Inside a MotoGP Seamless Gearbox Replica - How it Works

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  • When you can't get access to the real one, here's the next best thing! This has been an incredible amount of work to get to this point and it's still very much a work in progress, but I wanted to put this video out there to bring this incredible piece of technology to light.
    There is still work to be done, but for now, enjoy!

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  • @electrosau2
    @electrosau2 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +75

    I do not know what is more genius.
    Inventing this gearbox or being able to reverse engineer this from only patent drawings.
    Keep up the good work 👍

  • @rexleen3585
    @rexleen3585 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +72

    A multi-color 6 in 1 ball pen

    • @rogersliu1200
      @rogersliu1200 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      🤣that also invented by japanese if my memory is not wrong

    • @DMSparky
      @DMSparky 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      That’s what I was thinking too! Haha

  • @zeprahzzz
    @zeprahzzz 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +76

    I'm amazed some people can just spend some time studying a patent and basically become a subject matter experts and be able to give a 50 minute lecture on it.

    • @TimmaethBoy
      @TimmaethBoy  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

      Just fascinated with mechanisms in general enough to go down a rabbit hole and share my enthusiasm with others.

    • @chasebelcher7932
      @chasebelcher7932 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      What's your experience with it then? Because if you have zero. Don't comment. I came away from this knowing more than I did before.

    • @ezradixon239
      @ezradixon239 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks for you and all home engineers 😊

    • @patrickkrukvander5387
      @patrickkrukvander5387 หลายเดือนก่อน

      So Nice and well explaned!

  • @fibonaccisrazor
    @fibonaccisrazor 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +52

    Excellent video, great to see 2D patent drawings translated into a working 3D model! Fascinating mechanism, awesomely communicated.

    • @TimmaethBoy
      @TimmaethBoy  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Appreciate the kind words. Glad you enjoyed it.

  • @SupernovaSpence
    @SupernovaSpence 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

    Dude, for how many viewers you have, I’m surprised at the quality of your work. Keep it up. You earned my subscriptions tonight

    • @TimmaethBoy
      @TimmaethBoy  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I love being able to showcase what I find fascinating to others. Thanks for the kind words.

  • @jeanquadvandamage9211
    @jeanquadvandamage9211 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

    Thank you for being curious enough about this technology to take the time to make a working model. The design is really clever and complex. I can only imagine how much time and effort you had to expend to get this far. You're the only person I've found who not only went through the process, but shared your results and explanation with the rest of the world. Fascinating stuff.

    • @TimmaethBoy
      @TimmaethBoy  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Glad you enjoyed the video.

  • @boredKiwi
    @boredKiwi 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    Thanks for explaining this design, something I was not aware of regarding this racing series. This seems to be a more sophisticated variation of the ball-selector gearboxes that were common many decades ago. My early '70s DKW 125cc (6-speed) and '55 Ducati Cucciolo moped (2-speed) both had this type.

    • @1crazypj
      @1crazypj 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      It seems to be a re-engineered over complicated version of the ball lock I first saw on a Yamaha 80 around 1968.
      I guess using free wheel pawls allows them to overcome patent infringement issues?
      That was a nightmare to set up as a per-teenager without a service manual, at least this looks a little simpler even if it does have a lot more parts to go wrong, no wonder they barely last one race.

    • @filippostube6533
      @filippostube6533 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      1964 hodaka

    • @boredKiwi
      @boredKiwi 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@filippostube6533 that's right! That fact was parked far in the back of my brain and needed a push.

  • @cptwingnut576
    @cptwingnut576 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    Excellent video. Really appreciate all the effort you have put in trying to explain a gearbox that the manufacturers would rather keep a secret.

    • @TimmaethBoy
      @TimmaethBoy  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it.

  • @ethanrichards3268
    @ethanrichards3268 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I just wanted to say that the camera work is way better than you give yourself credit for in the video. All of the mechanisms and how they worked were clear and easy to see. Further, I don’t know what’s more impressive, the design of the transmission and its nuances, or the fact you were able to concisely explain how it works in a 50 minute video. I swear this video is better designed and more informational than any college lecture I’ve been in

    • @TimmaethBoy
      @TimmaethBoy  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks for the kind words!

  • @davidemantovi6678
    @davidemantovi6678 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I remember back when this patent came out, trying to figure out how it was working, but as you said nobody really had any type of info, so everyone was just guessing. And now after 11 years you just explained perfectly 😊 I just don't know how to thank you Tommy. Amazing job!!! BRAVO 👏

  • @Neosho1337
    @Neosho1337 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    This is an incredible video, with a very clean and clear explanation on how the gearbox works and maintains seamless engagement. Such a clever set of engineering decisions from Honda, and you did a great job of adapting the designs to a 3d printed design while maintaining functionality.

