In Defense of the Leaked Lego Orient Express
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 ต.ค. 2023
- The 2023 Lego Ideas Orient Express set was leaked on October 11th, 2023. I have never seen the Lego Train community so polarized over this release, and the negative opinions are loud and harsh. Yes, the Lego company did change it up from the source material, but are we left with something good? In this joint script penned by Glenn Holland and myself, we put our defense of the set to you. Hope you enjoy.
Music: Always Sunny... wasn't making money off of this anyways so copyrighted Heinz Kiessling music go brrrr.
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Yes the set has been officially announced. This video is now effectively obsolete and I’m drafting up my thoughts for a follow up.
Dude......it's not going to be working with the power up functions...
@@bearmanpig1130 aware.
@@ToledoRailslet me rephrase that do to me sounding like a little whiny brat which I'm not. With all due respect, in my opinion the engine looks fantastic and it is and I understand the changes that they made because lo and behold we had some new information that Lego kind of couldn't control so they had to do what they had to do. Maybe it can be power functional if the tender and perhaps an extra carriage be made? Or have an entire coach with two battery packs and two powered up bogies?
@@bearmanpig1130 legos imposed limitation will perfectly intersect with the community’s creativity. I’ll power it one way or another
the thing is, even the tender is more impressive than the actual loc. The locomotive literally is a stripped down/downsized version of the emerald night. After 14 years of waiting for a new proper steamtrain you can't blame the fans for just wanting something AT LEAST on par with the emerald night. Because with all these years of new elements I'm sure they had the ability to, although the 2nd coach might have given them a restricted parts budget.
Watched all 7 mins and i have to disagree with you, my biggest problem with this set its the lack of continuity. The coaches are great, they are a very faithful representation of the real orient express coaches, the designers clearly put a lot of effort into them. The engine on the other hand looks cartoonish with goofy proportions and isn't based on any engine that ran with this train. I don't think fans were expecting a MOC like locomotive, i certainly wasn't, lego has to cut corners and I figured the locomotive was gonna be dumbed down. However at the very least they should have gone with a different wheel layout that the engines pulling this iconic train had (i mean come on we already have gotten so many 4-6-0 locos) and they should have at least gotten the color right. This set had the potential to go down in history as one of the best train sets lego has produced like the horizon express, emerald night, Maersk, or the latest croco loco.
Yes, the locomotive has to be dumbed down. Lego sets has strict criteria (price, part count) which define the contents of any set, not the other way around. It's also important to remember that the OE never had dedicated locomotives. A conglomeration-style locomotive is a little more appropriate then. Still, if you don't like it, don't buy it, OR buy it and modify it to suit your fancy. The latter option seems to fit with Lego's recent mentality on train sets: offer a good starting point which at the same time encourages creativity.
Lego has given us a lot of 4-6-0 locomotive I'll give you that, but many of those have been extra (unneeded?) iterations of the Hogwarts Express - a 4-6-0 is accurate to the real HE. Lone Ranger train was a 4-6-0, accurate to that film as well. 4-6-0's, I believe, pulled the OE. It's a wheel arrangement that Lego is familiar with and is likely more comfortable with. I don't think "another 4-6-0" is a fair complaint. If it's not broken, why fix it?
@@GlennHolland It never had dedicated locomotives, but in my 10 mins of research i only found the OE running with black or dark green locomotives, im not saying dark blue is a bad color its just a weird and i think unnecessary change since the person who submitted the model clearly envisioned it with a dark green engine.
while 4-6-0 is not broken, i dont think its a lot to ask for lego to add some variety into steamers. they are clearly capable of designing locomotives with unusual wheel layouts (crocodile loco) so doing something like a 4-6-2 would probably be pretty easy for them.
It is possible that people may not have appreciated a black steam engine (my experience with awards supports this idea) and it's possible that the change in locomotive design may have necessitated the change in color. I do agree that I would like to see a dark green engine, being the accuracy-craving person I am.
I believe the part count constraint is to blame for the size of the engine. The addition of a second coach and keeping the display track may have required a smaller locomotive - which likely pushed Lego to keep the common 4-6-0.
