An airborne contaminant can cause irritation/incapacitation/death faster than an individual has the capacity to assess the danger. The lungs are naturally highly connected to the blood circulation, and it takes just a couple of seconds for that blood to enter the brain. I wish that pilots nowadays are trained for at least one them to don the oxygen mask as a precautionary measure, until it is clear that what was there was just an unpleasant smell.
Excellent video, one thing I'd like to add is many things that are toxic gases have no smell whatsoever so if you do smell something and it's making you unwell you better damn reach for the oxygen asap as mentioned in the video
@davidjma7226 They certainly take their kangaroo logo literally. A couple of Qantas landings I've experienced have felt like we were bouncing down the runway, lol!
With the lost cost of modern solid state air quality sensors I would think it wouldn’t be difficult to install them in the cabin and cockpit. Probably since this is still a rare event it’s a cost/benefit thing.
Going to guess that, unless they strip the entire cabin air syatem, from the engines, the air bleed points, the valving and piping there, and all the associated plumbing, they will not find a cause. Most likely engine anti icing has either gotten contaminants in it, or has gotten filled with cleaning chemicals , or has a leak into it from the hydraulic system ,and the contaminated fluid is being bled into the engine, and thus into the cabin air bleed, where it then gets distributed. Probably ground test was with APU only, or with ground power connection, and the AC system worked perfectly. Should have pulled and sealed all the filters in the system immediately after landing, placed in heavy puncture resistant and hermetically sealed bags, and sent them to be analysed with a gas chromatagraph to see what residues are in there, and at what levels, as that would put a rough location as to the cause, and what is the pollutant. But likely never done, and those filters also likely to have been washed a good few times already, which could also be a source of the contaminants, with wet cleansing solution hitting a hot evaporator section or heater, and being decomposed.
I’ve been through this process quite a few times as an A&P mechanic. Basically tear apart the entire bleed system until you find what’s causing the odor event. In my experience it’s often oil from the APU and/or engines that finds its way into the packs. Specifically, It’s been a big problem for Airbus A320’s equipped with Honeywell APU’s.
@@Beensash depends what you understand under “a lot”. Multiple times a year is a lot to me. You can find many events of this type that in publicly available sources, like avherald. We don’t know how many events remain unreported - passengers usually ignore them as long as they make it to the connecting flights. And civil aviation authorities usually don’t open investigations, even when crew members pass a few days after such events.
Hearing the beginning of that I'm like "HOLY SHIT!". All commercial planes need 3rd party control/auto land and airports need to be capable of bringing in auto land flights. I think I've had about enough of these f'd up situations where pilots lose their shit (most incidents).
I'm not a pilot, but i am an aviation geek and simulator experienced. The moment i started making the connection of the oder, then the blurred vision and the other syptoms at the beginning of the video... bang, oxygen mask, first priority (Obviously it's in the video title that it was a fumes problem)
Yes, it is best for pilots to don the masks as soon as they smell something different than just normal air, as someone else has already thoughtfully pointed out that once the smell is perceived, the exchange process in the lungs has already occurred to where the noxious chemical has already entered the body via exchange in the lungs. I was completely unaware this was even a "thing." It does seem to me that since the description of the smell (chlorine-like) would give a good indication as to where to look in the jet as to the origin of the smell...but I guess not?
After watching the entire video I have some thoughts, 1 oxygen mask, yes good idea. However to me there is a problem with that, in general with hypoxia if you don't recognize the problem quickly you end up confused and disoriented to the point of death, fumes sound like the same problem it is concerning that you could end up disoriented trying to put on an oxygen mask the disorientation is often an inhibitor to the idea of realizing the need for oxygen. 2 with such an old plane im curious as to the matmence of the O2 system if i remember most aircraft use a chemical reaction to create O2 for the pilots i feel like there may be problems with the O2 system as well that may make the situation worse. 3 we would also be assuming that the use of O2 would reverse the effects of the "fume" incident this may not be true as the chemical may have other binders to cells in the body, 4 the fact that the smell disappeared for 30 seconds before the onset of disorientation is concerning, normally a "chlorine" smell would be a sign for a lot of other jobs that the situation is not safe, however pilots may just feel that the cleaning of the aircraft got goofed a little 5 the fact that none of the passengers suffered anything may leave pilots / flight crew 2nd guessing themselves, and finally if the flight crew that was not in the cockpit suffered smell and disorientation first if they relayed that to the flight deck would be a first priority for O2 as its a known problem, with a known effect, it is my opinion in this case the fo made the right decision in this case, one question does the flight deck have confined space air monitoring equipment, after nine-elevin i would not be surprised if they started making flight decks air tight with positive pressurizatin, sorry for long and spl format errors
There have been many reports about cabin air quality events following the boarding of passengers who ate at Taco Bell. Some of these have been hazardous.
