@@opiniyon "the mortal instruments" is basically the most known book, tv series and movie of the trope I was wondering why you didn't mention it. Turns out you didn't know
@@opiniyonwe also can't foget about the even more problematic parrent and kid troupe. Fx. How the mother in back to the future, developed a crush on her time traveling future son. Or in gossip girl when lord Marcus and his stepmother countress Cathrine beaton had an affair.
The French tv show dix pour cent (call my agent, in English) also has it for some reason, it’s the worse experience thinking you like a show/book and suddenly they pull that shit
It usually tanks for me, since in too many cases it's a "fantasy amnesia" that works nothing like actual amnesia. And even in fantasy settings, it's often attributed to head trauma but doesn't work like it. I can believe in dragons but not in the "hit your head again to undo" amnesia.
i usually like the redemption trope but like u said sometimes they just forget about the character actions like chuck bass in gg getting a happy ending after sexually assulting a minor in s1 😐
I disagree. I prefer when it’s simple. As long as a media has complicated aspects, I don’t mind it being paired with a simple romance. As long as it doesn’t ruin platonic relationships
I 100% agree with you on the POC and white person couple trope. I want to see more variety of couples in shows and movies like an Asian (whether East Asian, South East Asian, South Asian or Middle Eastern) ending up with a Black/African person or a Hispanic/Latino.
the secret/evil twin I would say it's the same as amnesia: works for telenovelas & soaps, but not in general mainstream fiction (prime ex: Riverdale and Sherlock, enough with the secret siblings I beg you!)
Great video! I respect your views but enemies to lovers will always be my personal fave. I forget if you covered this but what about the “Second Chance” trope?
me personally im neutral about enemies to lovers, half of the time they arent 'enemies', they just dislike each other or it just ends up being a complete miscommunication in the first place, unless we are trying to kill each other i dont particularly care for it unless its very well written 😭😭
Great video! If you are looking for a recommendation with a great found family, let me offer Lockwood and Co! There's ghost fighting, British humor, found family of course, beautiful cinematography, and more! (also, no love triangle!)
Yessss, I binged it in one day and literally the next day they announced it wasn’t gonna get renewed and I was like, y’all this is one of the few of y’all’s show that is actually good plus I needed answers
friends to lovers is kinda cringe. I don't want friends getting mixed signals. anemones to lovers i actually feel neutral about, I don't love or hate it, i also don't find it realistic....
11:06 omg thats why o stopped watching elite by seasons 3 cuz why were all the friends just sleeping with each other So jarring randomly, almost ooc , like the writers were just throwing characters together
a love triangle i really like to talk about is jackie, hyde, and kelso from the later seasons of that 70s show, because in the end like kelso and hyde were both really shitty to jackie and while the show doesn’t acknowledge it enough it’s still interesting for the viewer to notice it all. justice for jackie🤞🤞
Hateeeee love triangles essentially all the time (most of the time it’s not even a triangle 👀), it’s just 99% of the time done wrong, it’s especially worse when they just keep making two female characters fight over one male character constantly orrrrrr when it’s siblings, like TSITP needs to sit downnnnn
I am most of the times pretty annoyed by the black cat& golden retriever tropes because it seems so unrealistic too me that a person is either this or that And my other thought was that I love how Jane the virgin includes all the tropes I hate but it’s still one of my favorites And btw I really love your content, best wishes from Vienna🇦🇹
4:25 Love Triangles are fun except when they start pitting women characters OR randomly introduce conflict out of nowhere. I liked ‘What’s Love Got To Do With It?’ and ‘Past Lives’ with what they did with the trope.
Heavy on the femme fatale trope, love a gaslight gatekeep girlboss, but no one seems to know how to write it properly which is incredibly annoying, especially in the marvel universe, the weird over sexualisation of Natasha was so??? Like the girl has such an interesting storyline but for 10+ years marvel just did absolutely nothing with it and then decided to do something with it AFTER she died was such a bullshit way to go about it, it’s also the fact that the movie isn’t even really centred on Natasha aswell it’s so heavily focused on the other characters around her, not to mention the poorly done writing about her “dad” and how she and yelena just forgave him pretty quickly about what he did to them, like wtf???
