maybe he was greatest intellectual black shia in all of hyde park and that was the best argument he could come up & maybe most of those pages are blank and he highlighted all the irrelevant parts and complain about people around him to make it look like he needs more then an hour but ends up getting refuting himself in few mins. 😁
Subhan Allah what an awful attitude the other guy has, he is far from humble. He is so cocky and hateful. I would run out of patient with this guy. Manipulative and lack of discipline.Arrogant, lack of respect and Disgusting!!
@@Warboss777 2+2=4. The jews support Shi'ites because they came from the same source. Did you know that the largest group of jews in Asia outside Israel is in Iran?
Niqabi Eesa needs at least 2 minutes and longer and his 500 page folder to try to make a point and Brother Farid needs 10 Seconds of his time an NO preparation to refute him.
Md.jamal Sheikh No it was a nice answer Bro! While the Shia guy claimed to be the terminator scholar, Farid was humble and gave a description of himself. Hence i wrote great answer. Jazak Allah kheir and no joking was intended.
F. Moussa...bari kallah fee..bro...Brother Farid along with Sunni Defence challen is doing a great job masa Allah!...What is this shia guy talking he got refuted by brother Shamsi from glorious Quran....
Issa the fake quotes that Ali (ra) said 'We know the superiority Allah has GIVEN you' to Abu Bakr. Allahuakbar☝️☝️☝️ This shia just proved that Abu Bakr (ra) caliphate was legitimate and GIVEN by Allah.
The thing is if imaams get orders from Allah.. Ali(r.a) gave bayah to Abu bakr(r.a).. So was it by himself or Allah ordered him?? If it is by himself he was sinful of giving bayah to an illegitimate caliph.. If Allah ordered him Abu bakr(r.a) is a legitimate caliph.. Case closed ...
cap ba Oh so the prophet peace be upon him, told the Shia to not to engage with ignorants, but told them it's perfectly ok to associate with those who mock Allah and his messenger e.g. Kalam!! your funny!! Tell another joke like how, hiding is from the Shia because they claim that their 12th imaam is in hiding, some say a cave others saw a well.
Saeed Hussein So Allah (swt) speaks in oxymorons? What an insulting falsehood and lie you say. *”And the first forerunners [in the faith] among the MUHAJIREEN [Abu Bakr included] and the Ansar and those who followed them with goodness- ALLAH IS PLEASED WITH THEM (Radhiullahu ‘anhum) and they are pleased with Him, and He has prepared for them gardens beneath which rivers flow, wherein they will abide forever. That is the great attainment.” (Quran **9:10**0, At-Tawba)* Abu Bakr (May Allah be pressed with him) is also mentioned as “Sāhib” (companion) in the same chapter and in several other places throughout the Quran- all good & blessed references to him. Meanwhile, Allah (swt) has also mentioned figs, olives, and onions in the Quran, and yet we *STILL* can’t find a single reference to your 12 Imams in the Quran. So guess who’s gonna be holding someone’s tongue? It will be you holding your own tongue on the Day of Resurrection, when it is made to speak and testify against the filth that you used to say against Allah (swt) and against those whom He loved & was pleased with, and you will squeeze your tongue hoping that it will stop bearing witness against you. So save yourself on that day and put yourself in a better position- become a Muslim who properly follows the Sunnah, not a blind Shi’i just because your fathers practiced it. Repent my friend- it will do you good. May Allah (swt) guide you.
Saeed Hussein Know for a fact that 90+% of Kuffar still speak better and more politely than you. You should be ashamed of your etiquette. So without needing to wait for your Imam to hold your tongue (as you say), go to the bathroom by yourself right now and wash your own tongue with soap and water, and remove the disgusting filth and vulgarity from it. Then, come back after you have become more civilized and are willing to set aside your curses & emotions, and can sincerely discuss based on evidence from Quran & Sunnah (as I have done, which you ignored and failed to respond to)- then we can have a dialogue. May Allah (swt) guide you.
The thing is if imaams get orders from Allah.. Ali(r.a) gave bayah to Abu bakr(r.a).. So was it by himself or Allah ordered him?? If it is by himself he was sinful of giving bayah to an illegitimate caliph.. If Allah ordered him Abu bakr(r.a) is a legitimate caliph.. Case closed ...
@@moh13666 yes we can. It was nothing but a fight among equals. Also, farid has covered battle of camel. Whereas what you claim are teachings of Ali are mostly fabrications narrated by people who dont even exist.
Yes that's the point made by Adnan there...but you will notice in the end he disagreed with the Hadith 🤦... saying it's made up...he is being biased here because he accepts the Hadith which suits his goal and reject the one which is against his goal .... it's not fair
Ali a s never did bayah to abu Bakr, but stay away from the self made khalifas.Imam Ali a.s never bow to munafiq. Go and read surah munafiqeen in Quran.
@@mnm2302 get your head scratching!! to your logic hazrat Ali will never bow down to the munafiqs (which indicates he has utmost hatred towards these two companions right) Are you ready for it ..... yet he keeps the name of two of his sons ABU BAKR IBN ALI !!!!!! UMAR IBN ALI !!!!!! AWWWW GOSH !! My jaw has dropped ha ha
what ? this essa played with him (farid) ! It would have been best to leave this matter to Adnan who always destroys eessa arguments. In this video, essa is playing, insulting muslims, & Farid, did not the job. Adnan is incomparable to Farid; this is why this shia played with Farid like a child with a toy. next time Farid, let the experimented one speak it will be better for Islam than you letting shia insult you & muslims without you saying nothing. (btw you are better in comic than debater. Allah yehdikum
Salaamun alaikum bro/sis. You apparently haven't read your ulama’s books. The four sunni imams have declared each other to be infidels (Kuffar) It is, however, astonishing that, knowing that the progeny of the Prophet are superior to all others, the Sunnis follow Abu'l-Hasan Ash'ari in the fundamentals of Islam and the four Imams in the articles of practice of the faith. To follow such a course is due to fanaticism and arrogance. And even if we suppose what you say is true, that your four Imams are worthy of your allegiance because they were learned and pious, then why has each of them accused the other of infidelity (Kufr)? You apparently haven't read your ulama’s books. Your own distinguished ulama’ have written books concerning their rejection. Even the four Imams have charged one another with violating divine laws. The companions of Abu Hanifa, Ibn Hajar (‘Ali Ibn Ahmad Andalusi, who died in 456 A.H.), and others have always censured Imam Malik and Muhammad Ibn Idris Shafi'i. Similarly, the companions of Imam Shafi'i, like Imamu'l- Haramain, Imam Ghazali and others have condemned Abu Hanifa and Malik. Let me ask you something: what sort of people were Imam Shafi'i, Abu Hamid Muhammad Ibn Muhammad Ghazali, and Jarullah Zamakhshari? Imam Shafi'i said: "There never was born a more damned person in Islam than Abu Hanifa." He also said: "I looked into the books of the companions of Abu Hanifa, and I found in them 130 pages containing matter in opposition to the Holy Qur'an and the Sunna." Abu Hamid Ghazali in his book ‘Manqul fi Ilmi'l-Usul’ says: "In fact Abu Hanifa distorted the religious code, made its way doubtful, changed its arrangement, and intermingled the laws in such a way that the code prescribed by the Holy Prophet was totally disfigured. One who does so deliberately and considers it lawful is an infidel. One who does it knowing it to be unlawful is a sinner." According to this great scholar, Abu Hanifa was either an infidel or a sinner. Many other books condemn Abu Hanifa. Jarullah Zamakhshari, the author of ‘Tafsir al-Kashshaf’ and one of your pious ulama’, writes in Rabiu'l-Abrar that Yusuf Ibn Asbat said: "Abu Hanifa rejected at least 400 hadith of the Prophet of Islam." Yusuf remarked that "Abu Hanifa said: 'Had the Prophet of Islam known me, he would have accepted many of my sayings.'" Your own ulama’ have made similar criticisms of Abu Hanifa and the other three Imams. They can be found in Ghazali's ‘Mutahawwal’, Shafi'i's ‘Nuqtu'sh-Sharifa’, Zamakhshari's Rabiu'l-Abrar, and Ibn Jauzi's Muntazim. Imam Ghazali says in his Mutahawwal, "There are many mistakes in Abu Hanifa's work. He had no knowledge of etymology, grammar, or hadith." He also writes, "Since he had no knowledge of hadith, he relied on his own conjecture. The first being who acted on conjecture was Satan." Ibn Jauzi writes in his Muntazim, "All the ulama’ are united in condemning Abu Hanifa. There are three categories of such critics: one group holds that his faith in the fundamentals of Islam was uncertain; another says that he lacked a strong memory and could not remember hadith; a third believes that he acted on conjecture and that his opinion was always at variance with the true hadith." Your own ulama’ have criticized your Imams. The Shi’as ulama’ have not attributed anything to them except what your own ulama’ have said about them. On the other hand, there is no difference of opinion among the Shi’as ulama’ concerning the position of the twelve Imams. We regard the Holy imams as the pupils of the same teaching. These Imams - all of them - acted according to divine laws which the last of the Prophets gave them. They never acted on conjecture or approved of innovations. What they said or did agreed with the sayings of the Prophet. Hence, there was no difference among them. For further research - click >>> www.al-islam.org/peshawar-nights-sultan-al-waadhim-sayyid-muhammad-al-musawi-ash-shirazi/fourth-session-sunday-night#four-imams-have-declared-each-other-be-infidels
Salaamun alaikum bro/sis, it is not known how your four schools of law came to be established, nor which of the four Imams saw neither the Prophet nor whether any authorization has been reported from the Prophet about them so as to explain why Muslims should be forced to follow them. Without any compelling reason you follow your elders and offer nothing to authorize their Imamate except that they were great mujtahids, men of learning and piety. But, if these qualities are present to the highest degree in the progeny of the Prophet, then isn't it obligatory for us to follow them? Are these schools of law, which have no link with the Prophet, innovations, or is that sect founded by the Prophet and led by his descendant an innovation? In the same way, there are the other eleven Imams about whom there are separate hadith showing that they are the equals of the Holy Qur'an. In the Hadith al-Thaqalain it is clearly stated that "Whoever is attached to these two is rescued, and whosoever stays away from them is lost." In the Hadith al-Safina the Prophet said: "Whosoever keeps aloof from them is drowned and lost." Ibn Hajar in Sawa'iq (Bab al-Wasiyyatu'n-Nabi, page 135), quotes a hadith from the Prophet saying that: "The Qur'an and my progeny are my Trusts; if you keep yourselves attached to these two, never shall you go astray." In support of this, Ibn Hajar quotes another hadith from the Prophet about the Holy Qur'an and his purified progeny: "Do not go beyond the bounds of the Qur'an and my progeny; do not neglect them. Otherwise, you will be destroyed. And do not teach my descendants since they know more than you do." After this, Ibn Hajar comments that the above hadith proves that the descendants of the Prophet are superior to all others in knowledge and in discharging religious responsibilities. For further research - click >>> www.al-islam.org/peshawar-nights-sultan-al-waadhim-sayyid-muhammad-al-musawi-ash-shirazi/fourth-session-sunday-night#four-imams-have-declared-each-other-be-infidels