I know it is easy to be smart "after the battle had happened and play generals" but if i see my captain being hazy and disabled I would grab that oxygen mask instantly.
I experienced somethng - Twice! - that I've never experienced before or since. This was the 90's and Malmö Aviation flights between Malmö Sturup and Stockholm Bromma. The plane, probably the same plane both of the times, a Fokker F28. But as soon as we got up I experienced the worst headache I have ever experienced, and the worst pain I have ever experienced. It felt like a thousand needles were penetrating my brain from inside my head, like they were on their way out from my head through the eyes. A paralysising massive pain non stop for the entire flight. I thought I was going to die, i have no idea why I didn't just scream out loud for the entire trip. It was the worst pain in my life. Down on the ground I asked for help, but the pain had gone away as soon as we landed, and the only thing they could do was give me an aspirin. The funny thing is I experienced the exact same thing once again with a later flight with the same company, because narurally I thought my first experience was some kind of freak one time event. But it happened to me twice, and I have no idea what was the cause of it? There's been nothing written of other people having experienced something similar, so it's always been a mystery to me. But I'm leaning towards some kind of fume event? Perhaps gas fumes contaminating the air circulation? Something with the pressurized cabin? Or perhaps some sort of loss of oxygene? As oxygene is one of the treatments for Hortons. But what I experienced is called a cluster headache or "Horton's Headache". en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cluster_headache
I'd need to go find it, but there was something similar as far back as the 90s, in that case it was to do with chemicals that got into the air conditioning system and was part of a feature on organophosphates, and then you have (a full length documentary on it as well. This sort of thing is a known issue apparently in aviation but as shown, there's always room for change
Hate to be that guy, but the video is filled with so much filler and generic statements, it makes it frustrating to listen to. Can we get to the point?
I’m toward the end and it’s starting to feel like an essay that needed to hit a word count. 3 greens is normally a great channel but i haven’t got a clue if he said what the source of the fume was
when i first saw the thumbnail i thought this was about scientology. i am willing to bet qantas pilots or any other airline pilots were white hats while flying an airplane. i bet that thumbnail really originated at a scientology website.
Your video content, quality, story-telling and research are all excellent however your affected delivery of the narration is really distracting. Please try to use a more neutral speech pattern which would allow us to focus more on your excellent content and less on the weird way you accentuate words inappropriately.
*I can tell you exactly what caused all of these air quality and fume events. It has now become mainstream knowledge that chemicals are being dispersed into the air in order to control or manipulate the weather. Airliners draw their air from outside the airplane. When they fly through a chemical dispersion area these chemicals are brought into the aircraft and consequently, inhaled by the crew and passengers on the plane. The thing that hasn't been revealed to the public yet, are the health dangers associated with these chemical dispersions.
@@MDE_never_dies chemtrails are just a word that's been dumbed down for the masses. Chances are you're just lying to us but in case you're not lying to us please explain Who do you work for and what type of aircraft do you fly?
@@charadremur333 people say it's a conspiracy but cloud seeding is a real thing and isn't hidden by the governments who do it. A quick search will show you.
An airborne contaminant can cause irritation/incapacitation/death faster than an individual has the capacity to assess the danger. The lungs are naturally highly connected to the blood circulation, and it takes just a couple of seconds for that blood to enter the brain. I wish that pilots nowadays are trained for at least one them to don the oxygen mask as a precautionary measure, until it is clear that what was there was just an unpleasant smell.
Next video: Someone farts in the cockpit. They declare Pan Pan and run for the oxygen. LOL
Excellent video, one thing I'd like to add is many things that are toxic gases have no smell whatsoever so if you do smell something and it's making you unwell you better damn reach for the oxygen asap as mentioned in the video
I appreciate you pointing out unnecessary holes in the safety system, even when no one got hurt.
My favorite keepsake is a Qantas lanyard. I got it in 2005, I still use it 19 years later.
My favourite keepsake is a lifetime Qantas Club membership card. For the amount of times I placed my life in their hands.......
@davidjma7226 They certainly take their kangaroo logo literally. A couple of Qantas landings I've experienced have felt like we were bouncing down the runway, lol!
With the lost cost of modern solid state air quality sensors I would think it wouldn’t be difficult to install them in the cabin and cockpit.
Probably since this is still a rare event it’s a cost/benefit thing.
A checklist to help people who might be under the effects of the event would be cheap.
