Veins of the Earth: RPG Book Review

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  • @The.Elk.of.Antioch
    @The.Elk.of.Antioch ปีที่แล้ว +13

    The commodification of light sounds creative . As you mentioned, survivalist versions of D&D, including Dark Sun, have always existed, but I've never been part of a group that embraced resource tracking & outdoor survivalist stuff.

    • @daddyrolleda1
      @daddyrolleda1  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It is definitely a different style of game. As a kid, I disliked it a lot. I always equipped my character with torches, rations, etc., but they NEVER came up during play.
      Now that I'm running games and have a better understanding of how to incorporate them, my players find it fun. I will announce, "Time to cross a torch off your sheet!" and they will groan and being taking inventory across the players to see how many torches are left.
      Last session there was at least a 5 minute discussion on whether they should buy standard rations or iron rations.
      All that said, these kids have no context for modern games. They've never watched any actual plays and don't have any preconceived notions about being universe-saving superheroes. They just know they're adventurers trying to earn some coin and maybe one or two of them want to help people along the way, but the others just want to stay alive another day.

    • @paavohirn3728
      @paavohirn3728 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I had a phase in 3e where my characters had a lot of different gear but I also got tired of it not mattering as well as the encumbrance tracking down to fractions of pounds. Now I'm again a big fan of survival type gaming and tracking vital resources but using slot type encumbrance.

    • @daddyrolleda1
      @daddyrolleda1  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@paavohirn3728 I really like slot encumbrance as well. Makes things so much easier to track while still making items and resources count for something.

    • @paavohirn3728
      @paavohirn3728 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@daddyrolleda1 Yeah. Also I'd like to see more inventory space on character sheets. 😅

    • @IbnShisha1
      @IbnShisha1 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Dark Sun was my gateway, and it can be a real blast.

  • @cernunnos_lives
    @cernunnos_lives ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Don't fart in the Underdark.
    This is by far my favorite setting. I loved incorporating what i learned about early life epochs from our own world. Always make use of things we know.
    And it tickles me pink that your little girl enjoys playing too. It makes me smile.

    • @daddyrolleda1
      @daddyrolleda1  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you very much - I really appreciate that!
      And yes, I'm always taking mental notes in situations as opportunities for things to enrich my games, whether it's reading a comic book, visiting a museum, or driving though a National Park. Incorporating all that stuff makes the game much more immersive!

  • @RuiSaltao
    @RuiSaltao ปีที่แล้ว +4

    This is a nice idea for a series where I'd love to get your insight in: Toolkit books for adventure prepping (or even for generating content on-the-fly) and how to use them, for dungeon adventures, for city adventures, wilderness hexcrawling, and so on.

    • @daddyrolleda1
      @daddyrolleda1  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Thanks! That's kind of what I was trying to do with this particular series, but maybe I should do some follow-ups with more detail and show specifics on how I used them in my daughter's campaign?

    • @VhaidraSaga
      @VhaidraSaga ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@daddyrolleda1 definitely!

    • @RuiSaltao
      @RuiSaltao ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@daddyrolleda1 that's it! It would be awesome 👍

  • @shenanitims4006
    @shenanitims4006 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Wah… before leaving the US, I found that AD&D Dungeon Guide. Total blast from my past, as I believe the friend who introduced me to D&D, his brother had it.
    But I didn’t pick it up. And have been regretting it ever since.

    • @daddyrolleda1
      @daddyrolleda1  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Oh, no! I have quite a few things over the years that I've regretted not purchasing at the time, so I can relate!

  • @shawnfisher9976
    @shawnfisher9976 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Love your reviews and explanations! Thank you!

    • @daddyrolleda1
      @daddyrolleda1  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thank you so much! I'm glad you enjoyed the video, and thank you for watching and commenting!

  • @The.Elk.of.Antioch
    @The.Elk.of.Antioch ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I had art commissioned to show me and my father fighting at the Caves of Chaos in front of the Keep on the Borderlands ⁉️. Still in my top 5 adventures

    • @daddyrolleda1
      @daddyrolleda1  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Oh my goodness, that is amazing! I would love to see that!
      And thank you for watching and commenting!

    • @shawnfisher9976
      @shawnfisher9976 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Wow that is amazing! How wonderful!

  • @iantaran2843
    @iantaran2843 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    One of my favorite books, absolutely agree it being one of my "4"

    • @daddyrolleda1
      @daddyrolleda1  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's so inspirational!