Of course this is some speculation but it seems reasonable to me, at least. Lego is not the kind of company to just "make decisions." They're calculated at every step.
@@GlennHolland I agree with you on your first point its possible that lego went for this colour bc they thought it was more appealing to the public.
While the part count could be the thing to blame for the small engine I still find it odd that they decided to shave some parts of the engine instead of the coaches or tender, since its a licensed product with OE my guess is they insisted highly detailed coaches so lego had to remove stuff from the engine .
While lego is very calculated with the way they do things, both you and I know that they still make mistakes and make sets that just flop, i would love to see the sales figures on the UCS HE 😶
@@_LLevi_ Indeed - not perfect, but far from reckless with decisions.
Looking forward to the set and fan mods. Nice to hear your perspective as well.
They actually made the coaches 8 studs wide. How can this not be a win?
IKR!
People out here acting like they'd have gladly paid $700 for a lego set.
My only issue with this set is the loco, and I only have my issues because I’ve seen what lego can do (nearly 15 years ago) with the Emerald Night and am holding them to the standard that they set! The proportions are soooo cartoonish. The details may be well fabricated, but when I turn my head to this on a shelf I’m going to think it’s a friend of Thomas the Tank and not the Orient Express. A lot of the positives you pointed out in the video I wholeheartedly agree on! But the proportions of the engine are just something I haven’t heard a justification on that I agree with
I happen to like cartoonish proportions when it comes to steam engines, so this set is perfect for me.
If only they released Thomas lol
Well emerald night had surprisingly cartoonish large boiler...
If that thing is a gresley a2, them everything is...
So a chunky, disproportionate LNER A3 with European fittings and an American-style tender is your standard for perfection, but a chunky, disproportionate Bavarian S 3/5 without outlandish international features is cartoonish?
I have to say I agree on some points and respectfully disagree on others, I think the biggest appeal of voting for this set was a large, high detail locomotive based on a real one that could work as both a display piece and running around the standard L gauge track unlike the UCS Hogwarts Express from earlier this year.
Something we haven't seen Lego do since the likes of the Emerald Night, Horizon Express or Maersk set, not even mentioning how it'd be nice to see different wheel arrangements for a change.
While I have started to change my initial thoughts on the set and it does seem a little charming and quaint, it just doesn't _look_ like a $300 display set than it does a regular train set, or as many have pointed out an almost exact recolour of the smaller Hogwarts Express from the recent Hogsmead station set but with connecting rods and a few small changes (like the lack of a large firebox or wheel arches.)
I can understand why they made some changes to the coaches so they handle tighter curves and I have to say they still look nice and retain their looks on par with the submission, however the locomotive just really doesn't fare as well.
I think one of the saving grace elements of this literally could've been as simple as making it a European 4-6-2 instead of a British like 4-6-0, because we've never seen any other wheel arrangement from Lego since the Crocodile locomotive.
Considering the loco was the biggest draw of this set for me, to say the drastic changes to this sets biggest appeal to me (and many other loco fans I've seen) are a let down would be quite an understatement.
I was hoping this set to be more on par with the aforementioned Crocodile loco set, high in detail and based on the real prototypes but not so large it can't fit on L gauge track, however the result.. well, yeah.. not really fair in comparison is it?
It is cute, sure, but that's not what I was expecting from this set, let alone one that costs the same amount as sets like the Ecto 1, BTTF Delorean or Starry Night ect.
I've seen some suggest this change was made so it looks more like the locomotive on the cover of "Murder on the Orient Express" which while I do see, it's simultaneously the issue..
I voted for a big high detail French 231 4-6-2, not a cartoonish almost British like 4-6-0 from a book, and the fact that a majority of recent comments on the original Lego Ideas page are saying similar really says that I'm not the only one thinking this.
I did hear this set has been delayed though, so I'm holding on to that small ammount of hope that perhaps we may get a slight alteration, even if it's a small redesign of the loco or a different wheel arrangement.
In defence of British trains, there are no British trains that look like that blue one.