Subhaan Allaah you seem to have many misconceptions. Just because people say 'imams' it doesn't mean that ahlu 's-Sunnah claim the same sort of thing that you believe in. The 'ulamaa talk about leaders who Allaah Ta'aalaa blessed with knowledge and made sincere In Shaa' Allaah . This has nothing to do with a false belief of infallible beings who know al-ghaib and control all affairs. The kind of claims that some try to attribute to the blessed Ahl Al-Bait Radiy Allaahu 'anhum contain clear shirk that is absolutely against the Noble Qur'aan and Sunnah. The four a'immah that are referred to are people who In Shaa' Allaah were blessed with understanding of the Din who made ijtihaad in many masaa'il . Afterwards, other 'ulamaa who studied usool issued fataawaa based on the understanding that they had learned. Allaah 'Azza waJall preserved His Din using slaves of His who carefully understood rulings from The Qur'aan and The Sunnah . Again, this is completely different from claiming that they were above the levels of Anbiyaa' and had control over all matters. True a'immah are sincere worshippers of Allaah , not mushrikoon. Ahl As-Sunnah believe in the blessed status of Ahl Al-Bait Radiy Allaahu 'anhum . They do not deny their rights. But this does not mean that we should worship anyone besides Allaah alone . We are all slaves of Allaah and must follow what He sent down according to the correct understand. This is what Ahl Al-Bait and the rest of the Sahaabah Radiy Allaahu 'anhum were upon. As for the report you mentioned, www.chiite.fr/en/hadith_04.html Allaahu A'lam
This Shia guy distorted the Bukhari hadith, in classic Twelver style. The Sunnis were not ready with texts at hand, and so went along with some false claims. In particular, Abu Bakr does not say anything about being related to the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace; he talks about the Quraysh having the most central home and being counted as best in lineage among the Arabs (thus being more likely to maintain unity than the Ansar). Abu Bakr, may Allah be pleased with him, was not talking about kinship with the Prophet, Allah bless him and grant him peace, unlike Ali in the other report, Allah be pleased with him. So it is very misleading to say that Abu Bakr accepted the same criterion as Ali did. This sort of distortion is normal for the Twelvers, so one must be on one's guard; the Shia think they have won only because the Sunnis appear to accept the falsehood that Abu Bakr put forward the same criterion for being a calpih that Ali did. In reality, Ali thought he should have been consulted because of his kinship with the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace: he didn't say he should have been made the caliph. And Abu Bakr spoke about the virtues of Quraysh that would make them readily accepted as leaders by the Arabs, as compared with the Ansar. The two men spoke about different issues, may Allah be pleased with them both, and here is our Shia debate partner saying ' Abu Bakr agreed with Ali about the criteria for being a caliph', and using that to attack his legitimacy. Never agree with what the Twelvers tell you, until you have checked it for yourself! They are so skilled at slipping in unexpected falsehoods that the Dajjal himself needs to take lessons from them.
In my humble opinion I believe that you’re doing exactly what you’re accusing the Shi’a to be doing. Ali did say in the Hadith that his argument and disagreement was because he had a right in ruling. And the fact that Omar worried for Abu Bakir’s life when Ali asked him to see him proves that this was more than just a simple disagreement not to mention Fatima’s position towards the whole situation.
Because will it be good for Ali to say, I am the Khalifa, offer bait to me, this is not what a imam does, and Hussain didn't rise against him, he refused to offer allegiance to that maggot, Salam to the prophets grandson
@@fitnessabdul6811 yeah that's my point, would it be right for a khalifa to say come bait to me, an imam is to be elected by his bravery and wisdom and knowledge, and prophet elected him but some people stole from him
Brother Adnan to issa the fake - you're using our knife to stab yourself 😂🤣🤣 This misguided rafidha uses sunni sources and overlooks what would dismantle his arguments 😂🤣
An 'illegitimate' Khalifa whom the sahaba(probably the best of followers of Islam) followed and the 1st Imam Ali RA gave bayah to. Umar RA about whom the prophet pbuh had two dreams. One of milk and the other of fully clothed. The prophet remarked on one occasion as it's the religion and on the other as knowledge. Ali RA gave her daughter in marriage to Umar RA. His intellectuality is illegitimate
The Quran and Sunnah do not give explicit commands concerning succession. Hence, Allah intends this to be a matter determined by ijtihad and consultation.
Exactly, even though I don't think much of ayatollah Khomeini, he also did not select the next leader, he died, he left it to the others who were qualified and who were around him in his lifetime to come together and select the next ayatollah.
Also the next caliph was not divinely chosen, prophet pbuh was chosen by Allah SWA, HE was divinely chosen as he was the final prophet pbuh. The shia claim otherwise.
The story Allah tells us of King Talut and Bani Israel gives us clear instructions on how leadership is established in Islam. The Hadith explains who is Caliph and what the Prophet left behind. Quran and Ahl Baytع. This Ummah did the same thing Bani Israel did when Musa left for 40 days when they expected him gone for 30 days. They did what they wanted to do instead of what they were commanded to do as evidenced by the Hadith quoted below. They weren’t allowed to select their leader. Allah chose. There is no change in the sunnah of Allah. Also when Prophet Musa ع left for 40 nights he left them in the care of Prophet Harunع. You consider the actions of men to hold more weight than Quranic evidences. So since you don’t accept Quranic evidence of how leadership is selected let’s go to an “Authentic Hadith” since that is the core of your claim to be Sunnis. Narrated by Imam Ahamd bin Hanbal via his own chain from Zaid bin Thabit who said : Prophet [pbuh] left for us two Caliphs. One is Book of Allah [swt] a rope between Earth and Skies or vice versa and Another are my AhluBayt my Progeny. These two will not seperate from eachother untill they will meet me at Pond [of Kawthar]. Musnad Ahmad bin Hanbal - Imam Ahamd bin Hanbal // Vol 35 // Page 456 // Hadith 21578 // Edn. ARisalah Alamiyyah Syria. One of the biggest lies and slanders to Allah and our Messenger is that no specific guidance was left for the leadership in Islam when we have the story of Talut in Quran and bani Israel wanting a leader. The Prophet said he left behind Quran and Ahl Bayt ع but all I ever heard 44 years in this falsehood they said Quran and sunna. Sunna has never been clearly defined as an authority which has resulted in fitnah and bloodshed since the death of our Messenger. The Ahl Baytع are clearly identified in our Hadith literature yet they still have arguments like this. If the about Hadith is Authentic than that appears to be clear guidance.
MashaAllah, two Shi’a friends listened to this debate and where so taken aback that they have now started to open heartedly, started to research into the Shi’a proofs, all because of the Hadith where Isa the black great Shi’a had not highlighted the important bits of Ali (RA) 👍
When I was studying religion at uni, we would debate and discuss numerous aspects of the Abrahamic faiths ( Judaism, Christianity and Islam), with students from the different faiths and we would never ever raise our voices or be disrespectful to our colleagues. We learnt from each other and sat and ate lunch and breakfast together while discussing different topics. I’m a Christian school teacher and I teach Islamic studies to year 11 and 12 students. I studied pre Islamic Arabia, the life of Mohammed (salat ally u sulam) ,the rise and spread of Islam. I also studied the science and methodology of the Quran. I have the utmost respect for Islam and the Quran is probably the best book I’ve ever read and studied.
actually brother, no one says the general shia muslims are kafir not even sunni's most strict scholars. they says the Mu'ammems are, because they tilt the meanings of the verses to serve their agenda. ofcourse you would find sunni people call you names, same as in shia, you just did use the term "wahhabi", this names game is bad. however brother, dont let emotional talk block you from listening or seeking the truth. Allah made a unique test for each of us, and we all ask ourselves at some point in our life, "why allah you did this and this? if only that thing did not happen I would have followed the true path". the true test is to try to defeat that argument in your mind and seek the truth nonetheless. like for example some sunnis may ask themselves, oh Allah, why did you make it not strait forward that shia are wrong for example or why did you make us fight or whatever. however, from islam name, you need to surrender to it, and be always thankfull to Allah. say to yourself that you would devote your heart to Allah even if the circumstances are not to your likeling. in my opinion, the names game is one of the biggest disasters that hit the Ummah.shia, wahhabis, etc. instead we should say those muslims that do that and this should seek repentance since there is no evidence for the legitimateness of that action. just like what the prophet used to do, whenever he hear about certain people doing wrong deeds he used to come to the public and say "what is the matter with some people doing this and that?" without naming them. keep in mind that Allah will sure reward you for overcoming emotions and following the strait path. again, may allah guide us both to the strait path.
"may allah guide both to the >" that is why I used the strait path before unite. but brother, you could have said that in a better way. even the prophet when he was dealing with sending messeges to the non muslim emperors at that time he did not call names, instead he called them by their titles, "From Muhammad, son of Abdullah to Heraclius the Leader of the Romans:". you could have said it in a way that would open their hearts to listen at least.