  • @panelsofDOOM
    @panelsofDOOM ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I love this book. I find some of the monster stuff is so out there that it is'nt really worth using for me, super creative, though.
    Everything else is great. i still use the climbing rules, the different types of magical darkness stuff, and those factions are great. I just reflexively make Derro Marathon Man-esque villains obsessed with machines whenever they come up in any RPG. Oh and the Labour worshiping Duergar? *Chef's kiss*

    • @daddyrolleda1
      @daddyrolleda1  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yes! All great stuff! I see your point on some of the monsters and I've often shied away from using weird stuff like that in my games (even going as far back as the 1E Fiend Folio, for which I didn't use a ton of monsters). For this new game I'm running for my daughter and her friends, I'm trying to be a bit more open and allowing more weird stuff to help expand the decision of fantasy and take advantage of all the magic and stuff that I tend to tone down in my other games.

  • @Michael-ws7rc
    @Michael-ws7rc 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ok I have never heard of this before… it looks freaking awesome…!

  • @VhaidraSaga
    @VhaidraSaga ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This is my favorite TTRPG product of all time and got me info LotFP!

    • @daddyrolleda1
      @daddyrolleda1  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I've never played LotFP but I've used ideas from it in the B/X game I run for my daughter and her friends.
      This is definitely a great book, regardless of system/edition, and one that I think most DMs could benefit from.
      Thank you so much for watching and commenting!

  • @TTRPGkids_Steph
    @TTRPGkids_Steph ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great video! There's so many TTRPG books out there, and it's really cool getting an overview of them to be able to experience and learn from them. Like, this book having descriptive details - that's REALLY important when going through "cave" for an extended period of time, and is a great learning point. The adaptable stat blocks too (i.e. equivalent armor versus a armor class) are cool - that's a great way for doing system agnostic adventures.

    • @daddyrolleda1
      @daddyrolleda1  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank you so much, Steph! I really appreciate you watching and commenting! I hope you stick around and enjoy some of my other reviews as well as my "D&D History" videos - those ones seem to be really popular.

  • @Fo0tie
    @Fo0tie ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Great videos. I recently bought the cities and forest book . Great recommendations.

    • @daddyrolleda1
      @daddyrolleda1  ปีที่แล้ว

      Oh, wow! That's fantastic to hear! I'm so glad I was able to introduce you to some new books, and I hope you like them as much as I do and use them in your games.
      Thank you so much for watching and commenting! I just posted today about A Folklore Bestiary and, as always, provided a few alternatives. Cheers!

  • @Ninjat126
    @Ninjat126 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    "I run Veins of the Earth for my 13 y/o" is a powerful statement, but it's even more powerful when followed by "they've been playing it for about two years."

    • @Ninjat126
      @Ninjat126 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      While I'm here, Veins is a fantastic read & it's a book I've wanted to campaign in for ages.
      The module Deep Carbon Observatory, mentioned in this video & by the same authors, is an excellent setup for a Veins campaign; I'm hoping to run both when I get some free time.
      I've been hoping for years now, though, so don't hold your breath.

    • @daddyrolleda1
      @daddyrolleda1  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Ninjat126 Thank you so much for watching and commenting. I really appreciate it.
      It took me YEARS to start the game for my daughter. I had wanted to for years and began the discussion with her when she was in 2nd Grade to gauge her interest. But, I wanted everything to be "just right" which just meant, for me, that I was procrastinating.
      She's an only child and when the pandemic lockdowns hit (she was in 5th grade at the time), I realized that we needed an outlet for her, scheduled, where she could interact with her friends. That's how the game started. Our first session was virtual, then we moved to backyards at different tables per family. But it helped her emotional well-being so much.
      We have another session scheduled this Saturday! It's also a way for me to continue to engage with her as she gets older and gets into things that I don't have context for like makeup and fashion.
      Thanks again! I hope you do get to run a game soon!

    • @krispalermo8133
      @krispalermo8133 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@daddyrolleda1 , .. I had a friend I met close to 20years ago that ran a MtG & RPG shop.
      Gaming systems, AD&D2ndE, Skills & Powers all so known as AD&D2ndE.75 or 2.5 or 2.75 on how you want to say it. WEG west end games Star Wars d6, TMNT d% system, Whitewolf World of Darkness (WoD) Vampire d10 system. Shadow Run/Cyber Punk mixed into our Star Wars. Along with WotC 3e, then 3.5 D&D/Star Wars follow with 4e Saga Edition. Needless to say, we home brew the h3ll out of our house game system. His daughter grew up arguing with her word math problems for the most efficient effect bonus.
      My friends' daughter went into the navy as a senor tech who crew mates also grew up with Star Wars rpg. By length equaling to weight class for ship hull points and number of weapons mounts.
      2.) I was dealing with a group of people that turn a 6sec melee round at Superman/Flash speeds into a 10pages of word math problems for forty minutes on how to take apart a building at 50x sound to rescue the people within. Peter Parker and Jimmy Olsen were there on a photo news gig. Spiderman stands in shock & awe, with Jimmy saying, " First time being rescue ?"

