Still on the intel. For regular tasks it feels snappy still. It is loud and hot though and I’m seeing a lot of blocked tasks these days. And the battery drains fast in standby. Might do a reinstall. I would upgrade mainly because of the screen and thermal performance.
since it's using the old 60Hz screen, I'd even say just selling the old macbook and getting a 15 inch air for cheap is a good upgrade unless you have a higher end spec on the old intel macbook. You'd get twice or three times the battery life and more than twice the performance in every task right. While there's still some value retention on these old machines i'd just get rid of it.
Hello. I currently own and use that same Intel MBP. I am looking to buy an M4 MacBook Pro with the base M4 chip. This video is EXACTLY the comparison for me. If I didn't know better I would think you are listening to me personally to make this video. Thank you very much for this comparison. I think this is going to be the biggest single upgrade gap I have ever experinced
@@satg5733 I want the plain M4. I have no need for the power of the Pro. Even the M4 itself is overkill for what I want most of the time. I really want the 24 hours of battery though which you do not get with the pro chip
I'm 13 seconds in this video, on the M4 Base, got it for under $1600 out the door on amazon literally 3 hrs ago...coming from a 2014 MBP...this is the most insanely snappy and amazing thing...I was torn watching reviewers try to get me to spend another $600 just for gaming...buy a PS5 or 6 with that $...just buy it if you've been waiting to pull the trigger like me. Amazon has returns until Jan 15, get the base and see if you need more.
Thanks, Jerry. That is an excellent summary. This is what I have seen first-hand. Last week, I jumped from an i9 Intel Macbook Pro to a Pro Max M4. The changes to my Dev (AI & Docker Hosting) & Video work are remarkable. I am not a pro on either front, but my general productivity has gained significantly with the move. Thanks for not assuming we are all M1 users considering the upgrade. Apple's build quality often ensures 4-5 years of ownership, not to mention the expense of getting payback.
The only reason why I upgraded to an M3 was because my Intel Mac would not connect to an external display without getting super hot and slow after an hour plus the fan constantly running
Your math is incorrect. All of your percentages are way off. For example, with your first comparison the single-core is 265% faster and the multi-core is 263% faster. Whatever equation you are using to determine your percentages, needs to be corrected.
No, it does sound odd, but he said it right. Single core performance of the M4 is 265% compared to the Intel version, which is 100%. So the math is indeed correct and the difference is 165%, so that how much faster the M4 is. Still, I would have said "about 2.5 times faster" instead of the percentages, which are more fitting to use when the difference is not that huge (e.g. less than double). Update: at 3:53 the Geekbench score is not 78% faster, but 117% faster, so that is actually an error.
@Toglander sorry but you should correct your math. Imagine you go from 100 to 150 points. That’s a 50% increase. Now imagine you go from 100 to 250 points. That’s a 150% increase and not 250% increase. So a 3-times increase is an increase of 200%.
Thanks for this review Jerry. I just sold my i9 16” 2019 MBP 2 weeks ago in prep for the M4 Pro 14/20. Can I ask a question seeing as you were comparing with the 14” size? What are your thoughts about stepping down to 14”? I do use it for photo editing and don’t carry it around much, but I did find the 16” a bit large. Thanks! 🙏
Honestly? My old Intel 16-inch MacBook Pro still runs like a champ doing light tasks, it only struggles sometimes with pro workloads. I've been wondering if it's a better idea to wait for and buy the M4 Ultra Mac Studio and keep the Intel MacBook Pro as a light tasks/TH-cam machine?
2018 MBP i7 2.8GGhz 6 core, still not terrible for TH-cam watching and day to day tasks. Definitely going to get a M4 Pro or maybe Max. Feel I got good use out of intel one. Keyboard is barely working on it, butterfly keyboard, I've worn out the command key, it is now white. It runs hot. Mine is a 15 inch so screen size will also be a difference if I go with 16 inch MBP.
@@JerrySchulze “Flagship Intel MacBook” clearly refers to the best Intel Mac there ever was… which has an i9 CPU, not an i7. So it’s not the one in the video
I'm still running a late 2014 iMac which has topped out at Big Sur. It is good enough to handle routine computer work and light photo editing. I am looking to upgrade to a Mac mini with M4 Pro cpu but still thinking about the total cost which would include buying a Studio monitor.
Intel CPUs ran too hot and Apple refused to use the sort of cooling required as it didn't jive with their design. With the fans at full blast they could still throttle. Remember, Apple switched from IBM PowerPC to Intel due to performance per watt. When they realized their bespoke ARM mobile CPU designs could scale up and compete with Intel / AMD as well as exceeding the performance per watt by a large margin. They planned to transition from Intel to Apple Silicon. When the first M1 chips arrived, they were benchmarked and even Apple was surprised at how much better it was performing than expected. Now we are entering the 4th generation of Apple Silicon SoC. Most people will not need the Pro nor Max revisions of the M4. A MacBook Air with an M4 will suffice for 90% of users. The Pro is recommended for those who need and will use the additional power. The Max goes even further and for those that need every single GPU core, it will make a difference. Most every day office workers can barely make a Mac break a sweat. Mere seconds of a short CPU burst and back to idle most of the time. The new Apple Intelligence might be the most work these chips will ever encounter. If you are doing video editing then the Pro is enough. Most development will be fine with a M4 Pro unless it's A.I. related, 3D rendering, animation, etc. Those users need the M4 MAX.