Saeed Hussein Well sunni with the name umar and Abu bakr ) are being slaughter in Iraq yet you flailed to mention that. Regarding uniting we will never unite with those who curse our mothers and who curse the sahaba (RA) mobile.twitter.com/82Shaikh/status/990713290618757120/video/1
Omar Rawashdeh Yeah read my comments "we won't unit with those who curse..." so by default if they stop cursing and change their ways then there is hope! otherwise I don't think so!!
Farid is showing such patience in the face of conceded pride, Masha`Allah. I have been watching Farids channel with much enthusiasm. I pray Allah continue to guide this dear brother in his Dawatullah
Issa the fake goes in cyclical argumentation - everytime his arguments and hadith evidences are destroyed, he goes back to the SAME argument and hadiths 2 minutes later. May Allah guide this rafidha who has been deprived of intellect by the devious shia who have taught him.
Brandon Lee wtf ... speechless .... hes was the most polite u fool with all the sharks surrounding him ... if u dont agree with him say so dont chat shit ... get rid of the hate mate ...
Isa didn't win. Ali still pledged his alligence (have bayat) to Abu Bakr As Siddiq.. Muhammad (sa) according to Dr. Yasir Qadi gave Abu Bakr succession in certain terms I forget the exact wording. But if you watch his videos on "Lives of the Sahaba Abu Bakr As Siddiq" by Dr Yasir Qadi you will find the information I'm talking about
Ernest L. Peña I think yasir qadhi mentioned that that the prophet told abu bakr(SAW) to lead the prayers when he was severely ill. When Omar(RA) lead the prayer muhammad(SAW) wasn’t happy and wanted abu bakr(RA) to lead the prayer. Of all the sahabah he wanted abu bakr(RA) to lead it which some would infer as muhammad (SAW)wanted him to being the first to succeed
Ernest L. Peña can anyone just answer my question why would a man of god perfect for all time want to marry a child of six ? Have nine wives and sex slaves if oust is evil by most religions?
Mark Hall first of all he had 0 sex slaves and as for aisha she was not six but nine and its scientifically proven that a 9 year old 1400 years old would be an older age now
When Ali r.a agreed on Abu Bakar Khalifat why not shia too agree? Don't they follow Ali r.a. The reason is whatever the bottom line he acknowledged the khilafa
@Reza _ If this is true that He took 6 months then you can take 6 months as well and then accept it? Dont you follow Ali ra? or if you mean he could not made the decsion before 6 months then you are accusing Ali ra as being a poor leader who lacked in decison makeing Quality (which I dont belive at all). or if you mean he was forced or situation made him to accept Abu Bakr as a leader. then you are accusing him a weak leader which would mean he was volunerable to be manupulated by external factors such as people, situation etc. (but I belive Ali ra was a strong leader).
Isa didnt respond any of farid's question. He was always trying to take topic away. On the other hand, farid respond on every question isa asked was logical and conciese.
Eesa, the niqabi Shia girl, follows the tactic of Shaytanyari! In the introduction, as soon as things come to a point of agreement for the topic, thereby bringing the fall of his own religion near, he resorts to making inflammatory comments (to instigate). By the way, I have never seen another "ism" like Shiaism which is refuted by the same proofs they provide (to prove their own legitimacy).
I don't think this "Isa" guy is Shia let alone Muslim. I also think this debate needed a moderator and a topic since when you debate a fool they bring you down to their level with foolishness. He didn't have a debate topic just insults.
Azhadar110. I do watch it dumb rafidhi. The main bayat team consists of Pakistanis and 1 Australian- sayed Ali, raza, zayn, haroon and ryan and I think a few others- none speak fluent arabic or understand it properly. This shadi came later and even the his arguments are very poor and he misconstrues hadith. He was destroyed and shamed on sunni defense channel so I don't think you know what you're talking about.
Saeed Hussein. The pagan centres of qom and najaf where they can't speak Arabic as claimed by allahyari himself- allahyari can't prove imamah in 2 hours and so he ran away from farid. He claimed that he wants more than one debate on the same topic because he can't prove his false belief of imamah in 1 debate and so he relies on dubious hadith, lies and non sequiturs😂. The Shiite cult is funny indeed
HajiJesus wow this thread turned to garbage. But anyway I almost made the same mistake I was a former Christian and shiaism seemed comfortable because similarities between Christianity and Shia traditions... But I realized if I wanna become a Muslim I must do it right and follow the Sunnah and don't go with what feels comfortable because it fits what I'm used to, but go with the truth and what makes sense. Cause Christianity never made sense to me and Sunni made more sense than Shia-ism
Firstly: So what if Ali was not consulted, when was he ever the deciding factor in legitimising a caliph? That being said, he gave bayah 6 months later and asked Allah for *FORGIVENESS* , so that *DOES* mean Abu Bakr was a legitimate caliph, because Ali admitted he was wrong... Wait, unless you're saying Ali was lying to the people and to *Allah* ?
Brother Farid did an amazing job. Calm and composed Brother Isa cannot answer the basic question of why Hazrat Ali r.a accepted Abu Bakr r.a khilafah if it was illegitimate. Adnan bhai is legend
Did anyone notice the blatant lie of the Shia debater when he insisted there were Shias present and then couldn't point to one? These people are so comfortable with lieing it is like breathing to them. I wonder how they get anything done, since they must find it hard to believe each other. 😀
That Jew and that snake both are sympathizing with the shia. I mean come on, calipahate is not requirment of Iman. If two muslim factions are in deasagreement for land,rulership or whatever worldly, it does not make them dibeliever. We acknowledge both Abu Bakr,Ali,Umar,Uthman RA as righteous sahabas. They may have their disagreement but we dont make one party infaliable and worship them like God.
Everyone should watch the series of "the Lives of the Sahaba" by Dr Yasir Qadi the first 9 or 10 episodes are about Abu Bakr As Siddiq and gives very very great knowledgeable information and history for all sects to learn Al haqq
All these people who are trolling him don't represent Sunnis we should know our brother is caught in some fitna we should be humble enough while unveiling the truth to him
Isa didn't say Ali swore an oath to Abu Bakr because his feelings were hurt. Assertions like that take away the chances of having a genuine conversation. We must see the persons point, not just do anything we can to discredit them. May Allah(swt) unite us on truth.
That's what the hadith that he brought said, he had a chance to give his own explanation on why Ali accepted Abu Bakr as the legitimate Islamic leader but he did not.
1. Even for the sake of argument you agree with the shia that Ali (R.A) took 6 months to give allegiance to Abu Bakr (R.A), he did not even once did object the caliphate of Abu Bakar Siddique during those 6 months nor did call others to do soo. 2. As Farid rightly responded it is not a necessity for every person present in ummah to give allegiance to make that caliphate legitimate. 3. And as for the statement by Umar (R.A) on the giving allegiance after after fulfilling all the criteria, this could be taken in two ways. a. It could be a naseeha given by Umar for the future generations. b. And after the death of prophet Muhammad (S.A.W) the Ummah was is distress, so difficult situation call for difficult solutions. Did any other sahaba objected to that. No. But did the sahaba had difference in opinion yes.
The Hadith of Umar (RA) is being taken out of context. What he stated was that the entire situation was chaotic at that time, right after Ansar decided to gather at Saqeefa.
Ali (RA) was upset he wasn't consulted. This doesn't necessarily mean he was against the appointment of Abu Bakr (RA), hence why he gave him bayah after 6 months. If he was illegitimate, Ali (RA) would never have given him bayah, ever. Plus, the claim about the person being closest to Rasool should have been appointed, which according to this is the criteria set by Abu Bakr, did this mean closest in bloodline or closest in companionship? How did this guy reach the conclusion that Abu Bakr referred to the bloodline?
So after a hour of debating (if you want to call it that) "the black shia" eventually won the debating by proving abu bakr to be the rightful khalifa ?????
Allah/God, the Creator of everything, has always sent Prophets with one message: Worshipp the One God ! (Qur'an, surah Anbiya, ayat 25) The Arabs, the world at all, was in deep chaos in the 7th century, and then God sent his final messenger Muhammad s.a.w.s., who in 23 years turned a whole people to pure monotheists, and spread it from the East to the West, a religion, which is growing faster and faster till this day. But the shia claim, that Muhammad s.a.v.s. was sent for one purpose: to say how his cousin is a allmighty supernatural demigod, whom you should invoke and waste money on tombs Please shias, finally convert to Islam
The Sunni guy is saying ijama, consent of the scholars ( or the main tribes in this instance), provides a justification for Abu Bakr's Caliphate. No islam involved, no textual authority, except the critical and doubtful remarks of Umar. the second Caliph (murdered a few years later) for what is a fundamental Islamic institution. Caliphate is an ultimate driving force in Islamic history, a key to the birth of so many sects, factions, disagreements; and wars: yet no Islamic authority except the weakish, third source of sunni Islam, the improvised notion of ijama? It is astonishing. It is like saying a majority ruled government, no matter its tyranny, is legitimate as long as the people of influence and the uneducated mob believe the ruler is acceptable. No wonder Islamic political thought is outdated, and with this type of political thinking the future for Islamic government looks bleak. and mass migration from Sunni countries shall continue. In passing, the Bahrani guy should have been asked why the sunni minority rule a shia majority in his country, and what islamic mechanism the ruling family, Al Khalifa, use to justify it.