The locomotive comes close to one of Compagnie des chemins de fer de l’Est blue ones. There is a picture on Wikipedia which looks not too far off from the Lego model: Locomotive compound 230 Est 3175 (série 3171 à 3180), 1910.
I understand the concerns about the locomotive, but man those coaches are beautiful.
THIS SET IS EVEN WORSE THAN THE HOGWARTS EXPRESS
My only qualm with the final set is the length of the locomotive, its just a little to short, but hey im not going to say no to a new train
Could Lego have made a simpler version of the original design? Of course, they don't have any excuse there. That said, there were many different locomotives that pulled the Orient express, so it would be cool if it's still based off a real locomotive, even if it's different from the original.
And that my point with it.
The Orient Express set that was leaked on October 11, 2023 looks like an amusement park train
What parks have you been to that have fully enclosed coaches and a 4-6-0? I want to go there!
I don't care what anyone says about the locomotive.
It's cute and I love it for that.
I think the final design is fine. I believe the coaches are very nice, and it’s super nice to see 2 coaches represented. I think the set is nice, and I think the simplicity point in the build for the average buyer is a good point I haven’t seen anyone bring up yet. I do however believe that they could have at least stayed a bit closer to the original design for the locomotive. Overall I think it’s a solid change from the original, but I do hope that the original designer approves, because it was clear how much passion was put into the original proposal
The 2 coaches are nice but I was hoping the train would basically be like the Harry potter train but one that operates.
I love it. especially the tie rods. a new part that works great with the train wheels. finally.
When I saw it I thought “Blue steam train, sign me up!”
For me im hopping they redesgin the engine with the delays happening with it. Over all everything else is spot on. Im also glad that lego is moving into 8 stud engines with moc Creator using 8 studs as standard. I think the future for lego vehicles in general is gonna be big (no pun intended)
No delay, no redesign. This is what we’re getting.
Maybe they desgin it like this becuase of copyright by scnf or lack of reference images
The target audience for this set is absolutly not the average adult, it's for enthusiasts, because it was voted by LEGO Fans to 10000 votes, not average adults, thus the target demographic is the people who voted for this set. And they did not vote for a recoloured 75955 as a engine. The wagons are nice and after all those years Lego finally understood that people what more than just one car.
Agreed, lego wasted a lot of potential with this one
There's no doubt this is an excellent looking set! There are 2 coaches and no station, an absolute win! New proper rods?! Another win! But it must be said that firstly, the use of last year's H.E wheels could at least be used on this and the funding of a new mould could be used to make a blind version of that wheel type. The other existing lego brand wheels can totally fit. Whilst many along with myself agree with lego seeing train fans as too niche, and this set IS good, it will forever be looked at as a set that got the engine wrong and many along with myself will not care for it (but for me it's more so it's £300 or so and I don't have that money to splash out). And yes we can mod it but it's about the fact we're being given something we didn't ask for. What does the designer think of this?! We HAVE to get his views on this!
And I think the possibility of motorizing this is another win! ;-)
Good point. One issue that I’ve seen circulated is that the set is trademarked under the Orient Express Company, which just has the coaches and runs behind anything. It’s not that far of a stretch to wonder if they dictated a generic locomotive to match the coaches and not take away from it
....so what about that community post luke. Change of mind I guess
@@kingkoopa64 Yep. I've given myself more time to look it over and 'some' things in my post are now outdated
@@TritonBrickRailway yeah. There's a important lesson to be said about this. Think before you say, that's something alot of people on the internet should learn
The coaches look great. I’m not a fan of the engine but it is what it is. As for the mouldking stuff, I’ve had reasonable luck with their trains. Got some good runners out of those sets. The magic castle runs great, reasonable speed and decent pulling power with variable speed control. Both QJ’s I own also run nicely after modding the control system to include more adjustable speed control. Part of me wants to get the orient express from them to see if it’s good.
The engine is a bit small. Lego could easily have bumped it up 200-300 pieces and still has the $300 price tag
I voted for this because I wanted a display piece, not a childish representation of a locomotive
I get the reasons why they have to change and simplify a fan model before turning into a commercial product.
