW... I canceled my TV service and no longer needed the coax attached set-top boxes and replaced my Verizon router with a Firewalla Gold - a real router/firewall with VLAN & VPN capabilities)
Very nice. Thanks for sharing. Glad it worked out in your case. I plan on doing some Firewalla videos soon. I like their products.
Some incorrect information in the Video.. I have Xfinity with a rented modem and it has MOCA access built in. Just log into the ADMIN portal and toggle the Moca option. It only supports moca 2.0 so only 1 G speeds
That is good to know. I didn't know what ISPs offered that so I didn't want to cover it in the video. If users have that as an option, it sounds like it could be a decent option... Although one of my other commenters said his ISP moca was unstable and turned off all the time... so, it may be a case by case.
Are you referring to Rogers Xfinity cable isp in canada?
Great video!! Not sure why you started off using the amplifier. Strange that your system crashed your neighbors systems. Maybe the Cox router does not like it when a foreign moca router is on the system or it tried to hook up to other external mochas.
I use the gocoax moca adapters with a oneway filter on Ziggio network on the Netherlands and the moca works great.
Finally, I noticed that you are using a Poe switch. You may consider using POE splitter to power your moca adapter. This would eliminate one power cord.
Thanks again for the informative video
Thanks... I based all my content off my personal experience and have found the amplifier works well. Cox is famous for doing things weird, so I'm sure it was something on their end. I think its important to share those stories because for every success story like yours, there are many that don't go that great. I don't want to give people a false sense of "this is so easy" when I know personally, it doesn't always go well.
I have never heard of POE Mocas... That is amazing. I will definately be googling those and looking into them more. Awesome tip. Thanks for watching and sharing!
@joegomez58007. I also use GoCoax MoCA adapters 2.5, there are fantastic. I have tried others and there where always problems with them.
If your ISP offers the XB Series modem (XB 6, 7, 8), a MOCA transceiver is built in and can be activated by logging into the modem, a MOCA filter would be required at the main entry point to prevent that signal from going to the cable tv network, a home RF splitter that supports over 1GHz can be used to distribute the MOCA signal within the home environment to the individual adaptors.
Lots of great comments like this on this video. Thanks for sharing!
Running MOCA here with Ubiquiti to reach part of the house. If you want a good laugh, look at the venerable - as in ALWAYS broken - Ubiquiti topology map after adding multi-drop MOCA. It is funnier than “AI” hallucinating. lol. 😂
I never even thought to look at that... pretty crazy huh?
@@ethernetblueprint it just makes up whatever it thinks is plugged into each other when you're on a shared broadcast medium like MOCA... and they "move around" randomly... hahaha...
What stand are you using for the Ubiquity In-wall WiFi at 27:55?! I need TWO!!!!
Hahah. I designed those and 3D printed them. I could get you a couple though.
@ethernetblueprint, shut up and take my money!! 😁
Lol. Email me at tim@ethernetblueprint.com and I can mail you a couple.
Slightly confused. If my house has a coax coming out of the ONT that goes into a splitter, that then splits into the coax that goes through the walls, I can just use those and not have to worry about making new cables correct?
This is totally possible without making cables, yes.
Thank you for your awesome videos. My setup for my home is I have 4 eeros for my wifi. (1 eero hardwired to my modem, the other 3 spread throughout the house not hardwired.) I also have ethernet cable at several TV locations hooked to 4 port switches. I want to replace the eero's with ubquiti for more control. What AP's would you recommend? P.S. My current wifi coverage is fine just want more control then eero offers.
Will these APs be sitting on furniture our mounted somewhere? Will you need to use POE injectors for them or will they be powered via POE from a switch?
@@ethernetblueprint Hopefully I can power by POE. Currently the eero are just on furniture.
If you don't have a need to plug other equipment into your Unifi APs, look at the U6 Mesh AP. They work great to just sit on furniture, but only have a single port on them ... Also the U7 Pro Wall has a furniture stand which would work as well.
If you need additional ports for other devices. Look at the U6 In-wall that has a small managed switch on the bottom.
@@ethernetblueprint Could i combine a U6 Pro in the basement ceiling & the U6 in-wall for near my upstairs TV's?? (I currently have a switch at both my upstairs TV's for streaming & xbox) Thanks for the info
The amplifier can never have any impact. It is a one-way amplification, while ethernet is bidirectional. Also not sure if the MOCA frequency spectrum is even within the amp’s specs?