Isa makes some good points regarding this. Ali himself clearly states that he did not recognise Abu Bakir as a Khalif and gave the reasons behind his position. The sunni brother Farid from Bahrain says that Ali's bay3a is binding and that he gave it anyway, and that he didn't have to officially do so. In this scenario, I tend to side with Ali's opinion and not the sunni brother. Sunni brother Farid is in no pisition to teach Imam Ali what he should and should not do and what is binding and not binding. He also stated that Ali didn't have to be there in the Saqifah when they chose Abu Bakir. Imam Ali obviously thought otherwise... Again, I would like to side with Imam Ali's opinion and not the sunni brother. Another point which Isa the shia forgot to mention which is extremly important is the position and stance Fatima took towards Abu Bakir. She refused to talk to Abu Bakir, and died angry with him. She also ordered that Abu Bakir DOES NOT pray on her and that Imam Ali does so. She also ordered to be buried at night! This action from Fatima proves that she did not recognise Abu Bakir as a Khalifa, as a matter of fact she recognised Imam Ali to be the one since he prayed on her. If we add to this the fact that Imam Ali himself stated that this Khilafah was for him and that Abu Bakir took it from him.. it's obvious what the position of Ahlul Bait and a few of the companions was. As for the reasons to why Imam Ali gave bay3ah, the hadith is very clear that under normal circumstances, Ali wouldn't have done so, and that islam was under extreme pressure of rupture should he continue with his position. Just look at what happened when Ali actually became the Khalif ... 3aysha mother of believers and Mu3awyeh kicked off and fought him. If he was to continue refusing to give Bay3ah to abu bakir, the situation would've been much worse with many tribes turning away from Islam, and the infant muslim nation being surrounded by enemies left right and centre. If imam Ali chose to give Bay3ah for the sake of Islam, then why do sunnis and Shias continue to argue and cause divisions? Let the shia accept that Abu Bakir was a Khalifah.. this does not harm imam Ali if shias truly believe that he was the best companion. Imam Hasan gave bay3ah to mu3awyeh.. which is even worse than Abu Bakir from Shia point of view... This does not make Mu3awyeh better than Imam Hassan, not even the most extreme sunni would say that! These things happened more than 1400 years ago... is it not time to move on my dear brothers and sisters? More than happy to discuss my comment above .. not to prove who's right or wrong BUT to debate the historical aspect of the events that took place.
The answer to the Shi'i claim was actually this simple: The 'process' of electing the Khalifah inside the Saqifa was completely Islamic. What they did was called 'Shura', and it's ordered in the Quran upon muslims when there's difference of opinion among them. When muslims are in 'mushawarah' (the process of 'Shura') they brought up their opinions and the daleel of it. The Ansar had no daleel to appoint a leader from them, so... they were wrong in that respect. Moreover because Rasulullah sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam said that the Khalifah must be from Quraysh. So, Abu Bakr as-Siddiq radiyallahu 'anhu was an Islamic Khalifah according to Kitabullah and Sunnah.
Rocke Linez well even shia in the end need shura in iran to appoint their longest leader, khamenei. And that election was done while khomeini hasnt even buried. I guess those ayatola did a saqifa 😁
Gila Bola Don't know about Khamenei, but even according to Shia sources, if Muhajireen and Ansar agreed upon something then it is an Ijma of muslims and Allah will be pleased with it. It's in Nahjul Balaghah, in one of Alis letter to Muawiyah.
This was just awesome. I wish Shia bladerunner was not so much of a coward and had the guts to debate farid. So that farid could spill his guts out as well 😂😂😂
Saeed Hussein 😂 seriously do you believe that Ali (RA) was a coward you muppet ? Ali was one of the most brave !! He would never have given Bayah wether it be 6 months or 2 years later !! If Abu Bakr (RA) was illegitimate he would have never given bayah !!!! Fools l, oh so Ali gave bayah to befriend the so called ‘apostates’ ??? And he denied that Ali was not infallible!!!!
Saeed Hussein Lol are you talking about the same gutting power that your "first infallible imaam" had?? when he, according to you stood there watching whilst a fallible man beat his wife, causing her death and the death of her unborn foetus? Or perhaps he allowed all this to occur because he wanted to "please the people and keep the peace" I think It would be a great idea to give some of this "gutting power" to your "12th infallible imaam" who is hiding out in a cave/ well somewhere, perhaps that would give him the courage to finally come out after 1200 years. Rather it appears he isn't convinced by the "gutting power" you claim you have, just as no one else is!!! loooooool
Saeed Hussein I love ahlulbayt which includes the wife's of or messenger peace be upon him. It's not me who insults the honour of our messenger peace be upon him by cursing his wife's, it's not me who insults the honour of Ali (RA) by making up stories about how he didn't defend his honour and allowed another man to kill his wife, while he stood there and watched. Thats you who does that and that's what your religion teaches you!!! Yet you claim to be lovers of ahlulbayt ! It's your region which tells you to call on others aside from Allah not mine!! Which acutely officlsu makes you Ma kafir because Allah doesn't forgive Shirk if you die upon it. We don't pick and chose those in ahlulbayt who we love and those who We curse unlike your religion of transgression, WE LOVE THEM ALL and don't spread falsehood about them unlike you. So I think according to your logic your the kafir who hates ahlulbayt
When I saw the topic I was shocked as I never thought any one needs to discuss the legitimacy of Abu Bakar ra (one who Prophet Muhammad pbuh) clearly said loves most .
Hahaha this isa guy is a pure clown. Lol. A Pure jester. I watched this just to laugh. Fareed you should have debated someone with at least a bit of knowledge and decency. Lol
R. Real They fear debating Farid. He sent debate challenges to many of them, most active ones. Nothing. No taker. Closes is the one in San Diego who wanted 6 hours of one topic debate. Besides, watch Shimrani pre-debate and you understand the mind of Allayari.
Umar said saqifa can't be repeated reasons. because no one will be allowed to gang up for the caliphate like ansars did. Allah saved the bayah from the devils. In saqifa the closeness to descendants means closeness to ismail as the quraish have. The children of Ibrahim as.
wears mask to avoid fame and arrogance, gives himself the title "Isa the great black intellectual shia"?
hahahaha
Ammar its Isa the great intellectual black Shi’a 😂
@@marioneichelberger1237 good point
maybe he was greatest intellectual black shia in all of hyde park and that was the best argument he could come up & maybe most of those pages are blank and he highlighted all the irrelevant parts and complain about people around him to make it look like he needs more then an hour but ends up getting refuting himself in few mins.
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Lol he is cautious about mask he started wearing From 2years ago
Farid's character ❤❤
Farid's channel Farid Responds: th-cam.com/channels/D38osGNyt3LiEoUDRs1c7w.html
2manyusernamestaken I see you in every video lol
@@امرؤالقيس-ن2خ same
Subhan Allah what an awful attitude the other guy has, he is far from humble. He is so cocky and hateful. I would run out of patient with this guy. Manipulative and lack of discipline.Arrogant, lack of respect and Disgusting!!
instablaster.
When the Jew says he's standing for the Shia.
Couldn't things be any clearer?
Really?
Obviously, since a jew, Abdullah ibn Saba, founded Shi'ism
@@IslamicLecturesus even if that statement was true, how is it remotely related or do you just enjoy echo chambers?
@@Warboss777 2+2=4. The jews support Shi'ites because they came from the same source. Did you know that the largest group of jews in Asia outside Israel is in Iran?
@@IslamicLecturesus ah.. israel supports iran right 🤡
I have never seen someone as humble as brother Farid masha'allah
سبحان الله
Lol the Jew in the background sticking up and cheering for the Shia (what’s new)
Well it was a jew thst started the shia sect so hes ganna support him
Don't forget Kalam the snake.
Was that Jew guy called sabba who started shism
Abdullah ibn saba,,, was his name
@Osama Manan i havent seen evidence from shias Muawiyah cursed Ali, only kawarij who were with shias did.
Debate starts at 18:20
so what were they doing for 18 mints
Thanks
33:02 Farid lands the knockout blow
Thank you..
JazakAllah Khair
Niqabi Eesa needs at least 2 minutes and longer and his 500 page folder to try to make a point and Brother Farid needs 10 Seconds of his time an NO preparation to refute him.
Funny how isa's insults kept getting more and more derogatory as he went on until adnan stepped in. Props to fareed who was standing there patiently!
So you didn't hear the insults from farids sunni friends ?
@@supremewisdom4878 Can you point out the timestamps?
@@trying1407 he imagined them.
@@jessiehuynh7495 Clearly lol
@@jessiehuynh7495 they're fictional just like their imams
brown Bahrain Farid masa Allah...u r gem bro
This was the best answer ever :) Mashallah Farid is a jewel 💎!
F. Moussa....r u satirising my comment or u really think my comment is appropriate for brother Farid bro..?
Md.jamal Sheikh No it was a nice answer Bro! While the Shia guy claimed to be the terminator scholar, Farid was humble and gave a description of himself. Hence i wrote great answer. Jazak Allah kheir and no joking was intended.
F. Moussa...bari kallah fee..bro...Brother Farid along with Sunni Defence challen is doing a great job masa Allah!...What is this shia guy talking he got refuted by brother Shamsi from glorious Quran....
I am from India bro...where r u from Brother..?
Issa the fake quotes that Ali (ra) said 'We know the superiority Allah has GIVEN you' to Abu Bakr. Allahuakbar☝️☝️☝️
This shia just proved that Abu Bakr (ra) caliphate was legitimate and GIVEN by Allah.
Saeed Hussein🤣🤣 a 'fabrication' used by your shia defender as a proof. The Shiites are so dopy💩🤣
Saeed Hussein. Kulayni The man who complied al Kafi- the most 'authentic' book of shia was a kafir.
The thing is if imaams get orders from Allah..
Ali(r.a) gave bayah to Abu bakr(r.a)..
So was it by himself or Allah ordered him??
If it is by himself he was sinful of giving bayah to an illegitimate caliph..
If Allah ordered him
Abu bakr(r.a) is a legitimate caliph..
Case closed ...
Given by Allah?
Milky cow!
Man I want farid to be a regular there
Brandon Lee
Bro he is from Bahrain and he has gone back. In shaa Allah he will be back when the Shia's come out of hiding.
The Shias are Muslim bro no need for hiding. Do you know prophet told them not engage with ignorant people and my advice.
Is to keep calm
cap ba
Oh so the prophet peace be upon him, told the Shia to not to engage with ignorants, but told them it's perfectly ok to associate with those who mock Allah and his messenger e.g. Kalam!! your funny!! Tell another joke like how, hiding is from the Shia because they claim that their 12th imaam is in hiding, some say a cave others saw a well.
Shaad Rangila
Their whole religion is damage control bro. They are pro at it,they have life long experience.
LOL... This is difficult to watch, seeing how his 'intellect' being dismantled...
acc. to shiasm intel is deception, similar to their judeo dajjal forefather ibn saba.
All I heard was --- CLEAR CUT CLEAR CUT CLEAR CUT. If this is intellect...then Donald Trump is Aristotle!!!