LOL! I still use my mid-spec 2017 MacBook Pro. It has 16GB, 512GB SSD and the Intel quad I7 CPU. It was not purchased for video encoding but for enterprise software development and office productivity. The keyboard went bad but Apple replaced that and I got a new battery as well. There is absolutely no reason to replace this machine. I'm probably good for another two years.
@@JerrySchulze At the time it was the best computer I'd ever owned. Cost a lot of AUD, but was happy with purchase. Then 2yrs later, got a M1 Mac Mini, which was conversely one of the cheapest computers I'd bought. And yet it was either as fast as or slightly better than the 2yo i9. I still have both, but the heat off the bottom of the i9 is uncomfortable if it has to do any work and the standby battery is not good, even though battery health reports as fine. Really only keep it so I can use Windows in Fusion for the few times I need a Windows OS.
I'm still holding on to my 2017 MacBook Pro for the simple reason that it still works. (Mostly.) That's my philosophy with any major purchase -- get the maximum lifespan out of it, then replace it when it no longer works. I try not to get caught up in the cycles of product updates with their planned obsolescence. I got my first MacBook Pro in October, 2010 and replaced it with my current model in January, 2018. So my first Mac had a 7 year, 3 month lifespan and I'm trying to match that with my current one. Getting pretty close now and I must admit I'm almost rooting for my current one to die, but until it does, I'm sticking with it.
The same, on battery i have to have a power saving turned on because the battery would die so fast. And for photo and video editing and rendering it isn’t as fast but to buy new i dont have budget right now
What I find even more impressive is that my near 4 year old M1 MacBook air is beating the intel macbook pro :O Really shows how monumental the jump from intel to ARM was that a fanless AIR would be faster than the fastest pro at the time.
Yeah, my daily driver is a 2020 iMac 5K core-i9 (10910), 128 GB, 4 TB, AMD Radeon 5700 XT w/16 GB, 10gb ethernet. I'm still on it because I love the screen real estate, and the 10 core 20 thread CPU still does okay - I believe this may have been one of the fastest non-Mac Pro Intel Macs produced and it was actually purchased _after_ the introduction of Apple Silicon. I believed it would get me through the transition period while there were still road apples making the first few bumpy months or years of the transition, and it would still allow me to play Windows games in boot camp where this is _still_ not a terrible gaming computer. I realize that Intel support isn't going to last forever, and I'm thinking about switching to a Mac Studio with a Mac Studio display and relinquishing this machine to be the family computer to replace the rapidly aging 2017 iMac 5K but the expense has held me back. I'm thinking that when the Mac Studio with M4 Max is released may be a good time to transition though I'm not sure if I'm going to want to go to a M4 Max or M4 Ultra, and I'm hoping for an upgrade from Apple on the Mac Studio display beyond a 60 hz LCD panel. The wife doesn't give me too hard a time about my Mac hardware purchases since I dumped a few bucks into Apple stock in 2014 where I've realized about a 147% non-compounded increase in value per annum, or a gross increase of 1520% (as of last Friday). I bought and held pretty much the whole time except when Apple stock was clearly going downhill for things like the pandemic when I sold and waited until the situation recovered and repurchased. I'll probably miss the boot camp Windows gaming part but truth to tell I don't really game much any more, and I realize how much faster something like Topaz Video/Photo AI will run on Apple Silicon where there's so much more horsepower. I _do_ have a couple of Apple Silicon machines - a 2021 16" M1 Max MacBook Pro for portability (which is when I sold my 2019 MacBook Pro) and more lately an 11" M4 iPad Pro for even more portability with its cellular modem, but neither has the screen real estate to be my daily driver.
I have no idea why anyone would have hung on to Intel Macs this long. I had a 15" 2013 Intel MacBook Pro which was a wonderful workhorse for 7+ years (heavy use graphic design). I held off upgrading in all that time because the 2016-18 MacBooks were more trouble than they were worth, and not that much of a jump in performance. Then finally came 2020 - having seen how much better M1 Airs had been running and the crazy jump in performance, the release of the M1 Pro was my cue to finally pull the trigger. SO MUCH BETTER IN EVERY WAY to the Intel. And that's just the M1 Pro, not even Max. So for anyone still holding on to Intel Macs - stop. Just stop. The M-series are a whole new world of performance and efficiency. All major pro apps are well optimized for the architecture now. Really no downsides. Come on in. The water is fine. (I'm still on my bulletproof M1 Pro 16" MacBook Pro, and there's really no need for me to upgrade yet - maybe when they do the next body redesign in 2026 or so).