Going to guess that, unless they strip the entire cabin air syatem, from the engines, the air bleed points, the valving and piping there, and all the associated plumbing, they will not find a cause. Most likely engine anti icing has either gotten contaminants in it, or has gotten filled with cleaning chemicals , or has a leak into it from the hydraulic system ,and the contaminated fluid is being bled into the engine, and thus into the cabin air bleed, where it then gets distributed. Probably ground test was with APU only, or with ground power connection, and the AC system worked perfectly. Should have pulled and sealed all the filters in the system immediately after landing, placed in heavy puncture resistant and hermetically sealed bags, and sent them to be analysed with a gas chromatagraph to see what residues are in there, and at what levels, as that would put a rough location as to the cause, and what is the pollutant. But likely never done, and those filters also likely to have been washed a good few times already, which could also be a source of the contaminants, with wet cleansing solution hitting a hot evaporator section or heater, and being decomposed.
Great breakdown.
Oops wrong choice of words..
I’ve been through this process quite a few times as an A&P mechanic. Basically tear apart the entire bleed system until you find what’s causing the odor event. In my experience it’s often oil from the APU and/or engines that finds its way into the packs. Specifically, It’s been a big problem for Airbus A320’s equipped with Honeywell APU’s.
Are Fumes events ever practiced in flight simulator training?
It's actually pretty scary and dangerous. Luckily, it doesn't happen more often.
Happens a lot actually.
@@BobbyGeneric145 Where one pilot is basically incapacitated in flight? No. That doesn't happen a lot.
@@Beensash depends what you understand under “a lot”. Multiple times a year is a lot to me. You can find many events of this type that in publicly available sources, like avherald. We don’t know how many events remain unreported - passengers usually ignore them as long as they make it to the connecting flights. And civil aviation authorities usually don’t open investigations, even when crew members pass a few days after such events.
@@andrzejostrowski5579 where people merely smell something vs becoming incapacitated requiring medical assistance are two very different things
@@Beensash That’s exactly what I am talking about. Events where a crew member becomes incapacitated in flight happen a few times a year.
Hearing the beginning of that I'm like "HOLY SHIT!".
All commercial planes need 3rd party control/auto land and airports need to be capable of bringing in auto land flights. I think I've had about enough of these f'd up situations where pilots lose their shit (most incidents).
I'm not a pilot, but i am an aviation geek and simulator experienced. The moment i started making the connection of the oder, then the blurred vision and the other syptoms at the beginning of the video... bang, oxygen mask, first priority (Obviously it's in the video title that it was a fumes problem)
Its easy to underestimate mental impairment
Yes, it is best for pilots to don the masks as soon as they smell something different than just normal air, as someone else has already thoughtfully pointed out that once the smell is perceived, the exchange process in the lungs has already occurred to where the noxious chemical has already entered the body via exchange in the lungs. I was completely unaware this was even a "thing." It does seem to me that since the description of the smell (chlorine-like) would give a good indication as to where to look in the jet as to the origin of the smell...but I guess not?
Fascinating video my friend keep up the good work
After watching the entire video I have some thoughts, 1 oxygen mask, yes good idea. However to me there is a problem with that, in general with hypoxia if you don't recognize the problem quickly you end up confused and disoriented to the point of death, fumes sound like the same problem it is concerning that you could end up disoriented trying to put on an oxygen mask the disorientation is often an inhibitor to the idea of realizing the need for oxygen. 2 with such an old plane im curious as to the matmence of the O2 system if i remember most aircraft use a chemical reaction to create O2 for the pilots i feel like there may be problems with the O2 system as well that may make the situation worse. 3 we would also be assuming that the use of O2 would reverse the effects of the "fume" incident this may not be true as the chemical may have other binders to cells in the body, 4 the fact that the smell disappeared for 30 seconds before the onset of disorientation is concerning, normally a "chlorine" smell would be a sign for a lot of other jobs that the situation is not safe, however pilots may just feel that the cleaning of the aircraft got goofed a little 5 the fact that none of the passengers suffered anything may leave pilots / flight crew 2nd guessing themselves, and finally if the flight crew that was not in the cockpit suffered smell and disorientation first if they relayed that to the flight deck would be a first priority for O2 as its a known problem, with a known effect, it is my opinion in this case the fo made the right decision in this case, one question does the flight deck have confined space air monitoring equipment, after nine-elevin i would not be surprised if they started making flight decks air tight with positive pressurizatin, sorry for long and spl format errors
There have been many reports about cabin air quality events following the boarding of passengers who ate at Taco Bell. Some of these have been hazardous.
I’m picking it’s apples. Rotten stinky apples. With worms in them. This is why Tasmania bans you bringing fruit.
