"Ladies and gentlemen. in the Red Corner we have Kortana with a deadly Simba, and in the Blue Corner we have The Brothers Grim. May the best man win!" Awesome.
Crazy. After the optical camouflage video and how much you struggled to defend the bomber, I thought a lot about early jet vs late piston engagements. I almost commented asking yall to try it. This is high level engagement with the audience. You guys are literally reading minds.
The bombers were nerfed. No way the warbirds would win. One pass, then the bombers would be gone and the birds would not be able to catch up. Plus, the bombers' tail guns.
Alternative title: Cap's attempted revenge against Kortana for being bullied in the optical camo video A very enjoyable video to watch. I do love watching GR and Kortana videos. Hope you're feeling better Cap. Happy Christmas, Merry New Year and jolly holidays.
Love ya Kortana! 🥰 You do come across as one of the more Proficient & Professional member of the motley crew that make up the Grim Reaper gang 🤣 .. 😉.. 👍 *PS* I'd love to hear more about *The Kortana Gang*
It's a pseudo-secret crew called "FLIGHT CLUB". Many of the members are pilots IRL. The focus is DCS warbirds, but also lots of other stuff in DCS, and other sims too. It's been so much fun to be able to fly with GR lately!
That last jet - it's kinda like when you have all the chess pieces against the King and he is outrunning you all over the place and you can't checkmate him.
3 points: Avgas has a duel rating for octane 115-145. 115 when set lean and 145 when full rich mixture. B-52 damage model needs to be checked. Where is the tail gun on the B-52, A to G model quad 50, H model Vulcan.
The B-52 series had a tail-gun station until the post-Cold War B-52H. The B-52 is the largest aircraft credited with air-to-air kills (Vietnam War ... definitely Cold War Era). Had Grim Reapers employed a B-52G (Cold Warrior model) rather than the B-52H (post-Cold War model) it is _highly_ likely GR would have suffered numerous losses in their warbirds versus the unescorted bomber fleet. Also, it appears that DCS has not modeled the B-52 very well given how quickly they were disintegrated by the WW2 fighters. Finally, with a service ceiling of 50K feet, a maximum speed of 550Kn and a cruising speed of 450Kn, the WW2 Warbirds would have never even sniffed the BUFF. Your "proof of concept" could only work in a computer game.
I have reached a conclusion about this new type of contest. I LIKE it!🤟🖖🤜💥🤛 I wanna see more like this. I think the addition of Kortana bringing some of her own pilots is awesome. It seems to add depth to the combat, because, well, Kortana lol. 🤟🖤🖤
The only propeller-driven plane to go faster than 500 knots is (allegedly) the XF-84H "Thunderscreech," which (supposedly) went 541.37 kt. This was never officially recognized, as the maximum official speed in testing was 451.87 kt
If the Stratofortresses were actually in the stratosphere... The irony of German war birds, versus F86 and Mig 15. Both are continuations of Kurt Tank's (German) T183.
*after vigourous online review and research* Grumman FF "Fifi" were the first retractable landing gear aircraft introduced in early 1931, however they were biplanes. Polikarpov I-16 were the first lower monoplane retractable landing gear aircraft also introduced in late 1933. Great pull Kortana.
Too bad DCS doesn't have a good P-47N, the hi-altitude capacities are better than any Corsair, Mustang, probably even a Ta-152. -Those custom scenarios are soooo interesting, keep it up!
There is always one thing every Grim Reapers DCS video has in common. They either have crazy nonsense like two AC-130s "dogfighting," or one pilot crashes early on, not necessarily on camera.
"Everyone is an armchair critic" - yea - and if I may? When you guys were 3 on 1 to that F-86 in a continuous circle .... have one warbird do a high yo-yo coming off the top, or a low and engage him on the climb. His wing loading won't let him sustain a g-load as much as the better turn rate of the warbirds at lower speeds.
If there was a real war you guys would kick ass. It's the same with many COD veterans, true killers, I wouldn't want to be up against them in the field.
