I BOUGHT A CHURCH ORGAN Part 3 - Its Playing music!
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I Still Don't Know What Im Doing.
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You've done a wonderful job of this organ Sam, well done
Sometimes I enjoy your videos Bro to honest especially those potentiometer video ;)
Sam, would you consider rush E?
You should check out Belgian Decap organs. ;-)
Its sounds awesome!
I was just thinking that it needs a light on each pipe about 10 seconds before you said it!
yeahhhh. definitely needs it, just not come up with my fave solution yet thats all. im most tempted by incandescent pilot lamps, but still thinking! was gunna go LED, but i think it might make it not look right as its the wrong sorta look. also was suggested to dangle em in the pipes but ii think itll mmess with it a bit, who knows. lets see haha
Hah, me too.
Me three!
@@LOOKMUMNOCOMPUTER LED down the top light escapes through the mouth at the bottom
@@mattsan70 its just not as noticeable as uyoud expect, also it messes with the pitch
Back in '81 I was a factory tech at Rodgers Organ.
Thank you for reviving an old pipe organ.
Just a couple suggestions.
- Caution with screwing anything to the pipe chest (the wooden box). If the wood starts to split due to the screw, you can get a hiss. You might consider removing the screws, carefully plugging the holes with a fine-grain filler then mounting the boards with an adhesive (hook-n-loop would work great, and you can pop off the board if you need to do some troubleshooting.)
- You might tidy up those loose wires on the troublemaker solenoid. each time air rushes up out through the pipe, it will jostle loose wires a bit. Those look to be a fairly common, thin tiny wire (maybe 28 or 32 gauge?) and the metal (and it's solder joint) is subject to fatigue each time they are moved. If you have a one-button playback for the Fugue at the museum, then that little solenoid and it's loose wires will get much more activity than a normal church-installation, and you might start to get intermittent problems after a while. Just cut and resolder the wire with less excess length. OR dress the wire careful down to the wood and stick the excess to the wood surface with RTV/Silicone adhesive. Anything to minimize the chance for motion of that wire.
- Lights, per pipe. It should be easy to find a bright LED that won't take too much current to activate on each driven line from the Midi driver. You might want to be careful about little short reverse transient spikes that can occur when a solenoid is turned off... the driver chips have their own protection circuit, but an LED might be susceptible to damage with those spikes. you can strap a little reverse-bias protection diode on each driven line.
Type of light: I would stay away from any light with a filament... the vibration of th lower notes will shortened an incandescent lightbulb's lifespan.
AND an incandescent can have a slow turn-on time that might make it lag the onset of the played note.
Also, I wouldn't mount to light directly to the pipe for two reasons : a) weight. adding a mass to the pipe can change its tuning, and b) vibration of the pipe may lead to a rattle/buzz. I would mount the light on the wooden pipe-chest, near the toe of the pipe. BUT, this means bringing a parallel wire from the driver OR out through the chest-wall (NOT recommended). Just stuff to think about.
Now, we need to find you a couple ranks of Reed pipes and you can get that piercing, harmonically-rich sound that is throughout so many great pipe organ pieces.
Yes. Need to expand the sonic palette with reed pipes. All the other tips are great, too. Velcro is a musician's friend.
You will go down in history as one of the 21st century's genuine prodigal geniuses! The hard work you put into everything always pays off! You'll deny it blindly of course but that's what true geniuses do! The way you mix your obsession with music and machines always blows me away! Still can't believe you've bought a whole church organ from some random gaff in Bristol. You're living my dream dude! Never change!
Also a huge influence to teenagers and adults. Do what you want in life and you’ll be happy and busy.
@@leonidashendrickson1408 Exactly! One of the few influences that isn't trying to sell them stuff on behalf of corporations too! Sam's a legend!
He is pretty damn creative, but let's be real: apart from money, the only thing stopping you doing this stuff is you.
+1 good sir
> The hard work Indeed. Sam spends houuuuuurs soldering, crimping, snipping, troubleshooting and putting in insane hours. Lazy he ain't.