    • @Grimlore82
      @Grimlore82 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@krispalermo8133 😂

  • @KabukiKid
    @KabukiKid ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Oh great! More books to buy! Thanks a lot! ;-)

    • @daddyrolleda1
      @daddyrolleda1  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Ha! I'm sorry?
      I hope you saw that part wherein I addressed how difficult this book is to get right now. I apologize for that - when I put this video in my queue to make, it was still available. I'm sure it'll pop up again soon.

    • @KabukiKid
      @KabukiKid ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@daddyrolleda1 No worries. I have a list of stuff I want... so it gets added to the want list. ;-) I'll get it eventually.

    • @dicariel
      @dicariel ปีที่แล้ว +2

      On sale for less than $2

    • @KabukiKid
      @KabukiKid ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@dicariel Thanks... yeah, I normally never touch PDFs (unless they come with the print copy), but for $1.25, I sprung for it. :-) I'm still going to seek a hardcopy eventually, but that was good to grab at that price. Thanks for the alert! :-D

  • @JenxRodwell
    @JenxRodwell ปีที่แล้ว +6

    A note on the physical copies - Patrick and Scrap Princess have now gotten back the publishing rights from Lamentations of the Flame Princess. Patrick Stuart has said that at some point in the future, there will be a reprint for Veins, however when that actually happens is kind if up in the air, as they'll need to secure a publisher to actually do that.
    So for the time being it's probably just safe to assume that one won't be able to get a physical copy any time soon.

    • @daddyrolleda1
      @daddyrolleda1  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thank you so much for watching and commenting, and for this information! I had no idea they had reacquired the publishing rights! I'm sure they can find a publisher - it's such a popular book. I sure hope they do. Thanks again for letting me know!

    • @VhaidraSaga
      @VhaidraSaga ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@daddyrolleda1 yeah LotFP always gives republishing rights back to the creators. It, along with paying them 1/4-1/3 of the profits, was very controversial with other publishers who tried to blackball them for treating their creators so well. Patrick Stuart has said when it happens it will take a long time (as in many years) because not only will they publish it, but reformat it to A4 rather than the A5 version it was published in. It will have to be completely reformatted and some changes will take place.

  • @paavohirn3728
    @paavohirn3728 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for bringing this up! I've been sitting on this as pdf for a while but haven't actually used it yet. This would certainly benefit from being the print version. Even saw it once in the localish rpg store.

    • @daddyrolleda1
      @daddyrolleda1  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yeah, print copies of this are in very high demand, but I see them pop up on Ebay or Noble Knight Games every once in a while, but they're usually very pricy, in the hundreds of dollars. My understanding is that the two creators have retained the rights from the original publisher (which is a standard thing for this publisher to "give them back") and they are potentially working on a revised version, but they're going to make it a bigger size (like a standard A4 size) which means it will require entirely new layout. No idea how long that will take.

    • @paavohirn3728
      @paavohirn3728 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@daddyrolleda1 Oh that's interesting! I think I can live with my pdf and wait for the new version to go into print.

  • @PatriceBoivin
    @PatriceBoivin ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The Underdark of GREYHAWK. G1-3, D1-3, Q1 were in Greyhawk.

    • @VhaidraSaga
      @VhaidraSaga ปีที่แล้ว +2

      They called it the Underearth even though it was on Oerth.

    • @daddyrolleda1
      @daddyrolleda1  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes, I chat about this series in my video on the Greyhawk setting: th-cam.com/video/Ek1znTOMpl4/w-d-xo.html

  • @FatalDevotee1
    @FatalDevotee1 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Into the wyrd and wild is a great book.

    • @daddyrolleda1
      @daddyrolleda1  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I really dig it, and I've used parts of it in the game I run for my daughter and her friends. I also like their companion book, "Into the Cess & Citadel" (basically the same thing, but for cities instead of wilderness).

  • @sahryx
    @sahryx ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I am surprised this has not been reprinted.

    • @daddyrolleda1
      @daddyrolleda1  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yeah, it only went through two printings but someone else in the comments mentioned the two creators have gotten the publishing rights from Lamentations of the Flame Princess, so hopefully they will find a well to publish a new edition soon.
      Thanks for watching and commenting!