It's a pseudo-secret, invite only membership called "FLIGHT CLUB". Though some of the members are also part of Kortana's Flying Circus. Many of the members are pilots IRL. The focus is DCS warbirds, but also lots of other stuff in DCS, and other sims too. It's been so much fun to be able to fly with GR lately!
Having watched the video, what speed did you have programmed for the B-52's? It appears they might have been modeled on the slow side. In their low-level penetrator role, they would fly at 450 to 475 knots, which would make it exceedingly difficult for WW2 era piston fighters to intercept, let alone make maintain a stern curve of pursuit. Factor in the bombers' defensive armament, that part of the sky would be a very unhealthy place to be for any length of time.
A 1950s era B-52 didn't have a low-level penetrator role; the whole point of the design was that they could fly above anything that might try to hurt them. Of course, that would make it a _little_ difficult for a WWII prop plane to intercept, so...
@@boobah5643 from Wikipedia: the “B-52 was changed to serve as a low-level penetration bomber during a foreseen attack upon the Soviet Union, as terrain masking provided an effective method of avoiding radar and thus the threat of the SAMs”, see the link under Cold War en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_B-52_Stratofortress
as I havent found another means of sending a message, and I may be severely hung over, I thought I'd ask here... is the F111 in DCS? What about the F4U Corsair? thanks!
just on general principles, the answer should be NO. the point is, the jets should be faster, but maybe less maneuverable. therefore, you have to use appropriate tactics (zoom and boom), and it is always the faster plane that can define the engagement defending bombers, you will not be able to do close escort. advance sweeps by the fighters will be needed it also seems wrong that the B-52s just blow up as soon as an enemy fighter sneezes near them. Don't they have guns and armour?
Glad you got some abx for the chest Cap - Did they tell you not to drink? I would expect you to have been given Amoxicillin or ampicillin tds for a week, or maybe a cefalosporin. The only Antibiotic you really cannot drink whilst taking is metronidazole (and you REALLY shouldnt...) which I would find extremely unlikely to be used for a chest infection.,
Surprised at the comment early on about the Mossie being too slow? Would have been nice to see the Mossie in there against the aircraft designed as it's replacement, the Canberra. Not sure if the latter is available in DCS though?
Bwahahaha! That's funny, I'm gonna raz them over that... One of their call signs is "Olds" the other is "Ketchup", they were flying in a pair. Olds was letting Ketchup know he was in position in combat spread. Still funny.
Someone broke in my house stole my gaming PC. Took my thrustmaster joystick paddles everything. What really hurt my heart they stole my warm medals. It had to be a druggie. They saw the silver and gold and the gaming PC and stole it. I'll never be able to get another one. I'll never be able to replace my Medals either. Put my life on the line for those Awards. Everything gone in a day.
@@grimreapers I was really looking forward to flying with and against your group. CAP is the reason I started playing DCS. Hopefully one day I can find a way to get another PC and stuff. I live on military disability so its not easy.
War birds wonderful planes... gotta constantly watch the gauges so they don't blow the engines, takes skilz... Moments later: effing war birds cant do anything.. I HATE YOU!!!🤣
So... why are the B-52s flying so low? On the one hand, it's so the engagement can happen; half the point of the B-52 was that it flew higher than anything that could intercept it (when designed, anyway, and that certainly would include everything sent up to shoot them down in the video) but when you're talking about testing early jets vs. late WWII props nobody sane would willingly fly the bombers inside the prop planes' engagement envelope. The B-52s flying in front of the obsolete fighters' guns implies that they were oversized placeholders for the craft y'all ought to have used. I don't really blame you for not building a bomber for this little rumble, but not noting that your B-52s aren't being flown as B-52s is kinda screwy. Considering some of _DCS's_ other limitations, I wouldn't exactly be surprised if it doesn't support airplane turrets, which any bomber of the era would have. Including the B-52s.
