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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 พ.ค. 2024
- The Voron clones are multiplying.... and, shrinking? The Troodon Mini is here! In this video we take a closer look at the new Troodon Mini Pro, as well as the upgraded Troodon 2.0 Pro. I discuss what makes these printers special, how they compare to a true Voron, and what sets them apart from the competition.
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00:00 The Voron Clones Are Multiplying!
00:34 What is a Troodon?
00:58 A Lot Has Changed
01:16 Pro Upgrades
02:06 RIP RepRap
03:08 Long Live Klipper!
03:31 Troodon Mini Is Here
04:09 The Important Details
06:46 Who Is This Printer For?
07:50 Two Major Limitations
08:55 Input Shaping Results & Considerations
09:50 More Benefits
10:19 Print Quality
10:55 Price, Value & Competition
11:50 AMS v.s. ERCF
12:11 Summary - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
Got the mini as my first printer. Put klipper on it myself and it has been working great.
Thanks for covering these, I've never heard of Troodon!
This is so cool! I've been looking into a voron 0.2 because I wanted to build something complex, but this is such an awesome alternative for those who just want to buy these in bulk and have open source in mind!
I wouldn’t call a v0.2 complex. It doesn’t even have ABL. should be a fun build, though.
Okay, didn't know this Troodon series. Interesting, will keep it in mind.
I have been waiting for a larger build volume from Bambu. I am almost interested in the Troodon 2.0 pro. If the cooling was better, I might get one
I just got the troodon 2.0 last week and have been loving it .the place i ordered from gave a phaetus uhf hotend from 3d printers bay, it seems the people that own formbot are selling some through them with upgrades available. I hope I didn't buy the new hotend in vein tho, as it was an option for upgrading on their site. It ships separately from the machine, and has to be installed. I have a message into them asking them for instructions on how to install it if the toolhead board doesn't support the rated power, hopefully I will hear back tomorrow from them.
Just started my 3d printing hobby with a bambu lab P1S. Because I just wanted to print without worries. Now I'm evolving Into the tinkerer category but just don't see myself building a Voron (yet), so for me this would be a great option
Just wait till next month... I'm gonna have something exciting for you ;)
Oooh intriguing. If I had to guess… a similar offering of a pre-built Voron from LDO 👀
@thenextlayer If I sign up for your Patereon, will you tell me now?
I stole your thunder. There are fully assembled LDO voron kit for only $2700. LOL.
@@bencox7536 Nope!
@@vbart1776 Not even close to what's coming...
Nice video Taylor! 👍
Thank you!
Was hoping you would cover this! Looks very tempting. How are the sound levels while printing?
Pretty average I’d say. Not a quiet machine. Closing the doors helps a lot with noise.
I own Prusa systems, Bambu X1C printers, an older Troodon 2.0 from last year, and a self-built Voron 2.4r2 350. The Troodon is quieter than the Bambus and the Voron (I should have picked quieter fans for my Voron), but louder than the Prusa printers.
The Teamgloomy site states that the Troodon V2 internals in the print head are designed for a maximum of 2.5A (which equates to 60 watts at 24v). Formbot sells a Stealthburner Extruder for Troodon 2.0 with a choice of Dragon High Flow hotends, so I'm thinking that in its default state the Troodon could handle some 60W HF hotends. If my reasoning is correct. Anyway, I like the fact that Formbot is trying to improve Troodon. Changing the bearings in the extruder. Switching to a Klipper, or TAP RC8 already in the stock equipment.
I already have an order in, and that's mostly thanks to you. Thanks so much for what you do =)
I think it could handle 60W in theory, but without a safety factor. A Formbot engineer at one point advised no more than 50. Thanks for watching and commenting, much appreciated.
Formbot support said easy workaround is adding canbus for 5A hotend
@@FrankForfaen-uk1guIs it easy to add Canbus with their custom MCU?
@@XHolyPuffX don't know
After watching your videos, I acquired a Troodon almost a year ago. By the way, thanks for the work, which motivated me to take on this project. Since then, it's been converted to a Klipper / StealthBurner, as well as a Dragon UHF hotend. Unfortunately, the flow rates were way below my expectations.
However, did you notice that the PT1000 thermistor is off by more than 30°C at 200°C (< 170°C), when connected to the Octopus X7 (or the analog input of an SB2209/ SB2240)?
I also had similar flow rates, for example a Polymaker Polyterra at 13 mm³/s. After connecting the PT1000 to a MAX31865, and removing the reverse bowden (cause of high friction and ESD), this filament went up to 56 mm³/s!
Thanks for watching. I haven’t noticed that temperature differential but never did any explicit testing. The flow rate is definitely low with the stock hotend.
Hey Sir, thanks for sharing the video! Also quick question. I`m currently running ender 3 Pro on sonic pad, quite happy with it but I`m guessing Troodon 2 Mini pro be miles ahead of my current set up? What hotend upgrade would you recommend for Troodon 2, or just swap the nozzle? I`m 95% certain I`ll buy it !
