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Yes and no, I think. If you are saying that his passive tower damage and W tower execute are essential parts of his kit, I agree. But his value in fights is also great! All of his spells offer incredible zoning and his ult is amazing. I believe it's the combination of everything which makes him so strong!
Yes but he will not be seen to split push much in pro play as his mobility are too low for side towers. Corki in that sense can do better and safer than ziggs. So the real reason Ziggs is good now is his high burst potential in skirmishes and he can do multiple knockups.
@@rollingthunder9769 Depends what you mean by splitpushing. He certainly pushes towers hard in pro, often with an ally or two, and he can get surprisingly deep sometimes in pro because teams will do things like send everyone to Grubs or everyone to top lane for a gank, allowing a Tier 2 bot tower push. And of course, even if he is grouped as 4 or 5, his kit makes it faster to take towers. I think it's safe to say his teamfighting and tower pushing are both important, powerful parts of his kit :D
Syndra is one of the champions I didn't get to talk about because she's out of the meta, but I hope you're right and that she comes back into the meta for Worlds to shake things up! B tier means she is a perfectly acceptable pick! The reason I don't have her as an excellent pick is for the following reasons: - She is mostly a utility midlaner who spams E for its CC and zoning effects. In some games, teams can struggle to have enough damage because she is not really a high-damage midlaner in my opinion. In that sense it might be appropriate to think about her as slightly worse Taliyah in some situations. - Her R is very telegraphed and often doesn't get full value because of shields / Locket / Zhonya's, etc. That means especially if shielders are in the meta (Ivern, Karma, Braum, Rakan), it can be harder to nuke the carries. Compare to a burst mage like Annie who is much harder to predict and has more damage in the tank after the Ult is used. That said, I love to hear viewers' opinions, so let me know why you love Syndra and if you think there are specific situations or team comps where she shines, and I might change her rating!
@@SizeableBrain I think with Storm Surge Changes Syndra becomes more powerful she is already one of the strongest users and it got buffed more for ranged champs specifically. This with the nerfs coming in on worlds patch to some of the other S tier mid laners like Corki and smolder should put her at least into A tier IMO if not higher. We are already seeing her quite a bit in CQ games so I think she should be moved up. She also has much higher ranged than champs like Annie who can be punished by her lack of range if being blinded unlike syndra. Also the fact that Renekton and Kled are in the same tier is insane to me. And why is Brand listed as the best AP jg when he has been nerfed way more than champs like Lillia and Zyra?
@@cbsalty7207 Oh, where are you getting the CQ information? Are those games available to watch? I will definitely adjust her position if I see she is doing super well at Worlds. Kled, I admit, I'm not super confident on because there are so few games of him in pro, but he has a good teamfight Ultimate, he's tanky, and he has high damage, so he seems like he would be relatively useful in teamfights to me, while not being a super top pick. But I could be overestimating his teamfight value. Brand is S tier because whenever I see him, he is shredding the entire enemy team single-handedly, while Zyra often does a lot less damage, and heavily depends on landing her E, which is not always easy. Lillia is not really comparable because IMO she's mostly just an R button.
@@SizeableBrain CQ games are being streamed on twitch by Ceadrel and whatever pros are streaming Bwipo and CoreJJ have been pretty consistent. I think you are overrating Kled is Soloq he can have high impact but I think he is just less reliable and less tanky than Reeneekton. Renekton can lane more reliably into more matchups and will always have point and click CC for when he flanks with ult, also his ult + steraks just makes him so strong on two item spike. The main issue with brand is they really hit his first clear so I think with more AD jgs that can invade him coming into the meta I think he takes a hit. Think he is still really strong into tank jgs but don't think he can first pick unless teams want to flex him mid/bot. Think Lillia and him should probably swap teirs as she is just more reliable and has a faster full clear. I really don't agree that Lillia is just an R button, into tanks/bruiser chaamps she just melts them, she can poke with e and play skirmishes well. She can also just act like an ap graves and out tempo the enemy jgler and just get massive level lead look at Inspireds game on her in finals I think that shows this well. Also Jarvan has been pick or ban after his changes for world patch I think ur tier list is looking too much into playoffs when they introduced a huge world patch this year so I think there will be a bigger shift in the meta than normal. Jarvan is definitely S tier going into worlds. Yone probably also can go up a tier or two with the fleet buffs on melee champs as well as him being one of the only ad champs being picked that wasn't nerfed going into worlds. I think the changes on the world patch need to be reflected a little more in the tier list. Also I think Ivern is so underrated at B tier this champ just provides so much utility with such low resources while having a clear that keeps up with meta junglers, I understand he was nerfed but i think this champ is still disgusting especially if enemy blinds tank jg
@@cbsalty7207 Thanks for the heads up, I will watch as many of those CQ games as I can find! Thanks for sharing your thoughts! Renekton definitely has more reliable CC and probably safer laning, but it's hard to compare to an X factor like Kled ult. I'm not gonna die on this hill though, and I agree that Renekton is a solid pick and has been so for years and I would be willing to say that he is on average stronger in pro than Kled. We haven't gotten to see Brand post-nerfs, so I just have no idea yet if they will be strong enough to push him down. Lillia can definitely power farm like nobody's business, but personally, I can't shake the numerous memories I have of seeing her kind of struggle in fights. Sometimes she gets one or two spells off, gets chunked really low, and then when she tries to get one more hit off she gets killed before she is close enough because her range is so low and she is so squishy. Yeah, it's super hard to predict which buffs and nerfs will hit hard and which not so much. I personally have a hard time believing Jarvan is that strong now, but we will see. I personally would have put Ivern at B even before he was nerfed. To me he feels like a lot of gimmicks, and unless you are getting 100% value out of each them all the time, he just feels a little underwhelming to me. Yone is definitely one that everybody has been hyping up a ton, but I've always thought he looks flashier and stronger than he actually is. There's tons of footage of him getting a dream multi-man R, and then just dying. I think he just really needs to right support to soften people up and/or protect him.