This crew probably isn't the best bunch of pilots to simulate this encounter considering they couldn't beat a WW2 with an A10..... Which another DCS pilot proved could be done handily without much effort. Poor Kortana... Pearls before swine here. Maybe the B52 pilots need to find their throttles to avoid these yahoo's.
"Ladies and gentlemen. in the Red Corner we have Kortana with a deadly Simba, and in the Blue Corner we have The Brothers Grim. May the best man win!" Awesome.
Kortana is the awesome.
@@macfiona4545 MVP
The "Kortana is being scary again oh no" missions are always great fun to watch.
Crazy. After the optical camouflage video and how much you struggled to defend the bomber, I thought a lot about early jet vs late piston engagements. I almost commented asking yall to try it.
This is high level engagement with the audience. You guys are literally reading minds.
Kortana’s Tactical Prowess makes for a great Christmas Eve gift
Just me, if I heard that Kortana was defending a base, I would just pass on the attack mission.
lols
Kortana's missions are awesome
B52 has a ceiling height of 50k feet. about 10k higher than the ceiling height of most warbirds. there you go mission complete
Also has radar-directed quad-fifty tail guns. Where are those?
@@danl.909 And, a top speed of 650 miles per hour. How are you keeping up with them after the first pass?
The bombers were nerfed. No way the warbirds would win. One pass, then the bombers would be gone and the birds would not be able to catch up. Plus, the bombers' tail guns.
Merry Christmas everyone 🎅❤️
Happy candy cane
Merry Christmas bro!!
Merry Christmas!
You too Jesus x
Did the B52s have tail guns?
Kortana! Nice to see you back!
Alternative title: Cap's attempted revenge against Kortana for being bullied in the optical camo video
A very enjoyable video to watch. I do love watching GR and Kortana videos.
Hope you're feeling better Cap. Happy Christmas, Merry New Year and jolly holidays.
Yes thanks and you too!
Love ya Kortana! 🥰
You do come across as one of the more Proficient & Professional member of the motley crew that make up the Grim Reaper gang 🤣 .. 😉.. 👍
*PS* I'd love to hear more about *The Kortana Gang*
Like a small version of GR but mainly fly warbirds. Great pilots!
It's a pseudo-secret crew called "FLIGHT CLUB". Many of the members are pilots IRL. The focus is DCS warbirds, but also lots of other stuff in DCS, and other sims too. It's been so much fun to be able to fly with GR lately!
Good job Grim Reapers, still catching up on older videos. THERE WAS MY KORTANA ALSO!
That last jet - it's kinda like when you have all the chess pieces against the King and he is outrunning you all over the place and you can't checkmate him.
This sounds like it is effectively the early days of the Korean War where P-51s took on Mig-15s
Happy Festivus to all!!
The i 153 was a biplane with retractable gear, if i recall correctly. Polikarpov was out there with his fighter designs.
thx
3 points: Avgas has a duel rating for octane 115-145. 115 when set lean and 145 when full rich mixture. B-52 damage model needs to be checked. Where is the tail gun on the B-52, A to G model quad 50, H model Vulcan.
Agree, especially with the tail guns. Guns were replaced with ECM against missiles. Guns were for fighter defense, as seen here.
That b52 is kind of the modern one, guns removed.
The US built Merlins are Packard V-1650s in the Mustangs. I hope at some point they get the T-7s in DCS.
RAF P51s look gorgeous!
HORSEPOWER!!!!
Great video; have a brilliant Christmas everyone
The B-52 series had a tail-gun station until the post-Cold War B-52H. The B-52 is the largest aircraft credited with air-to-air kills (Vietnam War ... definitely Cold War Era). Had Grim Reapers employed a B-52G (Cold Warrior model) rather than the B-52H (post-Cold War model) it is _highly_ likely GR would have suffered numerous losses in their warbirds versus the unescorted bomber fleet. Also, it appears that DCS has not modeled the B-52 very well given how quickly they were disintegrated by the WW2 fighters. Finally, with a service ceiling of 50K feet, a maximum speed of 550Kn and a cruising speed of 450Kn, the WW2 Warbirds would have never even sniffed the BUFF. Your "proof of concept" could only work in a computer game.