    • @TimmaethBoy
      @TimmaethBoy  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it.

  • @LangstonPerformance24
    @LangstonPerformance24 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Amazing video! I was an engine builder for KTM USA motocross and know first hand that very few people @ the Factory in Austria have ever seen 1st hand the Seamless box and like everything in F1/MotoGP very $$$$

  • @michaelpayne6441
    @michaelpayne6441 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Wow! Fantastic job.
    As a professional gearbox designer I can honestly say you could do very well in this industry (if you aren't already!).
    Maybe like others have suggested, it might be worth contacting the manufacturers and gearbox specialist if working in this field is of interest to you.

    • @TimmaethBoy
      @TimmaethBoy  6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it. We'll see what the future holds.

  • @DMSparky
    @DMSparky 23 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Super neat. It has an old school beautiful analog mechanical elegance to it. You did a great job explaining it and building it with a 3d printer. If they have issues building them reliably with precision CNC metal parts the fact that you can get it to work just by looking at patent drawings with 3d prints is a testament to your skills and determination.

    • @TimmaethBoy
      @TimmaethBoy  23 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Thanks for the kind words.

  • @prathamesh4293
    @prathamesh4293 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Hats off to you man for making a 3d model from patents only and explaining so easily❤

  • @peterscott1899
    @peterscott1899 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    As I was watching this, I was thinking the same thing as one of the other commenters, wondering what was more genius, what Honda did in the first place (mindboggling) or what you did to bring this to life.
    A huge kudos to you, and thank you so much.
    For years I've wondered how they worked.

    • @TimmaethBoy
      @TimmaethBoy  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Appreciate the kind words. Glad you enjoyed it.

  • @RelentlessRage
    @RelentlessRage 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Really clever design, i imagine how smooth shifts would be with electronic throttle control (automatic rev matching). Thank you for covering it, all tho it was kinda time intensive, but still

    • @TimmaethBoy
      @TimmaethBoy  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Glad you enjoyed it.

    • @noral342
      @noral342 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Isn't that auto blip which is in many commercial bikes?

    • @TimmaethBoy
      @TimmaethBoy  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@noral342 Auto blipping, yes. This gearbox design, no.

    • @alesksander
      @alesksander 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      i think throttle control would defeat purpose of this system. Most clever thing about this design is that its gets naturally aligned.

    • @RelentlessRage
      @RelentlessRage 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@alesksander It will not defeat the purpose, just make it even better, because ECU now have to correct rpm much less

  • @sparty94
    @sparty94 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    very interesting, you did a great job of explaining this gearbox. your 3D printed model really helped me understand it.

    • @TimmaethBoy
      @TimmaethBoy  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it.

  • @vikramhao
    @vikramhao 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Very well done Sir! I am looking forward to seeing the final product

  • @Akintich
    @Akintich หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is really cool! Thank you for taking the time to not only reverse-engineer the gearbox, but sharing with us as well. It sort of reminds me of a selectable (and more fancy/complicated) version of a two speed RC gearbox. The selectors and having the lower gear keep driving until a higher gear is selected work very similar to this. In RCs the selection happens due to centrifugal force based on input shaft speed, the selectors for 2nd are weighted and spring tension is adjusted until they are pushed out (and the shift happens) at an appropriate RPM.

  • @TheQuantumPotato
    @TheQuantumPotato 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Incredibly impressive work putting this into a 3d model! There's an enormous gap between conceptually understanding something technical and actually being able to put it together, and people who only conceptually understand it and decide to stop there don't always realise how much they don't know.

    • @TimmaethBoy
      @TimmaethBoy  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Appreciate it.

  • @uackoz
    @uackoz 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    You’re great at explaining stuff, thanks for putting all that effort

    • @TimmaethBoy
      @TimmaethBoy  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You're very welcome.

  • @bigbaux4721
    @bigbaux4721 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I appreciate the effort it took to assemble a bunch of patent drawings into a working model. There's a lot of things being re-explained multiple times but it's a good presentation nonetheless.

  • @malcolmbennett9381
    @malcolmbennett9381 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    This gearbox looks very similar to the Lotus "queerbox" designed by Colin Chapman for his F1 cars in the early 1960's. It wasn't entirely successful, even though Keith Duckworth (of later Cosworth fame) was given the job of making it reliable without redesigning it. The shift mechanism was internal and sequential but not seamless as in this MotoGP gearbox.