I just hate something predictable, like if I can tell you a loose idea of the plot its predictable, like the trope cant be too tropey, its needs like a twist and turn
About the friend group where everyone's dated each other... I think it's realistic to a certain point, like my friend group has a lot of people who used to date, or crush on, or be attracted by each other (and most of us have at least kissed at some point). But we're pretty queer, and also mostly chill about it, it doesn't involve half of all the drama in these shows. Also it's pretty well known that in lesbian circles everyone has dated everyone else, it's common for lesbins to introduce their exes to each other (in portuguese we call that rebuceteio). So I'm conflicted about it; maybe i think the opposite of what you said actually, that if it was portrayed as more normal, and if it was done more maturely (with less misunderstandings and more respect between people) it could be cool. Also more queer people doing it because that's where this actually happens i feel like. ...even if this kinda contrdicts one of my other beliefs, that they should let more friends stay platonic, and not pair up everyone by the end. But that also bothers me mostly when it's a men and a woman that suddenly fall in love for no reason, so maybe the solution is still to queer it up lol
10:24 Fun Fact: Bengali Detective Novels positioned Widows as villains because they gained power and wealth due to legislation. (Source: The Swaddle) P.S. Horror Movies can’t have enough anxieties about women and children.
wait why do you think devi and ben are problematic /gen i haven’t finished never have i ever so i dunno 🙀 is it cos it’s the whole white love interest over the poc whos more compatible trope?
I do like a good redemption arc but Dan Scott… nahhh never. Truly unforgiveable what he did and I HATE that they tried to give him redemption for it and tried to make me care for him
3:45 I HAVE CONFLICTING THOUGHTS. Of course we should aim for diverse love interests but Indian media somehow forgets non-white people as potential love interests.
i hate love triangles they are sooooo dumb i like when the two people meet and they are DESTINED to be together and there is no other person creating an Issue !!!
I feel like the only example I’ve seen of a closeted gay bully that was handled appropriately, was Heartstopper. (Spoiler alert) Because, Charlie doesn’t forgive Ben and he essentially gets what he deserves even though he says he’s dealing with his sexuality.
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opiniyon is a top tier example of the commentary youtuber trope
THIS IS SO NICE THANK YOU 😭
But actually the worst trope is "they fell in love and then found out they're actually siblings"
EXCUSE ME THE WHAT TROPE???
@@opiniyon "the mortal instruments" is basically the most known book, tv series and movie of the trope
I was wondering why you didn't mention it. Turns out you didn't know
@@MaryattChannelyes I really liked that book, but yhe whole "turns put they where siblings" things just destroyed it for me....
@@opiniyonwe also can't foget about the even more problematic parrent and kid troupe. Fx. How the mother in back to the future, developed a crush on her time traveling future son. Or in gossip girl when lord Marcus and his stepmother countress Cathrine beaton had an affair.
The French tv show dix pour cent (call my agent, in English) also has it for some reason, it’s the worse experience thinking you like a show/book and suddenly they pull that shit
If a trope has evolved into something else yet contain similar properties, they’re isotropes.
this is so silly goofy i giggled
this is good, great even
I fully agree with you about friends to lovers being above enemies to lovers! But I also want to add that friends to enemies to lovers is ELITE.
oh you are SO right bestie
I’m also a big fan of enemies to friends to lovers
i’m with you on the love triangle trope! i esp hate it when it involves siblings (looking at you bridgerton season 2 and the summer i turned pretty 🤢)
The vampire diaries just called
finally someone pointed out the "group of friends but they all date each other" esp since its always monogamy lol
Gossip Girl be like...
where is the realistic group of friends who can't tell if they're dating everyone else
@@meddlesome-um what?
Amnesia tropes are either the thing that tanks a story or makes it transcend the human experience and there is no middle ground
It usually tanks for me, since in too many cases it's a "fantasy amnesia" that works nothing like actual amnesia. And even in fantasy settings, it's often attributed to head trauma but doesn't work like it. I can believe in dragons but not in the "hit your head again to undo" amnesia.
Can you tell me an example of positive representation please? I'd love to check it out
@@annakaro9081 luckily for me i have no idea how amnesia actually works so i can just go with it!!!
give me found family ANY DAY i will eat that up for life
no bc same
Found family over everything else. Never fails to make me cry and laugh
i usually like the redemption trope but like u said sometimes they just forget about the character actions like chuck bass in gg getting a happy ending after sexually assulting a minor in s1 😐
always pisses me off to think . all that and NATE WAS ALONE???
Friends to Lovers is actually fun but there needs to be more innovation. Every angle has been done, technically.
yo
I disagree. I prefer when it’s simple. As long as a media has complicated aspects, I don’t mind it being paired with a simple romance. As long as it doesn’t ruin platonic relationships
it feels very predictabl
I call it friendcest when a storyline has the friend group that only dates each other trope, *I’m looking at you Riverdale*
Gossip Girl too
I’m so happy that ‘Sex Education’ exists as counter programming to “I’m keeping it and somehow raising it.”