The designers managed to make a simple yet outstanding steam loco back in 2009 with EMERALD NIGHT and that set a standard.
The Orient Express locomotive should have been the center piece but it looks like something they hastily came up with the few pieces they had left laying around.
And yes, it might fit the tracks but it cannot be motorized.
Great video, very thoughtful arguments. If it was just a matter of Lego making a generic nice-looking train, this set would be a slam dunk win for the average consumer.
But this is not just any train, it’s a specific train, the Orient Express. Therefore, Lego had some duty to actually attempt to deliver something that actually looks like a prestige express engine. A 4-6-0 simply doesn’t fit the bill. (Yes I know that the OE brand relates to the carriages not the locomotive, my point still stands).
This looks to actually have a real life counterpart, and that locomotive is the 10 wheeler 230 G 353. That engine has a 4-6-0 wheel arrangement just like in the set, but what makes this different is that was the engine seen hauling the orient the express in Murder on the Orient express from 1974, so I don’t see that this is a generic 4-6-0 locomotive.
@@giladjacob1771 It actually looks like german P8 locomotive used for local passenger trains.
I agree! The coaches are beautifully done. Especially how it is an official licensed set by the Orient Express. The locomotive could be a little better. I feel like the boiler is a little too big for the type of locomotive you would see. Whilst I understand LEGO will never produce a set as detailed as us AFOL Train Builders, this seems like a great set. Probably a great chance for us AFOLs to modify it. Honestly speaking, the first time i saw the set, I was thoroughly upset (seeing how it deviated from the IDEAS design) but after a couple of days of looking at it and thinking from LEGO point of view, it just makes sense.
I would be interested in knowing what requirements, if any, the French state railway put on the Lego design.
I Imagine we’ll get some more information when it’s officially announced.
AFAIK the Compagnie Générale des Wagons-Lits is not part of SCNF so I guess they don't get to put requirements at all? Might be wrong tho of course
The designer achieved the "victory" to see his creation become a twisted shadow of what he designed and everybody liked.
I'm one of those average Lego fans that just wants to build a Lego train and I think this is gorgeous 😅
Its Henry in his blue paint from The Railway Series.
"I wanted an Atlantic, and that ______ sent me this!"
- Sir Topham Hatt
It's really only the locomotive that just looks awful to me. It feels like it's been compressed in length and just looks weird. Sure we can modify sets but this would be a complete replacement to look ok next to the wonderful carriages and tender
Well, Abomination Express display model also had a track width of 7 studs, instead of 6. I found that to be a very unfortunate decision. At least these new waggons are 8 studs wide, and that is an improvement.
Lego needs to make new train wheel moulds eventually. If they can make an individual dual moulded head for every bloody simpsons character they can make brand new locomotive train wheels!
Finally some 9L thin connecting rods!!!
And now they announced the set is a display piece and too heavy to be powered, brilliant 😂😂😂
Good thing it still can take standard L-Gauge track. Powering it won’t be hard at all.
We are finnaly going to get new side rods
Lego was disrespectful for destroying what the guy had made and making a toy like set out of it.
Just came across this video from Google when searching for "Lego Orient Express release date" as the leaks had suggested it was due to be a November release. I clicked on the video as I was surprised that the set would even need a 'defence'. It's very likely that I'll be buying this set. It'll be my first Lego train (although I did have a monorail set as a kid and my kids now have a Duplo train). I'll be buying the set because I think it looks fantastic. It'll largely be sitting on a shelf but I love the fact that it can run too and I would have been disappointed if it couldn't. Just thought I'd chime in as someone that is not a Lego trains fan and isn't a usual viewer of the channel. :)
And I appreciate you stopping by! Regardless of court of public opinion there’s no doubt Lego will get the job done right for this set. You’ll have an excellent train to re-enter you into the hobby however deep you want to go.