It is a shame that DCS doesn't have the last gen of piston fighters. The Spit Mk24 and Seafire Mk47 and the Sea Fury FB.11 for example.
As far as propeller driven fighters go, surely the Tempest and Fury would have been top of the line for WW2 tech?
I have reached a conclusion about this new type of contest.
I LIKE it!🤟🖖🤜💥🤛
I wanna see more like this. I think the addition of Kortana bringing some of her own pilots is awesome. It seems to add depth to the combat, because, well, Kortana lol. 🤟🖤🖤
Great mix up Kortana, good fun
Entertaining as always! 🙂
Merry Christmas to GR & Kortana gang 🎅
You too! x
This kind of feels like a "I'm not locked in here with you, you're locked in here with me type problem..."
The only propeller-driven plane to go faster than 500 knots is (allegedly) the XF-84H "Thunderscreech," which (supposedly) went 541.37 kt. This was never officially recognized, as the maximum official speed in testing was 451.87 kt
If the Stratofortresses were actually in the stratosphere...
The irony of German war birds, versus F86 and Mig 15. Both are continuations of Kurt Tank's (German) T183.
@23:14
"Oh, it's such a cute witto plane. Some day you'll grow up and be a real plane!" *ROFLMAO!*
*after vigourous online review and research*
Grumman FF "Fifi" were the first retractable landing gear aircraft introduced in early 1931, however they were biplanes.
Polikarpov I-16 were the first lower monoplane retractable landing gear aircraft also introduced in late 1933.
Great pull Kortana.
God you have no idea how bad I wanted to see this. And now I can I speculate further with better understanding lol ... thank you.
Big thing about warbirds: there are no countermeasures for bullets and cannon shells.
32:12 the MiG-15 had a 37mm cannon too.
Too bad DCS doesn't have a good P-47N, the hi-altitude capacities are better than any Corsair, Mustang, probably even a Ta-152. -Those custom scenarios are soooo interesting, keep it up!
Tempests would also be fun.
Do you say "Winchester" when you're out of ammo in a Russian airplane, or do you say "Kalashnikov?"
Suddenly finding myself very interested in the MB-339 now
It's fun.
There is always one thing every Grim Reapers DCS video has in common. They either have crazy nonsense like two AC-130s "dogfighting," or one pilot crashes early on, not necessarily on camera.
"Everyone is an armchair critic" - yea - and if I may? When you guys were 3 on 1 to that F-86 in a continuous circle .... have one warbird do a high yo-yo coming off the top, or a low and engage him on the climb.
His wing loading won't let him sustain a g-load as much as the better turn rate of the warbirds at lower speeds.
Thanks GR, looking forward to future streams/vids
And happy holidays to all, lol
Thanks Stevie!
Kortana is the Hub Zemke of DCS. Nuthin' but TROUBLE!
Have a Merry Christmas
Anti-Biotics seem to be working Cap! You sounded great! Very interesting scenario! GR & Kortana Group is a great show!
If there was a real war you guys would kick ass. It's the same with many COD veterans, true killers, I wouldn't want to be up against them in the field.
Is this Kortana's flying circus?
Merry Christmas to GR and Kortanas gang!
It's a pseudo-secret, invite only membership called "FLIGHT CLUB". Though some of the members are also part of Kortana's Flying Circus. Many of the members are pilots IRL. The focus is DCS warbirds, but also lots of other stuff in DCS, and other sims too. It's been so much fun to be able to fly with GR lately!
Fun to watch. Thanks Cap.
Merry Christmas 🎅
That was enjoyable
might be interesting to use Korean-war aircraft to defend against 60's jets, then switch.
Seasonal greetings GR and friends! 🍻🎅
Merry Christmas Grim Reapers!