Mustafain Ahmed
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Lol best comment
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Shia intellectual - what an oxymoron
Just like the fugitive imam
Saeed Hussein So Allah (swt) speaks in oxymorons? What an insulting falsehood and lie you say. *”And the first forerunners [in the faith] among the MUHAJIREEN [Abu Bakr included] and the Ansar and those who followed them with goodness- ALLAH IS PLEASED WITH THEM (Radhiullahu ‘anhum) and they are pleased with Him, and He has prepared for them gardens beneath which rivers flow, wherein they will abide forever. That is the great attainment.” (Quran **9:10**0, At-Tawba)* Abu Bakr (May Allah be pressed with him) is also mentioned as “Sāhib” (companion) in the same chapter and in several other places throughout the Quran- all good & blessed references to him. Meanwhile, Allah (swt) has also mentioned figs, olives, and onions in the Quran, and yet we *STILL* can’t find a single reference to your 12 Imams in the Quran. So guess who’s gonna be holding someone’s tongue? It will be you holding your own tongue on the Day of Resurrection, when it is made to speak and testify against the filth that you used to say against Allah (swt) and against those whom He loved & was pleased with, and you will squeeze your tongue hoping that it will stop bearing witness against you. So save yourself on that day and put yourself in a better position- become a Muslim who properly follows the Sunnah, not a blind Shi’i just because your fathers practiced it. Repent my friend- it will do you good. May Allah (swt) guide you.
Saeed Hussein Know for a fact that 90+% of Kuffar still speak better and more politely than you. You should be ashamed of your etiquette. So without needing to wait for your Imam to hold your tongue (as you say), go to the bathroom by yourself right now and wash your own tongue with soap and water, and remove the disgusting filth and vulgarity from it. Then, come back after you have become more civilized and are willing to set aside your curses & emotions, and can sincerely discuss based on evidence from Quran & Sunnah (as I have done, which you ignored and failed to respond to)- then we can have a dialogue. May Allah (swt) guide you.
FireFist Ace shia intellectual dog.
Abdul S. SubhanAllah
The thing is if imaams get orders from Allah..
Ali(r.a) gave bayah to Abu bakr(r.a)..
So was it by himself or Allah ordered him??
If it is by himself he was sinful of giving bayah to an illegitimate caliph..
If Allah ordered him
Abu bakr(r.a) is a legitimate caliph..
Case closed ...
Wow, success is for the muslims man, truest statement i ever read wallahi
@@moh13666 yes we can. It was nothing but a fight among equals. Also, farid has covered battle of camel. Whereas what you claim are teachings of Ali are mostly fabrications narrated by people who dont even exist.
Yes that's the point made by Adnan there...but you will notice in the end he disagreed with the Hadith 🤦... saying it's made up...he is being biased here because he accepts the Hadith which suits his goal and reject the one which is against his goal .... it's not fair
Ali a s never did bayah to abu Bakr, but stay away from the self made khalifas.Imam Ali a.s never bow to munafiq.
Go and read surah munafiqeen in Quran.
@@mnm2302 get your head scratching!! to your logic hazrat Ali will never bow down to the munafiqs (which indicates he has utmost hatred towards these two companions right)
Are you ready for it .....
yet he keeps the name of two of his sons
ABU BAKR IBN ALI !!!!!!
UMAR IBN ALI !!!!!!
AWWWW GOSH !! My jaw has dropped ha ha
All kufars against sunni islam there insecurity is just gushing
AlF onSo most important thing.
@@maryammuslimah7660 Salam Maryam, if you have any social media, can please tell me. Id like to have a word with you. JazakAllah Khair
This Farid guy is sharp and witty hahaha mashallah , and i actually thought Isa was bringing new evidence he used the exact same claims .
what ? this essa played with him (farid) ! It would have been best to leave this matter to Adnan who always destroys eessa arguments. In this video, essa is playing, insulting muslims, & Farid, did not the job.
Adnan is incomparable to Farid; this is why this shia played with Farid like a child with a toy.
next time Farid, let the experimented one speak it will be better for Islam than you letting shia insult you & muslims without you saying nothing. (btw you are better in comic than debater. Allah yehdikum
Steve Austin
You missed it
abu bakr's khalifah was a sudden slip
THAT'S IT LOLOLOL
Isa annihilated him
Salaamun alaikum bro/sis. You apparently haven't read your ulama’s books. The four sunni imams have declared each other to be infidels (Kuffar)
It is, however, astonishing that, knowing that the progeny of the Prophet are superior to all others, the Sunnis follow Abu'l-Hasan Ash'ari in the fundamentals of Islam and the four Imams in the articles of practice of the faith.
To follow such a course is due to fanaticism and arrogance. And even if we suppose what you say is true, that your four Imams are worthy of your allegiance because they were learned and pious, then why has each of them accused the other of infidelity (Kufr)?
You apparently haven't read your ulama’s books. Your own distinguished ulama’ have written books concerning their rejection. Even the four Imams have charged one another with violating divine laws.
The companions of Abu Hanifa, Ibn Hajar (‘Ali Ibn Ahmad Andalusi, who died in 456 A.H.), and others have always censured Imam Malik and Muhammad Ibn Idris Shafi'i. Similarly, the companions of Imam Shafi'i, like Imamu'l- Haramain, Imam Ghazali and others have condemned Abu Hanifa and Malik. Let me ask you something: what sort of people were Imam Shafi'i, Abu Hamid Muhammad Ibn Muhammad Ghazali, and Jarullah Zamakhshari?
Imam Shafi'i said: "There never was born a more damned person in Islam than Abu Hanifa." He also said: "I looked into the books of the companions of Abu Hanifa, and I found in them 130 pages containing matter in opposition to the Holy Qur'an and the Sunna."
Abu Hamid Ghazali in his book ‘Manqul fi Ilmi'l-Usul’ says: "In fact Abu Hanifa distorted the religious code, made its way doubtful, changed its arrangement, and intermingled the laws in such a way that the code prescribed by the Holy Prophet was totally disfigured. One who does so deliberately and considers it lawful is an infidel. One who does it knowing it to be unlawful is a sinner." According to this great scholar, Abu Hanifa was either an infidel or a sinner.
Many other books condemn Abu Hanifa. Jarullah Zamakhshari, the author of ‘Tafsir al-Kashshaf’ and one of your pious ulama’, writes in Rabiu'l-Abrar that Yusuf Ibn Asbat said: "Abu Hanifa rejected at least 400 hadith of the Prophet of Islam." Yusuf remarked that "Abu Hanifa said: 'Had the Prophet of Islam known me, he would have accepted many of my sayings.'"
Your own ulama’ have made similar criticisms of Abu Hanifa and the other three Imams. They can be found in Ghazali's ‘Mutahawwal’, Shafi'i's ‘Nuqtu'sh-Sharifa’, Zamakhshari's Rabiu'l-Abrar, and Ibn Jauzi's Muntazim. Imam Ghazali says in his Mutahawwal, "There are many mistakes in Abu Hanifa's work. He had no knowledge of etymology, grammar, or hadith." He also writes, "Since he had no knowledge of hadith, he relied on his own conjecture. The first being who acted on conjecture was Satan."
Ibn Jauzi writes in his Muntazim, "All the ulama’ are united in condemning Abu Hanifa. There are three categories of such critics: one group holds that his faith in the fundamentals of Islam was uncertain; another says that he lacked a strong memory and could not remember hadith; a third believes that he acted on conjecture and that his opinion was always at variance with the true hadith."
Your own ulama’ have criticized your Imams. The Shi’as ulama’ have not attributed anything to them except what your own ulama’ have said about them. On the other hand, there is no difference of opinion among the Shi’as ulama’ concerning the position of the twelve Imams.
We regard the Holy imams as the pupils of the same teaching. These Imams - all of them - acted according to divine laws which the last of the Prophets gave them. They never acted on conjecture or approved of innovations. What they said or did agreed with the sayings of the Prophet. Hence, there was no difference among them.
For further research - click >>> www.al-islam.org/peshawar-nights-sultan-al-waadhim-sayyid-muhammad-al-musawi-ash-shirazi/fourth-session-sunday-night#four-imams-have-declared-each-other-be-infidels
Salaamun alaikum bro/sis, it is not known how your four schools of law came to be established, nor which of the four Imams saw neither the Prophet nor whether any authorization has been reported from the Prophet about them so as to explain why Muslims should be forced to follow them.
Without any compelling reason you follow your elders and offer nothing to authorize their Imamate except that they were great mujtahids, men of learning and piety. But, if these qualities are present to the highest degree in the progeny of the Prophet, then isn't it obligatory for us to follow them?
Are these schools of law, which have no link with the Prophet, innovations, or is that sect founded by the Prophet and led by his descendant an innovation? In the same way, there are the other eleven Imams about whom there are separate hadith showing that they are the equals of the Holy Qur'an.
In the Hadith al-Thaqalain it is clearly stated that "Whoever is attached to these two is rescued, and whosoever stays away from them is lost." In the Hadith al-Safina the Prophet said: "Whosoever keeps aloof from them is drowned and lost." Ibn Hajar in Sawa'iq (Bab al-Wasiyyatu'n-Nabi, page 135), quotes a hadith from the Prophet saying that: "The Qur'an and my progeny are my Trusts; if you keep yourselves attached to these two, never shall you go astray."
In support of this, Ibn Hajar quotes another hadith from the Prophet about the Holy Qur'an and his purified progeny: "Do not go beyond the bounds of the Qur'an and my progeny; do not neglect them. Otherwise, you will be destroyed. And do not teach my descendants since they know more than you do."
After this, Ibn Hajar comments that the above hadith proves that the descendants of the Prophet are superior to all others in knowledge and in discharging religious responsibilities.
For further research - click >>> www.al-islam.org/peshawar-nights-sultan-al-waadhim-sayyid-muhammad-al-musawi-ash-shirazi/fourth-session-sunday-night#four-imams-have-declared-each-other-be-infidels
Subhaan Allaah you seem to have many misconceptions.