I do think its a damn fine looking train, and as someone who doesn't own any lego trains this might end up being my first. However, I do wish they had managed to scale down the same engine from the proposal to make it fit the tracks as opposed to going with a completely different looking engine. Sure it can be modified, but that's always a bit of a hassle especially considering just how different the two engines look. Like I said, this one is by no means bad, I personally just find the other engine to be better looking and more authentic.
although I do agree that LEGO is making a smart decision by making a working train, it would be nice to have one with more detail. Perhaps a LEGO scale E2?
This is the first Lego train in ages I’ve even considered buying. I think it’s super sexy in the blue and gold. The loco is a little short in my opinion but I’ll just build it a little bigger. Gonna pick this up when it’s also double points weekend.
I will buy this train. It’s great for a city or a mid 20th century history display
Personally, for me, it doesn't really matter that Lego changed the design from the source. Yes, the source material was beautiful and incredible, but I'm more interested in Lego just making a train set. Something other than the modern trains we get in the City Theme. As long as Lego makes a steam loco, I'll be happy. Even more so if it actually runs.
The coaches for the set are actually really well made, my only critique would be the blue colors being too bright. otherwise they look pretty solid. I think most of the hate is directed at the locomotive itself. While I do support Lego's decision to make the train compatible with their track instead of a shelf queen like the original model, they could have at least attempted to make it look like the original (Dark green color, smoke deflectors, etc.), this would make it resemble the SNCF 230.G Class 4-6-0 which, if I recall, also hauled the OE. The MouldKing version of the OE looks super sweet and I might buy that instead depending on the price.
Great video, good to get this perspective from you and Glenn! 👌 Personally, I think if the loco had been in a different darker shade to the carriages, it may have helped, either Dark Green, maybe Olive, even Dark Red or similar... I also feel the proportions would have looked substantially better if the engine was 2 or 4 studs longer, it seems * stumpy * ... idk, the fundamentals of the design makes sense from a logical standpoint for R40 curves and switches, I love the carriages, I just wish the loco stood out a bit more - something that is still possible within Lego's strict stability guidelines! 😊👍
Adding length to that engine would have made it worse... a lot of unnecessary extra length sticking out behind the drivers is wasteful and difficult to fill with even half-decent detail, not to mention quickly drives up part count. I'm not surprised Lego stuck to a smaller engine in this case, especially considering the need for the display base and higher part count in the car with details and such.
The boiler has to be fat because (I believe) they'll have gears and space for a motor. You can't easily build a smaller boiler than that in a case like this. Trust me, I've tried. It gets too complicated for a Lego set very quickly.
Thanks for this more nuanced discussion! I agree that the most important consideration was that it actually run on regular LEGO track, rather than sit still as a dust-collecting display piece. However, I do kind of wish the engine looked more like the Emerald Night.
This set really looks nice. I would love to have a set like this run around a Christmas tree. I totally agree with the decision to make this runnable. I think I would buy this set over the original.
It’s a nice stylish steam train for a retro city or a holiday train
If I may, I'm in the camp where I basically think that the engine could use a touch-up or two but otherwise the set looks good.
You can still make a more detailed locomotive and still be easy to build, Lego can just add more details to the model as is that can fix it
I like trains, but I'm far from a train nerd, I think this set is created for people like me and I love it.
A slight rebuttal to the complexity arguement of steam train models: Lego has shown that in their adult oriented sets, they are more than comfortable using complex building techniques. Why would they be comfortable selling hundereds of technic sets with advanced, interlocking mechanical systems that turn wheels, change gear ratios, or activate other functions, but would be scared of a few connecting rods and mechanical details on the side of a locomotive?
The fact it's called the Orient express is the issue. It's like selling a Lego Bugatti then opening it and seeing it's a ford instead. It's not the same vehicle if they sold this separately as it's own thing I think fans could be a lot happier.
It's going to be my Christmas tree locomotive.
It is a really nice model. There are just two things that I wish would have been different. The first being that they stuck with the original train design, but modified it so that it could run on standard tracks. The second would be making the engine they did make slightly bigger to fit the price tag of the model. I would’ve liked to have an engine that could easily stand alone as an 80 to 100 dollar set.
When I look at trains now, they must meet three things for me to consider purchase, those being shelf quality, complication, and interest. No model train actually meets all three except for Lego City trains.