I still have the first gen of the the MacBook pros released in late 2016 with intel core i7. It still gets the work done but I think it’s time to upgrade to m4 max or m5 next year
Perfect video!! I own the exact same i7 macbook pro I bought it just this year for $450 after alot of saving!! It's serving me quite well because I came from an i3 windows laptop. Hopefully if I work hard enough I'll be able to go apple silicon soon!!!
I went from Intel MacBook Pro i9-8950HK / Vega20 / 1TB to the M4 Max 16c40g / 128GB / 4TB At least 6x faster all-round, and it's COLD. 20 hours battery life. Some tasks are 12x to 16x faster.
I9 9800hk MacBook Pro is dope in x86 soul With unlimited advantage It's amazing to do so much techie task . I hope and Apple's pro machine don't sold affordable
Hi, Jerry. Now I work on MacBook pro i9 2.4 and Radeon Pro 5500M 4Gb. Why you say i7 is best intel macbook? i9 more productive. I expected better macbook and I think, MB Pro M4 Pro is a best mac now. But I cant decide, M4 Pro 12/16 or M4 Pro 14/20. I suspect that new M4 will be able to work stably for about 7 years, unlike Intel and next year I buy 14' M4 Pro. Ou... what do you think, which monitor is better to get for mac? Is it worth saving up for an Apple Studio Display or maybe buy msi mpg321ux oled?
I still need to use an Intel Mac because they are way better at virtualisation (Mac, Wind and Linux). If you need to virtualise old macOS systems, like Mavericks, it seem is more difficult on the new M4s.
I’m currently in a spot where I need bootcamp. Almost none of what I need is available on windows ARM, so I can’t run parallels either. Currently running an i9 2.4Ghz with an 8gb 5500m and 64Gb of ram. I’m sure the M4 would outperform it and battery life is pretty terrible but it still feels like a bit of a powerhouse.
I just wonder how that old Intel Mac would do if it had a Lunar Lake Chip in it and was priced at $999. It would be slower than the Macbook M4 but would probably be more than acceptable to the vast majority of its purchasers.
I switched from 2019 i9 ti m4max and everything is great exept for the screen, comparing both of them looks like the new m4 has a white point greener than the intel… wonder if anyone else is experiencing the same issue
I wonder if base model M gpus are as fast as the 5600m on the older high end models, as of the M3 gpu it’s still slower than the 5600m wonder if M4 would finally take care of it
You can run apple intelligence in an Intel Mac - albeit mirroring an iphone. Great review though. Oddly, my 13inch 4 port i5 2018 MBP scored higher than that 16inch i7 in speedometer- but is still roughly half the performance of my ipad.🤦
spent $5500 on my i9 intel lmao. man. I remember when it came out, it was a beast. Im a premiere & after effects user, and that I9 changed the game. Imma wait for the m5 max!
Me watching this on a perfect working mid 2014 MacBookPro :) I guess that when this one stops working and I'm forced to buy a new one I will going to fell some differences.
keep it running as much as you can. Some people change computers more often because we sell the 3-year model in the used market. I basically switch when the extended warranty is out. Even so my first Mac I keep it for 10 years.
@@jaimeduncan6167 I spent a fortune on my heavily packed 2013 MBP. I got a lot out of it. But now it's time to move on to M4. The question is between Pro or Max.
i feel you bro, I had my 2013 laptop for 10 years and I even got slightly attached to it, I got it during my first year of university, and it stayed by my side until last year, it is still working fine, but I gave it to my nephew and got a new laptop
@@jaimeduncan6167 I watch youtube, browse the web and check email, what more you need? And even being intel I only hear de fan when makes updates, so yeah is fine.
@ I currently run a very capable iMac (Retina 5K, 27-inch, 2020) Processor 3.8 GHz 8-Core Intel Core i7 Memory 64 GB 2TB SSD AMD Radeon Pro 5700 XT 16 GB Im a composer and video editor and have loved this machine but am noticing that with every new update my software has longer and longer hangups even with proper backups and content offloading when finished with projects finishing. I had a 2014 MBP before this and loved the portability. That would be my only regret to moving to iMac in 2020
@@FaunoDufaux this really isn’t about advantages in specs as windows laptops both scale higher and lower when it comes to specs. Macs do tend to have longer battery life but that has shrunk thanks to new Intel Core Ultra chips, AMD’s new chips, and Qualcomm Snapdragon chips. Qualcomm chips can even match or beat some Apple silicon chips in battery life It’s more about what programs do you want. Which is why I ask. Some programs work best on Macs while others are best on a windows laptop.
i totally need the 2019 mbp 16 inch with fully maxed out specs with the i9 cpu because if i installed windows or Linux on it it would straight up solo the M4
Great video. But I would like to see a comparison between this FLAGSHIP Intel Mac 2019 and the FLAGSHIP M Mac 2024 (like the M4 Max). I.e. fight between Flagships, instead of flagship vs super base model. Thank you
Going from the 2019 Intel MBP to a 2024 M4 Pro is like going from a biplane to a F22. Great comparison video Jerry!
