I’ve always felt Grainger sounds best with a strong low reed section and this band has one. I feel it just gives the piece a reediness and edge that keeps it from getting too smooth, imho. Awesome job!
Grainger may have understood the capabilities of the clarinet choir, contra to soprano, better than anyone. I, too, love the way he uses the low reeds.
Lincolnshire Posy is not an easy piece to play. I was in high school band almost 50 years ago when we performed it for concert/sight reading contest. We took it to state.
Heart warming performance....we can hear the true appreciation of this masterpiece from these fine musicians.....well done despite some minor "misses"...GO BLUE!
It's been a while since I last heard this composition. But I must say this performance is near the best! Whatever errors described by others, I still thoroughly enjoyed it!
4:46 Hey, it's Rufford Park Poachers "Version B" !! Listen closely - very rare to hear this version! (I read that Grainger preferred version B - perhaps because he was a soprano saxophone player himself in his Army Band days?)
As I was listening to this movement begin I immediately was shaking my head going “what?!… I don’t have perfect pitch but I could tell that it was much lower sounding than what we played in High School, like they were taking it down a fifth or something. Maybe it just sounded like that because this version leaves out the piccolo and maybe the soprano sax or something. I didn’t even know there WAS a different version. All I knew was that some groups found this movement too difficult and skipped it entirely. I’m sure I’m biased by only ever hearing and playing the “A” version, but this version just sounded too dark and muddy to my ear.
My curiosity got the better of me so I whipped out my tuning app. This version the first note of the movement is a G. The version I’m familiar with the first note is a C. So down a fourth then from “my” version. Too dark.
This band has an enormous bottom, depth and accuracy in how they play. I like the breadth they give things and I don't know if the late, great Frederick Fennell would have, but I dig it as being the way I experienced playing it almost fifty years ago.
There is a video on here of Frederick Fennell rehearsing this piece with the Navy Band. Two hours and twenty minutes later they got through a little over half of it. This is a delightful piece to play, but very very difficult to play correctly.
Not enough horn! I'm a horn player and I feel that this needs a lot more. The horn parts of this are so beautiful, but most of the time it is overshadowed by the saxes.
Interesting comment. I was thinking that this horn section is so large and strong, I really loved it. I wonder if your perception of the strength of a horn section is colored by your personal experience of sitting in the middle of a horn section when playing, so that when standing back and hearing the entire group from a distance they seem to be overwhelmed. Sort of like hearing a band through the "lens" of a horn player as opposed to an audience member.
I don’t really ever hear the term “Symphony Band” here in America. “Symphonic Band” yes. We used the term in High School to indicate the group with greater ability than “Concert Band.” It just sort of means a fuller instrumentation and perhaps more players than other types of bands. A Symphonic Orchestra would be more string-centric. A “band” of any description would tend to be pretty much all winds and percussion (though for some reason they frequently insist on having a pointless string bass which no one can hear anyway…) A “Symphony Orchestra” would be like a “String Orchestra” with the addition of some winds and percussion that many symphonies call for. I was a low brass player that always played in bands in school, but in our senior year they encouraged players to branch out just to have some fun and different musical experiences. One of my violin playing classmates got to conduct the exclusively string orchestra in Egmont Overture and I got to play bass trombone instead of my usual euphonium along with some other band members to make kind of a symphony orchestra. Very fun and a different feel to it than band.
why are there trumpets flutter tonguing at 51? edit: they also played the rhythm wrong a couple measures before the fermata. I'm too lazy to pull my music for the exact measure number
Does anyone else think the young sailor in the fourth movement was perhaps a bit too brisk and that the piece is in fact a musical portrait of premature ejaculation?
The band is highly skilled and plays well in tune overall. But the speeding-up tempo changes in the second movement strike me as highly inappropriate, detracting from the sobriety of the original song's tragic text, making it come across more like an inconsequential love song. The uncalled-for slowing in the coda of Brisk Young Sailor robs the conclusion of its whimsy, making it incomprehensible. Lord Melbourne is a war song, but here is denuded of any and all fierceness. And while the slightly too fast tempo for Lost Lady Found detracts from its songfulness, the premature and exaggerated slowing at the end of robs it of energy.