The general idea is that Gragas is with K'Sante, Ornn, and Zac as overpowered because they have both a ton of tankiness and lots of CC. I didn't get a chance to go into the unique advantages/disadvantages he has over the other 3. For instance, his flash E + R combo give him a very long, high damage, and impossible to dodge CC combo that is unique even among those other top champs. But if you think he's not so strong, I'd love to know why :)
@@SizeableBrain oh no ive been playing gragas for soem time now (dia 3 900k points) and in top lane all his strength depends on how good his laner is . if ur laner gets hit by your flash E combo yeah fair enough. but most player past dia 4 can see through it. i do think he is S tier but it surprised me that he was THAT close ot ksante considering how much harder he is to make him work compared to ksante ifykwim
@@YS-ttv Ah, gotcha. I don't actually have them in order within the tiers because they are organized by lane within the tiers for clarity. But yeah, I agree that Gragas is lower in S-tier than K'Sante :)
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In my new "Deep Dive" video series, I pick a new champion each episode and analyze how strong they are by breaking down the most pivotal pro game moments. The footage I analyze is really exciting, and I think you will really enjoy it!:
th-cam.com/video/RVxTDjw10AY/w-d-xo.html
The only reason ziggs is strong and picked atm is because he is insane at pushing tower and getting plates btw.
Yes and no, I think. If you are saying that his passive tower damage and W tower execute are essential parts of his kit, I agree. But his value in fights is also great! All of his spells offer incredible zoning and his ult is amazing. I believe it's the combination of everything which makes him so strong!
Yes but he will not be seen to split push much in pro play as his mobility are too low for side towers. Corki in that sense can do better and safer than ziggs. So the real reason Ziggs is good now is his high burst potential in skirmishes and he can do multiple knockups.
@@rollingthunder9769 Depends what you mean by splitpushing. He certainly pushes towers hard in pro, often with an ally or two, and he can get surprisingly deep sometimes in pro because teams will do things like send everyone to Grubs or everyone to top lane for a gank, allowing a Tier 2 bot tower push. And of course, even if he is grouped as 4 or 5, his kit makes it faster to take towers.
I think it's safe to say his teamfighting and tower pushing are both important, powerful parts of his kit :D
in which world is syndra b tier this worlds?
Syndra is one of the champions I didn't get to talk about because she's out of the meta, but I hope you're right and that she comes back into the meta for Worlds to shake things up!
B tier means she is a perfectly acceptable pick! The reason I don't have her as an excellent pick is for the following reasons:
- She is mostly a utility midlaner who spams E for its CC and zoning effects. In some games, teams can struggle to have enough damage because she is not really a high-damage midlaner in my opinion. In that sense it might be appropriate to think about her as slightly worse Taliyah in some situations.
- Her R is very telegraphed and often doesn't get full value because of shields / Locket / Zhonya's, etc. That means especially if shielders are in the meta (Ivern, Karma, Braum, Rakan), it can be harder to nuke the carries. Compare to a burst mage like Annie who is much harder to predict and has more damage in the tank after the Ult is used.
That said, I love to hear viewers' opinions, so let me know why you love Syndra and if you think there are specific situations or team comps where she shines, and I might change her rating!
@@SizeableBrain I think with Storm Surge Changes Syndra becomes more powerful she is already one of the strongest users and it got buffed more for ranged champs specifically. This with the nerfs coming in on worlds patch to some of the other S tier mid laners like Corki and smolder should put her at least into A tier IMO if not higher. We are already seeing her quite a bit in CQ games so I think she should be moved up. She also has much higher ranged than champs like Annie who can be punished by her lack of range if being blinded unlike syndra. Also the fact that Renekton and Kled are in the same tier is insane to me. And why is Brand listed as the best AP jg when he has been nerfed way more than champs like Lillia and Zyra?