  • @SuperGemma2010
    @SuperGemma2010 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    amazing demonstration, your a genius mate, its a complex version of a boat winch that uses pawls and springs, the pawls are the drive engagement levers, you couldn't have demonstrated this any better, I hope you are a teacher, love your work mate

    • @TimmaethBoy
      @TimmaethBoy  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Actually am one. :) Thanks for the comment.

  • @Nathan0A
    @Nathan0A 26 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Super impressed by your ability to get all these 3D printed parts actually working and sliding together without binding up, that must have taken a huge number of iterations! Really small contact area between those levers and the tabs on the gears themselves. I wonder if the countershaft gears had a tendency to deform into an elliptical shape under larger torques. I’d imagine there were some very bizarre failures and asymmetric wear patterns on the gear faces, although might not have had time to develop with such a short service life.

  • @KTMSAS-Duc1200S
    @KTMSAS-Duc1200S 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I can not imagine how much time you have spent on this but I have wanted to see how these work for some time. Thank you for all the time and effort you put into this. I thoroughly enjoyed it!!

    • @TimmaethBoy
      @TimmaethBoy  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      A lot more than I'm willing to admit. :) Thanks!

  • @NotEvents
    @NotEvents 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Great Video !
    I was "engaged" (ha-ha) for the whole time !
    The pace you presented it at... I was actually able to understand your explanation of how it works on the first time through ! 😀

    • @TimmaethBoy
      @TimmaethBoy  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Oh you punny.
      :) Glad you enjoyed it!

  • @Diederik240
    @Diederik240 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Waaw, i wondered for a long time how the manufacturers managed this, now it is crystal clear. This is a genius invention! Thanks for your informative content video Sir!

  • @GeneCash
    @GeneCash หลายเดือนก่อน

    That little design enhancement with the "yellow ring" to avoid partial engagement is *chef's kiss* - my hat's off to Honda. I like how the design doesn't constrain the number of gears. It's also more compact because you don't need space to move gears sideways.
    I hear they need to "replace pieces" after every race, but the design looks pretty robust. Nothing looks particularly susceptible to wear. You say it's pretty finicky... do you think it's just clearances falling out of spec? I'd hope it wouldn't be an obstacle to eventually mass producing it in 10-15 years for the average bloke on a CBR.

  • @alro2434
    @alro2434 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thanks, nice work! The sliding internal engagement has had a lotta variations for a lotta years, just less robust then this. My examples are 50's Zundapp & Vespa.

    • @TimmaethBoy
      @TimmaethBoy  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Interesting. Didn't know that was a thing on older model gearboxes.

  • @mk1cortinatony395
    @mk1cortinatony395 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Amazing video! I have worked with many transmission but never seen seamless stuff like this. Very clever engineering and VERY clever reverse engineering by you. 👍

  • @joshlewis5065
    @joshlewis5065 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Wow, that's really clever. Works exactly like a standard 6 pin cylinder lock. I love seeing old technology used in wildly different applications. Though this application is new, the mechanism is 230 years old

    • @formbi
      @formbi 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      a click out of one, two is binding…

    • @billynomates920
      @billynomates920 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@formbi click! we have selected the green ink barrel...

  • @akagodofheaven
    @akagodofheaven 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    This video deserves more love ! Great job ! Enjoyed every single minute and learned a lot
    Thank you very much !

    • @TimmaethBoy
      @TimmaethBoy  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Glad you enjoyed it!

  • @dougbawden4321
    @dougbawden4321 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Excellent video. That's some serious brains to design something like that..

  • @srinitaaigaura
    @srinitaaigaura 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I can't believe someone combined the mechanism of a multicolored ball point pen, a bicycle like freewheeling mechanism with a spring loaded set of levers mounted inside the gears to create this gearbox! This is the second generation seamless shift gearbox patented by Honda with no shift forks either as per their published paper. Only when I saw a working model of it do I finally get it how it is really done! Dang, engineering is cool!

  • @Africatwin93
    @Africatwin93 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Fantastic effort to explain something really special. Thanks a million

  • @chesthairascot3743
    @chesthairascot3743 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I worked on the quick shift systems from Muzzy's years ago. They cut the injectors to avoid backfiring. Other systems cut ignition though.

  • @fore4left365
    @fore4left365 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Dig the GN mod mat! Pretty amazing you got all of that from just patent filings...