I'll eat up the found family and black cat/golden retriever tropes always
I 100% agree with you on the POC and white person couple trope. I want to see more variety of couples in shows and movies like an Asian (whether East Asian, South East Asian, South Asian or Middle Eastern) ending up with a Black/African person or a Hispanic/Latino.
wake up everyone opiniyon just posted a video
Miscommunication feels dramatic as a child but now it’s just hilarious.
the secret/evil twin
I would say it's the same as amnesia: works for telenovelas & soaps, but not in general mainstream fiction (prime ex: Riverdale and Sherlock, enough with the secret siblings I beg you!)
Great video! I respect your views but enemies to lovers will always be my personal fave. I forget if you covered this but what about the “Second Chance” trope?
An interesting trope we get to see these days: ‘Woman who doesn’t give 2 Fs and is in her own element’ like Queen Charlotte or Moira Rose.
the teacher dating the student trope *gags*
Pretty Little Liars
I love the innocent poor young man/smart independent rich woman trope in romance tbh subverts the expectations. I wish more romance did this.
me personally im neutral about enemies to lovers, half of the time they arent 'enemies', they just dislike each other or it just ends up being a complete miscommunication in the first place, unless we are trying to kill each other i dont particularly care for it unless its very well written 😭😭
my favorite troupe of all time is secret identity! i never see it discussed in rankings but I’m so attached to it lol
Great video! If you are looking for a recommendation with a great found family, let me offer Lockwood and Co! There's ghost fighting, British humor, found family of course, beautiful cinematography, and more! (also, no love triangle!)
Still SO MAD at Netflix for canceling fr
Yessss, I binged it in one day and literally the next day they announced it wasn’t gonna get renewed and I was like, y’all this is one of the few of y’all’s show that is actually good plus I needed answers
Great vid, and yes a part 2. Just love the way you explain and and talk abt stuff
same i recently started watching her videos and she’s so interesting
Did you do the art in your intro!! It is so cute!!
my friend did! she’s very talented :)
friends to lovers is kinda cringe. I don't want friends getting mixed signals.
anemones to lovers i actually feel neutral about, I don't love or hate it, i also don't find it realistic....
i absolutely love lotr because frodo and sam were such besties but i think we can all agree they should've ended up together
screaming crying throwing up because vampire diaries had almost all of these tropes
.. it still used to be my guilty pleasure tho
I can't stand love triangles, thank you for speaking your truth
It’s alongside the friends to lovers trope the “right person was next me the whole time” it’s cheesy even for me.
No one does resurrection like Indian TV Shows. #IYKYK
11:06 omg thats why o stopped watching elite by seasons 3 cuz why were all the friends just sleeping with each other So jarring randomly, almost ooc , like the writers were just throwing characters together
‘Heartstopper’ (especially Season 2) is Found Family for Gen Z & Gen Alpha.
ive seen the golden retriever/black cat trope refered to as the grumpy/sunshine trope in the booktube community
okay i just have to mention… your duvet cover is my cottagecore dream i love it so much 🥺❤️
i immediatley thought of Izzie Stevens when you mentioned bad redemption arcs... she was NEVER redeemed for me and i hated her all the way through
a love triangle i really like to talk about is jackie, hyde, and kelso from the later seasons of that 70s show, because in the end like kelso and hyde were both really shitty to jackie and while the show doesn’t acknowledge it enough it’s still interesting for the viewer to notice it all. justice for jackie🤞🤞
Hateeeee love triangles essentially all the time (most of the time it’s not even a triangle 👀), it’s just 99% of the time done wrong, it’s especially worse when they just keep making two female characters fight over one male character constantly orrrrrr when it’s siblings, like TSITP needs to sit downnnnn
I am most of the times pretty annoyed by the black cat& golden retriever tropes because it seems so unrealistic too me that a person is either this or that
And my other thought was that I love how Jane the virgin includes all the tropes I hate but it’s still one of my favorites
And btw I really love your content, best wishes from Vienna🇦🇹
I just fell into a debate bro rabbit hole unwillingly, this is my safe space 😭💞
Lmao not me still dealing with ‘I can fix him’ trope. The solution is: “I got to put me first.”
I hate the fact that you can reference Pretty Little Liars for literally all of these
part 2 pleaseee
9:39 Nick and Tori from ‘Heartstopper’ lmao
pride and prejudice is the epitome of enemies to lovers.