Timothy Tikker I disagree, I feel that this group played this classic wind band masterpiece with excellent balance, timing, and dynamics. Lincolnshire posy is subject to various interpretations in regards to tempo in certain sections. Well done
Timothy, I agree with some of what you are saying, and disagree with some. The 2nd movement should be flexible in tempo, as I know the singers that sang it to Grainger were very flexible in tempo (my old teacher gave me a tape of Grainger's recordings of singers doing several movements). That being said, I too thought the Trumpet Solo was way too fast. As far as the 4th movement, I also tend to slow down the "Angrily" played brass measure about 8mm from the end. And if you listen to the construction of the last chord, I'm not sure I would call it "whimsical." I thought the sections of the 5th movement that called for the war like nature of the song to be played as such (the un-metered parts). The entire 2nd "variation" is supposed to be more whimsical, the 3rd is should be reflective, and then finally back to the war-like nature. I also thought that mvt 6 was fast, and boy did it slow down as soon as the flute and alto clarinet section hit (it always does). I also thought that the abrupt cessation of motion at the end was jarring. All the being said, every conductor has their own way of doing this piece, much like every conductor has their own way of doing Beethoven's 5th. When you have a cornerstone piece like this, personal interpretation is always going to be called for.
Disastrous beginning. Otherwise very nice indeed. The only rendition that I like better is the North Texas Wind Symphony on concertbandland. Their's is not performed live. So there you go.......played this my senior year....percussion.... Thank you for the mellifluous stroll down memory lane.
Percy Grainger mined every ounce of gold found in the simple lovely song "Lost Lady Found" and this ensemble made it glitter in the sun.
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That cutaway into that horn/sax chord is pure goosebumps. A new favorite musical moment of all time!
This is an excellent performance! And the principal bassoon really stands out as a top-notch contribution.
I love that bass saxophone sound.
Amazing recording. As a wind music enthusiast, this is the kind of quality I like to hear.
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I’ve always felt Grainger sounds best with a strong low reed section and this band has one.
I feel it just gives the piece a reediness and edge that keeps it from getting too smooth, imho.
Awesome job!
Grainger may have understood the capabilities of the clarinet choir, contra to soprano, better than anyone. I, too, love the way he uses the low reeds.
Grainger always sounds better when lows are more pronounced. He’s weird like that.
The anti-climax of the second movement just nails it even before the third movement gets all messy like quicksand.
I can’t express how much I love it.
Although I could’ve used more low brass. Still this left me wanting more.
They have great haircuts
nice observation? lol
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Man this takes me back.
Beautiful concert hall, good looking band, great rendition of this classic masterpiece!
OOF that beginning
Other than that good though
Oof
Lincolnshire Posy is not an easy piece to play. I was in high school band almost 50 years ago when we performed it for concert/sight reading contest. We took it to state.
My symphonic band last year took this piece to states and got superiors as well! Love this peace so much.
IKR! We tried to play this in High School band back in 1980. I think our entire trumpet section (me included) were lost during most of it lol.
@@Church-gg I love peace and this piece too - ex HS French Horn, 2nd chair
Im playing this one in middle school
We are taking it this year I’m on double bass
Heart warming performance....we can hear the true appreciation of this masterpiece from these fine musicians.....well done despite some minor "misses"...GO BLUE!
Gah i miss playing in college ensemble. Best times of my life. Interesting solo interpretations too.
It's been a while since I last heard this composition. But I must say this performance is near the best! Whatever errors described by others, I still thoroughly enjoyed it!
It’s been a while since I have listened to this. What a treat. Grainger was a master of instrumentation. N0
Bass sax sounds great!
Very nice, unfortunately the trumpets were a bit late at the very beginning.
Also....the trumpet solo was WAY too fast!