Funny Lego City Trains meet 0 out of those three requirements for me.
Supposedly another reason for the change of the model was by the Orient express company themselves apparently they wanted it to look more how they envision it, so that might be another reason why it was changed.
I can understand people are disappointed after voting for something specific, and the fact the set is not a realistic representation but as a young adult that just got back into LEGO I much prefer the final result, It just looks a lot more fun to build and the amount of carriages is really nice. Interesting color bricks, new pieces and the fact it's not just a display piece but can drive too is really selling it for me, I will definitely be picking this set up when it drops
The cars are nice. But I think they failed on the locomotive. I understand the idea version can’t run, but a better idea is to make a version of the idea version locomotive and make it able to work. It will be a down grade yeah, but it will look better than we got. Or they could find another engine that pulled the Orient Express (which is there a ton of them) and do that instead.
Locomotive is too small. They could have added 2-300 pieces and still hit the $300 price tag
Hear me out: a LGO UCS set centered on the Great Locomotive Chase.
It would be a set with a 4-4-0 “General,” a 4-4-0 “Texas,” and minifigs representing James J. Andrews and Conductor William Fuller.
If they’re worried about it steering to close to real life history, they could always make it based off of the 1956 Disney Classic film (the film everyone forgot existed).
Design it and submit it to Lego Ideas!
The only thing I care about is the fact we might actually be getting a Lego steam train for once lol
You made an excellent video and I agree with you, but I wouldn't mind paying a bit more for a better steam engine. LEGO showed us that it can do better with trains with their own parts (I'm talking about the emerald night and the crocodile). I also got a bit disappointed with the fact that it's branded with the modern Orient Express and not with the CIWL like the original set but even I admit that's a bit too much 😅. Btw that tender is perfect!
Hopefully more LEGO Ideas train projects will become real sets
Lego, just release a train subtheme again, my wallet will cry if you do
I'm fine with the color change, love the addition of the second car, and fully support any changes to make the set workable for standard lego track. I really just wish they made the engine an inch or so longer. Also, will they please just start selling individual train cars!!
6:55 What was the one set from 25 years ago whose special pieces nearly ruined the company??
Why the heck did they completely change it into something entirely different?
would have been an opportunity to introduce larger drivers since LEGO is going all in on adult sets.
Very good points, excited to see the final product come out
I remember the magic I felt walking into the Lego store on Thanksgiving 2009 and seeing the Emerald Night among others like the Grand Carousel and Cafe Corner. I picked up an EN without second thought. 14 years later and staring unsatisfied at my Crocodile, I'm still waiting for a set to top it.
-Edit: Lego Trains were never a niche. They're synonymous with the company; being there nearly since the beginning. As much as Lego wants it to be a niche, it's one of the largest non-Star Wars markets and definitely the most neglected side of the community.
Still Wished they approved the VIA Rail lego set
My argument is that while yes, the average lego consumer may not want to build a moc level loco. But if that's the case, then just like how they have ucs sets and regular sets, create something intricate and detailed for those who care and enjoy to go the extra mile. At the very least they could just give the train needs better parts to utilize for mocs
I like both versions and will be getting one for my collection
I will admit, at first i felt super betrayed by lego for making such a huge change to the original idea. i was extremely excited to get such a cool detailed lego train set that the original just straight up spoiled my expectations. So the moment i saw the leak, i was devastated to say the least. compared to the fan design, the official design looked puny and uninteresting. but looking back at the leaked photos now, i'm 100% down for this set. as a train enthusiast and a huge lego fan, this is still a HUGE win and i'm super excited for it all over again
its still a 4-6-0 instead of a 4-6-2, making it a completely different locomotive. im willing to overlook the lack of detail as long as they can get the wheel count right
I’m sorry, but this is Thomas, the orient express…
The Thomas set wasn't approved by Lego Ideas... if you're looking for the little blue tank engine, Block Junction sells wonderful instructions for how to build him!