  • @toxicnerveYT
    @toxicnerveYT 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Absolutely brilliant video, thank you for taking the time to produce this. Also shout out for the Gamer's Nexus desk mat! A man of taste, I see.

    • @TimmaethBoy
      @TimmaethBoy  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      You're very welcome.
      Nice catch on the mat. :)

  • @adamdunn7257
    @adamdunn7257 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Definitely would love to see some more follow ups to this. Subscribed.

  • @BeamRider100
    @BeamRider100 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I can tell they've got parts of the idea from other inventions too. Looks similar to a bicycle hub freewheel, but that only works in one direction and there's no shift.
    Thanks for showing the details as I was curious about this. It's definitely a lot more complex than the zero shift system which reduces components but is very similar to the usual synchronous gearbox.

  • @bobdehuisbaas1
    @bobdehuisbaas1 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Impressive you got such a complex design working from 3D printed parts

  • @keithbrown1363
    @keithbrown1363 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    1962 Capriolo did the same thing with balls being lifted into the gears by a flange on the shift shaft. Way simpler than the Honda system

    • @romualdaskuzborskis
      @romualdaskuzborskis 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Problems with balls is- they do it rigidly. The "ramp" allows ring to slip in place by itself for a split second.

    • @springford9511
      @springford9511 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      The reason for the duplicate pawls is so that there can be a ratchet. This allows two gears to be engaged at once without an explosion. There is literally NO interruption in the torque from the engine to the wheel. I made a relatively long post about it a minute ago. I hope it might not be complete rubbish 🙂

  • @vtcyclist
    @vtcyclist หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hodaka used a simpler version of the same on their bikes in the late 60's, early 70's. Counter shaft and main shaft gears were constantly engaged with each other. Individual gears were selected by a rod that ran through the shaft and pushed ball bearings out to engage a particular gear. It was the simplest transmission to work on, but Hodaka's implementation meant it had to be worked on more often. Nice video.

    • @GofioGP
      @GofioGP 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      This system not is new. Ducson Repriss, 49cc 1963 have the same desing and this engine (and gearbox) was a copy from the 49cc german engine.

  • @froat1
    @froat1 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    My brother had a 1962 or 3 Tohatsu 50 street bike that that had a similar system except it used a ball-bearing sphere instead of the dogs(?) that are used here.

    • @GofioGP
      @GofioGP 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Ducson Repriss, its a same. Copy from Zündap engine.

  • @TheINDIAN
    @TheINDIAN 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This was a brilliant video, u should see old F1 seamless gear box too it was a simple solution not as complex like this mechanism ,they used a double shifter barrel with internal parts exactly like a motorcycle gear box which has a single shifter barrel. And one barrel had odd and the other had even gears and both barrels were linked with each gear having a small angle offset i think 25⁰ .
    I think tractor trailer gear box were first to build quick gear change gear boxes.

  • @hans8377
    @hans8377 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

    well explained... the most credential thing at the end, how the loaded levers can be pulled out of the gear - still thinking about, if that really wouldn´t be possible to do with a classic gearbox setup...

  • @MattPym
    @MattPym 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This reminds me very much of the 2 and 3 Speed gearbox engagement mechanism used in many Nitro RC cars of the past. The biggest difference between being that the RC models used a "automatic" centrifugal engagement to shift gears instead of the shift rod mechanism.
    Interesting stuff

  • @Orionleo
    @Orionleo 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I found you to be good at describing what has always been to me something hard to understand -- clutches and gearboxes. (They seem so arcane and rudimentary for what one would consider 'modern technology' and is enlightening because modern technology is sometimes built on very very foundational tech, like gears and ratios."
    The camera not focusing was sometimes a little frustrating but thats not really your fault. I think you did a great job in describing something that is probably extremely complex.

  • @stefanguiton
    @stefanguiton 28 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Excellent work

    • @TimmaethBoy
      @TimmaethBoy  27 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Thank you.

  • @603mike
    @603mike 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Would be cool to post the STL files after you’re done just so some of us could have a model of our own. Awesome work!

  • @luddite6239
    @luddite6239 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Fascinating! A brilliant design, brilliant explanation and a brilliant 3d recreation! Thank you. I've been trying to understand how this works since they were first revealed, especially how the gears deal with the back torque of engine braking. The actual bearing surfaces seem quite narrow, considering the amount of power being transmitted. Now, if you could see inside the, (presumed), mass damper device in the Ducati tailpiece and explain that...! Subscribed on the basis of this - thanks.