Fruit fly
I know it is easy to be smart "after the battle had happened and play generals" but if i see my captain being hazy and disabled I would grab that oxygen mask instantly.
Y don't we hear about this stuff on the news???
I experienced somethng - Twice! - that I've never experienced before or since. This was the 90's and Malmö Aviation flights between Malmö Sturup and Stockholm Bromma. The plane, probably the same plane both of the times, a Fokker F28.
But as soon as we got up I experienced the worst headache I have ever experienced, and the worst pain I have ever experienced. It felt like a thousand needles were penetrating my brain from inside my head, like they were on their way out from my head through the eyes. A paralysising massive pain non stop for the entire flight. I thought I was going to die, i have no idea why I didn't just scream out loud for the entire trip. It was the worst pain in my life.
Down on the ground I asked for help, but the pain had gone away as soon as we landed, and the only thing they could do was give me an aspirin.
The funny thing is I experienced the exact same thing once again with a later flight with the same company, because narurally I thought my first experience was some kind of freak one time event. But it happened to me twice, and I have no idea what was the cause of it?
There's been nothing written of other people having experienced something similar, so it's always been a mystery to me. But I'm leaning towards some kind of fume event? Perhaps gas fumes contaminating the air circulation? Something with the pressurized cabin? Or perhaps some sort of loss of oxygene? As oxygene is one of the treatments for Hortons.
But what I experienced is called a cluster headache or "Horton's Headache".
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cluster_headache
I've flown on QF1541, although not on that day
Please keep making videos thanks!
Please stop saying June like that 😭
Interesting, thanks!
Wait… Hobart Airport is an International one??? Where do they receive international flights from?? 🤔
At that relatively low altitude, why is there not a provision to "open the windows"? (Though it would make things very noisy.)
I'd need to go find it, but there was something similar as far back as the 90s, in that case it was to do with chemicals that got into the air conditioning system and was part of a feature on organophosphates, and then you have (a full length documentary on it as well. This sort of thing is a known issue apparently in aviation but as shown, there's always room for change
You got it
Found it, look up Fact not Fiction films, but also the other side of the debate about how bad fume events are too though
Did they actually find the source of the smell?
Seriously. I just farted. Twice, actually. The very next video that gets recommended to me... This one. Fume Events. Trippy.
Fr I farted once, tapped my feet then viciously shit my pants in front of everyone, then suddenly this video started playing.
Babe, wake up. 3 Greens posted a new video.
Hate to be that guy, but the video is filled with so much filler and generic statements, it makes it frustrating to listen to. Can we get to the point?
I’m toward the end and it’s starting to feel like an essay that needed to hit a word count. 3 greens is normally a great channel but i haven’t got a clue if he said what the source of the fume was
The repeated landing sequence was unnecessary. This could have been a ten minute video. (a pity, as 3 greens videos are useful and interesting)
when i first saw the thumbnail i thought this was about scientology. i am willing to bet qantas pilots or any other airline pilots were white hats while flying an airplane. i bet that thumbnail really originated at a scientology website.
Life is full of trade offs. Need to fly go for it. Afraid of airborne contaminants don't fly.
Can't watch whole thing. Background music too much for me.
I wonder if this is in part due to the age of the Boeing 717?
Your video content, quality, story-telling and research are all excellent however your affected delivery of the narration is really distracting. Please try to use a more neutral speech pattern which would allow us to focus more on your excellent content and less on the weird way you accentuate words inappropriately.
INCORECT PLANE
Incorrect spelling. Correct plane.
@@av_oid that an md-80 used
Great video but can the 💩 AI voice , spoils the content
*I can tell you exactly what caused all of these air quality and fume events. It has now become mainstream knowledge that chemicals are being dispersed into the air in order to control or manipulate the weather. Airliners draw their air from outside the airplane. When they fly through a chemical dispersion area these chemicals are brought into the aircraft and consequently, inhaled by the crew and passengers on the plane. The thing that hasn't been revealed to the public yet, are the health dangers associated with these chemical dispersions.
So you're saying it's not SBD farts ?
Oh boy, don't let him just get away with this boys! Lmao, I hope this is satire
As a Chemtrail Dispersal Pilot I can confirm this
@@MDE_never_dies chemtrails are just a word that's been dumbed down for the masses. Chances are you're just lying to us but in case you're not lying to us please explain Who do you work for and what type of aircraft do you fly?
@@charadremur333 people say it's a conspiracy but cloud seeding is a real thing and isn't hidden by the governments who do it. A quick search will show you.
Great video
Green dot is the best of all of these types of channels..