You have no idea how much your vids and energy keep me going. I'm 51 now, and was dragged through decades of 'Ooh errr that's not how its done innit yer doing it wronggggggg'.
Watching you do your thing is like a wonderful solvent getting rid of years of rubbish learned from bad people. Thank you.
..or you could put a furby in front of each pipe and have its mouth move when actuated...
Haaa
Good one!! 😂
@@LOOKMUMNOCOMPUTER ..or a pair of moving lips round the side openings
That's a fun idea -- just mad enough to belong at the museum. But, maybe more sensible, put an LED _IN_ the pipe. Make the thing glow through its vent ... thing ...
@@mikeselectricstuff That gives me Clockwork Orange vibes.
Pulls PCB out... "You just don't know what you're doing Sam, You'll never be able to get it to work."
🤣🤣❤❤
Ah, Bach's Toccata and Fugue - the perfect way to break in your pipes over MIDI. Congratulations on making so much progress!
Bach was the ROCKSTAR of his time so that fits perfectly!
Oh hell yes!!!!! 🤘😎🤘
Sadly, he stopped it again. Sounded great.
thanks that was buging me, what it was called :-)
It's said the piece was created as a stress test for organs.
Man I dig that background loop
At a steam fair yesterday and a pipe organ was running a punch card programmer to play. Got me thinking a central punch card reader to midi convertor running midi around the museum would be mighty cool.
Punch card organs - Midi 0.1a
Yeah ! Kind of like a completely electromechanical jukebox !
Do this
Not so much "I Left My Heart in San Francisco" as "I Left My C Sharp Down in Bristol"
It would be great if once it's all in top shape to get a professional organist in to play it, and record the midi of their performance so you can replay it at any time.
must do
Boring. It could be connected to the awesome stuff all around to create awesome sounds a professional organist won't even think of.
A professional church organist propably wouldn´t go near that Midiboard, but i would!! - and Sam is a genious!!
@@MrKeys57 I recently saw an organ that had been converted to be a MIDI controller (which the person who made it had connected up to an organ soft synth), it would be a brilliantly weird analog-digital-analog combo. I don't know the name of the person who made the organ, but they brought it to EMF Camp 2022
what's nice is you can create electronic sequences with arpegiators and sequencers
My neighbor is an organist - his wife also. It is so amazing and good to see your love and enthusiasm for this project, It's so cool to show this to them.
Glad to see & hear this. Thanks man. Really.
It's never going to work because HE DOESN"T KNOW WHAT HE"S DOING!!!!!
@@gorak9000 that isn't very kind
@@doodoofart1438 r/whoosh
@@doodoofart1438 I'll even help you out with a hint: th-cam.com/users/shortsXGL3rskcQD0
Good to see this moving forward ! The other half was commenting on how much your midi boards resemble (in function anyway) the system we use that we imported from the states for our three pipe organs, by a company called Artisan. Also as it'll be driven by midi, have you thought of using GrandOrgue as a replacement for the original relay ? For stop selection etc, all open source. We've also got a tonne of midi files from old residence organ rolls if you'd like copies, our museum archives are open to yours.
Whatever tune you've got playing in the background throughout this video is just wonderful.
Check organ part 2
@@LOOKMUMNOCOMPUTER Nice. Very nice. Thank you.
I can't avoid getting the vibe of a mad scientist marvelling at his latest creation @ 8:36 . I like the use of the theme from part 2 in the background, I hope you make a full version of it when you get the whole organ up (no pun intended).
that "mad scientist" reference made my day XD
In the context of your museum, mounting the controller boards where you can see them and the wiring is way better than hiding them. Swell job!
in general it fosters a sense of honesty which seems to be central to Sam's operational ethics.