Found Family is like an industry standard for Queer People. That’s what we can depend on (most of the time)
John Ambrose McClaren supremacy 😩
4:13 ‘Mississippi Masala’ and ‘Good Intentions’ (Novel) but yes, the representation is rare.
4:25 Love Triangles are fun except when they start pitting women characters OR randomly introduce conflict out of nowhere.
I liked ‘What’s Love Got To Do With It?’ and ‘Past Lives’ with what they did with the trope.
The last trope is brilliant and a parlour exercise for me but Ben from ‘Heartstopper’ was a great break from that trope.
Heavy on the femme fatale trope, love a gaslight gatekeep girlboss, but no one seems to know how to write it properly which is incredibly annoying, especially in the marvel universe, the weird over sexualisation of Natasha was so??? Like the girl has such an interesting storyline but for 10+ years marvel just did absolutely nothing with it and then decided to do something with it AFTER she died was such a bullshit way to go about it, it’s also the fact that the movie isn’t even really centred on Natasha aswell it’s so heavily focused on the other characters around her, not to mention the poorly done writing about her “dad” and how she and yelena just forgave him pretty quickly about what he did to them, like wtf???
Part 2 PLEASE
Enemies to Lovers is good but it’s so easy to get it wrong and then it gets…messy.
13:00 It’s not just about setting fire. We should have a bonfire.
I just hate something predictable, like if I can tell you a loose idea of the plot its predictable, like the trope cant be too tropey, its needs like a twist and turn
About the friend group where everyone's dated each other... I think it's realistic to a certain point, like my friend group has a lot of people who used to date, or crush on, or be attracted by each other (and most of us have at least kissed at some point). But we're pretty queer, and also mostly chill about it, it doesn't involve half of all the drama in these shows. Also it's pretty well known that in lesbian circles everyone has dated everyone else, it's common for lesbins to introduce their exes to each other (in portuguese we call that rebuceteio). So I'm conflicted about it; maybe i think the opposite of what you said actually, that if it was portrayed as more normal, and if it was done more maturely (with less misunderstandings and more respect between people) it could be cool. Also more queer people doing it because that's where this actually happens i feel like.
...even if this kinda contrdicts one of my other beliefs, that they should let more friends stay platonic, and not pair up everyone by the end. But that also bothers me mostly when it's a men and a woman that suddenly fall in love for no reason, so maybe the solution is still to queer it up lol
12:09 It’s like people have never heard of consulting psychologists or related experts. Memory loss is so diverse. It’s not a zero sum game.
10:24 Fun Fact: Bengali Detective Novels positioned Widows as villains because they gained power and wealth due to legislation. (Source: The Swaddle)
P.S. Horror Movies can’t have enough anxieties about women and children.
You know what the only example is of actually love at first sight? Sleepless in Seattle. Makes you believe it.
wait why do you think devi and ben are problematic /gen i haven’t finished never have i ever so i dunno 🙀 is it cos it’s the whole white love interest over the poc whos more compatible trope?
I do like a good redemption arc but Dan Scott… nahhh never. Truly unforgiveable what he did and I HATE that they tried to give him redemption for it and tried to make me care for him
opposite to the stereotype i can fix you trope is Peeta and Katniss tbh
13:18 More Emotional Support Himbos for everyone!
another trope is the rich man / poor woman
3:45 I HAVE CONFLICTING THOUGHTS. Of course we should aim for diverse love interests but Indian media somehow forgets non-white people as potential love interests.
i hate love triangles they are sooooo dumb i like when the two people meet and they are DESTINED to be together and there is no other person creating an Issue !!!
As a Spuffy bitch, I LIVE for E2L an I will die on this hill
I HATE THE FRIEND GROUP DATING ONE!!! like y’all don’t know anyone else at all? really??
hear me out: childhood friends to strangers to friends to lovers!!!!!!
I reallyyyyyy dislike triangle couples 😭 I dislike it so much that it stops me from watching a show or reading a book if this trope is in it
yes
11:52 Haha What a TikTok sound
5:56 Suggestion: A horror movie where queer people don’t die.
I feel like the only example I’ve seen of a closeted gay bully that was handled appropriately, was Heartstopper. (Spoiler alert) Because, Charlie doesn’t forgive Ben and he essentially gets what he deserves even though he says he’s dealing with his sexuality.
Love at some random point > Love at First Sight
Quote of the Day: “It’s not a real trope but who cares?”
11:06 I’ve heard of such friend group IRL and it serves cult.