@@cbsalty7207 Oh, where are you getting the CQ information? Are those games available to watch? I will definitely adjust her position if I see she is doing super well at Worlds.
Kled, I admit, I'm not super confident on because there are so few games of him in pro, but he has a good teamfight Ultimate, he's tanky, and he has high damage, so he seems like he would be relatively useful in teamfights to me, while not being a super top pick. But I could be overestimating his teamfight value.
Brand is S tier because whenever I see him, he is shredding the entire enemy team single-handedly, while Zyra often does a lot less damage, and heavily depends on landing her E, which is not always easy. Lillia is not really comparable because IMO she's mostly just an R button.
@@SizeableBrain CQ games are being streamed on twitch by Ceadrel and whatever pros are streaming Bwipo and CoreJJ have been pretty consistent. I think you are overrating Kled is Soloq he can have high impact but I think he is just less reliable and less tanky than Reeneekton. Renekton can lane more reliably into more matchups and will always have point and click CC for when he flanks with ult, also his ult + steraks just makes him so strong on two item spike.
The main issue with brand is they really hit his first clear so I think with more AD jgs that can invade him coming into the meta I think he takes a hit. Think he is still really strong into tank jgs but don't think he can first pick unless teams want to flex him mid/bot. Think Lillia and him should probably swap teirs as she is just more reliable and has a faster full clear. I really don't agree that Lillia is just an R button, into tanks/bruiser chaamps she just melts them, she can poke with e and play skirmishes well. She can also just act like an ap graves and out tempo the enemy jgler and just get massive level lead look at Inspireds game on her in finals I think that shows this well.
Also Jarvan has been pick or ban after his changes for world patch I think ur tier list is looking too much into playoffs when they introduced a huge world patch this year so I think there will be a bigger shift in the meta than normal. Jarvan is definitely S tier going into worlds. Yone probably also can go up a tier or two with the fleet buffs on melee champs as well as him being one of the only ad champs being picked that wasn't nerfed going into worlds. I think the changes on the world patch need to be reflected a little more in the tier list. Also I think Ivern is so underrated at B tier this champ just provides so much utility with such low resources while having a clear that keeps up with meta junglers, I understand he was nerfed but i think this champ is still disgusting especially if enemy blinds tank jg
@@cbsalty7207 Thanks for the heads up, I will watch as many of those CQ games as I can find!
Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
Renekton definitely has more reliable CC and probably safer laning, but it's hard to compare to an X factor like Kled ult. I'm not gonna die on this hill though, and I agree that Renekton is a solid pick and has been so for years and I would be willing to say that he is on average stronger in pro than Kled.
We haven't gotten to see Brand post-nerfs, so I just have no idea yet if they will be strong enough to push him down. Lillia can definitely power farm like nobody's business, but personally, I can't shake the numerous memories I have of seeing her kind of struggle in fights. Sometimes she gets one or two spells off, gets chunked really low, and then when she tries to get one more hit off she gets killed before she is close enough because her range is so low and she is so squishy.
Yeah, it's super hard to predict which buffs and nerfs will hit hard and which not so much. I personally have a hard time believing Jarvan is that strong now, but we will see. I personally would have put Ivern at B even before he was nerfed. To me he feels like a lot of gimmicks, and unless you are getting 100% value out of each them all the time, he just feels a little underwhelming to me. Yone is definitely one that everybody has been hyping up a ton, but I've always thought he looks flashier and stronger than he actually is. There's tons of footage of him getting a dream multi-man R, and then just dying. I think he just really needs to right support to soften people up and/or protect him.
how exactly is gragas in the same tier as ksante
The general idea is that Gragas is with K'Sante, Ornn, and Zac as overpowered because they have both a ton of tankiness and lots of CC. I didn't get a chance to go into the unique advantages/disadvantages he has over the other 3. For instance, his flash E + R combo give him a very long, high damage, and impossible to dodge CC combo that is unique even among those other top champs. But if you think he's not so strong, I'd love to know why :)
@@SizeableBrain oh no ive been playing gragas for soem time now (dia 3 900k points) and in top lane all his strength depends on how good his laner is . if ur laner gets hit by your flash E combo yeah fair enough. but most player past dia 4 can see through it. i do think he is S tier but it surprised me that he was THAT close ot ksante considering how much harder he is to make him work compared to ksante ifykwim
@@YS-ttv Ah, I see. So you are saying that you think Gragas is S-tier, but K'Sante should be in an even higher tier?
yes .or atleast lower in the S tier because ksante is easier to execute than gragas
@@YS-ttv Ah, gotcha. I don't actually have them in order within the tiers because they are organized by lane within the tiers for clarity. But yeah, I agree that Gragas is lower in S-tier than K'Sante :)