    • @TimmaethBoy
      @TimmaethBoy  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Glad you enjoyed it.

  • @torstenpersson5629
    @torstenpersson5629 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Good video! Very good work with the 3D-print and explanation!

  • @Don_Dries
    @Don_Dries 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Damn, you did that all in one take... I'm trying a TH-cam video rn and just the intro took me a bazilion takes

  • @tintruder224
    @tintruder224 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Hodaka did something very similar back in the 1970s.
    Instead of pins driving levers, they used balls, which directly engaged detents on the inside diameter of the gears.

    • @schwerti94
      @schwerti94 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      German motorcycles already had this in the 50s. In German it is called "Ziehkeilgetriebe". It was used on a large scale, especially in small 50cc motorcycles of the brands Zündapp, Simson and Hercules from the 60s to the 80s.

    • @GofioGP
      @GofioGP 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@schwerti94Yes and the spanish brand Ducson in his model Repriss (1963) copy the Zundap engine. My father raced with one.

  • @jdsstegman
    @jdsstegman 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is how some multi grear rc car gears are made. But they are not "shifted" the purple "dogs" are spring loaded and when rpm overcomes the spring the dogs are alowed to move and engage a different gear.
    I have seen similar designs and there is always so much stress of the dogs that they shear or shear the teeth off the inside of the gear.
    Its a bad ass design. Hope it hold up well for them.

  • @thecolgatemann
    @thecolgatemann 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    great video, its sick to know how this top level technology works. Looking forward to next video! :)

  • @jackrhodes6811
    @jackrhodes6811 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That's awesome. Now add the driving gears and a hand crank to represent the engine. Also a sprocket to the "wheel" and you can make the whole process visible and potentially tangible to less technically minded people...just a thought. Amazing job thou, weldone!

  • @angelosilva342
    @angelosilva342 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I just gained 10iq points from watching this.
    Thank you so much. Excellent presentation!

  • @stevegreen2432
    @stevegreen2432 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Very well made and even better presentation and explanation. Very educational. Learnt a lot from this vieo.
    Thanks for sharing.

    • @TimmaethBoy
      @TimmaethBoy  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks. Glad you liked it.

  • @luke1rad
    @luke1rad 23 วันที่ผ่านมา

    So, the whole shift mechanism works similar to a pin lock cylinder. Very interested. Cam rod is the key, moving pins that are either engaged or not transferring motion

  • @GeneCash
    @GeneCash หลายเดือนก่อน

    Not only is this a great job of understanding the patent, another killer job printing it, but it's a terrific explanation of what's going on. Thanks. What did you use for the CAD? I'm an OpenSCAD guy myself. I have a Prusa MK3 and a MK4. I've been riding for about 35 years.

    • @TimmaethBoy
      @TimmaethBoy  หลายเดือนก่อน

      I use FreeCAD. Not the easiest thing to learn right off the bat compared to others, but it's community-driven and you actually own the software.

  • @mxcollin95
    @mxcollin95 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Genius gearbox design! I’ve been thinking forever there’s gotta be a better to switch gears rather than trying to slam gear engagement dogs into square edged holes at speed.

  • @blankprofile9327
    @blankprofile9327 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is just art

  • @MikeF1189
    @MikeF1189 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Ok so you did all this in 10 hours? Insane. I couldn't print 1 gear in 10 hours.

    • @TimmaethBoy
      @TimmaethBoy  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Ha I wish. Reverse engineering the papers took at least that long. The prints took exceptionally longer to do.

  • @JKJ360
    @JKJ360 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You earned my subscription with this video. Now how about a cvt transmission without a belt or chain!

    • @TimmaethBoy
      @TimmaethBoy  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's been done before. Look up Nissan Extroid CVT - very limited run back in the day.

  • @233kosta
    @233kosta 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The first iteration cut spark, yes. Those can go on any bike. They make that loud pop for that reason.
    Newer fuel-injected bikes (especially ones with factory quick shifters) will cut fuel. Because you don't want to be dumping raw unburnt fuel out of your exhaust if you can help it. That's less fun (no pop), but it works just as well.

  • @jh-tech5546
    @jh-tech5546 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great video! Perfect explanation. You did a great job. Thank you. Seamless gearbox mystery unraveled for me.

  • @LeakyWaders
    @LeakyWaders 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    My kind of nerd. Awesome video dude.