That is awesome! I think you're lining up to be the first museum with a playable pipe organ. Depending on how much current those solenoids need, you could use LEDs in series, just in front of the pipes. Since you're irritating people by attaching to the air boxes, you could really give them an aneurysm and drill the LED through -- just be liberal with epoxy or something to seal it! Use a resistor/capacitor filter to make them come up slowly and fade out slowly like incandescent lamps. 😁👍️
There is a museum in Vermont with one. It’s the only one I can think of. And they are only open 2 hours a week in the summer
@@nicholas_scott Not surprising -- I know maintaining these wind-powered beasts isn't cheap, and the cost goes up algorithmically the larger the organ. That 2 hours is probably all the time they want to put on it. But, as someone who spent many formative years in Church, Sam has done a lot to demystify how the thing even works. I feel like I could potentially troubleshoot one now.
There are plenty of museums, especially in Europe, with pipe organs. The Netherlands has an organ museum, and Tasmania's MONA has an 1800s chapel organ in one of their private entertaining spaces.
It is not a wise idea to put LED's in series with the solenoids, or use an RC filter for dimming them
@@patrickmeyer2802 Interesting. That's not a common thing here in the 'States, AFAIK. It's my understanding that Sam's aiming toward this being playable by the general public; I would imagine those museums don't do that?
It's really fun to see someone discovering a world that I know really well. Kudos for diving head first in to the world of organ building! 😂
Also a very accurate comparison of Bach's Toccata and Fugue in D minor being an organist's Stairway to Heaven 👌
If you want to check out how Toccata and fugue is supposed to be played,- check out Paul Denais on TH-cam. He is the last organist alive from the school of Lemens.
I rarely get to say it but this video had the perfect background music. Cant wait to hear some Philip Glass on this beauty.
You're the Mad Professor of the Look Mum no Computer Museum ... i love it ... !! Well done Sam
Man, you're a genius. It's amazing what you can do with a screwdriver, a soldering iron and some wires! The way you're bringing this organ back to life and into the realms of MIDI and modern music technology is unbelievable. Kudos to you!
Such Sweet Salvation for those pipes! FINALLY living their best life!
This absolutely confirms my appreciation of what you are capable of. Been watching for years but just recently subscribed (apology) .
I do not believe there is anyone one TH-cam at at the moment who can put so many hours into projects. It's not just the time involved, it's the dedication to your craft and bringing thing to life.
The Organist who used to play this and her husband who moved and plumbed it all up in their house would be delighted to see this organ saved and modernized rather than ending up as scrap.
I just realised that super high pitch would be useful for one of those Fourier transform things. Where you make an instrument play all the sine waves that add up to an audio file.
Yeah! Make the organ "speak"!
@@키다리헹님 that would be epic.
I think someone did this with a piano?
@@valdir7426 A collab with @MarkRober?
I love organs so much. Playing them is the keyboard equivalent of playing drums!
The background music is just simply fabulous !
I was once a chorister at Ripon Cathedral and I always remember walking past the 32' pipes... because if you didn't hold onto your sheet music -WHOOSH! Up the pipes it went, and you don't get it back
You're inspiring. Motivating. It's wonderful that you get so much knowledge to solve problems in your projects. You're really helping me to get my little projects DONE! Thank you for that, and please keep doing what you obviously love!
I love how the background music was played by the organ he's showing.
Marvellous Sam!
YAY LIGHTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FOR EACH PIPE!!!!!!!!!!
Have then shine up from the BOTTOM!!!!!!!
YESSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!
Is it possible to add more boards to mirror the existing ones ?
Make a mount for the ceiling with a load of laser pointer modules pointing at the appropriate pipe, in a darkened room with a smoke machine it should look cool, specially if the lasers are crisscrossed.
Or, vertical spots or lasers in front of each pipe to mimic Jean Michel Jarre's light organ
If laser pointers are still too risky, some sort of miini spots
please this
I was about to suggest a light per pipe would look great, but lasers are even better :D
Church organs always bring me out in goose bumps, I bet than sounded (and felt) pretty amazing being stood right next to the pipes.
Talk about that organ getting to a good home. :)
Sam my boy, you definitely don't know what you are doing! Seriously though, this is an amazing project and the way you chose to tackle how to control the pipes, brilliant.