I have a 2013.. I guess it's time to upgrade finally
I got a 2018, a fully packed i9, but hated it so I stuck w/ my trusty 2013
2019 Intel MBP was as LOUD as a F22
@@musiccreation1198 lol
Feels like cheating I keep watching videos is slight disbelief
@@musiccreation1198 But you never got cold! 😂
Can´t believe my tiny m1 doubles the intel macbook pro in every benchmark.
Crazy, right?
Apple silicon supremacy 🙂
going onboard the ARM architecture was a big jump in terms of performance per watt and usage time!
Still on the intel. For regular tasks it feels snappy still. It is loud and hot though and I’m seeing a lot of blocked tasks these days. And the battery drains fast in standby. Might do a reinstall. I would upgrade mainly because of the screen and thermal performance.
since it's using the old 60Hz screen, I'd even say just selling the old macbook and getting a 15 inch air for cheap is a good upgrade unless you have a higher end spec on the old intel macbook. You'd get twice or three times the battery life and more than twice the performance in every task right. While there's still some value retention on these old machines i'd just get rid of it.
I just upgraded from a 2018 MacBook Pro to an M4 MacBook Pro. Night and fucking day difference.
Hello. I currently own and use that same Intel MBP. I am looking to buy an M4 MacBook Pro with the base M4 chip. This video is EXACTLY the comparison for me. If I didn't know better I would think you are listening to me personally to make this video. Thank you very much for this comparison. I think this is going to be the biggest single upgrade gap I have ever experinced
Get the extra 14 core m4 pro, it uses the same cpu as the m4 max, best value for longer term
@@satg5733 I want the plain M4. I have no need for the power of the Pro. Even the M4 itself is overkill for what I want most of the time. I really want the 24 hours of battery though which you do not get with the pro chip
Holy Smokes Guys 😱. Getting an M4
I'm 13 seconds in this video, on the M4 Base, got it for under $1600 out the door on amazon literally 3 hrs ago...coming from a 2014 MBP...this is the most insanely snappy and amazing thing...I was torn watching reviewers try to get me to spend another $600 just for gaming...buy a PS5 or 6 with that $...just buy it if you've been waiting to pull the trigger like me. Amazon has returns until Jan 15, get the base and see if you need more.
A comparison that I totally didn't expect nor would have even asked for but so grateful it has been done 🤝
Ports are Thunderbolt 4, not 3 as you mentioned in the video. Or event Thunderbolt 5 on M4 Pro and Max models.
The 2019 has thunderbolt 3. I should have mentioned TB 5 on m4 pro and max.
@@JerrySchulzeNo, you said the M4 had thunderbolt 3 pal. It actually has thunderbolt 4.
Thanks, Jerry. That is an excellent summary. This is what I have seen first-hand. Last week, I jumped from an i9 Intel Macbook Pro to a Pro Max M4. The changes to my Dev (AI & Docker Hosting) & Video work are remarkable. I am not a pro on either front, but my general productivity has gained significantly with the move. Thanks for not assuming we are all M1 users considering the upgrade. Apple's build quality often ensures 4-5 years of ownership, not to mention the expense of getting payback.
The only reason why I upgraded to an M3 was because my Intel Mac would not connect to an external display without getting super hot and slow after an hour plus the fan constantly running
Your math is incorrect. All of your percentages are way off. For example, with your first comparison the single-core is 265% faster and the multi-core is 263% faster. Whatever equation you are using to determine your percentages, needs to be corrected.
Exactly. I noticed that as well.
Thanks for saying this, thought I was going crazy. 😂
No, it does sound odd, but he said it right. Single core performance of the M4 is 265% compared to the Intel version, which is 100%. So the math is indeed correct and the difference is 165%, so that how much faster the M4 is.
Still, I would have said "about 2.5 times faster" instead of the percentages, which are more fitting to use when the difference is not that huge (e.g. less than double).
Update: at 3:53 the Geekbench score is not 78% faster, but 117% faster, so that is actually an error.
There is a big difference between "2x as fast" and "2x faster". "2x faster" means the same thing as "3x as fast."
@Toglander sorry but you should correct your math. Imagine you go from 100 to 150 points. That’s a 50% increase. Now imagine you go from 100 to 250 points. That’s a 150% increase and not 250% increase. So a 3-times increase is an increase of 200%.
My personal Mac is a 2016 MB Pro 15”. My work Mac is the same here, a 2019 16”. The work one runs wild with the fan!