I guess I don't know. I have just always used them and had better results.
Are there no PoE powered MOCA adaptors? That seems to be a logical choice.
I agree. I havent seen any, but they may exist.
The biggest problem with running multiple MOCA adapters through a splitter is that the MOCA part of the network starts acting like on old Ethernet hub. So you get signal degradation because of 'packet' collision. I have found that making multiple MOCA runs is best done with isolated coax cables and MOCA adapters on each end of each coax run. Then the network retains true 'switching' functionality, because each MOCA adapter at the source will plug into its own ethernet port on a switch.
That is a fair callout. Isolating that moca traffic would be the cleanest way to ensure no collisions.
That was odd that the Point of Entry filter did not work with your customer and the Cox service. I have some Moca adapters and a filter at the demarc at my house and my neighbor on the same connection pedestal has no issues. Perhaps Cox had some odd equipment in that area that had overlapping frequencies with the devices you are using. Might be worth some technical deep diving for future customers. Moca is so useful since so many older houses have coax, especially on the 1st floor of a 2 story house where it is hard to run ethernet.
They didn't have a PoE filter if there was MoCA leakage.
I'm not sure why the filter didn't work either... Maybe it was the Moca adapters I was using. Heck, maybe I got a bad filter... Either way, I think it is good to have all this commentary on the subject so people are careful when installing these in their homes. Sometimes things don't go as planned.
Keep in mind also that many people claim to have problems getting it to work. That may have been caused by a number of things. Maybe they had two different brands and one doesn't play well with the other.
Yeah... this video cause quite a stir... lots of comments with people sharing their stories or correcting me in them. I think the overall solution does work, but it does depend on what parts you use and your specific wiring.
Triax make adapters that can do both TV and data
Thanks for sharing! The ones I used do both TV and data... They just didn't play well with Cox's TV network, even with the POE filter for whatever reason.
It's very odd that you had leakage even with the moca filter. You absolutely should not need 'dark' coax for this to work. I've created quite a few MoCA+DOCSIS3.1 networks without any serious issues. It sounds like some your adapters are defective, or the filters are cheap/broken/fake. Just bizarre. I've only used GoCoax gigbit and 2.5 adapters. Not sure what is going on with your equipment but you can absolutely use the same coax connection in the wall to connect to your router, and a MoCa adapter. Many of them have a splitter/filter built in, and you can also just use any splitter as well. On one install, I used an additional moca filter between my modem and the rest of the coax network, on top of the barrier filter.
That being said, it really is best to isolate your MoCa network from the modem/TVs. I've absolutely seen some conflicts and speed/reliability issues in the past with certain modems and certain MoCa adapters. Depending on your needs, you can have each run of coax independent (IE don't combine all coax for the whole house together.) Some people don't realize that even the fastest adapters are sharing roughly 2.5gbps total throughput between all the adapters. Not always that economical though if you're hooking up a bunch of rooms. Wherever possible, treat each run independent with only two adapters, and you can get way more than 2.5gbps total bandwidth in your house.
Appreciate the comment. Maybe it was my equipment. If nothing else, I was just hoping to create awareness that stuff can happen. MANY comments on here share your point and that you don't "need" dark coax for this to work and I either had defective parts or didn't know what I was doing... Either way, I am glad you shared what you use and appreciate you taking the time to help the viewers!
@ethernetblueprint yep and I still do actually recommend using dark runs, with as few moca adapters connected as possible. After all it's just shared rf spectrum. If one could install a switch near their coax junction box, just imagine the possibilities. Depends on the throughput needs, and budget, of course.
Moca is terrific, but you have more latency with Moca vs Ethernet.
Yes, but way less than WiFi mesh in most cases... Thanks for watching!
Our coax terminates outside in the ugly gray box. If we disconnect the line coming from the cable company, do we even need this device installed outside? (We do not use cable services.)
If you have internet in the home via dsl or something other than Coax, then you should be able to disconnect that line from the cable company and possibly use the splitter that is already the box to distribute the signal to the other areas of the home.
When you said at the beginning of the video you were doing speed tests, I expected full-line speed tests. I can run Ethernet in my house, but for fun, I wanted to run MOCA to the guest bedroom rather than dropping cable through the wall from the attic. If I knew I was only gonna get your 140Mbps Internet connection, I wouldn't have watched. It didn't give me the info on if this would be a fun toy or not.