I am looking for an upgrade to the Artillery genius printers I have. I don't nessasarrly need to print fast. I need good quality and quiet. The mini pro might be what I am looking for. It has the build volume I want and the corexy design. The need to upgrade is hard because I am getting good quality from the printers I have. The technology is getting old and listening to your review of the sidwinder x3 reminded me that I have had all of the problems you talked about. Would I be trading one set of problems for another?
Did the kit come with the accelerometer and cable that was shown in the video?
I feel like this falls into a really niche category of people that don't want a "ready to print" machine like Bambu or Creality, but also don't have the time/money/skill to make a Voron. I appreciate the effort & the content, but the hardware is a half-measured solution of all fronts.
It’s the time aspect for me. I don’t have 30 or 40 hours for a Voron build. At best I have 3 hours. This is feasible, but I am awaiting to see what the Bambu XL has in store for us.
In a lot of ways it’s the best of both worlds. You get the open source, moddable nature of the Voron, with the quicker setup process of a Bambu/Creality (albeit 3 hours versus 30 minutes). It also happens to be cheaper than both, so there’s that too. The target market for this is bigger than you might expect.
Just started my 3d printing hobby with a bambu lab P1S. Because I just wanted to print without worries. Now I'm evolving Into the tinkerer category but just don't see myself building a Voron (yet), so for me this would be a great option.
This is a gateway drug. Closest we got to an open source bambu element that isnt cbt for anyone who doesnt have an engimeering degree.
Some people are more tinkery than straight up manufactury. If i wasnt a cheapass id buy that. I definately prefer this over whatever bambu is selling.
I feel like it's more of a printer for people who have grown past stuff like Enders and Ender clones, people where they want to be able to upgrade and fix their machine on their own but also don't want to go around sourcing $1k worth of parts and assembling them all from scratch. It's like saying there's no market for a prebuilt gaming PC running Windows when you could just buy a Macintosh.
Very exciting to see the Mini Pro. Too bad, not a better hot end on it, but that's easily fixed.
You have a pallette 3 pro? I have one on my MK3S+ and I can not for the life of me get the color timing to stay timed. It's always running the wrong colors usually about halfway into the print. I pretty much have all the bugs worked out of my unit, except for the timing. I just can't get it to work. Plus it seems like Mosaic has just given up supporting the darn thing. Haven't seen a new firmware update in a year and a half.
Good video! Just want to mention that some of your editing is giving me motion sickness and I don't usually have that issue so I figure some people might actually get sick from it hahah
Thanks for the feedback. I’ll keep that in mind :)
Yah its the skew effect. Im trying to eat over here! 😃
I didn't even notice the full Troodon 2.0 was now a "Pro" model when I ordered last week. Any idea when they might release the "Pro" upgrade kit for the Troodon 2.0 from last year? (I've asked Formbot as well but it can take them some time to reply to emails). BTW, if you don't install the acrylic on the top of the Troodon, you can reclaim some of the lost Z height that the StealthBurner takes away because of its added height.
Last I heard from Formbot was that an upgrade kit would be coming "in the coming weeks" but have had no feedback since.
How has your Troodon 2.0 held up? I watched all your initial videos on it. Any long term issues with cable chain, or anything similar?
There was a cable durability issue with the first batch but that has since been resolved and they sent out a replacement to existing owners. Apart from that it has been smooth sailing. Thanks for your continued viewership!
What do you think about the Sovol sv08?
Nice reviews. Do you have any informatio of the aux fan mod you did on the Qidi X-smart3?
Thanks! I’ll share more information on that in an upcoming video.
@@ygk3d I have the troodon 2.0 with a stealth burner and indeed the parts cooling is awful. I upgraded the stock fans which improved the situation but i still cannot print PLA at faster speeds in overhangs, etc. It keeps curling. Any ideas/solutions for an aux fan mod would be appreciated.
Can you please provide footprint ( not build volume ) of the mini ?
I see on the site it is 500x580 but just wanted to be sure because Voron 2.4 250mm build volume frame is 410mm in X and Y
how is the documentation for this? Say I new to 3d printing and this the one I get, how do I do maintenance? how do I tension the belts etc?
even Vorons documentation isn't clear about this and its something only someone how builds a Voron would know.
is the hotened in the stealthburner ridgid mounted?
Any new word on the Marathon? I am eagerly waiting to see some reviews before I pull the trigger, but it certainly ticks all my boxes on paper.
I have one here in a box. Will be making some content with it soon.
@@ygk3dlooking forward to that
Greetings. I liked your video very much, to the point that it pushed me to buy a troodon 2.0 mini pro. the only problem is that the mainsail screen gives me this error: Klipper reports: ERROR
Includes file ' /home/biqu/printer_data/config/generic-bigtreetech-xxx.cfg' does not exist
Once the underlying issue is corrected, use the "RESTART" command to reload the config and restart the host software. can you help me solve this problem,? the same thing is written on the printer display. Thank you
Very interesting. I think it would be nice if they put canbus like ebb36 so you can do more upgrades without rewiring
I agree. It could definitely benefit from having off the shelf electronics rather than the custom stuff they’ve put on it.