I love that Grainger’s climax is like slipping on a banana peel.. like it’s so wrong. I love the man.
I can't describe how beautiful Rufford Park Poachers is. Just wonderful, and as a sax player. . . I can't stop listening.
4:46 Hey, it's Rufford Park Poachers "Version B" !! Listen closely - very rare to hear this version! (I read that Grainger preferred version B - perhaps because he was a soprano saxophone player himself in his Army Band days?)
tbh b sounds better to me
Version B is definitely much more common than Version A. sorry bro
As I was listening to this movement begin I immediately was shaking my head going “what?!… I don’t have perfect pitch but I could tell that it was much lower sounding than what we played in High School, like they were taking it down a fifth or something. Maybe it just sounded like that because this version leaves out the piccolo and maybe the soprano sax or something. I didn’t even know there WAS a different version. All I knew was that some groups found this movement too difficult and skipped it entirely.
I’m sure I’m biased by only ever hearing and playing the “A” version, but this version just sounded too dark and muddy to my ear.
My curiosity got the better of me so I whipped out my tuning app. This version the first note of the movement is a G. The version I’m familiar with the first note is a C. So down a fourth then from “my” version. Too dark.
2nd movement,very nice playing, very good intonation and dynamics
good balance
Beautiful musical performance with this piece that I discover with great pleasure!
Thank you very much and very cordially.
This band has an enormous bottom, depth and accuracy in how they play. I like the breadth they give things and I don't know if the late, great Frederick Fennell would have, but I dig it as being the way I experienced playing it almost fifty years ago.
The last movement was my favourite, very nice interpretation ^^
HAIL HAIL to the French horns :-)
My current band director is in there on Euphonium :)
Plot twist the bassoons came in early
JFLY the bassoons were right on, the trumpet was late.
for Libson?
@@HarryRSMusic1298 yes, at the very beginning
Yeah…if you’re watching the conductor, trumpets were late 😂
So nice - one of my favorites.
awesome bassoons
There is a video on here of Frederick Fennell rehearsing this piece with the Navy Band. Two hours and twenty minutes later they got through a little over half of it. This is a delightful piece to play, but very very difficult to play correctly.
Brian Baumgarn facts. I played it at all eastern honor band this year. Difficult, but great payoff
horns sound great at 2:00
no they dont
We get to hear Version B of Rufford Park!
Because of a fabulous soprano saxophonist. A highly overlooked instrument in modern concert repertoire.
False start...come on kids! Nice recovery though!
14:48 le best part ever
its verry annoying to play tho
Enjoyable...as most of Grainger's music is.
Baritone gang?
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tight opening
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Kudos for breaking out an alto clarinet for this.
C trumpets. Is this an orchestra?
Wow 6:50 what a place to squeak 😬 nice performance 👌
Gabriel Hanna yeah I got a kick outta that one
Ahhhh! How can you forget to have the Soprano Sax player stand before the rest of the band too!!
Greatest piece a soprano sax player can play in my opinion!
why would the rush the second movementtttttt
Yes....the 2nd movement lost its power because of the fast tempo.....
Not enough horn! I'm a horn player and I feel that this needs a lot more. The horn parts of this are so beautiful, but most of the time it is overshadowed by the saxes.
8. 8 horns. That's a lot of horns. I think I played Lincolnshire Posy on this stage, too.
Interesting comment. I was thinking that this horn section is so large and strong, I really loved it. I wonder if your perception of the strength of a horn section is colored by your personal experience of sitting in the middle of a horn section when playing, so that when standing back and hearing the entire group from a distance they seem to be overwhelmed. Sort of like hearing a band through the "lens" of a horn player as opposed to an audience member.
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This song is very challenging but my middle school band came through and it was amazing and beginning band was amazed
C trumpets are a no-no for wind band. You are changing the timbre for what reason?
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Please and thank you: What is the difference between a "Symphony Band" and a "Symphonic Orchestra"?