I'm sorry I couldn't do the proper speed tests, but I have tested them in the past and usually get around 800Mb to 1Gb with them... I just don't pay for those internet speeds in my home and I have my iPerf server stashed at the moment.
@@ethernetblueprint For ipref, you can run it in Windows too. That's how I test the connection speed to my NAS. I like to test local speeds because that's what I'd use.
If they can do gigabit speeds, that's great!
This is also an option I'd like to look into when I move because none of these houses have Ethernet no matter how much you spend! Sure, I can add it, but not day 1. Not sure how soon I'd move after buying nor how many months I'd wanna spend trying to get Ethernet in there either.
I wired up my whole house with Ethernet easy. You go through the garage and into the attic for upstairs and around the edges of the basement for the ground floor. My dad's been wiring it in his houses since the 90s. I don't understand why it's not more common. Wi-Fi's never been good, and it's only recently gotten better yet broadband Internet's been a thing since the very early 2000s. Not sure what's going on with that.
Thanks... I have a windows computer that I run it on and that is what is packed away... my basement is a construction zone right now and that is currently where my lab is... I know for a fact they can do gigabit though... I will make it a point to do some Moca iperf testing soon... I can see that I should have included that in my video... I will dig out the PC and test...
I have been helping my buddy get ethernet in his house... it hasn't been too bad, but that is because we know what we are doing... to the everyday person, this could be quite a task... and all houses have unique challenges. I have always thought it would be a good business to have a small team lined up to do this for people.
@@ethernetblueprint I agree. Lots of people could use Ethernet and PoE. All it takes is a company willing to advertise their services and provide it cheaply enough for the everyday homeowner to see the value.
But just like streaming, people are very into Wi-Fi right now. I'm not sure how many people would be into whole-home Ethernet. I am, but I also do it myself; although, when I move, I'd rather just pay someone to setup all the drops. I can crimp the cables myself to save on costs.
Question. My scenario is that I have one coax cable coming into my basement, where it goes into the modem/router. Can I completely eliminate the modem/router from the equation and plug the coax into the moca adapter then to my UniFi cloud gateway? Thanks
You still need to have the modem to make the connection to the ISP. The Cloud Gateway would act as your router for your internal network.
No, you still need the modem/router, but you would just need to find the line that feeds the internet to the house and make sure that it alone is plugged into your modem/router... no other splitters... And that your router was moved to the location where all your coax cables are in the home. (You're in the "gotcha" scenario I described)
Once you isolate that line from the rest of them, then all of your other cables can be used to convert the cables to network cables. That scenario will work for this.
You don't know what your talking about. That splitter can jack your system all up
Appreciate the input. Just basing it on personal experience. Have never had a an issue.
@@ethernetblueprintif you slip the signal or amplify the signal of a ISP coax network you can cause your modem to not be able to communicate properly. If you are not using a coax ISP and only using your in home coax for moca this is fine. A moca filter will also block all moca frequencies from leaving your residence and needs to be placed at the dmarc. .most coax amps amplifier 12 to 15.db which is amot without knowing what the signal is coming into the house
Just running an ethernet cable would have been better and cheaper.
That is always the preference. However, sometimes that isn't possible. Its all situational.
@@ethernetblueprint You can always put them near the ceilings.
It's also less complicated. Less complicated is always better.
The correct way to make all those cables in your splitter is to call your cable service provider, get their free trial (which comes with free installation). They will upgrade everything for you, then you cancel after the free month. PROBLEM SOLVED! :D And you have a professional do the work for you!
I'm joking.
That is hilarious... work smarter not harder. I like it!
How can you justify spending more money on networking when you have such a low speed connection?
IMO, Speed isn't the only benefit to this stuff... visibility, control, Easy Management, Remote access, alerting... all play a factor when looking at something nicer like this.
If you're basing that off of my speeds, I had Gb networking with Cox, but refuse to pay $160/mo just for 1Gb internet with unlimited data. Verizon is $25/month and all my stuff works and its unlimited data. Now, that being said, we have a new fiber provider coming into the neighborhood and I plan on trying them out and using the verizon as my backup... which this equipment can do. Not sure if that was directed at me, but wanted to share my 2 cents for my situation.