  • @rafaellastracom6411
    @rafaellastracom6411 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It is very interesting for sure. However, it is overly complex not to mention fragile is certain areas. A much cleaner solution would be to use a hollow shaft nested in a hollow shaft of a larger diameter and use ball bearings for the sequencing of various gears. In essence using the hollow shafts as bearing raceways to transfer power.

  • @Syscrush
    @Syscrush หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is super interesting - I've been curious about it for years. I'm still not clear on if it's possible for the levers/pawls to properly disengage if you upshift while engine braking, or downshift while accelerating.

  • @Mototardpaul
    @Mototardpaul หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is amazing work man

  • @goransolheim8772
    @goransolheim8772 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Dual clutch action with a single clutch very cool video

  • @ottonormalverbrauch3794
    @ottonormalverbrauch3794 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Looks like a sophisticated Zündapp 50 cc gearbox; all gears interlocked and one being locked into gear with a set of bearing balls pushed in place with a push-pull rod with a notch inside the axle. The balls acting as a lock for up and downshift.

  • @justRD1
    @justRD1 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    many times motorsports gearsets end up being 25* pressure angle instead of a standard 20* PA. Cool video!

    • @TimmaethBoy
      @TimmaethBoy  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thanks!

    • @paradiselost9946
      @paradiselost9946 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      shorter stumpier teeth with less interference, and the extra bearing loads are less of an issue than getting maxi strength/min weight from components...

  • @psychogiux2633
    @psychogiux2633 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Congratulations for your hard work and thank you for the explanation 🙏💪🏽😀

    • @TimmaethBoy
      @TimmaethBoy  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it.

  • @joshb3929
    @joshb3929 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Amazing walkthrough of what all together is a very complex system but broken down into very simple stages.
    When you compare this to something like a DSG, it’s brilliant in its simplicity.
    Any ideas on what parts seem like the bits that wear out quickly?
    Been rumours that Ducati have been developing a version for their top end road bikes for a while, to sell to customers.
    Can’t imagine we’ll see them until the longevity at least gets close to matching the service intervals of existing gearboxes.

    • @TimmaethBoy
      @TimmaethBoy  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      If I had to guess, the parts that would give Honda trouble are the cam rods and levers, but that's purely speculation on my part.
      I did check out the Ducati patent a while ago to see what they were doing; it's completely different from what Honda are doing at the moment. It'll be pretty cool to see it in public one day though.

    • @GamezGuru1
      @GamezGuru1 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      a DSG is infinitely simpler than this! Maybe from the outside, this gearbox looks 'simple', but only because the shifting mechanism is within the main shaft. This would be incredibly complex to machine, assemble and have work reliably, plus maintain it.

  • @jamest.5001
    @jamest.5001 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    12:46, it's like a one way bearing engagement, dis- engagement, per gear. I'm surprised this wasn't designed in the 40's or 50's. I have had a idea about using planetary gears in a manual gear box. It was all in my head, and been years, so a lot was lost. I can't recall exactly how I was thinking shifting would happen. But it wasn't traditional hydraulic. However it would be mechanical. Something similar to this . It would make a transmission say, in a car tiny compared to traditional. Something like a model T Ford transmission, only more modern and performance oriented. I was thinking about 8 ratios possibly more. With the ability to use a TCM/ECM together to change the gate pattern. To skip shift without noticing while shifting. Also other fear ratios would be possible, dependant on how the planetary was used, being two ratios possible per planetary. So a 6 or 8 speed could in theory be 12, or 16 speed and possibly more if multiple planetaries are engaged at once. Possibly a ultra low ratio using all, , and a inverted drive for overdrive ratios. It could use 4 planetaries for possibly 12+ gears basically use all for first (except the overdrive) the 3,2,1 and then use overdrive with each gear, splitting the ratio adding a gear. So that's 8 gears plus overdrive. Then the two ratios per planetary. 18 gears, then there is splitting gears , using all planetary gears in alternative ratio. Leaving who knows how many possible gear ratios! It in through could nearly operate as a cvt, with stepped gear ratios close enough the rpm can basically stay steady during acceleration. Using 38 ratios to allow smooth acceleration. It would require a computer to work out the ratio requirement for the given speed and tq requirement vs engine rpm. To select a shift gate with only the appropriate gears available . Also a similar gear box could be used with electric motors to make them more effective in vehicles. Using a couple planetaries .with overdrive making a small motor more capable. Allow a small very high rpm motor to move large vehicle, and still operate at highway speeds. The use of hydraulic power to shift isn't a bad idea. With electric motors a tq converter isn't required . I always wanted a manual clutch with a automatic transmission. Use the clutch for taking off, then shift gears hydraulically . The dampers in the clutch would get a workout. It should be more efficient. Fun to drive. Nothing beats at least 4 Speed manual transmissions tho. ,8speed would be cool. 5-6speed+2-3 overdrives. Or possibly a under drive sub 1st gear, not quite a 'granny gear, for hills and such making it easy on the clutch. Sorry to ramble, have a awesome day!! 🎉