Merry Christmas! It’s a GREAT DAY!
Happy Christmas, Reapers!
You too! x
Have a happy Christmas. To you and your team. Happy Christmas to all👍🎅👼🌲😇👲🎄🎂
Random thought. Strb90 vs Iranian gunboats!
It would have been interesting to have Corsairs since they were deployed against the Mig 15’s in Korea.
Same for the Seafury.
@Paul Bestwick I am not familiar with the Sea Fury. I will have to look it up and learn about it.
Merry Christmas from Texas
You too! x
How are the props keeping up with the bombers?
Grim Reapers best reapers? I mean probably lol 😂
Was something wrong with the AI? That F86 should have just run away if nothing else. Instead it tried to turn fight piston engine fighters.
And Happy christmas Y'all, and I wish you all may have a fun filled and fulfilling new year, both on the gaming and real life scenarios.
Having watched the video, what speed did you have programmed for the B-52's? It appears they might have been modeled on the slow side. In their low-level penetrator role, they would fly at 450 to 475 knots, which would make it exceedingly difficult for WW2 era piston fighters to intercept, let alone make maintain a stern curve of pursuit. Factor in the bombers' defensive armament, that part of the sky would be a very unhealthy place to be for any length of time.
A 1950s era B-52 didn't have a low-level penetrator role; the whole point of the design was that they could fly above anything that might try to hurt them.
Of course, that would make it a _little_ difficult for a WWII prop plane to intercept, so...
@@boobah5643 from Wikipedia: the “B-52 was changed to serve as a low-level penetration bomber during a foreseen attack upon the Soviet Union, as terrain masking provided an effective method of avoiding radar and thus the threat of the SAMs”, see the link under Cold War
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boeing_B-52_Stratofortress
I want to see WW2 jets vs early cold war
Yes, F86 vs. Me 262
gloster vs yak-23
Sadly no 1940's jets in game yet.
as I havent found another means of sending a message, and I may be severely hung over, I thought I'd ask here... is the F111 in DCS? What about the F4U Corsair? thanks!
Merry Christmas y'all!!!!
You too! x
Did i hear him say VR? Can you play this game using a VR headset?
Can you do one video of US forces available total vs adversaries? Would be kinda cool to witness comical overkill.
And Someone has to lose a wing !
Were the B-52s disabled from using their radar guided tailguns?
The trench run but instead of stay on target😐 its cap saying no respawning🤔
just on general principles, the answer should be NO.
the point is, the jets should be faster, but maybe less maneuverable. therefore, you have to use appropriate tactics (zoom and boom), and it is always the faster plane that can define the engagement
defending bombers, you will not be able to do close escort. advance sweeps by the fighters will be needed
it also seems wrong that the B-52s just blow up as soon as an enemy fighter sneezes near them. Don't they have guns and armour?
when looking for a GR base just look for the column of smoke....
I think you should have used War Thunder instead of DCS. It would give you 'superprop' fighters...P-47M, P-51H, late model Spitfires, et cetera
Cannonball for the win in the F-86!!!!
Glad you got some abx for the chest Cap - Did they tell you not to drink? I would expect you to have been given Amoxicillin or ampicillin tds for a week, or maybe a cefalosporin. The only Antibiotic you really cannot drink whilst taking is metronidazole (and you REALLY shouldnt...) which I would find extremely unlikely to be used for a chest infection.,
Just got anti-biotics.
why not the 262 that's a war bird or couldn't you handle it
Shooting down a BUFF with grandpa's plane ain't gonna happen.
Surprised at the comment early on about the Mossie being too slow? Would have been nice to see the Mossie in there against the aircraft designed as it's replacement, the Canberra. Not sure if the latter is available in DCS though?
Canberra best bomber, only just retired by nasa.
@@haytorrock3312 canberra's still in service at R.A.F. luton.
@@mej6519 really what they doing with it?
In DCS Mossie is quite slow, strangely in IL-2 Mossie is much quicker. Unsure which game has it right?