Definitely interested in the Mini as a option, but I am curious about if an upgrade to a Revo hotend is a easy and viable upgrade just for that easy swapping, do you think you could show that process?
You could put the 50W Revo with a Revo HF nozzle. You couldn’t put the 60W Revo on it due to current limitations with the stock electronics.
If they didnt have the proprietary breakout daughter boards I'd buy multiple. I want CANBUS umbilical too. EDIT: The highflow hotends need to be an option too, but they are probably already working on that I'd guess.
The idea of a mostly pre-assembled Voron seems incredibly appealing for a newbie to the platform like myself, but I really wish a normal Octopus v1.1 plus accompanying breakout boards and wiring were an option for the Troodon. It seems like you'd be significantly limited in terms of future upgrade/mod potential without changing almost all the electronics out - at which point I'm considering just forking over the ~$200 extra to get a 250mm Voron 2.4 kit from Formbot instead. I'd have bought the Mini in a heartbeat otherwise.
But as a newbie wouldn't a modded troodon be a decent choice? You could easily get an m8p+CB1 with stepper motors and a new toolhead board for less than 100 later on if you do wish to add things. Changing out the board and wiring prob wouldn't take long as the cable chains can open and there's many config for voron 2.4 and manta m8ps, Ans this whole time you don't really have to worry about the build of the printer itself which can easily take over 40 hours without taking into account tuning the thing
hey @ygk3d do you have a working OrcaSlicer profile for the Troodon 2.0 Pro? I tried reusing the previous Troodon 2.0 profile but it doesn't work out of the box. I imagine there are some steps missing in the starter gcode maybe?
I got it sorted out, the Pro printer ships with a PRINT_START and START_PRINT macro and neither of them worked out of the box. I combined parts of both and hard-coded the start gcode in Orca and it's been working brilliantly. I shared feedback with Formbot about it, hopefully they'll make a change on future revisions.
Can't decide between the mini and 2.0, if only they had 300mm version available.
Tangent. :22 seconds I see a Canadian Engineer?
Good eye!
Man i didnt realise it comes with klipper now i might have to invest
They just changed it recently
Im stuck between the new Troodon 2.0 Pro or the K1 Max, I realllly want to go with yhe troodon
Where are the 2.0 Pro upgrade kits? I don't seem em on the website.
They don’t seem to be for sale yet
Is it possible to add Revo hot ends? And is there space in the chamber to add a Klipper controller heater?
Yes, and I think so.
Hey i just wanted to mention that the scew filter/movement when showing the browser interface like at 12:49 is very bothersome for me and probably others.
Thanks for the feedback. I’ll keep that in mind.
Can the Troodon 2.0 mini be upgraded to use the E3D revo hot end? Any resources for this?
Yes it can. Refer to the Voron Stealthburner documentation for mounting options.
@@ygk3d thanks for the reply. I ordered one and might reach out for some help.
Running a a troodon 2 for 11 months now upgraded the extruder and added the klipper. Not sure if tap is worth it?
If you’re not having first layer issues or changing build plates often, I’d say no. If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it 😄
Which would you recommend Troodon 2.0 Pro Mini or Voron Micron+?
I have no experience with the Micron. But the major difference is one is a kit and the other is mostly pre-assembled.
How would you say this compares to something like the P1S? I'm looking for a slightly bigger, more reliable and faster than my Creality Ender 3 V2.
I talk about that comparison towards the end of the video.
I'd love to see a product like this around the 500x500x500 ratrig
That might be hard to ship… but otherwise, would be nice for sure :)
Just because I've bought a Trident Kit last month... hahaha :(
I would love a voron but the belted Z axis doesn't appeal to me.
Voron has a Trident model with Z Rods. Hopefully LDO or Formbot eventually come out with a clone for that model.
I'm not getting their logic putting v6 and 50w limitation into that bad boy
Yeah… they should have ditched that with the pro upgrade.
Not gonna lie, i'm pretty salty about ordering a Mini 3-4 months ago for $620 to find out there is now a better one for even cheaper. Also the toolhead i got was junk so it hasn't even printed yet. At least the actual hotend in it works. Guess I'll wait and buy a new tool head once the upgrade kit comes out.
That’s always frustrating when that happens, especially so soon. Not sure what the sale price will be on the pro upgrade but hopefully not too much.
1:39 what is this interface?
Duet Web Control
@@ygk3d this is a frontend for reprap? Looks pretty slick
SV07Plus with slight tuning in Klipper + Profile can do 12:00 Benchy without drastic quality drop. ~15-16min with perfect print finish.
Limiter is cooling to have 12:00 perfect, and beyond that driver voltage.
That being said, I REALLY REALLY want to like the Troodon, but it just keeps slightly falling short for me to fork out the cash for it :(
I wish i knew reprap would've been just as good as Klipper tho, i would've probably bought a troodon already
The skew animations on the screen capture makes me a bit nauseous
i used to think sheldon and the boys were wtf.. i could only imagine this guy in the sack.. to be fair he makes 3d printers sound sexy af
I haven't a clue what to make of this comment... compliment, insult, big bang theory reference....I'm perplexed 😂