  • @DMTalesTTRPG
    @DMTalesTTRPG ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The need to pay attention to light sources is one of the big selling points of Shadowdark for me!

    • @daddyrolleda1
      @daddyrolleda1  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I remember chatting with you about that, and really liking the "real time" tracking of light sources when I heard about it. Very cool!

  • @nicklarocco4178
    @nicklarocco4178 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    One of my favorite rpg setting books. Wet Ink Games has two books that are very inspired by Veins of the Earth, but with a focus on deep woods, and weird urban settings. They are, respectively, Into the Wyrd and Wild, and Into the Cess and Citadel. Worth checking out if you like Veins of the Earth.

    • @daddyrolleda1
      @daddyrolleda1  ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Great minds think alike!
      See: th-cam.com/video/0IwDLMcTQDg/w-d-xo.html
      and th-cam.com/video/0IwDLMcTQDg/w-d-xo.html

  • @gwivongalois6169
    @gwivongalois6169 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The title reminds me of the scene in "Big Trouble in Little China"
    JB: That is not water.
    ES: Black blood of the earth.
    JB: Do you mean oil?
    ES: I mean black blood of the earth.
    And of course later they encounter some unknown, unspeakable thing..
    JB: What was that?!
    ES: It won't come back.
    JB. WHAT?! What will not come back?!
    🤣

    • @daddyrolleda1
      @daddyrolleda1  ปีที่แล้ว

      I totally remember that scene, and that movie! I actually own the soundtrack on vinyl and was lucky to see a double feature of Big Trouble in Little China along with Escape from New York at an old-school theater here in L.A. called the Egyptian Theater. They hosted a panel in-between the two movies and John Carpenter was there to talk about them!
      I always thought the eyeball thing in BTiLC looked a lot like a beholder!

  • @IbnShisha1
    @IbnShisha1 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Infravision isn't really that much of a game breaker, because you're almost always going to have at least one party member without. They're going to need torches, which is going to negate the infravision. If an elf or dwarf wants to scout with infravision, they're going to need to go out of the light range, which presents its own risks.

    • @daddyrolleda1
      @daddyrolleda1  3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Absolutely, but I just found it easier to get rid of it. In this case, I knew specifically that none of the characters were going to have torches so they'd be feeling around in the dark trying to find their way and I didn't want to have to deal with the elf players saying, "But I have infravision!"

  • @davewilson13
    @davewilson13 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just subbed, thanks.

    • @daddyrolleda1
      @daddyrolleda1  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thank YOU!. I really appreciate your support and I hope you enjoy the channel. Please do let me know if there are topics you'd be interested to see me cover. Thanks again!

  • @searchforsecretdoors
    @searchforsecretdoors ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I've been looking forward to this installment. I have the PDF, but I've never understood why people love it so much. To me it has seemed off-putting. Perhaps I am negatively predisposed because I have a bad taste in my mouth about the LotFP company in general. I enjoy hearing what you like about it. As I scroll back through the PDF, I'm seeing bits of evocative imagery and ideas that I glossed over in the past. But I confess that I still don't really "get" how I would use this in practice. I will give it another read through. But I would love to see you showing in practical terms how you would integrate this material with a module like B2, which I have also been running my kids through.
    I am especially looking forward to your fourth installment about the DMG. I owned a copy back in the day, but we never played AD&D until 2e, so I never mined its depths. I am anxiously anticipating finding out why it would be a desert island book, particularly when you're playing a different edition. Thanks for becoming one of my favorite TH-cam channels!

    • @daddyrolleda1
      @daddyrolleda1  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thank you so much for your compliment, and for watching this video despite your reservations about the company. I totally get it, and I completely understand. There are certain creators (not just from this company, but in general), whom I will never feature here.
      My friend Kelvin Green has created quite a few books for this publisher, but I have found him to be a very upstanding person and I enjoy the content he creates, which is why I featured him adventure "Big Terror in the Streets" as my first video.
      For this book specifically, I know there's kind of a love/hate relationship with it. It is very much an "art" book (not in the visual sense, but the overall aesthetic). Maybe that's not the right word, but the writing style is very full and dense with its imagery, and there is a lot of stuff in here that is very inspirational but that could seem to be difficult to use in a game. I think a lot of folks dislike this book because they thought it was going to be an adventure, when in fact it is more of a setting book describing cultures, monsters, and procedures for exploring an underground environment.
      I can certainly try to show some more examples in the future of how I use this book in the game I run for my daughter and her friends, but the short version is that I've used some of the monsters, adapted a few of the cultures, and definitely used the descriptions to help when describing certain cave features. I didn't run Keep on the Borderlands "as is" but changed a lot of the cultures and creatures included in the original module, partially influenced by the DungeonCraft TH-cam series "The Caves of Carnage." Using this book to help with that was very helpful.
      I hope you enjoy my installment on the 1E Dungeon Master's Guide when you see it! And once again, I really appreciate your support. Thank you!