I love the grumpy complainer voice 😄
I bet that room sounds/feels amazing when the pipes are playing like that.
Beyond impressed with this. Its an amazing achievement to get it this far, you should be well chuffed.
Nothing obviously out of tune either.
One day I will go to the UK and visit the museum, it's definetly in my bucket list
Would it be feasable to blow some sort of smoke/vapour into the air supply, without damaging components or changing the tone too much? Could be a pretty cool way to visualise the movement of air through different pipes as you play.
Or heat up the air and display the whole thing on a big monitor via a thermographic camera
@@DavidJohansson Now that would be fun to hear how the tuning changed when it warmed up 🤣
There's a lot of wood and felt in that instrument - I'd be hesitant to add any form of vapour for concern of letting them get damp and rot
As someone who repairs electronic organs I can identify with this. Never worked on a pipe organ but the principles are similar. Well done for saving a piece of musical history and greetings from New Zealand.
Amay Zing! All you have left to play is SuperMario Bros theme.
This impressive achievement beats the recently released Floppotron 3.0.
Maybe a guest appearance duet can be arranged, either online in a collab video or IRL at the This Museum Is Not Obsolete museum in Ramsgate!
yeah. I can definitely imagine duet with Floppotron.
With clever programming and synchronizing of recording it would be definitely possible.
That would be amazing yeah. Somehow Carolina Eyck is the first person that comes to mind. Organ & Theremin should sound awesome together!
Floppotron 3.0 is pretty epic.
I'm glad you can show that anything can be done with luck, luck being the cross roads of preparation and opportunity
Dude, I still don't get how you still didn't reach the +1M subs, with such valuable content!!! Your next level projects and outside-of-the-box-thinking is amazing! Congrats and thank you for sharing!
I'm so impressed with how engaged you are in discussion in your comments it's great to see, I imagine it takes quite a bit of time
Only ever heard a live church organ once; it was at a performance in Sloan Square; The Holy Trinity Church.
An amazing sound, which was totally unexpected. Sometimes I could feel the vibration from those deep bass notes going through my body; I thought I had heard 'bass' before that, but that was the real deal. Anyway, I'm genuinely floored to see the work you're putting in.
I used to work with an organ nut. Some of the larger pipes would be low double-digit Hz, like 18Hz. It's a real problem for those wanting to convert to electric instruments, because it takes a fairly significant (and well-powered) piston to move that much air as effectively as a large pipe.
TinyMaths yep, put the fear of God into the congregation!
But seriously the closest I've had to the physical experience of a great organ (St Sulpice in Paris is my personal favourite) is the sound system in the Campden Palace in the 80s (the bass speakers would re-arrange one's innards) or a pro-fuel dragster doing burnouts or a fighter jet scrambling.
@@nickwallette6201 there is nothing, not even a stadium size rock band PA, that can move air like a large pipe organ. Digital organs will only ever be a pale imitation at best - a reverberant acoustic can help disguise the ineluctible artificiality of the tone, but there is no substitute for the monstrous CFMs a large organ can flow... as for frequencies, a 16ft pitch pipe is 32Hz, a 32ft pipe is 16Hz, and a 64ft pipe (of which there are two on the planet) is 8Hz. Like super-high pitches, these are musically useless on their own, but the fundamental and harmonic overtones they produce add so much to the ensemble.
@@richardharrold9736 16Hz was what I was thinking of. Pretty awesome stuff. I've only heard a few organs in person, including one in the backup Notre Dame, but haven't ever experienced one played in anger. It's on my to-do list. :-)
@@nickwallette6201 where are you based? There's probably a decent organ near you worth hearing.
Brilliant. It's all coming together now.
Next step, allow midi information to be sent via internet, and place a stereo mic at the center of the room so that people all over to world can capture music through this organ. 🙃🙃🙃
Could go even further. Have them make a payment with some low-fee cryptocurrency in order to play their song. If the queue get too long, increase the cost. Will make you earn money at the same time function as spam protection.