Thanks for this review Jerry. I just sold my i9 16” 2019 MBP 2 weeks ago in prep for the M4 Pro 14/20. Can I ask a question seeing as you were comparing with the 14” size? What are your thoughts about stepping down to 14”? I do use it for photo editing and don’t carry it around much, but I did find the 16” a bit large. Thanks! 🙏
I find the 14 to be a better overall size at home or carrying around.
@@JerrySchulze Thank you!
YES I have been waiting for THIS video. Thank you! I wish someone would do this for Digital Audio Workstation apps too.
Honestly? My old Intel 16-inch MacBook Pro still runs like a champ doing light tasks, it only struggles sometimes with pro workloads. I've been wondering if it's a better idea to wait for and buy the M4 Ultra Mac Studio and keep the Intel MacBook Pro as a light tasks/TH-cam machine?
2018 MBP i7 2.8GGhz 6 core, still not terrible for TH-cam watching and day to day tasks. Definitely going to get a M4 Pro or maybe Max. Feel I got good use out of intel one. Keyboard is barely working on it, butterfly keyboard, I've worn out the command key, it is now white. It runs hot. Mine is a 15 inch so screen size will also be a difference if I go with 16 inch MBP.
Why call it “the flagship Intel” when it’s the i7? The “flagship Intel” was the i9…
It was probably the highest version of the i7 at the time so it would also be flagship .
Well… the video is made now. What is the flagship intel Macbook now? It’s the i9. 🤷🏻♂️
@@MStoica well that would also be called the i9 flagship version ~ the highest top version of each .
Th 16" MacBook Pro was the Flagship, not the CPU.
@@JerrySchulze “Flagship Intel MacBook” clearly refers to the best Intel Mac there ever was… which has an i9 CPU, not an i7. So it’s not the one in the video
Thanks for the video Jerry!!! Is the fan noise from the M4 too loud? Let's say compared to the M1 MAx?
Not at all. About the same on all the Max machines.
That is the best 16 inch 2019? And what about the i9 with 5600m and 32gb of RAM? You can find those for around $1000 now.
“One of the best” is what I said. There was also an i9.
I'm still running a late 2014 iMac which has topped out at Big Sur. It is good enough to handle routine computer work and light photo editing. I am looking to upgrade to a Mac mini with M4 Pro cpu but still thinking about the total cost which would include buying a Studio monitor.
Intel CPUs ran too hot and Apple refused to use the sort of cooling required as it didn't jive with their design. With the fans at full blast they could still throttle. Remember, Apple switched from IBM PowerPC to Intel due to performance per watt. When they realized their bespoke ARM mobile CPU designs could scale up and compete with Intel / AMD as well as exceeding the performance per watt by a large margin. They planned to transition from Intel to Apple Silicon. When the first M1 chips arrived, they were benchmarked and even Apple was surprised at how much better it was performing than expected. Now we are entering the 4th generation of Apple Silicon SoC.
Most people will not need the Pro nor Max revisions of the M4. A MacBook Air with an M4 will suffice for 90% of users. The Pro is recommended for those who need and will use the additional power. The Max goes even further and for those that need every single GPU core, it will make a difference.
Most every day office workers can barely make a Mac break a sweat. Mere seconds of a short CPU burst and back to idle most of the time. The new Apple Intelligence might be the most work these chips will ever encounter. If you are doing video editing then the Pro is enough. Most development will be fine with a M4 Pro unless it's A.I. related, 3D rendering, animation, etc. Those users need the M4 MAX.
Today is the day I learn control+tab shortcut to switch tabs in safari.
Thank you for making this!
LOL! I still use my mid-spec 2017 MacBook Pro. It has 16GB, 512GB SSD and the Intel quad I7 CPU. It was not purchased for video encoding but for enterprise software development and office productivity. The keyboard went bad but Apple replaced that and I got a new battery as well. There is absolutely no reason to replace this machine. I'm probably good for another two years.
i use a 11 year old dual core machine on my office and it still handles its job beautifully. the era of mandatory upgrades every 2 years is long gone.
As an owner of an i9 MB 16, I concur with this video, except heat and battery life are worse!
Yep. I had one.
@@JerrySchulze At the time it was the best computer I'd ever owned. Cost a lot of AUD, but was happy with purchase. Then 2yrs later, got a M1 Mac Mini, which was conversely one of the cheapest computers I'd bought. And yet it was either as fast as or slightly better than the 2yo i9. I still have both, but the heat off the bottom of the i9 is uncomfortable if it has to do any work and the standby battery is not good, even though battery health reports as fine. Really only keep it so I can use Windows in Fusion for the few times I need a Windows OS.
i have Intel Macbook Pro, i think is time to upgrade to Macbook Pro M4, great video thanks.
How times have changed? I remember many reviewers singing praises for the 2019 Macbook Pro after they got rid of the butterfly keyboard.