Just looking at the loco I can't see how stretching it by 4-5 tiles to add a pair of trailing wheels would significantly increase the part count, but it would certainly make it look a while lot nicer and more interesting! As would changing the color to dark green (or possibly red/brown? Haven't done any research into what colors OE locos usually were).
But I have to say those carriages look gorgeous - I'd frankly consider buying the set _without_ the loco just for those!
I'm certainly keen to get this set! Maybe 2 If I can afford it. It's great to see a nice simple steam engine set with 2 coaches from Lego
You've definitely changed my mind I wasn't very happy as I loved the idea but after the said points in the video I can get onboard....pun intended
There are some very good arguments here and I think you definitely made a very good point, detail nerds are not the target audience here. At the same time, I do think the kit would have been greatly improved if they had just made the loco a little bit longer so it seemed more proportional to the carriages. I mean, it looks a bit cartoonish, as another commenter said. If Lego had just bulked it out a little more so it at least maybe had the same wheel layout as the original, then I don't think people have complained anywhere near as much. Great video! I approve.
I agree that it should be in-scale with other Lego trains. The issue is how far of a departure this is from the locomotive. Lego could’ve designed something more in line with the original submission in this scale that pays more respect to the original designer. The biggest issue, however, is how glaringly off the proportions of this locomotive are. It’s too short and stubby. The Emerald Night’s proportions were spot-on, and even though it came out 10+ years ago and has one less car, it cost about a quarter of the price that this one does. I just don’t know how to rectify this costing almost $400 with such a poorly-designed locomotive. If they’d at least gotten that part right, I could forgive everything else. Seriously a miss from Lego, honestly.
Set will retail for $300, but regardless it would look proportional to the Crocodile, Disney Train, and fan created 8-wide trains. A vast majority of fans have moved away from the "City Scale" 6-wide models. Proportionally it looks right enough to a 4--6-0, those tended to be more squat.
I gotta say, this must really suck for the people who backed this. It's a completely different Train! But, for me if this is an affordable price. I might actually get this. I was getting back, or, thinking of getting back into model railroading, but it was too expensive, and takes up room. A LEGO train is perfect! It's large yeah, but I can disassemble it.
It's still a fine looking train. I will have my eyes open for it indeed.
4:34 holy crap these have come a long way since I last paid attention. Those box cars look like straight up scale models. Are kits/instructions and parts lists for those cars and locomotives available anywhere???
Most of those are Brick Model Railroader kits!
The loco is a bit of a let down, but the coaches are awesome. And I’m really glad it’ll run on L-gauge.
Cant wait to buy it
I know lots of people are unhappy about the orient Express train itself however, from what I understand (And I am only really knowable on British Locomotives.) the one included seams to have distinct hints of Finnish steam engines, whilst remaining somewhat generic meaning that it could, in theory represent any engine that would pull the express in any amount of countries.
There's a theory that the redesign and color of the locomotive was dictated by Orient Express company to match their locomotives. Finnish is a new place I haven't looked for a potential prototype. I was looking at German or Austrian prototypes for inspiration.
The thing is, it looks nothing like the ideas winner. They didn’t take the design, they took the idea.
They took the idea on Lego ideas!?🤯
@@ToledoRails 😂
After I watching this video I totally agree with everything you had said. Like I was a little disappointed when I saw it, but I honestly don't care cause at least we have the set now.
I think it looks pretty great! I don't know much about trains tho, so my only complaint is that the engine definitely looks too short. But I'd imagine it would be fairly easy to lengthen it and I'm sure there'll be mods out for it in no time. I'll likely get it (depending on the price...)
I can imagine buying two of these and building a caboose for the end!! That would be sweet! Now I just need the $$$$! 😮
To be honest
I like this even though it's changed mainly because it can actually move and doesn't look half bad
Not the first time Lego did not keep their promise. The set is a far cry from what we had expected, void of any prototype. Again, Lego is showing their disrespect for the brick railway modeller. A company ignoring their customer base and prefers to shower their competition with law suits will los in the long run.