  • @AngryPict
    @AngryPict ปีที่แล้ว +1

    As to reprinting etc.
    I believe that there are no plans from LotFP to do this as the rights are with the author and artist and it hasn't been discussed.
    Might be wrong on that but it seems to ring a bell.
    If anyone hunts down a a hard copy beware the postage cost. It's a chunker and you may have to factor in a bit of additional expense because of this.

    • @daddyrolleda1
      @daddyrolleda1  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I had heard that the original creators, after regaining the publishing rights, had mentioned the possibility of a reprint after a revision that would also involve increasing the page size from A5 to A4, which would then necessitate a new layout, so it would be quite a while.
      Thanks for watching and commenting!

  • @brucetherobert2221
    @brucetherobert2221 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Remember, it isn't the underdark, it's The Viens.

    • @daddyrolleda1
      @daddyrolleda1  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yes, for sure. I just put "Underdark" in the thumbnail as a way to entice folks who were more familiar with that term into watching the video.
      Thanks for watching and commenting!

  • @bananaquark1164
    @bananaquark1164 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I hope they print this book again. The pdf is ok but as a rpg boon collector i cant stand not owning this one.

    • @daddyrolleda1
      @daddyrolleda1  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Thank you so much for watching and commenting!
      In its current form, I'm about 99.99% likely it won't be reprinted again. My understanding is that Lamentations of the Flame Princess (the publisher) have returned the rights back to the creators (which is their standard operating procedure after a certain time has past). I've heard the creators are toying with publishing a revised version on their own, but that version will be in a larger size (a more "standard" A4, I think) and that change will necessitate an entirely new layout, which could take years.
      Sorry to be the bearer of bad news! At this point, I think Ebay is your friend!

    • @bananaquark1164
      @bananaquark1164 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@daddyrolleda1your welcome I enjoy your videos very much :)

  • @dicariel
    @dicariel ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Currently less than $2 on drivethru

    • @daddyrolleda1
      @daddyrolleda1  ปีที่แล้ว

      I just saw that sale! Thanks for sharing!

  • @benpuffer7891
    @benpuffer7891 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Man I wish this book would get reprinted

    • @daddyrolleda1
      @daddyrolleda1  ปีที่แล้ว

      As with most Lamentations of the Flame Princess publications, the rights have reverted back to the creators, and I have heard that they are considering a revised version, but this time in an A4 size instead of A5, which means needing to do completely new layout to accommodate, so if they do reprint it, it will be awhile.

  • @Atalanta1313
    @Atalanta1313 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    $100 is not that big a mark up. That's a good price for this book. More than that is not such a good deal.

    • @daddyrolleda1
      @daddyrolleda1  ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Yes, agreed. When I looked a day or two ago, it was going on Ebay for ~$400 which is ridiculous. I mean, it's a good book and one of my favorites, but it's not an antique or anything. At that point, just get the PDF!!!

    • @Atalanta1313
      @Atalanta1313 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@daddyrolleda1 at that price printing up the pdf becomes cost effective

    • @Ninjat126
      @Ninjat126 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I own the PDF, it's fantastic, but I ALSO own a hardcopy of Fire on the Velvet Horizon.
      Let me say, Scrap Princess' art and the general "thing" of these books just BEG to be held in hardcopy, not Ctrl+F searched on a phone. And this is coming from a big fan of digital rulebooks, too!
      Still wouldn't pay $400 for a hardcopy, though.

    • @daddyrolleda1
      @daddyrolleda1  ปีที่แล้ว

      @@Ninjat126 Oh, my goodness, no way. I mean, for one, that's just not in my price range of something I'd pay for. I've been slowly finishing up my AD&D 1E Hardback Collection (finally finished!) and even for those, the most I paid was ~$100 for a Cthulhu version of Deities & Demigods.
      Veins is great quality and the design is spectacular, and as you said, it begs to be held in the hand and read/used at the table, for not for $400. Hopefully the next printing, whenever that is, will be reasonably priced AND printed in enough quantities to satisfy demand.
      Thanks again for watching & commenting!