I'm still holding on to my 2017 MacBook Pro for the simple reason that it still works. (Mostly.) That's my philosophy with any major purchase -- get the maximum lifespan out of it, then replace it when it no longer works. I try not to get caught up in the cycles of product updates with their planned obsolescence. I got my first MacBook Pro in October, 2010 and replaced it with my current model in January, 2018. So my first Mac had a 7 year, 3 month lifespan and I'm trying to match that with my current one. Getting pretty close now and I must admit I'm almost rooting for my current one to die, but until it does, I'm sticking with it.
watching this on my i9 lol...for everyday use it's fine....i have to actually disable all Turbo to make heat more tolerable
The same, on battery i have to have a power saving turned on because the battery would die so fast. And for photo and video editing and rendering it isn’t as fast but to buy new i dont have budget right now
What I find even more impressive is that my near 4 year old M1 MacBook air is beating the intel macbook pro :O Really shows how monumental the jump from intel to ARM was that a fanless AIR would be faster than the fastest pro at the time.
The percentage increases mentioned are completely off. Please check your math.
Always possible but for Cinebench multicore of 15144 vs 5739, that is about 164% increase.
((15144-5739))/15144)X100 = 163.897
It’s simply 15144 / 5739 * 100 =263.8%
Yeah, my daily driver is a 2020 iMac 5K core-i9 (10910), 128 GB, 4 TB, AMD Radeon 5700 XT w/16 GB, 10gb ethernet.
I'm still on it because I love the screen real estate, and the 10 core 20 thread CPU still does okay - I believe this may have been one of the fastest non-Mac Pro Intel Macs produced and it was actually purchased _after_ the introduction of Apple Silicon. I believed it would get me through the transition period while there were still road apples making the first few bumpy months or years of the transition, and it would still allow me to play Windows games in boot camp where this is _still_ not a terrible gaming computer.
I realize that Intel support isn't going to last forever, and I'm thinking about switching to a Mac Studio with a Mac Studio display and relinquishing this machine to be the family computer to replace the rapidly aging 2017 iMac 5K but the expense has held me back.
I'm thinking that when the Mac Studio with M4 Max is released may be a good time to transition though I'm not sure if I'm going to want to go to a M4 Max or M4 Ultra, and I'm hoping for an upgrade from Apple on the Mac Studio display beyond a 60 hz LCD panel.
The wife doesn't give me too hard a time about my Mac hardware purchases since I dumped a few bucks into Apple stock in 2014 where I've realized about a 147% non-compounded increase in value per annum, or a gross increase of 1520% (as of last Friday). I bought and held pretty much the whole time except when Apple stock was clearly going downhill for things like the pandemic when I sold and waited until the situation recovered and repurchased.
I'll probably miss the boot camp Windows gaming part but truth to tell I don't really game much any more, and I realize how much faster something like Topaz Video/Photo AI will run on Apple Silicon where there's so much more horsepower.
I _do_ have a couple of Apple Silicon machines - a 2021 16" M1 Max MacBook Pro for portability (which is when I sold my 2019 MacBook Pro) and more lately an 11" M4 iPad Pro for even more portability with its cellular modem, but neither has the screen real estate to be my daily driver.
1:36 Thunderbolt 4 it is. Great video, btw.
I have no idea why anyone would have hung on to Intel Macs this long. I had a 15" 2013 Intel MacBook Pro which was a wonderful workhorse for 7+ years (heavy use graphic design). I held off upgrading in all that time because the 2016-18 MacBooks were more trouble than they were worth, and not that much of a jump in performance. Then finally came 2020 - having seen how much better M1 Airs had been running and the crazy jump in performance, the release of the M1 Pro was my cue to finally pull the trigger. SO MUCH BETTER IN EVERY WAY to the Intel. And that's just the M1 Pro, not even Max. So for anyone still holding on to Intel Macs - stop. Just stop. The M-series are a whole new world of performance and efficiency. All major pro apps are well optimized for the architecture now. Really no downsides. Come on in. The water is fine. (I'm still on my bulletproof M1 Pro 16" MacBook Pro, and there's really no need for me to upgrade yet - maybe when they do the next body redesign in 2026 or so).
because they're still capable machines able to cope with most tasks users can ask of them?
you don't need a ferrari to do groceries.
I still have the first gen of the the MacBook pros released in late 2016 with intel core i7. It still gets the work done but I think it’s time to upgrade to m4 max or m5 next year
Fans on all the time?
@ almost 😅
For regular tasks the older is almost not slower but much cheaper :)
You can find this 16” on eBay for less than 400. But you can also get an M2 air for not much more.
Perfect video!!
I own the exact same i7 macbook pro I bought it just this year for $450 after alot of saving!! It's serving me quite well because I came from an i3 windows laptop.
Hopefully if I work hard enough I'll be able to go apple silicon soon!!!