Just because people say 'imams' it doesn't mean that ahlu 's-Sunnah claim the same sort of thing that you believe in. The 'ulamaa talk about leaders who Allaah Ta'aalaa blessed with knowledge and made sincere In Shaa' Allaah . This has nothing to do with a false belief of infallible beings who know al-ghaib and control all affairs. The kind of claims that some try to attribute to the blessed Ahl Al-Bait Radiy Allaahu 'anhum contain clear shirk that is absolutely against the Noble Qur'aan and Sunnah.
The four a'immah that are referred to are people who In Shaa' Allaah were blessed with understanding of the Din who made ijtihaad in many masaa'il . Afterwards, other 'ulamaa who studied usool issued fataawaa based on the understanding that they had learned. Allaah 'Azza waJall preserved His Din using slaves of His who carefully understood rulings from The Qur'aan and The Sunnah . Again, this is completely different from claiming that they were above the levels of Anbiyaa' and had control over all matters. True a'immah are sincere worshippers of Allaah , not mushrikoon.
Ahl As-Sunnah believe in the blessed status of Ahl Al-Bait Radiy Allaahu 'anhum . They do not deny their rights. But this does not mean that we should worship anyone besides Allaah alone . We are all slaves of Allaah and must follow what He sent down according to the correct understand. This is what Ahl Al-Bait and the rest of the Sahaabah Radiy Allaahu 'anhum were upon.
As for the report you mentioned,
www.chiite.fr/en/hadith_04.html
Allaahu A'lam
This Shia guy distorted the Bukhari hadith, in classic Twelver style. The Sunnis were not ready with texts at hand, and so went along with some false claims. In particular, Abu Bakr does not say anything about being related to the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace; he talks about the Quraysh having the most central home and being counted as best in lineage among the Arabs (thus being more likely to maintain unity than the Ansar). Abu Bakr, may Allah be pleased with him, was not talking about kinship with the Prophet, Allah bless him and grant him peace, unlike Ali in the other report, Allah be pleased with him. So it is very misleading to say that Abu Bakr accepted the same criterion as Ali did. This sort of distortion is normal for the Twelvers, so one must be on one's guard; the Shia think they have won only because the Sunnis appear to accept the falsehood that Abu Bakr put forward the same criterion for being a calpih that Ali did.
In reality, Ali thought he should have been consulted because of his kinship with the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace: he didn't say he should have been made the caliph. And Abu Bakr spoke about the virtues of Quraysh that would make them readily accepted as leaders by the Arabs, as compared with the Ansar. The two men spoke about different issues, may Allah be pleased with them both, and here is our Shia debate partner saying ' Abu Bakr agreed with Ali about the criteria for being a caliph', and using that to attack his legitimacy.
Never agree with what the Twelvers tell you, until you have checked it for yourself! They are so skilled at slipping in unexpected falsehoods that the Dajjal himself needs to take lessons from them.
This comment needs to be pinned.
If he distorted the hadith automatic he lost and makes his point pointless
Omar Mirza
In my humble opinion I believe that you’re doing exactly what you’re accusing the Shi’a to be doing. Ali did say in the Hadith that his argument and disagreement was because he had a right in ruling.
And the fact that Omar worried for Abu Bakir’s life when Ali asked him to see him proves that this was more than just a simple disagreement not to mention Fatima’s position towards the whole situation.
So eloquently put.....💥💥💥
Why did Ali not rise against Abu Bakr the way Husayn rose against Yazid?
Because will it be good for Ali to say, I am the Khalifa, offer bait to me, this is not what a imam does, and Hussain didn't rise against him, he refused to offer allegiance to that maggot, Salam to the prophets grandson
@@hussain_abbas7789 You have a point.
I think that makes Ali RA better if he was supposed to be the first caliph. He had his position taken from him but didn't fight over it.
@@fitnessabdul6811 yeah that's my point, would it be right for a khalifa to say come bait to me, an imam is to be elected by his bravery and wisdom and knowledge, and prophet elected him but some people stole from him
@@hussain_abbas7789 No, it wouldn't be right. However I disagree, the Prophet SAW never elected Ali RA.
Brother Adnan to issa the fake - you're using our knife to stab yourself 😂🤣🤣
This misguided rafidha uses sunni sources and overlooks what would dismantle his arguments 😂🤣
An 'illegitimate' Khalifa whom the sahaba(probably the best of followers of Islam) followed and the 1st Imam Ali RA gave bayah to. Umar RA about whom the prophet pbuh had two dreams. One of milk and the other of fully clothed. The prophet remarked on one occasion as it's the religion and on the other as knowledge. Ali RA gave her daughter in marriage to Umar RA. His intellectuality is illegitimate
The Quran and Sunnah do not give explicit commands concerning succession. Hence, Allah intends this to be a matter determined by ijtihad and consultation.
Exactly, even though I don't think much of ayatollah Khomeini, he also did not select the next leader, he died, he left it to the others who were qualified and who were around him in his lifetime to come together and select the next ayatollah.
Also the next caliph was not divinely chosen, prophet pbuh was chosen by Allah SWA, HE was divinely chosen as he was the final prophet pbuh. The shia claim otherwise.
The story Allah tells us of King Talut and Bani Israel gives us clear instructions on how leadership is established in Islam.
The Hadith explains who is Caliph and what the Prophet left behind. Quran and Ahl Baytع.
This Ummah did the same thing Bani Israel did when Musa left for 40 days when they expected him gone for 30 days. They did what they wanted to do instead of what they were commanded to do as evidenced by the Hadith quoted below.
They weren’t allowed to select their leader.
Allah chose.
There is no change in the sunnah of Allah.
Also when Prophet Musa ع left for 40 nights he left them in the care of Prophet Harunع.
You consider the actions of men to hold more weight than Quranic evidences.
So since you don’t accept Quranic evidence of how leadership is selected let’s go to an “Authentic Hadith” since that is the core of your claim to be Sunnis.
Narrated by Imam Ahamd bin Hanbal via his own chain from Zaid bin Thabit who said :
Prophet [pbuh] left for us two Caliphs. One is Book of Allah [swt] a rope between Earth and Skies or vice versa and Another are my AhluBayt my Progeny. These two will not seperate from eachother untill they will meet me at Pond [of Kawthar].
Musnad Ahmad bin Hanbal - Imam Ahamd bin Hanbal // Vol 35 // Page 456 // Hadith 21578 // Edn. ARisalah Alamiyyah Syria.
One of the biggest lies and slanders to Allah and our Messenger is that no specific guidance was left for the leadership in Islam when we have the story of Talut in Quran and bani Israel wanting a leader.
The Prophet said he left behind Quran and Ahl Bayt ع but all I ever heard 44 years in this falsehood they said Quran and sunna.
Sunna has never been clearly defined as an authority which has resulted in fitnah and bloodshed since the death of our Messenger.
The Ahl Baytع are clearly identified in our Hadith literature yet they still have arguments like this.
If the about Hadith is Authentic than that appears to be clear guidance.
MashaAllah, two Shi’a friends listened to this debate and where so taken aback that they have now started to open heartedly, started to research into the Shi’a proofs, all because of the Hadith where Isa the black great Shi’a had not highlighted the important bits of Ali (RA) 👍
That's so good MashaAllah
This great Isa was complaining before the debate (diff vid) that Sunnis pick and choose yet Isa picks and choose
Badal Rana
Who Shiasm is based on that. He is on another level.
When Adnan is smiling you know what he thinks of Isa ''the great'' xD
When I was studying religion at uni, we would debate and discuss numerous aspects of the Abrahamic faiths ( Judaism, Christianity and Islam), with students from the different faiths and we would never ever raise our voices or be disrespectful to our colleagues. We learnt from each other and sat and ate lunch and breakfast together while discussing different topics. I’m a Christian school teacher and I teach Islamic studies to year 11 and 12 students. I studied pre Islamic Arabia, the life of Mohammed (salat ally u sulam) ,the rise and spread of Islam. I also studied the science and methodology of the Quran. I have the utmost respect for Islam and the Quran is probably the best book I’ve ever read and studied.
Do you see yourself becoming a Muslim?
Hope you find the eternal truth of Islam
Issa never answers the damn question just runs around and talks nonsense
Honestly, if I was a non Muslim and I had to come to the religion of Islam through character, through Farid I would accept Islam .. not through Isa
Classic majosi accent while reciting Quran.
may allah guide us both sunnis and shias to the strait path, and unite the umma.
actually brother, no one says the general shia muslims are kafir not even sunni's most strict scholars. they says the Mu'ammems are, because they tilt the meanings of the verses to serve their agenda. ofcourse you would find sunni people call you names, same as in shia, you just did use the term "wahhabi", this names game is bad. however brother, dont let emotional talk block you from listening or seeking the truth. Allah made a unique test for each of us, and we all ask ourselves at some point in our life, "why allah you did this and this? if only that thing did not happen I would have followed the true path". the true test is to try to defeat that argument in your mind and seek the truth nonetheless. like for example some sunnis may ask themselves, oh Allah, why did you make it not strait forward that shia are wrong for example or why did you make us fight or whatever. however, from islam name, you need to surrender to it, and be always thankfull to Allah. say to yourself that you would devote your heart to Allah even if the circumstances are not to your likeling.
in my opinion, the names game is one of the biggest disasters that hit the Ummah.shia, wahhabis, etc. instead we should say those muslims that do that and this should seek repentance since there is no evidence for the legitimateness of that action. just like what the prophet used to do, whenever he hear about certain people doing wrong deeds he used to come to the public and say "what is the matter with some people doing this and that?" without naming them.
keep in mind that Allah will sure reward you for overcoming emotions and following the strait path.
again, may allah guide us both to the strait path.
"may allah guide both to the >" that is why I used the strait path before unite. but brother, you could have said that in a better way. even the prophet when he was dealing with sending messeges to the non muslim emperors at that time he did not call names, instead he called them by their titles, "From Muhammad, son of Abdullah to Heraclius the Leader of the Romans:".
you could have said it in a way that would open their hearts to listen at least.
Saeed Hussein
Well sunni with the name umar and Abu bakr ) are being slaughter in Iraq yet you flailed to mention that. Regarding uniting we will never unite with those who curse our mothers and who curse the sahaba (RA)
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Aa1izer A Khalid bin AL walid was one of the enemies of Islam then he became one of the greatest sahabah. Yeah will unite with anyone who repent.