May I be you? You're so much cooler than I'll ever be. I love how the organ is coming along. Excellent work!
9:20 instantly reminded me of Gyruss in the Arcades :)
I'd love to hear a choral piece like Agnus Dei on those pipes, sounds like it has the "vocal" range for it.
Well done Sam.
once this is done i expect to see regular videos of it playing different songs. I cant wait to here bohemian rhapsody.
I'll admit I was one of the doubters. Not because I thought you lacked the technical knowledge, but because not in 10 years would I have the motivation to tackle this complicated of a project. Well done!
this is gonna be awesome, looking forward to it
Im not sure youbrealize just what an amazing accomplishment it is to have that organ up, and running again already!
I've been waiting for part 3, wonderful
I’m coming back to the museum just for this!
pipe with pipe On a a pipe near a pipe….pipes ..pipes pipes 🤯
Church organs always remind me of the Dr Phibes movies starring Vincent Price!
Dr Vibes
Ah yes, the one where he somehow managed to play War March Of The Priests while waving his hands in the air!
@@mrrandomperson3106Yeah, must have had the upper keyboard wired up to the lower to play with his feet LOL
A church organ might be the ultimate midi playback device. Sounded lush on the video, I bet it sounds completely immersive stood in front of it.
It sounds really good man. Congrats.
The sound is incredible what a great find the organ was. 🎵🎵🎵
Great stuff, you're like a mad scientist
thank you for saving this old organ. It deserves to live. ❤❤ great update 👍👍
Wonder if you put a fog/haze machine before or after the blower if you could get pipes blowing smoke convincingly? Would be cool with the lights, for a little while anyway.
Just imagine what a potential of tone pitch he has by adding some amounts of Helium or SF6 into the air. Should be definitely mental.
@@dmitrymikheev7899 dont forget the laser holograms too!
@@jhonviel7381 Pipe Organs? Lasers? Copious amounts of fog? This room is turning into an ELP concert!
@@jhonviel7381 Sure. a red laser put on a flat spring to big tubes will perform acid-crazy oscillations i guess.
I'm living vicariously through you, I've always dreamed of having a full fledged organ in my house, man of my passion.
I *love* this, but can't hear a church organ without thinking of Bart Simpson swapping out the music for In the Garden of Eden
i was half expecting this when it fired up, has the same tone to it also
Hang on, this sounds like rock and or roll music.
Totally. th-cam.com/video/ulDC1w1ydLI/w-d-xo.html
The song is In a Gadda Da Vida.
One of my favourite pieces of music.
When switching inductive loads (like coils) make SHURE that you have reverse diodes. I dont know what chips you used; they might have reverse diodes inside. But if they dont it might work for some time but then it might break your mosfet chip or even worse the tensy
well yeah. most modern transistor array packages know about this and have the diodes as standard
@@LOOKMUMNOCOMPUTER It's actually surprising that chips in those tiny packages w/o heatsink can drive the coils. How much do coils consume?
I'm guessing they're ULN2003a's or something similar, so
@@dcnick3 Mosfets are remarkably efficient when they are fully on, since at that point they have a really low resistance. Resistance is what creates heat in electric circuits.
Really cool that you saved that magnificent sounding beast.
the first time I heard about midi pipe organs I was amazed (it was in a temple); and now I understand modern organ are already electromechanical instruments; so it's a matter of plonking a midi port on it and it's done. Would be great if there was a way to control the quantity of air you send in each pipe; probably not possible using these solenoids but maybe at least it's possible to control the global power of the blower thingie (with something like an expression pedal or aftertouch)? are these cards a personal build? can we find them somewhere?
Link in the description for the PCB design and the Teensy code.
I'm pretty sure the Notre Dame organ has/had a digital (MIDI) console after its most recent refit.
I can say without any hyperbole and irony this video made me smile and brought a tear to my eye.
Thank you for so much for saving this instrument and sharing it with us.