  • @johnnym1320
    @johnnym1320 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Pretty cool that you built this just from patent drawings, I dont know if you are aware of this but in the motorcycle drag racing world we have been using what we can an over ride transmission for over 40 years, shifts with no power cut, but only for up shifts as we don't need down shifts in drag racing

  • @cogentdynamics
    @cogentdynamics 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Very nice job! I think of the Sachs ball-detent transmission on steroids. This design could be an electronic transmission. Super interesting. Thank you! I’m a new subscriber.

  • @mannycalavera121
    @mannycalavera121 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    A man after my own heart

  • @siberx4
    @siberx4 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The part about how the gear naturally stays engaged until the next gear relieves pressure on it (causing the previous gear to disengage fully) is brilliant; it reminds me of how lockpicking applies tension to a core by rotating it which allows the pins to bind up against the sides of the housing so that they remain in position despite no upwards pressure from a key.
    I don't really understand how this works in both directions though; it makes sense that shifting one way would relieve pressure by rotating faster than the previous gear, but in the reverse direction wouldn't the slower gear always lag and never engage? Is it because that gear effectively drives in "reverse" briefly (applying pressure to the deceleration levers) which ultimately has the same effect of briefly unloading the previous gear before resuming forward rotation?

    • @TimmaethBoy
      @TimmaethBoy  2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The simplest way of explaining it without showing it is when you downshift, you can think of the rear wheel becoming the "driver" of the gears instead of the engine, so everything works the same but in the reverse direction.

  • @satibel
    @satibel 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    also the spring for the ring (at 32 min) probably cushions the not-dogs slightly when they slam into the lever.

  • @halohat2286
    @halohat2286 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Has any MotoGP contacted you to become a team member? You're a badazz 💯

    • @TimmaethBoy
      @TimmaethBoy  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Haha afraid not. That would be cool though.

  • @stewartgunter9878
    @stewartgunter9878 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    You win the internet today, excerlent work

  • @xaytana
    @xaytana 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm curious if Honda, or any other team, ever experimented doing this with a centripetal clutch, instead of using cammed dogs. If they're already rebuilding these every race, why not explore other methods. So much complexity with the timing mechanism could be taken out by just changing to clutches, not to mention you could hypothetically push much more power through the clutch mechanism than you can with two pivoted dogs; essentially moving potential failure points from those diving pivots to at what point the clutches slip or what the teeth of the gear can handle. The same kind of selector would probably be used, a cam mech with previous gear retention, though given the radial nature of centripetal clutches it'd probably be simple to use a radial action on the selector. This would also be cool to adapt to a hydraulic system to replace the cam selector just a series of valves and pressure differences determining which clutch pack engages, imagine throwing this into a kart and just having shifter paddles; though this quickly becomes just one step away from just an automatic transmission.
    I almost want to see this scaled up for use as a sequential in a car. Surely reliability would go up with scale, beefier components and more room within the package to provide robustness.

  • @Iowa599
    @Iowa599 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Cutting injection is likely, for shifting on a GP bike. dumping fuel with no ignition has the potential of backfires & washing the bores.

    • @zr6ajl
      @zr6ajl 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The engine response to a fuel cut is far too slow to achieve the desired result, and the risk of engine damage is extremely high. It is far safer to use ignition cut even with the negligible risk of bore wash. Ignition cut used to be common, but modern ecu's now use ign retard. The engine only needs to lose a little power for a few milli seconds, it doesn't need to lose all the power.
      This gearbox design negates the need for any cut or retard. Power delivery is never lost even for a few milli seconds, so the bike will naturally be faster around a circuit only because of gear shifts.

  • @simonwernerisaksen
    @simonwernerisaksen หลายเดือนก่อน

    Fantastic video👍🏻

  • @LoudandProudBSE
    @LoudandProudBSE 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I feel like you could simplify this by using pneumatic activation and plumbing the gas through the shaft. Then you move an inner sleeve to port the gas to actuate pistons to actuate the levers

  • @brookwillard
    @brookwillard 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    What a great video, thanks for making it!

    • @TimmaethBoy
      @TimmaethBoy  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks!