Wasn't the mozzie one of the fastest prop planes of ww2?
@ 6:03, " . . . get your folds spread on you"? Who's the giggly-cute 12 year old who tried so desperately to be clever?
Bwahahaha! That's funny, I'm gonna raz them over that... One of their call signs is "Olds" the other is "Ketchup", they were flying in a pair. Olds was letting Ketchup know he was in position in combat spread. Still funny.
Would it be possible or have you already done a battle between the Japanese zero and the German 109 thank you
Will try.
Someone broke in my house stole my gaming PC. Took my thrustmaster joystick paddles everything. What really hurt my heart they stole my warm medals. It had to be a druggie. They saw the silver and gold and the gaming PC and stole it. I'll never be able to get another one. I'll never be able to replace my Medals either. Put my life on the line for those Awards. Everything gone in a day.
Really sorry to hear this :(
@@grimreapers thank you means a lot. Im glad all my kids Christmas was at my mom's and my firearms were in my safe.
@@grimreapers I was really looking forward to flying with and against your group. CAP is the reason I started playing DCS. Hopefully one day I can find a way to get another PC and stuff. I live on military disability so its not easy.
Well wonder why the Sabres lost! 8 or more vs 1 and until a few years ago B-52's had radar guided 20mm in the rear.
Ultra Violet on your six , your day just got far worse .
Great name!
Boom and Zoom, can Warbirds take on Warjets. B52s could probs just fly at too high an altitude for piston engines to work at?
You might be surprised by the p47s man! Very efficient at 12,000 meters
Yeah, but by that time the B52s are doing high sub sonic (450knots) speeds. Erk!
where is the b52 tail gunners?
A USMC Corsair F4U shot down a Mig 15 in Korea
Amazing.
War birds wonderful planes... gotta constantly watch the gauges so they don't blow the engines, takes skilz... Moments later: effing war birds cant do anything.. I HATE YOU!!!🤣
lols
No one brought a P-38?
Looks like Kortana is outgrowing you Cap?
Yup! Typical.
Cort bae 😍
Yet another video where NO ONE a knows how to take off and land a tail dragger aircraft. smh
So what do you have against the website "M I li tary fAc t ory" Why do you keep deleting anything I praise about that website?????
Corrina is da boss and she rock's
(~_^)
If a mustang can take out a me-262, and a Corsair a mig 15, then yes of course they can, a f8f bear cat could probably beat the sh*t out of a me-262
Whatever
Twilight Zone bullshit
Which version of the B-52 are you flying? I don't see a tail gunner. For the era in which the B-52 should be, you would have tail gunner's.
That era should have quad .50s. Later was the 20mm M61 Vulcan, then guns replaces with ECM.
TBH it's a crappy unrealisitic model. We should have used something more up to date.
The Queen is back!
When I talk about the Roman writer "Cicero" I pronounce it "Kickeroh"
So... why are the B-52s flying so low? On the one hand, it's so the engagement can happen; half the point of the B-52 was that it flew higher than anything that could intercept it (when designed, anyway, and that certainly would include everything sent up to shoot them down in the video) but when you're talking about testing early jets vs. late WWII props nobody sane would willingly fly the bombers inside the prop planes' engagement envelope.
The B-52s flying in front of the obsolete fighters' guns implies that they were oversized placeholders for the craft y'all ought to have used. I don't really blame you for not building a bomber for this little rumble, but not noting that your B-52s aren't being flown as B-52s is kinda screwy.
Considering some of _DCS's_ other limitations, I wouldn't exactly be surprised if it doesn't support airplane turrets, which any bomber of the era would have. Including the B-52s.
This crew probably isn't the best bunch of pilots to simulate this encounter considering they couldn't beat a WW2 with an A10..... Which another DCS pilot proved could be done handily without much effort.
Poor Kortana... Pearls before swine here.
Maybe the B52 pilots need to find their throttles to avoid these yahoo's.