The 2019 MBP sucked. I didn't realise how bad it sucked until I replaced it with an M3 Max.
Yep
I went from Intel MacBook Pro i9-8950HK / Vega20 / 1TB to the M4 Max 16c40g / 128GB / 4TB
At least 6x faster all-round, and it's COLD. 20 hours battery life. Some tasks are 12x to 16x faster.
I9 9800hk MacBook Pro is dope in x86 soul
With unlimited advantage
It's amazing to do so much techie task .
I hope and Apple's pro machine don't sold affordable
The M series MacBooks have thunderbolt 4 except the MacBook Pro m4 pro and m4 max ❤❤❤
I have that exact machine, and I still think it's good enough for everything I do.
That intel MacBook was the weakest😅 in 2019! Lameeeee, booo. Get a good one
"Flagship Intel Macbook" - proceeds to use a non-flagship model... ? What in the clickbait is this
The flagship was an 2.4GHz 8-core Intel Core i9, Turbo Boost up to 5.0GHz, (The i9880H) with an AMD Radeon Pro 5600M with 8GB of HBM2 memory
The flagship is the 16” MacBook Pro, processor aside. I also said that it was One of the best.
@@JerrySchulze I think you need to look up the definition of Flagship
@@JerrySchulze I'll just go grab a 16" M4 Pro Macbook Pro and call it a Flagship, shall I ?
Hi, Jerry. Now I work on MacBook pro i9 2.4 and Radeon Pro 5500M 4Gb.
Why you say i7 is best intel macbook? i9 more productive. I expected better macbook and I think, MB Pro M4 Pro is a best mac now. But I cant decide, M4 Pro 12/16 or M4 Pro 14/20. I suspect that new M4 will be able to work stably for about 7 years, unlike Intel and next year I buy 14' M4 Pro.
Ou... what do you think, which monitor is better to get for mac? Is it worth saving up for an Apple Studio Display or maybe buy msi mpg321ux oled?
The studio display is amazing
I said it was “one of the best”. Studio display is great but depends on your needs.
@@JerrySchulze Yes, but in my country price ~2000 euro, but Samsung S9 ~1100 euro))
Apple Studio Display is overpriced. I’d take the MSI monitor any day over the Apple Studio Display
@@crestofhonor2349 now I think, iMac Pro 5k is best for me)) Can install Windows and perfect monitor with luna display.
I still need to use an Intel Mac because they are way better at virtualisation (Mac, Wind and Linux). If you need to virtualise old macOS systems, like Mavericks, it seem is more difficult on the new M4s.
should i get the pro 12-core or the 14-core pro? what do you think is it worth it? i will do video editing, some coding
I’m currently in a spot where I need bootcamp. Almost none of what I need is available on windows ARM, so I can’t run parallels either.
Currently running an i9 2.4Ghz with an 8gb 5500m and 64Gb of ram. I’m sure the M4 would outperform it and battery life is pretty terrible but it still feels like a bit of a powerhouse.
I had that 2019 MBP, and I couldn't get rid of it fast enough. It overhead so easily and would become unusable. Good riddance.
Was cool because was the best Mac laptop but lots of issues with heat.
i7 is not the fastest version
Thanks. I didn’t say it was.
That intel MacBook isn’t even close to the top of the line of 2016 lol
Why not intel 2020 with the i9 and the 5600m which is a great gpu even today
The last 16” intel MacBook Pro was 2019.
I have 2019 i-9 macbookpro and ordered m4 max. I 7 is a little slower i assume
Yep. That’s going to feel so awesome!
@JerrySchulze i was planning to return m4 and get used m1-m3 max theres plenty of used ones being sold now.
hey i am developer , using presently m1 air basic 8gb ram , want to upgrade usually clone heavy open source projects do i requrie 16gb or 24gb ram ?
More memory will help. Buy the best machine you can afford and use it as long as you can.
at 3:50 ish multi core score was actually like 250% faster
I just wonder how that old Intel Mac would do if it had a Lunar Lake Chip in it and was priced at $999. It would be slower than the Macbook M4 but would probably be more than acceptable to the vast majority of its purchasers.
It probably wouldn’t be noticeably slower and it wouldn’t be that big of a difference
I switched from 2019 i9 ti m4max and everything is great exept for the screen, comparing both of them looks like the new m4 has a white point greener than the intel… wonder if anyone else is experiencing the same issue
You need to do an edit. New MBP models using the base M4 have TB4 ports, not TB3.
Ooops, words happen.
I wonder if base model M gpus are as fast as the 5600m on the older high end models, as of the M3 gpu it’s still slower than the 5600m wonder if M4 would finally take care of it
MacOS 19 last update for MBP 16" 2019, MacPro 2019, Macbook Pro 2020
You can run apple intelligence in an Intel Mac - albeit mirroring an iphone. Great review though. Oddly, my 13inch 4 port i5 2018 MBP scored higher than that 16inch i7 in speedometer- but is still roughly half the performance of my ipad.🤦
spent $5500 on my i9 intel lmao. man. I remember when it came out, it was a beast. Im a premiere & after effects user, and that I9 changed the game. Imma wait for the m5 max!