  • @jimmimak
    @jimmimak 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks for sharing, it was interesting to learn how it works and it is an achievement to make this just from patent diagrams. I think the camera is trying to focus on your fancy desk mat instead of your amazing 3D printed model :) a plain background might help perhaps? I've got to be honest, I had to watch at 2x speed, as a design engineer I have seen free wheel pawls, cam rods, springs, levers, gears etc. before and I just wanted to know how it worked and what made this seamless vs a normal gearbox. I'm still not sure it's seamless really, but at least it minimises the seams.

    • @springford9511
      @springford9511 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      No idea if this will help and maybe you get this anyway. I think it is like this - On an upshift under acceleration it disengages the overrun pawls in the current gear then engages the drive pawls in the next. This allows the "old gear" drive pawls to ratchet backwards even as both gears are "engaged" together. So there is never any neutral period. There is drive in the lower gear then suddenly there is drive in the higher gear as the higher gear drive pawls pick up the load. Seems pretty seamless to me. The engine torque is always transmitted to the rear wheel, without ANY interruption. After that the remaining pawls are sorted out. They are not loaded so that is no problem. I am not sure if say upshifts are allowed on the overrun.
      Of course the engine RPM will have to adjust instantly, but these bikes have no flywheel and the ratios are pretty close so the seaminess from that might be quite small. On upshifts the engine will have to be slowed down by transmitting more torque to the rear wheel so a small jerk forwards.
      I haven't really got it all sorted out regarding downshifts 🙂🙂🙂 Or upshifts on the overrun, but that is hardly a racing maneuver. My guess is that Honda will have sorted all 4 cases out, but I am not sure. They will all be, disengage the unloaded pawls on the current gear, engage the new to be loaded pawls on the new loaded gear, then sort out the rest.
      Hope this is not gibberish:-)

  • @SevensWorld-up4xg
    @SevensWorld-up4xg หลายเดือนก่อน

    Interestingly enough, it would make more sense if the 'tail pins' on the purple engagement levers were intended to prevent accidental vibration- or centrifugal-based *reverse engagement* with the transmission gear. And what I am suggesting by that is their extension, into the window of the yellow annular ring, would prevent them from accidentally interfering with the free rotation of the unselected transmission gear, as the lever passed through the region wherein such a compromise of function might occur.
    Do you see it now?

  • @GeryS.
    @GeryS. หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thanks for the effort! Great reverse engineering!

  • @KimmyR3
    @KimmyR3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    so... it's essentially a common bike sprocket (multiple), but with an internal mechanism to individually control the 'sprocket' pawls.

  • @dhushyanth-qh9qy
    @dhushyanth-qh9qy 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It's really amazing and perfect explanation dude congrats

  • @kimandreebrustad194
    @kimandreebrustad194 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This is almost like the old Zundap gearboxes ☺️

  • @landlocked4771
    @landlocked4771 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You do this so well, I subscribed as well. Well done. What type of printers do you use. That center tube with grooves inside must have been difficult. I see you also watch Gamers Nexus, deskpad gave it away. Thanks again for you work and video time.

    • @TimmaethBoy
      @TimmaethBoy  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks.
      I use an older Prusa i3 MK2.5s, but still works very well.

  • @ARBB1
    @ARBB1 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    This is a fantastic little video! I'm part of a superbike building student team, do you think if it's feasible that we could make one of those? Thanks!

    • @TimmaethBoy
      @TimmaethBoy  9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      A real-world working version? Anything's possible, but it depends on how much time, money, and effort the team wanted to do something like that.

    • @ARBB1
      @ARBB1 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@TimmaethBoy Yeah, so in our case we have a 2 year design cycle, and I suppose we'd plan to do something like this only in the next project, so there'd be 4 years!
      As to money, I suppose machining a lot of these pieces would be expensive, but we could make do. At least I'm very interested in seeing if we could pull it off 😊

  • @pseka_f5557
    @pseka_f5557 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I just want to say that you’ve done an amazing job reverse engineering and explaining it! I still have a couple questions since I want to design a working version. How does the shaft/gears look on the end to the sprocket? Would it be all gears already connected to the seamless shaft? And I was wondering, with high torque won’t the levers get stuck in engaged mode?

    • @TimmaethBoy
      @TimmaethBoy  หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      The sprocket just splines on the end of the shaft - it's not shown on this print.
      The amount of torque doesn't matter in this design; the pawl levers will still disengage between the gear changes. The only limiting factor is how much torque the components can handle before failure.