I don’t really ever hear the term “Symphony Band” here in America. “Symphonic Band” yes. We used the term in High School to indicate the group with greater ability than “Concert Band.” It just sort of means a fuller instrumentation and perhaps more players than other types of bands. A Symphonic Orchestra would be more string-centric. A “band” of any description would tend to be pretty much all winds and percussion (though for some reason they frequently insist on having a pointless string bass which no one can hear anyway…)
A “Symphony Orchestra” would be like a “String Orchestra” with the addition of some winds and percussion that many symphonies call for.
I was a low brass player that always played in bands in school, but in our senior year they encouraged players to branch out just to have some fun and different musical experiences. One of my violin playing classmates got to conduct the exclusively string orchestra in Egmont Overture and I got to play bass trombone instead of my usual euphonium along with some other band members to make kind of a symphony orchestra. Very fun and a different feel to it than band.
yikes, that beginning was scary :o
Bravo. The technical challenges were approached confidently and much of the Solo work easily up to professional concert platform standard.
why are there trumpets flutter tonguing at 51?
edit: they also played the rhythm wrong a couple measures before the fermata. I'm too lazy to pull my music for the exact measure number
The communist bs I wouldn't trust this
Nice entrance........😂
Rough start.
This really should be played on cornet, not C trumpet...
Polot W
The conductor was probably a little scared on the first 1.5 to 2 measures lol - great job overall though!
Does anyone else think the young sailor in the fourth movement was perhaps a bit too brisk and that the piece is in fact a musical portrait of premature ejaculation?
peter owen LMAO
Too fast yup
Mmmm
The band is highly skilled and plays well in tune overall. But the speeding-up tempo changes in the second movement strike me as highly inappropriate, detracting from the sobriety of the original song's tragic text, making it come across more like an inconsequential love song. The uncalled-for slowing in the coda of Brisk Young Sailor robs the conclusion of its whimsy, making it incomprehensible. Lord Melbourne is a war song, but here is denuded of any and all fierceness. And while the slightly too fast tempo for Lost Lady Found detracts from its songfulness, the premature and exaggerated slowing at the end of robs it of energy.
Timothy Tikker I disagree, I feel that this group played this classic wind band masterpiece with excellent balance, timing, and dynamics. Lincolnshire posy is subject to various interpretations in regards to tempo in certain sections. Well done
Timothy, I agree with some of what you are saying, and disagree with some. The 2nd movement should be flexible in tempo, as I know the singers that sang it to Grainger were very flexible in tempo (my old teacher gave me a tape of Grainger's recordings of singers doing several movements). That being said, I too thought the Trumpet Solo was way too fast.
As far as the 4th movement, I also tend to slow down the "Angrily" played brass measure about 8mm from the end. And if you listen to the construction of the last chord, I'm not sure I would call it "whimsical."
I thought the sections of the 5th movement that called for the war like nature of the song to be played as such (the un-metered parts). The entire 2nd "variation" is supposed to be more whimsical, the 3rd is should be reflective, and then finally back to the war-like nature.
I also thought that mvt 6 was fast, and boy did it slow down as soon as the flute and alto clarinet section hit (it always does). I also thought that the abrupt cessation of motion at the end was jarring.
All the being said, every conductor has their own way of doing this piece, much like every conductor has their own way of doing Beethoven's 5th. When you have a cornerstone piece like this, personal interpretation is always going to be called for.
Tikker Tikker, i beg to differ
The second movement is not meant to be played slow. Grave but not SLOW.
Disastrous beginning. Otherwise very nice indeed. The only rendition that I like better is the North Texas Wind Symphony on concertbandland. Their's is not performed live. So there you go.......played this my senior year....percussion.... Thank you for the mellifluous stroll down memory lane.
Don't hate me but I'm not a fan of the conducting style 😅
Average for an ensemble of this age/level. Lots of flubbed entrances, poor intonation. Nice in spots, sloppy in others.
please shut up.
band good
kameraführung not good >:(
von aus Nevertheless no dislike :)
Bravo. The technical challenges were approached confidently and much of the Solo work easily up to professional concert platform standard.
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