First of all the idea that was submitted, does not look like the Orient-Express. I think Lego is doing due justice and making it look like the Orient express, regardless of what the guy submitted, if you look at the actual train sets that came out for the Orient express they look just like the one that Lego is making which is much better and also it is operated on the regular tracks unlike the one that was coming out which would just sit there, so you can feel any kind of way you want, don’t buy it if you don’t like it and don’t complain, this is the thing that trips me out, they’re bricks, design it your damn self you have that option.
Basically, I feel that you’re not a fan of Lego because you can get up here and just tear Lego them down instead of being optimistic. Your comment literally sucks though it is your opinion OK but I get so tired of the disrespect towards Lego, when these are just bricks that you can get up here and design any kind of way you want. Use your imagination! There’s no need for the negativity.
@@michellewhitley8668I’m not spending 300 dollars for a set different than the one I voted for. It’s still seems like a good set but is it still worth 300 dollars??? It no longer fulfills the conditions of my support of the original idea and therefore there’s no longer a guarantee I will buy the finished product. That’s why LEGO shouldn’t be surprised that people who voted for the idea may not buy it, something that costs 300 dollars. And why would they keep the 300 dollar tag if the train has a simplified, more childish design? Why would the average consumer buy this when there’s plenty of cheaper options available like the Hogwarts Express which also looks similar? When the price tag is that high they have to produce exactly what people want in order to avoid creating commercial flops like the bigger Hogwarts Express. I am quite frankly a little dissapointed because I have waited 2 years for an Emerald Night 2.0 and not a Hogwarts Express 2.0. But who knows, maybe the train is more decent than from the looks of it…
1:00 lmao, they really made a picture of him holding that thomas the tankengine looking piece of trash like its some insane collectors item and not a piece of plastic built for 2 year olds XD
Call it what you want, just not the Orient Express.
Well it’s officially under license by the orient express company and the coaches are spot on so… I’m going to call it the orient express.
OK, it's been 7 months. What's that alternative model you wanted to compare it to? The one at the end of the video.
I’m waiting for a year retrospective on the two. I’ve distanced myself from this set’s online presence because it has been TOXIC to say the least.
Meanwhile both have ran at shows and have received a completely different reception from fans.
Not only LEGO train fans, but fans of the Orient Express itself as well. I went in 2022 to the NMBS museum in Brussels as there was also an expo on the Orient express and I do have the movie and the book Murder on the Orient express. Now regarding the train itself, I don't operate trains nor am I planning to. So static and therefor the original design is fine by me. The '1 million dollar' question is, since the original design and the final design by LEGO differ so much that there is no resemblance whatsoever, can the original designer do something with the original design?
I just want 4 or so of the coaches for a polar express
Honestly this is good as although you get more detail from a shelf queen a functional model makes it more fun as I've seen other brands like nifelez make Realistic Lego display train models but their still in the size of any other Lego train making a great model and this is a step Lego could have or should have took as display models don't need to be massively enormous as also Lego sets like the leaked one should take a step up that being about the locomotive being sold only and rolling stock sold separately so its not a hole to your credit card as display models don't need to be big and who cares if the leaked model isn't the same as the real life engine as it works as a MOC or a mine own creation
orient express's steam locomotive is disappointed.
this is steam locomotive looks like GWR olton hall.
the size thing and ability to run are very good points, I would be skipping this if it was an oversized model, but knowing its not, I am now planning to buy this next year
It makes sense for them to change a display train into an operating train set I don't mind the redesign even though it doesn't look completely like the original Because I have always seen their motorized train sets out crazy,
I Actually love the finally design it looks so good
1:30 thumbs up if you're a fan of the show
you know what's up.
it would be awesome if someone were to build the origenal idea set
I was actually pleased to see this set's pictures. Having bought a Mould King Mallard set, I was a little disappointed at how poorly it runs (at least my copy). As simple as the loco is, you can bet it'll run far better than the proposed one. Glad to see I'm not alone in this! I look forward to your review of MK's offering, as I've really been enjoying your reviews of these alt brand trains.
Hoping this one runs better. Initial impression is that the instructions clear up a lot of issues I’ve had with previous sets. Promising, but Mould King finds a way to screw it up.