Me watching this on a perfect working mid 2014 MacBookPro :) I guess that when this one stops working and I'm forced to buy a new one I will going to fell some differences.
Maybe a little…
keep it running as much as you can. Some people change computers more often because we sell the 3-year model in the used market. I basically switch when the extended warranty is out. Even so my first Mac I keep it for 10 years.
@@jaimeduncan6167 I spent a fortune on my heavily packed 2013 MBP. I got a lot out of it. But now it's time to move on to M4. The question is between Pro or Max.
i feel you bro, I had my 2013 laptop for 10 years and I even got slightly attached to it, I got it during my first year of university, and it stayed by my side until last year, it is still working fine, but I gave it to my nephew and got a new laptop
@@jaimeduncan6167 I watch youtube, browse the web and check email, what more you need? And even being intel I only hear de fan when makes updates, so yeah is fine.
i would loooove a 16” M4 Pro with 48 gig, but NO reason
Finally a comparison that I can relate to
What do you have now?
@ I currently run a very capable iMac (Retina 5K, 27-inch, 2020)
Processor 3.8 GHz 8-Core Intel Core i7
Memory 64 GB
2TB SSD
AMD Radeon Pro 5700 XT 16 GB
Im a composer and video editor and have loved this machine but am noticing that with every new update my software has longer and longer hangups even with proper backups and content offloading when finished with projects finishing.
I had a 2014 MBP before this and loved the portability. That would be my only regret to moving to iMac in 2020
Should a get a laptop from mac or pc?
Depends on what you want to do with it. It’s not really one or the other, it’s based off what you want to do with it as both have their advantages
@@crestofhonor2349what are the advantages of a mac in terms of tech specs
@@FaunoDufaux this really isn’t about advantages in specs as windows laptops both scale higher and lower when it comes to specs. Macs do tend to have longer battery life but that has shrunk thanks to new Intel Core Ultra chips, AMD’s new chips, and Qualcomm Snapdragon chips. Qualcomm chips can even match or beat some Apple silicon chips in battery life
It’s more about what programs do you want. Which is why I ask. Some programs work best on Macs while others are best on a windows laptop.
i totally need the 2019 mbp 16 inch with fully maxed out specs with the i9 cpu because if i installed windows or Linux on it it would straight up solo the M4
You can run Linux and Windows on Apple Silicon without any problems mate.
Great video. But I would like to see a comparison between this FLAGSHIP Intel Mac 2019 and the FLAGSHIP M Mac 2024 (like the M4 Max). I.e. fight between Flagships, instead of flagship vs super base model. Thank you
My i9 16” is benching higher than that. You are doing something wrong. I think you need to be plugged in to compare.
Thanks. As mentioned, these numbers were just for comparison and yours may be different. Also, this is i7 16” vs your i9.
@ sorry mate you had an i9 graphic in the video I think
@ important thing to note is the M4 Pro 14/20 is almost exactly double the performance in every category. I’m upgrading to at least that this year.
@@Nemlv I don’t have any processor graphic inside the video. Either way, good to keep me on my toes and thanks for watching.
and the game is not a option thats crazy i guess bootcamp is not a option on the intel side nor is a egpu
why do anyone compare a 2019 laptop to a 2020 one? Not even the windows reviewers compare a 14th gen to a 9th gen... c'mon
Omg. I'm having ptsd from your reminding me of having owned the 2019 16" i9 MBP. Nightmare machine.
i9 + 5600 was the flagship configuration on 2019 16 MBP
9:06 407.8 seconds not 401 though , having glasses myself 1 and 7 may as well be the same 😉
This guy can’t do simple maths
M4? even a base M1 Pro 14 inch MacBook Pro blows this 15inch 2019 MacBook Pro out of the water.
Watching this while having a 2012 MacBook Pro … 🤣🤣🤣
the testet intel-mbp is by far not the best mbc, there was a 8core and 5500m version, please get the facts right!
The core i9 + 5600m was the fastest version of the MacBook Pro
Hydronic bomb vs coughing baby
wow the screen sizes are that much different
I mean it is a 16in vs a 14in display
@ he never mentions it thou
Those product item banners are really invasive in the video
? I didn’t add any. Weird.
Lol you go the base 2019 MacBook pro. That mac was not that great
There was a 13” 2019 MBP, so…
Cries in i9
i want one so bad man
Touchbar 🥹
You miss it?
Bait click. C'mon man, there's no comparison. This is a horrible joke
I definitly recommend to talk less, this is way to much clutter. You could present this in a third of the time
intel👎 apple+tsmc👍