Omar Rawashdeh
Yeah read my comments "we won't unit with those who curse..." so by default if they stop cursing and change their ways then there is hope! otherwise I don't think so!!
Farid is showing such patience in the face of conceded pride, Masha`Allah. I have been watching Farids channel with much enthusiasm. I pray Allah continue to guide this dear brother in his Dawatullah
Ameen
Ameen
4:29 "He's trying to poke me with his Jinn-stick" lol
Issa the fake goes in cyclical argumentation - everytime his arguments and hadith evidences are destroyed, he goes back to the SAME argument and hadiths 2 minutes later. May Allah guide this rafidha who has been deprived of intellect by the devious shia who have taught him.
Exactly
This Isa the great doesn't even have the etiquettes of debating
Brandon Lee wtf ... speechless .... hes was the most polite u fool with all the sharks surrounding him ... if u dont agree with him say so dont chat shit ... get rid of the hate mate ...
Wow
Jay Sosa hes a diked
Adz D pretty vulgar don't you think?
Komen Cents whats true is true
Isa didn't win. Ali still pledged his alligence (have bayat) to Abu Bakr As Siddiq..
Muhammad (sa) according to Dr. Yasir Qadi gave Abu Bakr succession in certain terms I forget the exact wording. But if you watch his videos on "Lives of the Sahaba Abu Bakr As Siddiq" by Dr Yasir Qadi you will find the information I'm talking about
Ernest L. Peña I think yasir qadhi mentioned that that the prophet told abu bakr(SAW) to lead the prayers when he was severely ill. When Omar(RA) lead the prayer muhammad(SAW) wasn’t happy and wanted abu bakr(RA) to lead the prayer. Of all the sahabah he wanted abu bakr(RA) to lead it which some would infer as muhammad (SAW)wanted him to being the first to succeed
Ernest L. Peña can anyone just answer my question why would a man of god perfect for all time want to marry a child of six ? Have nine wives and sex slaves if oust is evil by most religions?
The Stealth i see you everywhere even on Somali videos
Mark Hall first of all he had 0 sex slaves and as for aisha she was not six but nine and its scientifically proven that a 9 year old 1400 years old would be an older age now
When Ali r.a agreed on Abu Bakar Khalifat why not shia too agree? Don't they follow Ali r.a.
The reason is whatever the bottom line he acknowledged the khilafa
@Reza _ If this is true that He took 6 months then you can take 6 months as well and then accept it? Dont you follow Ali ra?
or if you mean he could not made the decsion before 6 months then you are accusing Ali ra as being a poor leader who lacked in decison makeing Quality (which I dont belive at all).
or if you mean he was forced or situation made him to accept Abu Bakr as a leader. then you are accusing him a weak leader which would mean he was volunerable to be manupulated by external factors such as people, situation etc. (but I belive Ali ra was a strong leader).
@Rez Ali Quran
Farid is very smart MashaAllah. May Allah enhance his intellect.
Ameen
Why is he holding an agarbati?
and burning up his wire LOL
Abdul Waheed Khatri
Maybe he thinks it can help him. Or maybe it's a Shia ritual who knows
Shia juj
Abdul Waheed Khatri to wake up his Imame Zamana...Mere nange Imam aaenge😂😂😂
Abdul Waheed Khatri
Its called an "incense stick" in English
The arrogance of the shia is peak.. a udhu billahi,
Isa didnt respond any of farid's question. He was always trying to take topic away. On the other hand, farid respond on every question isa asked was logical and conciese.
May Allah bless you brother Farid InsyaAllah Amiin..
Fiza Oshea why did Mohamed marry a child of six ? If lust is evil why have nine wives and sex slaves ?
Ameen
@@markhall4778 ha hahahahahahah what rubbish
Eesa, the niqabi Shia girl, follows the tactic of Shaytanyari! In the introduction, as soon as things come to a point of agreement for the topic, thereby bringing the fall of his own religion near, he resorts to making inflammatory comments (to instigate). By the way, I have never seen another "ism" like Shiaism which is refuted by the same proofs they provide (to prove their own legitimacy).
The main thrust of Isa's argument seems to be to misinterpret everything then say "you see it's clear cut"
Lol there probably must be a 10 minute compilation of him somewhere just saying 'clear-cut'.
I don't think this "Isa" guy is Shia let alone Muslim. I also think this debate needed a moderator and a topic since when you debate a fool they bring you down to their level with foolishness. He didn't have a debate topic just insults.
uncle farid may you live long to serve the ummahh. Allah richly bless u
This guy is a Christian, my two cents. Not even Shia.
Why. I think recognize his voice from an old video here on the park.
Right back into the Shiite shit
Azhadar110. Yes bayat team who can't speak Arabic and sound like 2nd class cockney yobs
Azhadar110. I do watch it dumb rafidhi. The main bayat team consists of Pakistanis and 1 Australian- sayed Ali, raza, zayn, haroon and ryan and I think a few others- none speak fluent arabic or understand it properly. This shadi came later and even the his arguments are very poor and he misconstrues hadith. He was destroyed and shamed on sunni defense channel so I don't think you know what you're talking about.
Saeed Hussein. The pagan centres of qom and najaf where they can't speak Arabic as claimed by allahyari himself- allahyari can't prove imamah in 2 hours and so he ran away from farid. He claimed that he wants more than one debate on the same topic because he can't prove his false belief of imamah in 1 debate and so he relies on dubious hadith, lies and non sequiturs😂. The Shiite cult is funny indeed
HajiJesus wow this thread turned to garbage. But anyway I almost made the same mistake I was a former Christian and shiaism seemed comfortable because similarities between Christianity and Shia traditions... But I realized if I wanna become a Muslim I must do it right and follow the Sunnah and don't go with what feels comfortable because it fits what I'm used to, but go with the truth and what makes sense. Cause Christianity never made sense to me and Sunni made more sense than Shia-ism
Ma shaa Allah Bro Adana is hilarious 34:10 "that brotherhood is not highlighted. He doesn't know about it because it's not highlighted" 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Firstly:
So what if Ali was not consulted, when was he ever the deciding factor in legitimising a caliph? That being said, he gave bayah 6 months later and asked Allah for *FORGIVENESS* , so that *DOES* mean Abu Bakr was a legitimate caliph, because Ali admitted he was wrong... Wait, unless you're saying Ali was lying to the people and to *Allah* ?
Brother Farid did an amazing job. Calm and composed
Brother Isa cannot answer the basic question of why Hazrat Ali r.a accepted Abu Bakr r.a khilafah if it was illegitimate.
Adnan bhai is legend
This is not a debate, this is an hr of fun LOL.
Which black intellectual? The one who got wiped the floor with?
Did anyone notice the blatant lie of the Shia debater when he insisted there were Shias present and then couldn't point to one? These people are so comfortable with lieing it is like breathing to them. I wonder how they get anything done, since they must find it hard to believe each other. 😀
Kalam the Sssssssnake in the background
Terri Bob yeah i see him why is he here he isn't even muslim
@@zak.886 da fuq u on about? If this discussion is only for Muslims surely you can hold the talk in a mosque. This is speakers corner, welcome to all.
That Jew and that snake both are sympathizing with the shia. I mean come on, calipahate is not requirment of Iman. If two muslim factions are in deasagreement for land,rulership or whatever worldly, it does not make them dibeliever. We acknowledge both Abu Bakr,Ali,Umar,Uthman RA as righteous sahabas. They may have their disagreement but we dont make one party infaliable and worship them like God.
Totally agree
Totally agreed too
You know that Abdullah Ibn Saba founded this sect so history repeats !!!
Adnan Rashid to Isa: even after 1 hour you will be discussing the first page! haha
0:09 is the funniest introduction I have ever seen 😂
Everyone should watch the series of "the Lives of the Sahaba" by Dr Yasir Qadi the first 9 or 10 episodes are about Abu Bakr As Siddiq and gives very very great knowledgeable information and history for all sects to learn Al haqq
Farid won by the way
Isa needs to lesrn that while Bukhari's report may be binding on Sunnis, the Shia spin on this hadith is definitely not binding on them.
All I hear most from Esa is "Clear Cut, Clear Cut",yet it is all Cut and not Clear to me.
The way we conduct our selves is more important then the debate itself, We should follow the example or our prophet peace be upon him.
If you want to bypass all the fussing over time and Isa faffing with his pages the actual debate starts around 18:50
Good discussion,very informative May Allah swt bless you bro farid
Ameen
Khalifa and honor is extended by virtue of knowledge not family relations and Abu Bakr was the most knowledgeable among them all!!
I looked at the mask 😷 and thought it was recent . Then realised it s a 2 year vid .
33:20...he fell in his own grave,he dug..😉😃
Shi'as whole religion is so emotional. And this guy is a perfect example
wow these brothers from SD are amazing so sharp so clear and the clarity subhanAllah Allah reward u Brown Bahrain Farid Allah raise your ranks
Ameen
Lol this funny. Isa got owned
Adnan and farid together..... Dream come. True
All these people who are trolling him don't represent Sunnis we should know our brother is caught in some fitna we should be humble enough while unveiling the truth to him
Akhi he was insulting us the entire time. Why should we stay quite to his derogatory and rude remarks.
Be quiet man , what did he say about Islam?
Farid is so calm I wish I had his calmness
Isa didn't say Ali swore an oath to Abu Bakr because his feelings were hurt. Assertions like that take away the chances of having a genuine conversation. We must see the persons point, not just do anything we can to discredit them. May Allah(swt) unite us on truth.
That's what the hadith that he brought said, he had a chance to give his own explanation on why Ali accepted Abu Bakr as the legitimate Islamic leader but he did not.
1. Even for the sake of argument you agree with the shia that Ali (R.A) took 6 months to give allegiance to Abu Bakr (R.A), he did not even once did object the caliphate of Abu Bakar Siddique during those 6 months nor did call others to do soo.
2. As Farid rightly responded it is not a necessity for every person present in ummah to give allegiance to make that caliphate legitimate.
3. And as for the statement by Umar (R.A) on the giving allegiance after after fulfilling all the criteria, this could be taken in two ways.
a. It could be a naseeha given by Umar for the future generations.
b. And after the death of prophet Muhammad (S.A.W) the Ummah was is distress, so difficult situation call for difficult solutions.