This is going to be truly epic and I can't wait for inevitable "LMNC takes ya to Church!" video!!! 😁🐀
But Sam... You don't know what your doing...
Genius... absolutely in awe of your unique awesomeness...
i so wished i lived a bit nearer the museum :(
This guy is really something. Constantly pushing out massive content at a blistering pace and it's always nuts. I don't think I've ever seen as wild, inventive and innovative TH-camr. Mad respect
I have to admit it Sam, I am jealous. Something special about a pipe organ in my book. Keep being awesome!
i got a little teary at the end when you watched your creation come to life
I admire your patience and commitment!
I think this organ video serie is the best think I've watched on youtube
Very cool! Never can go wrong with BACH!
You are a raging MAD audiologist!
At the beginning of this series I was saying, no way. But I've been rooting for ya. And now, it's ALIVE!
Bigtime props...And PIPES, bro.
Well, you know what ? At first I didn't understood your channel. Then I looked at it suspiciously. Then I get attracted when I understood all it was about is music and electronic stuff, but... "look mum, no computer" 🤯 !
The organ fantasy convinced me to subscribe. Good milestone.
And now, I just JUMPED on your video. Just do your things, it's just perfect. You're going sooooo further that I would ever go if I had infinite time and money... And you don't have infinite time and money! So I live it through your channel. Thanks a lot for your dedication, passion and energy! 👍👏
"Don't screw it straight on there, that's not how it works."
This is the content I subscribed for
For your C# pipe, get the cardboard inside of a fabric roll from your local haberdasher, cut to size, and duct tape it on, until the mitre is reunited. Doesn't need to be exactly the same diameter. I have temporarily bodged many a church organ with duct tape...
Ha! Awesome! i can remember you cutting the thousand wires with the hacksaw going, no, that's not how you do it, you'll never get that working again Sam.. EPIC! sounds great too.
this piece definetly found great new ownership
I like your "just get it done" approach to projects. Great job so far!
It is fantastic how this guy is making something work in a matter of days that likely back in the days took weeks month or years to build probably with several people with only a fraction of the stuff they used. insane
That is one of the coolest things I have seen in a. Long time. Love look mum no computer!
I'm absolutely loving how you saved the organ, modernized when reasonable, and recreated the whole atmosphere including the colour and the woodwork.
And of course, it had to be Bach.
Love this project! Great ending with organ’s “Stairway”. As an American, scale is always a funny thing. You asked if someone coming from Bristol could bring you the extra piece, which, from what I can gather, is about 3 1/2 hours away to the museum, which is about 3 hours and 50 metric minutes (joking). From where I am in the U.S. of A. that doesn’t even get me into the next state! But I would make the trip in an afternoon if I had to, here.
Maybe it’s fuel prices, although they’re not great here anymore, and maybe it’s just scale difference. I enjoy your projects, so keep it up! Looking forward to seeing the entire organ working again.
Yep, to Brits that's a long journey! Though to be fair when it involves going around Greater London or Birmingham it's up there with those Californian highways near LA for masochism.
Yeah it ends up being a 10 hour round trip which is fine but for just a pipe ain’t nobody got time for dat ha
Beautiful Sam I knew your genius mind would get the organ playing once again good on you 👍👍😎
Wundervoll, thanks for keeping the organ alive.
Out bloody standing dude, beats the shit out of any emulation or sample bank.
Sam , pipe organs and midi, 3 of my favorite things !
He loved listening to it finally so much
As a side note, I would really love a copy of the circuit board or two, I know somebody who's trying to save a six-section organ, and has been cut down to a four section organ because the six section console was destroyed. These circuit boards could absolutely bring new life to Old organs because old organs rely completely on their consoles having all of the connections. I'm going to send her the link to this video, that circuit board would make her incredibly happy.
As one of the people who said you were mad for chopping it all apart originally, I am happy to eat my words. I see now that the simplicity of the mechanism makes it all so easy to reassemble in any way you see fit. It's why I love electro-mechanical systems so much. Can't wait to see it all done! Thanks for sharing!