Did any other sahaba objected to that.
No. But did the sahaba had difference in opinion yes.
18:50 is when the “debate” started for anyone who doesn’t want to wait that long.
I'm already on the 16th minute lol😭😭😭
41:25 farid is like bro like i got this it’s a piece of cake😭😭😭
Very suprised this debate didn't breakout into a brawl
Essa is all over the place, Ma shaa Allah Sunni brother is so calm.
Lol Essa wants the whole park to be quiet while he's talking 😂
The Hadith of Umar (RA) is being taken out of context. What he stated was that the entire situation was chaotic at that time, right after Ansar decided to gather at Saqeefa.
Which Hadith? Hadith Number?
The guy with his face covered i could swear i seen him on crimewatch
Ali (RA) was upset he wasn't consulted. This doesn't necessarily mean he was against the appointment of Abu Bakr (RA), hence why he gave him bayah after 6 months. If he was illegitimate, Ali (RA) would never have given him bayah, ever. Plus, the claim about the person being closest to Rasool should have been appointed, which according to this is the criteria set by Abu Bakr, did this mean closest in bloodline or closest in companionship? How did this guy reach the conclusion that Abu Bakr referred to the bloodline?
FARID WON.
So after a hour of debating (if you want to call it that) "the black shia" eventually won the debating by proving abu bakr to be the rightful khalifa ?????
Allah/God, the Creator of everything, has always sent Prophets with one message: Worshipp the One God ! (Qur'an, surah Anbiya, ayat 25)
The Arabs, the world at all, was in deep chaos in the 7th century, and then God sent his final messenger Muhammad s.a.w.s., who in 23 years turned a whole people to pure monotheists, and spread it from the East to the West, a religion, which is growing faster and faster till this day.
But the shia claim, that Muhammad s.a.v.s. was sent for one purpose: to say how his cousin is a allmighty supernatural demigod, whom you should invoke and waste money on tombs
Please shias, finally convert to Islam
The Sunni guy is saying ijama, consent of the scholars ( or the main tribes in this instance), provides a justification for Abu Bakr's Caliphate. No islam involved, no textual authority, except the critical and doubtful remarks of Umar. the second Caliph (murdered a few years later) for what is a fundamental Islamic institution. Caliphate is an ultimate driving force in Islamic history, a key to the birth of so many sects, factions, disagreements; and wars: yet no Islamic authority except the weakish, third source of sunni Islam, the improvised notion of ijama? It is astonishing. It is like saying a majority ruled government, no matter its tyranny, is legitimate as long as the people of influence and the uneducated mob believe the ruler is acceptable. No wonder Islamic political thought is outdated, and with this type of political thinking the future for Islamic government looks bleak. and mass migration from Sunni countries shall continue. In passing, the Bahrani guy should have been asked why the sunni minority rule a shia majority in his country, and what islamic mechanism the ruling family, Al Khalifa, use to justify it.
Is Islamic government really exist now?
Godwin take that mask off calling yourself Isa 🤣🤣 They both have some sort of commonality
I've seen marriages decided on quicker than the timing 💀
Mashallah farid / may allah increase your knowledge and prove the rawafilth wrong!
Isa makes some good points regarding this. Ali himself clearly states that he did not recognise Abu Bakir as a Khalif and gave the reasons behind his position. The sunni brother Farid from Bahrain says that Ali's bay3a is binding and that he gave it anyway, and that he didn't have to officially do so.
In this scenario, I tend to side with Ali's opinion and not the sunni brother. Sunni brother Farid is in no pisition to teach Imam Ali what he should and should not do and what is binding and not binding.
He also stated that Ali didn't have to be there in the Saqifah when they chose Abu Bakir. Imam Ali obviously thought otherwise... Again, I would like to side with Imam Ali's opinion and not the sunni brother.
Another point which Isa the shia forgot to mention which is extremly important is the position and stance Fatima took towards Abu Bakir. She refused to talk to Abu Bakir, and died angry with him. She also ordered that Abu Bakir DOES NOT pray on her and that Imam Ali does so. She also ordered to be buried at night!
This action from Fatima proves that she did not recognise Abu Bakir as a Khalifa, as a matter of fact she recognised Imam Ali to be the one since he prayed on her. If we add to this the fact that Imam Ali himself stated that this Khilafah was for him and that Abu Bakir took it from him.. it's obvious what the position of Ahlul Bait and a few of the companions was.
As for the reasons to why Imam Ali gave bay3ah, the hadith is very clear that under normal circumstances, Ali wouldn't have done so, and that islam was under extreme pressure of rupture should he continue with his position. Just look at what happened when Ali actually became the Khalif ... 3aysha mother of believers and Mu3awyeh kicked off and fought him. If he was to continue refusing to give Bay3ah to abu bakir, the situation would've been much worse with many tribes turning away from Islam, and the infant muslim nation being surrounded by enemies left right and centre.
If imam Ali chose to give Bay3ah for the sake of Islam, then why do sunnis and Shias continue to argue and cause divisions?
Let the shia accept that Abu Bakir was a Khalifah.. this does not harm imam Ali if shias truly believe that he was the best companion. Imam Hasan gave bay3ah to mu3awyeh.. which is even worse than Abu Bakir from Shia point of view... This does not make Mu3awyeh better than Imam Hassan, not even the most extreme sunni would say that!
These things happened more than 1400 years ago... is it not time to move on my dear brothers and sisters?
More than happy to discuss my comment above .. not to prove who's right or wrong BUT to debate the historical aspect of the events that took place.
"So, you're using our knife to stab yourself.." - Adnan (33:32) 🤣😆😅
Tell this intellectual Isa that he is not that intellectual as he thinks ... he is ridiculous
The real conversation begins at 15:47 .. thank me later😂
wish i saw this sooner!
thanks you saved me 3 minutes 😂
The answer to the Shi'i claim was actually this simple: The 'process' of electing the Khalifah inside the Saqifa was completely Islamic. What they did was called 'Shura', and it's ordered in the Quran upon muslims when there's difference of opinion among them.
When muslims are in 'mushawarah' (the process of 'Shura') they brought up their opinions and the daleel of it. The Ansar had no daleel to appoint a leader from them, so... they were wrong in that respect. Moreover because Rasulullah sallallahu 'alayhi wa sallam said that the Khalifah must be from Quraysh.
So, Abu Bakr as-Siddiq radiyallahu 'anhu was an Islamic Khalifah according to Kitabullah and Sunnah.
Rocke Linez well even shia in the end need shura in iran to appoint their longest leader, khamenei. And that election was done while khomeini hasnt even buried. I guess those ayatola did a saqifa 😁
Gila Bola Don't know about Khamenei, but even according to Shia sources, if Muhajireen and Ansar agreed upon something then it is an Ijma of muslims and Allah will be pleased with it.
It's in Nahjul Balaghah, in one of Alis letter to Muawiyah.
This was just awesome. I wish Shia bladerunner was not so much of a coward and had the guts to debate farid.
So that farid could spill his guts out as well 😂😂😂
Mr Umbobo
I am sure he's watching it on line. They watch all TSD videos and make reaction videos lol.
Saeed Hussein 😂 seriously do you believe that Ali (RA) was a coward you muppet ? Ali was one of the most brave !! He would never have given Bayah wether it be 6 months or 2 years later !! If Abu Bakr (RA) was illegitimate he would have never given bayah !!!! Fools l, oh so Ali gave bayah to befriend the so called ‘apostates’ ??? And he denied that Ali was not infallible!!!!
Saeed Hussein
Lol are you talking about the same gutting power that your "first infallible imaam" had?? when he, according to you stood there watching whilst a fallible man beat his wife, causing her death and the death of her unborn foetus? Or perhaps he allowed all this to occur because he wanted to "please the people and keep the peace"
I think It would be a great idea to give some of this "gutting power" to your "12th infallible imaam" who is hiding out in a cave/ well somewhere, perhaps that would give him the courage to finally come out after 1200 years.
Rather it appears he isn't convinced by the "gutting power" you claim you have, just as no one else is!!! loooooool
Saeed Hussein
I love ahlulbayt which includes the wife's of or messenger peace be upon him. It's not me who insults the honour of our messenger peace be upon him by cursing his wife's, it's not me who insults the honour of Ali (RA) by making up stories about how he didn't defend his honour and allowed another man to kill his wife, while he stood there and watched. Thats you who does that and that's what your religion teaches you!!! Yet you claim to be lovers of ahlulbayt !
It's your region which tells you to call on others aside from Allah not mine!! Which acutely officlsu makes you Ma kafir because Allah doesn't forgive Shirk if you die upon it.
We don't pick and chose those in ahlulbayt who we love and those who We curse unlike your religion of transgression, WE LOVE THEM ALL and don't spread falsehood about them unlike you.
So I think according to your logic your the kafir who hates ahlulbayt
Saeed Hussein
Is this what your religion of shirk teaches you ??
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When I saw the topic I was shocked as I never thought any one needs to discuss the legitimacy of Abu Bakar ra (one who Prophet Muhammad pbuh) clearly said loves most .
SubhanAllah. What a waste of time. The shias points crumbled in the first 20 minutes yet he kept rambling
39:13 is very important to listen this guy belongs to which faith.
Hahaha this isa guy is a pure clown. Lol. A Pure jester. I watched this just to laugh. Fareed you should have debated someone with at least a bit of knowledge and decency. Lol
R. Real
They fear debating Farid. He sent debate challenges to many of them, most active ones.
Nothing. No taker. Closes is the one in San Diego who wanted 6 hours of one topic debate. Besides, watch Shimrani pre-debate and you understand the mind of Allayari.
Umar said saqifa can't be repeated reasons.
because no one will be allowed to gang up for the caliphate like ansars did.
Allah saved the bayah from the devils.
In saqifa the closeness to descendants means closeness to ismail as the quraish have. The children of Ibrahim as.
isa's character is so bad even if he was right people still wouldnt listen to him
Farid great job without prep we need more people like you
Did anyone notice Kalam casually slipping away? 😂😂😂😂😂😂